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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:16 AM Original message |
Economic Woes Threaten Chavez's Socialist Vision |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. "Guerra, the former Central Bank economist, says the govt must...drop the statist socialist model" |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. What's wrong with adopting a European socialist model? |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Nothing at all.....I'm just questioning Mr. Guerra's motives. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Can you questions the facts? |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. So a capitalist economy that almost entered a depression because of Big Bank hijinks.... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Yet Venezuela still lags all those economies. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. We owe our (weak) recovery almost solely to a state run economy. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
121. Uh...China hasn't had a command economy for some time. nt |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. He doesn't want to run "a modern economy" |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
58. I would settle for jobs, low inflation |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
111. Sorry, dad, but this isn't sustainable |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 01:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
122. Capitalism has always failed - all capitalist economies are also... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Venezuela is the only SA economy predicted to shrink in 2010. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. In logic, we call this argument a "False Dilemma" |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
114. Indeed |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. Chavez's economic policies do not resemble those of Norway and Sweden |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
3. Economic Woes Threaten Capitalists' Vision |
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Lost4words (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. the only place democracy has a chance at all is South America |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. You're kidding!? |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The Central Bank and the World Bank are just pissed off |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. So the possibility that they simply have no clue how to run an economy |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. With so many Euro countries on the edge of bankruptcy |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. But we don't have to look at the US or Europe to see how bad things are in Venezuela |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. The only people saying things are bad in Venezuela |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Look at the central bank of Venezuela inflation reports |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Save your breath |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. When the choice is |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
90. delete |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. That added absolutely nothing to this discussion. |
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Lost4words (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
102. Introducing Milton Friedman!!!! |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. The Central Bank inflation is due to well-off Venezuelans speculating in dollars |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Except your link doesn't say that |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
115. Interesting misunderstanding |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
64. what a load of bs /nt |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
89. Things are going bad in Venezuela right now |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
118. Things are bad in Venezuela |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
46. "sick man" metaphors. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Call it what you want - they lag their neighbors significantly |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
73. Oh for fuck's sake, Venezuela's economy is NOT centrally run, where do you come up with... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. More than there are in North America... (n/t) |
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Lost4words (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
77. the question is how many developing democracies are there in SA |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #77 |
94. In the rightist version of history, |
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Lost4words (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. so you agree with me then,.... |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. I definitely agree. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
104. If they are aware of the truth they can't maintain their political positions! Sad. n/t |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
113. Let me think.... |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
112. LOL |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
86. +1000. |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
88. Which Central Bank are you talking about? nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 02:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
124. +1 nt |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. Tick, tock... nt |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
7. At least they have a socialist vision, we have an advanced oligarchy. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Sure - but lets emulate countries like Sweden or Norway |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Of course, my point I'm sure you know, is that we are in a mess, such |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
8. Socialism can never work. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. uh huh |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Basically correct... |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. And the poor will feel it first, in a big way. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. +1 |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. It's human "nature" to be in community |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
52. +1 n/t |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Capitalism can never work |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #36 |
66. "basic human nature of cooperation? |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Thanks for repeating your original oversimplifications |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #68 |
82. There's only so many ways to say the truth. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Socialism is fairly recent? |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #69 |
83. I'm not debating the merits of capitolism. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
100. Quite right, better not to attempt it. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. You need to study history. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. LOL. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I don't believe in deities. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. If that were true, humans would have went extinct millenia ago... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:25 AM Response to Reply #66 |
78. "It requires an authority to keep the people's desires in check." - & capitalism doesn't? |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. I don't know. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #84 |
95. well, that explains everything. desire to give everything away = desire to keep everything |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Unable to parse. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #66 |
103. People that squawk that bullshit |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. I've come to the conclusion. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. Every society "requires an enforcer to hold people's desires in check." |
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murdoch (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
40. I desire the new Porsche I see in the showroom window |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
43. Ooooooooooooooh so deep. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
67. that's not what I'm saying at all. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:12 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Well, humans have been around far longer than recorded history. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. Nice lack of evidence you have to present. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #85 |
109. Funny. I guess Native Americans didn't live in tribes and pool resources. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #67 |
79. no, it takes more than one. because people will kill or ostracise just one psycho, |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
96. Oh, just stop it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
87. LOL |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
25. Yawn. nt |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Don't think the people of Venezuela are yawning as they sit hungry in the dark. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. You sure don't know shit about Venezuela, do you...(n/t) |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. I suspect I know just as much as you do - perhaps more. nt |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
65. Enjoy your self-referential worldview, while it lasts. nt |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
32. Gee, ya think? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
33. Too bad our economic woes haven't put our monopolist vision in jeopardy |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. "I wondre if Venezuela's version of NPR".... |
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elias49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. What?? No CNN in Venezuela? nt |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. CNN can totally run. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:28 AM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Never heard of that as far as I now "El Presidente" is only run on the ONE... |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
91. Pro-govt publicities are mandatory in Venezuelan TVs |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. Thank you for the correction. nt |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #91 |
117. Not pro-government, but independent, I wish people would understand the difference.. |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #117 |
125. Sorry, not independent productions but mandatory publicities made by Ministry of Information |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. So how is that different from ours? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. They aren't required. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:59 AM Response to Reply #49 |
75. Prove it. n/t |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. Chavez has a staff of 200 people just to manage his Twitter account. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. How many does Obama have? Putin? |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
119. For all media, Obama officially has 60, but probably more like 300 unofficially. |
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murdoch (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
39. The only country in the world having economic problems is Venezuela |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. The World Bank is concerned |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. Socialism is only bad when it benefits the little people.. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Nothing is more hilarious to me... |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
42. Ah, here we go. |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
53. hang in there, Hugo.... |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
70. Well they did better than the UK, Germany, Japan, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Italy |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #70 |
92. Their inflation will soon top 30 percent |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
116. Everyone's economies are predicted to shrink this year... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. No - the global forecast is 9 percent growth |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
71. My question is why the hell they keep on talking about private enterprise being hammered... |
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ellie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
80. I saw this headline |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #80 |
93. Of course - for many routine is very important ! |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
81. NPR is the FOX news for people who think they are too smart for FOX news. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #81 |
99. Beautiful line, one to remember, certainly! "NPR if UR 2 smart 4 Fox" |
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Kringle (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
123. 7.7 Bolivars to the dollar .nt |
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