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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:09 PM
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Pentagon rethinking value of major counterinsurgencies
Source: McClatchy

Pentagon rethinking value of major counterinsurgencies
By Nancy A. Youssef | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Nearly a decade after the United States began to focus its military training and equipment purchases almost exclusively on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. military strategists are quietly shifting gears, saying that large-scale counterinsurgency efforts cost too much and last too long.

The domestic economic crisis and the Obama administration's commitment to withdraw from Iraq and begin drawing down in Afghanistan next year are factors in the change. The biggest spur, however, is a growing recognition that large-scale counterinsurgency battles have high casualty rates for troops and civilians, eat up equipment that must be replaced and rarely end in clear victory or defeat.

In addition, military thinkers say such wars have put the U.S.'s technologically advanced ground forces on the defensive while less sophisticated insurgent forces are able to remain on the offensive.

Counterinsurgency "is a good way to get out of a situation gone bad," but it's not the best way to use combat forces, said Andrew Exum, a fellow with the Washington-based Center for a New American Security. "I think everyone realizes counterinsurgency is a losing proposition for U.S. combat troops. I can't imagine anyone would opt for this option."





Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/12/94058/pentagon-rethinking-value-of-major.html#ixzz0npXURiyu
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:15 PM
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1. I agree with this--counterinsurgency is not worth it in the long run.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:15 PM
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2. Great! If we don't provide them with *battlefield disneylands* the may just turn
their killer drones against the US Citizenry? :scared: :(

These planes (drones) are already patrolling our southern border. How much longer before they use these vile entities over our cities?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:16 PM
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3. Yes, we should definitely do cheap wars that improve the image of the empire
These longlasting bitter pills aren't good for the image of the world's mightiest military. But, only tens of millions of us tried to tell the US not to do it, there obviously wasn't enough warning.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:27 PM
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4. We've been saying this forever.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:45 PM
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5. those are f**kers who lobbied for Bush and his wars
Edited on Thu May-13-10 12:46 PM by Kolesar
They were too blind to see that Bush was incompetent to run foreign policy or wars, but they voted for him anyway.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:01 PM
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6. the US isn't going to END attacking countries and trying to massacre resistances
and civilians "harboring" them; it's just gonna restrategize! that's the ticket! "do we get to win the war this time?" won't be seared into our generals' minds as they toss and turn in bed, thinking over Vietnam, Laos, Algeria, Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Madagascar, Ireland, Andorra, Long Island ...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:03 PM
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7. brutish thuggery doesnt work eh?? no shit, you idjits.
Edited on Thu May-13-10 01:03 PM by Mari333
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:39 PM
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8. If we conducted ourselves properly outside of our borders...
...we wouldn't have to have prolonged conflicts of ANY type! Our founding fathers would be hanging their heads in shame for what we've done with their grand experiment.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:43 PM
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9. This is very positive k*r
That eliminates about all of our foreign adventures since they always involve insurgencies and our need to counter them. Keep thinking this through Pentagon, you're doing great!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:43 PM
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10. The last "counterinsurgency" war/occupation that the US "WON"..
..was the war against the Native Americans.

To WIN a "Counterinsurgency", you must be willing to exterminate (genocide) the native population, and occupy their homeland permanently.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:32 PM
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11. "Dead battles, like dead generals, hold the military mind in their dead grip."
Edited on Thu May-13-10 03:36 PM by bemildred
-- Barbara M. Tuchman

A definite "No Shit, Sherlock!" award.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:36 PM
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12. Tomorrow: Pentagon discovers gravity.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:47 PM
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13. You can only invade Grenada so many times
So, maybe invade some uninhabited island for a few weeks every year (an arctic island one year, a coral atoll the next). Do some explosions, declare victory, then demand another trillion from Congress.

Everyone's happy (except the taxpayer).
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:38 PM
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14. US dumbass military learned this lesson in Vietnam and promptly forgot it nt
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 01:49 AM
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15. Presumably we file this under "NO SHIT, Sherlock"? n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 05:56 AM
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16. k/r
duh
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