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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:34 PM
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Nebraska To Consider Immigration Law Similar To Arizona
Source: WOWT

The uproar over a new, immigration-related law in Arizona could resound in Nebraska next year.

State Senator Charlie Janssen of Fremont says he plans to introduce a similar bill in the Nebraska Legislature the next session, which
begins in January.

Arizona's bill requires police enforcing another law to verify a person's immigration status if there's "reasonable" suspicion the person is in the U.S. illegally.

Supporters say it's a fair way to curb illegal immigration, while opponents say it will cause racial profiling.

Janssen has already drafted a Nebraska bill, but he says it could be changed based on experiences Arizona has with its new law.
He says crafting such a law so it can be enforced without racial profiling is one of the biggest hurdles.



Read more: http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/94155339.html
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:37 PM
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1. Nebraska has maybe all of two Hispanics?
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:39 PM
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2. Quite a few. PLENTY of meat packing plants.
Edited on Tue May-18-10 12:40 PM by joeglow3
About 8-10% of the population.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:47 PM
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4. Then the capitalists will oppose this bill
They love nothing more than cheap labor with no benefits.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:33 PM
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17. People who believe in social justice will oppose this bill.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:09 AM
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29. Social justice is attempting to put American citizens back to work, NOT
Edited on Wed May-19-10 10:27 AM by humblebum
shipping jobs out of the country and bringing foreign workers in to take what jobs remain. Reversing that trend IS social justice.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:48 PM
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5. 8% is still small.
Utah is 12% and I think that is pretty low considering our location.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:30 PM
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15. I can hardly wait to see all those WHITE people lining up...
for jobs slaughtering and gutting animals.

Hmm...if white America was REALLY wanting those jobs, why
weren't they lining up hundreds deep, applying for them?
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 09:42 PM
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26. they did when they were union jobs
amazing how better wages and working conditions make a job more desirable
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 02:28 PM
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30. There have been packing plants subjected to ICE raids.
Lots of job openings when the plants re-open.

Lots of those WHITE people among those standing in line to apply for the open jobs.

I'm from a fruit and vegetable farming area of Michigan originally. Most, but not all, of the farm workers have been Mexican or Mexican-American.

Last spring, some of those WHITE people were knocking on farm house doors looking for work on farms.

Some jobs are nasty, and I did a couple of them myself when I was young.

But WHITE people will do those jobs still when those are the only jobs around.

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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:38 PM
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21. Right, the cat has been out of the bag in Nebraska for decades...

... the IBP plant in Dakota City, Neb, which is adjacent to Sioux City, Iowa, nearly destroyed Sioux City due to the huge influx of illegal immigrants to the area. It reaches further east into Iowa, too. The point is, IBP started, nurtured it and profited from it, that being illegal immigrant workers. I know for a fact that the managers/supervisors at the Dakota City, Neb IBP plant worked with the illegal immigrants so they could "go home to Mexico" for a few months (and live like a king with the money they saved), telling them, "when you want to come back and work for me, just call this number".
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:39 PM
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3. Don't they have a lot of meat packing plants? nt
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freebrew Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:49 PM
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6. and fast-food joints.
Where I live, MacDonalds employs the most illegals. Have been busted for it and they keep doing it.

Authorities deported a few and they came back...go figure, eh?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:10 PM
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9. A lot, actually. I've got a friend who grew up in Nebraska.
His whole town was Hispanic. We were just joking the other day about him going to Las Vegas and driving around Arizona, and he said "At least I don't have to worry about that in Nebraska." :(
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:17 PM
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12. Yeah I looked it up. 8%. Hardly a lot.
A good number - but not near the level of many western states. It seems they're grabbing at attention there.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:39 PM
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18. Not a lot by comparison to Texas.
But a lot in actual numbers, was my point.

And yeah, you're right, they are doing it because they are a conservative state trying to flip off the Constitution and all that's good about America, not because it's a problem.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 04:30 PM
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23. Agreed.
I live in Salt Lake City. We have actually a fairly large Hispanic community (it makes up about 20% of the city population) and, as listed below, we're 7th nationally in illegals per capita. With that said, I don't even think it's as big of a problem here as maybe in the border states. Any law done by Utah would be just to fan the flames of hate.
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MIprogressive1 Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 06:52 PM
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25. Hispanics are not the only race who have Illegals in this country.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:53 PM
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7. #31 on the list for illegal immigrants. This makes sense how?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:11 PM
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10. Makes as much sense as the Japanese containment camps of WWII.
Fear isn't about sense.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:18 PM
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13. Stokes fear of "others". Always a good repub campaign tactic. Don't need any other reason. n/t
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:18 PM
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14. To be fair, do the per capita...
Since bigger states are certainly going to have a bigger illegal population (more people all around).

Utah is 7th in that regard. That shocks me, but doesn't. We have a growing Hispanic population here, but much of it is recent (like 1990-2010). Nebraska is 18th there - but still, point taken.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:09 PM
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8. IIRC, some years ago Nebraska declared the state bird of Kansas a pest.
Kansas retaliated by designating Nebraska's state flower as a noxious weed. Good sense is something lacking in many state legislatures.
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:15 PM
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11. What?
Yes I hear that they are real tired of all those illegal Kansans sneaking across the boarder into Nebraska to steal their jobs.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:33 PM
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16. "crafting such a law so it can be enforced without racial profiling is one of the biggest hurdles."
I would say it's THE biggest. Pretty much impossible, in fact. :eyes:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:06 PM
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20. Yeah, it's exactly like the South crafting grandfather laws to skirt the Fourteenth Amendment.
They tried "Negroes can't vote," and then "former slaves and their descendants can't vote," and when both of them failed the Fourteenth Amendment, they came up with "If your grandfather couldn't vote for whatever reason (mostly because he was a slave), then you can't vote." That got shot down eventually, too, but it served the purpose of disenfranchising African Americans until better barriers could be constructed.

Now it's "Stop anyone who looks or sounds Hispanic but come up with some reason besides them looking or sounding Hispanic."

I'm going to learn Spanish, get a tan, and speak with a Spanish accent from now on, just to fuck with cops. Say it sexy, like Ricardo Montelban.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 03:10 PM
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22. Or better still, the Dos Equis guy.
:P
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:44 PM
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19. I am so ashamed to live in Nebraska.
They like to pass laws that are unconstitutional on a monthly basis.
Us liberal here keep fighting the fight, but some days it just sucks.
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MIprogressive1 Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 06:26 PM
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24. I wonder if more officials will read this bill before they start bashing it.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 01:35 AM
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27. Reactionaries always experiment with all their worst ideas in Nebraska.
Its like the state is a laboratory, or something.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 09:27 AM
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28. Actually, Illegals have taken many jobs in not only meatpacking, but
also in roofing, construction, and increasingly in factories. It is imperative that something is done soon.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 03:40 PM
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31. I'm afraid that the unemployed will eventually take matters into their own hands.
The so-called economic recovery doesn't seem to be doing a great job of recovering jobs lost, particularly unskilled and semi-skilled jobs.

If those jobs don't come back in a year or two, we will be in a way worse world of hurt here.

I have nothing against those who come here without papers from other countries where the situation is much worse. Their behavior is completely understandable, and I don't buy the "crime" argument.

However, we are facing immense unemployment problems here, and constant high unemployment can cause very serious social problems right here just like those same conditions have caused and are now causing problems elsewhere.

This is a situation in which we simply have to solve our own problems before we can become the solution for others. Once everyone here who wants a job has one suited to his or her abilities and education, then we can think about others.

I don't have a problem with bringing in seasonal agricultural labor, IF NEEDED. As I've posted elsewhere, regular anglos were knocking on doors in my home area looking for ag work last summer. Of course, they didn't have experience with some of the equipment, but there they were, looking for any work available. If things go as they are, I expect that more will show up, that is if the farmers will hire them. I think that they should get first dibs for the benefit of our society.

I've seen seasonal ag work programs done badly and done reasonably well. It seems to work better when the farmer employers are responsible for providing housing that is up to code and inspected annually. Work needs to be done on coordinating education, IMHO.
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