TRENDING: (Rand) Paul: No citizenship for children of undocumented immigrants

[RamboLiberal]

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN) - Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul is once again making waves, this time for saying he opposes citizenship for U.S. born children of undocumented immigrants.

In an interview posted Wednesday on RT.com, a Russian television station that broadcasts in English, Paul said he favors modifying current law.

"We are the only country I know of that allows people to come in illegally, have a baby, and then that baby becomes a citizen," Paul said. "And I think that should stop also."

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The 14th Amendment to the Constitution guarantees citizenship to individuals born in the United States, but Paul's position is not an unpopular one in Congress.

Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=_8BKtDLzpMu

[tekisui]

1. What a fucking asshole. It'll never happen.

He is talking shit out of his ass if he thinks he can waltz in with his racist fuckface and try to amend the Constitution.

I really hope he never makes it to the Senate.

[olegramps]

37. His stance on this issue only reveals his ignorance.

The 14th amendment to the Constitution is part of the Reconstruction Amendments adopted after the Civil War. It addressed a major issue regarding the citizenship of former Black slaves. The Dred Scott vs Sandford Supreme Court decision was that slaves and their descendants were not citizens and were not protected by the Constitution. The 14th amendment addressed this issue by granting slaves and their descendants citizenship.

A repeal without additional legislation, that would of necessity be complex, to cover unusual cases if made retroactive would deprive all the descendants of slaves of their citizenship. What of the descendants of former citizens of Mexico who lived in areas that were confiscated by the United States. Abraham Lincoln was opposed to the annexation of these areas in the Southwest as being illegal. (See Lincoln's address to Congress January 12, 1848 concerning the boundary of the United States and Mexico and the ensuing war with Mexico.)

I could envision mothers or fathers having to prove their citizenship before being issued a birth certificate for their child with a big Illegal Stamp on the face of it for those without documentation.

[Crowman1979]

2. Gee Mr. Libertarian, how are you going to enforce that once you privatize the federal government?

[No Elephants]

27. By hiring the privatized miitary to enforce it. Duuuhhhhh.

[Crowman1979]

40. With what? Funny Money? Especially since there would be hardly any tax money coming in.

[drm604]

3. From the Libertarian Party's official platform:

From their website:

3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a threat to security, health or property.

Does he consider the children we're discussing to be threats to security, health, or property?

In fact, as I read it, if he really believes in the LP's platform then he shouldn't even consider these childrens' parents to be here illegally.

I've said this before: Rand Paul is no more a Libertarian than my ass.

[Patiod]

23. Great post - thanks for this information

this is why I love DU - you learn new things all the time!

[No Elephants]

28. +1 (even though a lot of stuff that is flat out untrue gets posted as well.

[Hestia]

26. And when they get what they want, we get the Gulf disaster. Too bad, so sad, but no more. No More.

[Paladin]

35. Couldn't Agree With You More. He's No Libertarian.

Both Rand Paul and his idiotic father are a couple of government-hating xenophobes, trying their very best to steer this country back to the 19th century. The extent to which they now enjoy support shows just what bad shape this country is in.

Oh, and one more thing---Is Bill Maher right? Is that a TOUPEE that Rand Paul is wearing? I mean, it's obvious the guy is incapable of getting himself dressed in the morning (I see more fashion sense at our local middle school every day), but...a TOUPEE? I hope it's true.....

[proudohioan]

4. Well, that raises an interesting question about ALL of our citizenships

To what degree are we actually citizens?

At what point does our citizenship 'pass the smell test' and when is it considered 'murky'?

Is this strictly a generational count thing? How many generations does Mr. Paul consider acceptable?

What a bunch of bullshit!

[The Magistrate]

5. For Young Massa Paul, Ma'am, The Question is Not So Much One Of Generation As Of Complexion....

[proudohioan]

8. Yeah, that guy sure is a piece of work, isn't he! n/t

[olegramps]

13. Due to my heritage I am 1/8th American; can I stay or aleast 1/8th of me?

[proudohioan]

21. Do you think that we might be allowed to keep an arm or leg here?

Depending our percentage?

:shrug:

[olegramps]

36. If I had to choose, I think it would be my heart.

[proudohioan]

39. And if you had to choose....

Would you leave your heart in San Francisco?

:D

[olegramps]

44. Not a bad choice. Maybe Rocky Mountain National Park.

You know there is something sad about the Mint's new series of quarters, American the Beautiful, commending the parks systems that our forefathers had the foresight to protect from exploitation by the wealthy and powerful. At least the politicians could agree these areas were worth bipartisan agreement. However it is not the same today. Time and time again we have seen today's Republicans attempt to destroy them for profit. Their greed has no bounds.

[No Elephants]

29. Was at least 1/8 of you born in the U.S.A. or naturalized?

[struggle4progress]

42. Yup. It would subject anybody and everybody to the whims of the immigration police:

OK. I've seen your birth certificate. Yes, you were born in the US. But were your parents citizens? OK. Now I've seen your parents birth certificates. Yes, they were both born in the US. But were their parents citizens? OK. Now I've seen their four birth certificates. But were their parents citizens? OK. You say these are your mother's mother's mother's naturalization papers: this is a really old form, and we don't accept it anymore; you'll need to submit documentation to get a current version. OK. You say your mother's mother's father was born at home and that the state issued this certificate several weeks later; this is an really old form, and we don't accept it anymore; you'll need to submit documentation to get a current version. OK. You say your mother's father's mother's birth records were lost by the state when the records building burned decades ago. We'll need the state to verify that her records were known to be destroyed in the fire. OK. This looks like a valid modern certified copy of mother's father's father's birth certificate, showing he was born in the US, but it only lists his mother; you'll need to establish paternity and prove both his parents were citizens ...

[C_U_L8R]

6. Randy better cough up his great great grandparents papers

or pack his bags back to whatever swamp his family came from

[No Elephants]

30. Meh. Not good enough. Obama's mom's side goes back almost to the Mayflower and it isn't enough for

anyone. Why should Paul be privileged?

[Oregone]

7. Why should the federal government decide who is a citizen or not?

Isn't that up to private business?


:rofl:

[Duer 157099]

9. And make it retroactive, dammit!

Hey, we'd be left with virtually no citizens then! Woot!

[No Elephants]

31. None. Zero. Nada. Zip. Even so-called Native Americans migrated to this continent.

Seems as though the only truly indigenous people are the Kalahari bushmen, er, bushpeople. For all others, it's a matter of when they immigrated to where they now are, not if they immigrated.

[UndertheOcean]

10. Asshole n/t

[madrchsod]

11. randy..it ain`t going to roll that way...

[EFerrari]

12. Thank goodness this is not racism.

[Tailormyst]

14. Children born here are citizens BECAUSE we are a nation of immigrants

Unless you are a full blooded Native American, you are the descendant of an immigrant.

[No Elephants]

32. Actually, "Native" Americans were this continent's first immigrants.

All but one nation on the planet is a natio of immigrants. Pls. see Reply 31. Babies born here are citizens bc the COTUS says so.

[Tailormyst]

38. I agree. Legally that is why.

The basis for that law, I believe, is because we are all a nation of immigrants.

[jody]

15. Many people support repealing that portion of the 14th granting citizenship to those born in the US

to parents who are not themselves legal citizens.

[The Magistrate]

17. So What, Sir? Many People Support a Lot Of Damn Fool Things....

[EFerrari]

19. Many people supported lynchings and red lining, too, not to mention, George Bush.

" No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." -- Menken

[David__77]

20. Many people support female circumcision.

Just an aside...

[CreekDog]

25. not liberals

:hi:

[sam sarrha]

16. this wont happen... here's why. this info is in another story about birth rates.. >Link>>

what i want to point out in this video isn't the Muslim part.. it is that MAGICALLY.. our 1.6 birth rate was raised to 2.11 with the Latino migrations, a sustainable population. was that coincidance..?? i think not. but who was in charge of that.??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

[alp227]

18. Canada, Mexico, and several Carribean and Latin American nations have citizenship-by-birth too

Paul's "no citizenship for children of illegal immigrants" view is pointed out as "not unpopular" by this article; in fact, while other countries in the Americas have similar nationality law to that of the US, Paul's views of jus soli (Latin for birthright citizenship) match those of laws in Europe and abroad.

In the UK it's more complicated since one parent has to be either a citizen or legal resident (they call it "settled"). Hell, it takes a whole damn Wikipedia article just to explain under which conditions people born in the UK are British citizens. So I guess that Rand Paul's aiming to Britainize the 14th Amendment? Even though he'd rather the US Constitution and our laws be counter-British?

Ditto with Australia; one parent needs at least legal resident status.

And France observes jus sanguinis like the UK.

So I think we should stop freaking out at Paul, take a deep breath, and THINK.

[boppers]

24. Nice links. Nice latin, too.

Just complimenting, not commenting.

[No Elephants]

33. So did the Roman Empire, but so what? Point is, OUR Constitution is very specific on

this point. So, the fact that there are other ways to do it is irrelevant at this point, tho the Framers probably considered other options.

Do you honestly think opening up the Constitution for this and who knows what other amendments is a great idea these days?

Whether or not you think that's a great idea, do you think it will ever get past Congress?

If you answered no to either of those questions, there's not much practical reason to go any furher, is there?

[rasputin1952]

22. Like I've said all along...

This man is an idiot.

[No Elephants]

34. How could Republicans advocate such non-Biblical immigration policies?

Acts 22 (New King James Version)


1 “Brethren and fathers, hear my defense before you now.” 2 And when they heard that he spoke to them in the Hebrew language, they kept all the more silent.
Then he said: 3 “I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers’ law, and was zealous toward God as you all are today.

<snip>

22 And they listened to him until this word, and then they raised their voices and said, “Away with such a fellow from the earth, for he is not fit to live!” 23 Then, as they cried out and tore off their clothes and threw dust into the air, 24 the commander ordered him to be brought into the barracks, and said that he should be examined under scourging, so that he might know why they shouted so against him. 25 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said to the centurion who stood by, “Is it lawful for you to scourge a man who is a Roman, and uncondemned?”
26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the commander, saying, “Take care what you do, for this man is a Roman.”
27 Then the commander came and said to him, “Tell me, are you a Roman?”
He said, “Yes.”
28 The commander answered, “With a large sum I obtained this citizenship.”
And Paul said, “But I was born a citizen.”
29 Then immediately those who were about to examine him withdrew from him; and the commander was also afraid after he found out that he was a Roman, and because he had bound him.
30 The next day, because he wanted to know for certain why he was accused by the Jews, he released him from his bonds, and commanded the chief priests and all their council to appear, and brought Paul down and set him before them.

[Ter]

41. This won't get him in any political trouble at all

A hell of a lot of the Kentucky voting population probably agrees with him on this.

[Jefferson23]

43. Have you ever taken a look at his website? He talks about

how he will fight for the right to life. Although he says he supports states rights, he has no problem trying to pass
this garbage:

"I would support legislation, a Sanctity of Life Amendment, establishing the principle that life begins at conception. This legislation would define life at conception in law, as a scientific statement.

As your Senator, there are many ways I can help end abortion. I will fight for each and every one of them.

Dr. Paul has been endorsed by the Northern KY Right To Life.

http://www.randpaul2010.com/issues/a-g/abortion-2/