Heavy Sludge Oozes into Marshes of Louisiana

[Robbien]

Source: CBS

(CBS/AP) It may be the most disturbing site yet: the first heavy sludge now oozing into the marshes of Louisiana as the slick continues to grow in size out in the gulf.

CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella reports it's an ominous sight. The oil is thick and black and stretches about a quarter mile down a beach. It goes beyond the booms into the sensitive marsh lands which are home to migratory birds.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal flew over it Tuesday.

"This wasn't just sheen, we were seeing heavy oil out there," Jindal said. "This wasn't just tar balls. It shows you how quick the oil showed up."

When CBS News tried to reach the beach, covered in oil, a boat of BP contractors with two Coast Guard officers on board told us to turn around under threat of arrest. Coast Guard officials said they are looking into the incident.

The impact on wildlife is unclear. Government officials say that 162 sea turtles have died, about half a dozen bottle nose dolphins have died. The sea turtles have not been thoroughly examined yet but federal officials say this seems related to the oil spill. And they admit they have no idea what's happening in the deeper waters because they can't watch it.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/18/national/main6496846.shtml

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Our coast guard is under BP's thumb, following their orders and threatening to arrest reporters. Who made BP god?

So sorry Louisiana.

[DebJ]

1. I'm too sad for words. But what's the best site for hair collection?

Perhaps I can get the middle school where I work to work on this before the year ends in four weeks.

[Robbien]

2. There's a place over in Louisiana collecting the stuff

called A Matter of Trust

Their website has info
http://www.matteroftrust.org/

[DebJ]

6. Thanks.

[salguine]

3. Prison's no good. Somebody needs to fucking die for this.

[DebJ]

4. Sorry to say some Gulf fishermen without health care might

well be the ones........... By the way, what is the politically correct term now for 'fisherman'?

[lostnfound]

9. Former fisherman.

:(

[aquart]

5. People will. Animals will. People have.

Just not the ones who are responsible.

[Winterblues]

24. I suspect a lot of bodies will die over this.

:shrug: probably not the ones you would like though.

[Scruffy1]

7. And the MSM is still using the ridiculous five thousand

barrels a day figure. Check out www.skytruth.org for a better estimate. Even at a minimum of 25,000 barrels a day this thing is going to be a world wide disaster. And from what I can put together qualifies for willful criminal negligence charges. They seemed to be under pressure to cut corners to save time/money as the first well was 25 million dollar failure do to fracturing. Then ignoring the failure of the annular valve in an accident followed by pulling the mud out to save money while cementing. GOOD BYE GULF. This will be leaking until late July, which will put another 1,500,000 barrels into the ecosystem or over 60,000,000 gallons.

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[CountAllVotes]

11. he is busy consulting with Goldman Sachs right now

otherwise sight unseen except for figuring out ways to soothe the pukes.

WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU MR. PRESIDENT AND WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CATASTROPHE?!!!!!

The leak will be fixed by MID-AUGUST BP is now saying! MID FUCKING AUGUST!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :argh:

:kick:

[Owl]

26. He's too busy prepping for the state dinner with the Mexican President.

[KamaAina]

29. Isn't Mexico on the Gulf too?

Otherwise it'd be the "Gulf of No Place in Particular".

[chill_wind]

10. What's Mary Landrieu been saying these days?

I hope these quotes of hers never become lost or forgotten.


"Earlier in the hearing, Landrieu mocked the notion that the environmental and economic risks of offshore drilling were serious, saying "I mean, just the gallons are so minuscule compared to the benefits of U.S. strength and security, the benefits of job creation and energy security. So while there are risks associated with everything, I think you understand that they are quite, quite minimal."

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8254184

“What's important about this sheen is that 97 percent of it is a rainbow sheen. Only 3 percent contains emulsified crude. Emulsified crude is a thicker oil clotted in water, but even in the area where the crude has beaded or gathered on the water's surface, it is a very thin layer. In fact, as I was told in a briefing with the Coast Guard yesterday, the oil slick in its thickest point is about a millimeter or two in thickness – approximately the thickness of a couple of strands of hair. So it is important to understand that, while this is an unprecedented disaster – the oil slick is wide and covers a large section our ocean – 97 percent of it is an extremely thin sheen of relatively light oil on the surface.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/04/29/93162/sen-landrieus-senate-speech-on.html

[defendandprotect]

16. We need to get Mary Landrieu out of there and replace her with liberal/progressive....

TARGET her for next election cycle -- which is?

[KamaAina]

30. Even NOLA has trouble electing progressives

Statewide? No can do.

[defendandprotect]

35. ... because they handled Katrina so badly?

Hard to understand . . . were all the liberals shipped out post Katrina?

[KamaAina]

37. Actually, quite a few were

or at least, tens of thousands of reliably Dem African American voters were.

But historically, Louisianans, even New Orleanians, have preferred their Dems to be centrists. The exceptions, notably Huey Long, have been populists rather than progressives.

[defendandprotect]

12. Money made BP "god" . . . can we uninvent it, please . . .!!

[ShamelessHussy]

13. If we had a real press, they would have forced them to arrest them - a damn shame

what cowards they have become :shakes-head:

[defendandprotect]

14. Really, really bad news . . . terrible for Louisiana --- however,

there's some good news re some machine Kevin Costner advanced which separates

oil from water -- BP is going to use it!

Of course, once it has landed on animal-life or coasts, it's too late!!

[cstanleytech]

15. Obama cant wave a magic wand people............sheesh

Its also not his fault for the spill, that blame lays at the feet of BP and those of the people whose feet we need to hold to the fire on this.

[defendandprotect]

17. dupe --

Anyone taking money from the oil industry is at fault!!

They're the ones who have given license to these idiots to "Drill, Baby, Drill!" --

it's suicidal!

[defendandprotect]

18. Really . . . ? Go read what Kevin Costner did with 15 scientists--!!!

Anyone taking money from the oil industry is at fault!!

They're the ones who have given license to these idiots to "Drill, Baby, Drill!" --

it's suicidal!

[cstanleytech]

28. Ya know, if Obama starts something like blocking

an investigation or allowing the government to go soft on BP during his watch over this spill I'll oppose him on that however just because he took donations from them does not automatically mean he will nor does it mean hes at fault.
If we used your reasoning then anyone who drove or rode in a car that used gas is also guilty of the spill.

[defendandprotect]

31. Politicians taking money from oil companies is the same as driving a gas-guzzler ???

Unfortunately, Obama is starting to look like Bush staring at the ruins of

Katrina from his airplane window!

What Obama is doing is a mistake -- for nature and the public.

He has to get government totally involved in this.

Meanwhile, 20 years ago, after ExxonValdez, Kevin Costner did something to try to

make a difference -- something that government could have been doing -- and/or the

oil industry!





Ya know, if Obama starts something like blocking
Posted by cstanleytech
an investigation or allowing the government to go soft on BP during his watch over this spill I'll oppose him on that however just because he took donations from them does not automatically mean he will nor does it mean hes at fault.
If we used your reasoning then anyone who drove or rode in a car that used gas is also guilty of the spill.

[cstanleytech]

33. I'm not saying they are just if we go on what you say.

As for Obama being alot like Bush, somewhat he is however unlike Bush I get the feeling Obama atleast will listen and actually consider other peoples opinions where as with Bush it was either his way or no way.

[defendandprotect]

34. ... and in your opinion, has Obama been listening? On war, health care, nuclear power, mountain-top

mining?

DADT, gay marriage?

Torture, permanent detention?

Global Warming?

[cstanleytech]

39. Yes, I think he has been listening

but that doesnt mean he has to do what you or I want him to do, his job isnt to do that but rather to try to do the best job he can for us all in this country which means he will make decisions you and I may not agree with him on.

[defendandprotect]

40. So when you say "listening" you mean something different from what most of us mean...

As for Obama being alot like Bush, somewhat he is however unlike Bush I get the feeling Obama atleast will listen and actually consider other peoples opinions where as with Bush it was either his way or no way.

You're making clear that you really don't care if we get MEDICARE FOR ALL, or DADT overturned,

or DOMA overturned? Or an end to the wars!

"Listening" is nice . . . but the nation needs a great deal more.

And I hope that liberals/progressives will continue to pound on all of these issues until

either Obama moves on them, or a more progressiver/liberal Dem candidate runs in 2010.

[cstanleytech]

43. And your making it clear you like putting words into peoples mouths that they never said

when they dont fully agree with you, how about ya leave that tactic to the bobbleheads on fox news, k?
Now, for your information I fully support healthcare reform, I think we should have a national healthcare system and I think we could get one into place that would work if the republicans would just get their heads out of their collective backsides and work with the dems rather than just saying no almost all the time.
DADT? I think it should be thrown out and in a perfect world it would have been long ago however we dont live in such a world, we live in reality and any decision obama makes about that in this world will have repercussions politically that he has to weigh before moving ahead.
As much as many of us here would like to see it thrown out there are nearly if not more who like it in place otherwise it would have been gone long ago, thats a fact I am sure Obama is aware of us well.
Ending the wars....see above about repercussions.

Now I wish we lived in a magical land where he could just wave his hand and all would be well and congress and the senate would pass alot of the good stuff Obama wants to get done but we dont, we live in a world where he has to work with 2 parties who dont see eye to eye on certain issues so anything he wants done he has to get congress and the senate to approve, thats how this country was setup.
So lets give the man a chance, in other words Bush had 8 years to mess us up, surely you and others can have the patience to give Obama atleast 4 of them to try to fix some of the problems before dragging out the tar and feathers.

[defendandprotect]

44. You responded to the QUESTION MARKS . . . and made yourself clear . . .

It's really simple . . . if my QUESTION doesn't agree with what you mean, then

correct it!

MEDICARE FOR ALL . . . great, that's what we're all for . . . except Obama and Baucus refused

to put it on the table. Coincidentally, they're two the the largest recepients of health care

industry money! So . . . Obama didn't listen to the nation -- at least in the sense I mean it!


Now, for your information I fully support healthcare reform, I think we should have a national healthcare system and I think we could get one into place that would work if the republicans would just get their heads out of their collective backsides and work with the dems rather than just saying no almost all the time.

What we got was a very poor start -- much of which doesn't even go anywhere for two years yet!!

Repugs are just doing the job they were pre-bribed to do -- same as some Dems who also hold us up.

This was the worst of the "we hear you but we're ignorning you" listening . . .

A failure by Obama to even acknowledge "single payer"/Medicare for all, post-election campaign.

This tragic and heartbreaking crime against American citizens teaches us once more . . .

"Silence is also a response!"


DADT? I think it should be thrown out and in a perfect world it would have been long ago however we dont live in such a world, we live in reality and any decision obama makes about that in this world will have repercussions politically that he has to weigh before moving ahead.
As much as many of us here would like to see it thrown out there are nearly if not more who like it in place otherwise it would have been gone long ago, thats a fact I am sure Obama is aware of us well.

Of course DADT should be gone -- Clinton gave in to religious fanatics almost two decades ago and

Obama is doing the same. Gates wants it and supports others in MIC who want it --

well, Gates is as dishonest as anyone else who was in the Bush administration --

This continues to be pandering to the most base segments of our society -- know-nothing

religious fanatics who should have no influence over government or military.


Ending the wars....see above about repercussions.


You're very busy suggesting "repercussions" but there are repercussions whether elected officials

do something -- i.e., offshore drilling -- or whether they don't, i.e., MEDICARE FOR ALL.



Now I wish we lived in a magical land where he could just wave his hand and all would be well and congress and the senate would pass alot of the good stuff Obama wants to get done but we dont, we live in a world where he has to work with 2 parties who dont see eye to eye on certain issues so anything he wants done he has to get congress and the senate to approve, thats how this country was setup.

So lets give the man a chance, in other words Bush had 8 years to mess us up, surely you and others can have the patience to give Obama atleast 4 of them to try to fix some of the problems before dragging out the tar and feathers.

This is the same ole . . . "you want a pony" and Obama doesn't have a "magic wand" chorus --

Obama actually did have a mandate . . .

and Dems continue to NOT force Repugs to filibuster, thereby, turning themselves into a minority

party and elevating the Repugs to power over them!

FDR could have sat around contemplating "repercussions" . . . . rather, he saved the country!

Notice that Obama a few weeks ago spoke of a "DEPRESSION" which was immediately scrubbed from

the internet. Obviously, that's what this is. Dorgan came close to saying it a few months ago.

Heavily stressed "Recession" -- and other Dems are calling it the "Great Recession"--!!


Obama has to get busy restoring the New Deal --

any minute now Obama will be half way thru his term --

and many of us are looking for a true liberal/progressive Dem to replace him.


Again, when people talk about "listening" . . . they're not talking about inaction --



Now I wish we lived in a magical land where he could just wave his hand

Unfortunately, when Obama does wave his "magic wand" it's for corporations and coverup.







So when you say "listening" you mean something different from what most of us mean...

[cstanleytech]

45. If your looking to replace him with someone more "liberal" to your liking I hate to disappoint you

but I dont think such a candidate has a snowballs chance in hell of winning and any kind of real push to get someone else on the ticket to replace him will in all likelyhood allow the republicans to win if they run a moderate for their ticket.

[defendandprotect]

46. You live for "fear-based" thinking, evidently . . . Think about . . .

FDR and what he did --

and Truman who ended segregation in all of our military!!

Do you think Truman night have been facing something just a bit tougher

than Obama's DADT situation?

DE-SEGREGATED ALL -- ALL -- OF THE MILITARY!!

If the Commander-In-Chief can't make a decision to overturn DADT, who in

the hell can?

If you truly want the things you say you do . . . and end to the wars, National Health

Care -- then fight for them. Resist the fear based thinking and the pony/margic wand

cliches. Let's target the DLC and right wing Dems and actually elect a liberal/

progressive Dem president!

[cstanleytech]

47. I would say its more that I live in reality and leave fiction where it belongs,

in books.
Fact is todays moderates at a national level sadly would probably hesitate a great deal to vote for someone they deem to liberal because in reality we live in a fairly conservative society overall and for proof I just need to point out the stupid DADT policy and how long its been in effect, the moderate voters approved of it by remaining silent about it.
Same for the whole bigoted passing of laws to deny equal rights to gay couples, those laws would not have gotten passed without the approval of the moderate voters.
Edit: You are of course still free to vote for such a candidate if you so wish but I just dont think they would win though of course I could very well be wrong about that and in fact it would be nice if I could be proven wrong.

[defendandprotect]

48. And, FDR and Truman didn't live in reality . . . there were no threats, no repercussions then???

First, let me introduce you to another type of book -- "non-fiction" --

you'll find those at your library.

Fact is todays moderates at a national level sadly would probably hesitate a great deal to vote for someone they deem to liberal because in reality we live in a fairly conservative society overall and for proof I just need to point out the stupid DADT policy and how long its been in effect, the moderate voters approved of it by remaining silent about it.

Fact is you're completely wrong on all points --
this is a liberal nation -- and the proof of that is that the right wing must control all
forms of media -- corporate-broadcasting, ending of public TV/radio with takeover by
Corporation for Public Broadcasting, a private organization -- the need to BUY both of the
political parties and our candidates and elected officials. Same with newspapers -- turned
into monopoly right wing ownership.

Noam Chomsky points that out all the time -- that because the elites actually do have to know
the real mood of the country they do regular polls which aren't published. Chomsky says this
nation is so liberal that they quite understand Mexican immigration here and note that ...
"after all, Mexicans were the native inhabitants of much of the US -- Utah, Colorado, New
Mexico, California!

You might also not know that the GOP gave start up funding for the Christian Coalition and
Richard Scaife funded Dobson's religious rw organization -- and other wealthy right wingers
funded Bauer's organization. That's what the rightwing movement in America is . . . largely
astroturf paid for by wealthy Repugs.

Your opinion on DADT is also wrong -- the military is controlled by right wing fanatics --
what else would they be supporting but an attack on homosexuals?

Meanwhile, Obama is Commander in Chief -- and should take it upon himself to act . . .

ACT as FDR and Truman did -- with courage!!


Same for the whole bigoted passing of laws to deny equal rights to gay couples, those laws would not have gotten passed without the approval of the moderate voters.

You must have noticed that our courts and states have been passing laws to legalize gay marriage
and civil rights for homosexuals? You might also have noticed that Prop 8 in California won
only because tons of right wing religious money was poured into the campaign.
And that there is steadfast work to undercover that deception and overturn Prop 8???


Edit: You are of course still free to vote for such a candidate if you so wish but I just dont think they would win though of course I could very well be wrong about that and in fact it would be nice if I could be proven wrong.

Oh, well, thank you! Certainly we all wait her for your permission to do anything, including your
letting us know who we can vote for!
:evilgrin:


Do you want to really kneecap the far right? Push your elected representative to have the FCC reinstate the fairness doctrine.


That's something most liberals/progressives here have always supported --

Problem is . . . does Obama support it?

Much of what Obama has done in making deals with oil and nuclear is disastrous and will be
disastrous -- not to mention deals with big Pharma and health care industry.

This is creating much unnecessary pain and disaster for our citizens, the nation, the planet.

Time now to think about a much more liberal/progressive Dem candidate!!

Now's the time!!

[cstanleytech]

49. Well now, I dont know if the president supports the fairness doctrine or not but

even if he does it doesnt matter since its the job of the congress and senate vote to pass laws which is why my sig doesnt say to write the president.
But anyway any other things ya wanna veer off randomly about and discuss?

[defendandprotect]

51. Let's stick with Obama . . . it is the job of the president to give leadership . . .

Recall JFK's leadership re overturn Segregation -- his speeches.

Recall FDR's constant calling out of the corporate robber barons --

and his constant leadership for liberal solutions!

[cstanleytech]

53. Well if you wanna stick to obama fine but tell ya what how about you answer this.

What will you do if you and others push for a more liberal president (rather than a moderate one like obama) ends up with costing the election for the dems and lets someone like palin (worst case scenario) win?

[defendandprotect]

54. Do you live on fear-based reasoning or only when you're here . . . ???

Most of us liberals are really dummies, you know . . . so guess we wouldn't think of that ....

Good think you told us!!

:eyes:

No one is looking to enter a downward spiral -- we're hoping to end this downward spiral by

the right wing . . .

Meanwhile, we have two corporate parties -- DLC is there to move the party to the right --

it's the corporate wing. Hanging on to Blue Dogs and corporate elected officials/candidates

doesn't make any sense if you want liberal solutions and progress.

As they say, doing the same thing over and again and expecting different results is insanity!!

[cstanleytech]

55. Come now, surely its not that hard of a question for you to answer.

[defendandprotect]

56. You're ignoring the answer . . probably because it's an answer you don't like . . .

Again -- WE have to create change -- remove Blue Dogs/DLC'ers . . . those moving

the party to the right . . . by replacing them with liberals/progressives.

It's the same way that the right wing has for decades been moving GOP to the right ...

and Dem Party to the right -- targeting and replacing.

[sce56]

19. CBS should hire these guys they know how to get the pictures!

[saigon68]

23. Thanks BP

[lonestarnot]

20. kick

[meow mix]

21. tony the hobbit has his boot on the coast guard necks

no wonder he's out making such ridiculous statements

[thereismore]

22. Monitoring much, idiot Jindal? nt

[time_has_come]

25. BP has their own coast guard? COOL! N/T

[HCE SuiGeneris]

27. United States of Fascist Amurika

Hail to the CEOs!

[CoffeeCat]

32. This sludge is like mud...it's menacing...

If anyone saw the "60 Minutes" piece on this last week, you saw
a man scoop up some of the oil that is in the water.

I think many people don't understand what this oil looks like. It's
not a light film of oil, like you'd see on your driveway. It has
the consistency of mud. It is thick. When it is pulled out of the
water, you can hold it in your hands. I reminded me of water resistant, dirty
chocolate cake batter that floats.

It is just disgusting.

What is almost unbearable is that this stuff is still pouring out of that pipeline.

It has been weeks now!!! This is unbelievable.

And why is our government (Coast Guard)) allowing BP to police the ocean? We need
more pictures and evidence! The Gulf is not a casket from Iraq that you can just
hide in a hangar. Unimaginable that BP, in cahoots with our government, could
prevent media, researchers and photographers from bringing the world the truth.

:mad:

[Tansy_Gold]

38. CBSnews.com has the 60 Minutes story

the image of the rusty brown sludge is at about 10:40 of the "Deepwater Horizon's Blowout - Part 2" segment.

I have a screen capture but I don't know how to paste it in here.

It's well worth seeing, because if you're thinking this oil is like some kind of liquid similar to gasoline or even as viscous as ordinary motor oil, you're in a for a rude awakening. This is vile, vile stuff.



Tansy Gold

[riskpeace]

36. LA, MS, AL, FL and TX all screwed

I've wondered for 4 weeks why the U.S. government let a British oil company take the lead in protecting America's coast, environment and economy. We can all see how that's worked out. President Obama has been strangely disengaged from this whole catastrophe. FL's 27 electoral votes are a lost cause for 2012, in my opinion.

I make most of my living over the peak tourist season of the next ten weeks. That's when the locals here make the money to survive the rest of the year. Cancellations are through the roof. New reservations have stopped. BP met with locals yesterday and said they understood the frustration with the claims process and that they were working quickly to develop answers. What a joke.

http://www.newsherald.com/articles/panama-83954-city-fishermen.html

Rao and Babu Rajalingam, BP’s local community support coordinator, said after the meeting they will emphasize to their BP contacts in Mobile, Ala., that some flexibility needs to be worked into the claims system.

“We’re trying to get answers, but sometimes it’s not as easy as making a phone call,” Rajalingam said. “It’s chaos over there.”

[Ignis]

41. " The impact on wildlife is unclear."

Fuck me, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this little journalistic gem.

:argh:

[daleo]

42. The impact is unclear

It's murky, dirty, even oily and bituminous. Yeah, I would say its unclear.

[lonestarnot]

50. I fucking hear ya!

:argh:

[Catherina]

52. Each day just brings more shock n/t