Attack is act of 'state terrorism' - Turkey

[Tripmann]

Source: Irish times

Turkey's prime minister Tayyip Erdogan has condemned Israel's attack on an aid convoy bound for Gaza, describing it as an action of state terrorism.

"This action, totally contrary to the principles of international law, is inhumane state terrorism. Nobody should think we will keep quiet in the face of this," Mr Erdogan told reporters from Chile, where he was cutting short an official visit to Latin America to deal with the crisis.

Earlier the Turkish government warned Israel would "suffer the consequences" after at least 10 pro-Palestinian activists were killed when Israeli commandos boarded a convoy of aid ships.



Read more: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0531/breaking25.html

[IndianaGreen]

1. K&R

:kick:

Israel is a rogue state!

[CynicalObserver]

43. I have yet to see anyone understand that the legal definition

of a blockade (which israel fully has implemented and is authorized to have over gaza) completely permits a blockade to take place in international waters.

Someone might check the us navy regs on this. Israel had every right to act once the flotilla crossed the previously published blockade line.

Please tell me there is someone who actually understands this topic?

[ooglymoogly]

47. Please tell me there is someone who can

bend the facts to say whatever pumps their "argument"....Oh wait....

[ooglymoogly]

48. Please tell me there is someone who can

twist the far fetched into reality....oh wait

[Usrename]

66. You mean it's legal?

In that case I guess Israel should slaughter as many relief workers as suits Netanyahu's blood lust.

What's wrong with that I ask? As long as some sociopath is getting his rocks off, where's the harm?

[AllyCat]

93. +1

[caseymoz]

79. Sophistry: a definition does not "allow" anything.

It never does. By international law, you cannot extend a blockade into international waters. Period.

Moreover, US navy regs do not apply internationally, except for the power the US has deemed for itself in defiance of international law, or in the way it will treat a blockade.

Does it occur to you that Israel has attacked a NATO power? Is the US going to wipe its ass with the NATO treaty if Turkey goes to war over this? or is it going to lecture Turkey with laughable legalistic theories about how blockades should be respected according to how we figured it out in the US Navy Regulations?

Perhaps you should point your cynicism just a little more toward Israel, too. What they did here was terribly cynical.

[EFerrari]

82. You should be asking someone to explain "illegal blockade" to you. n/t

[BOG PERSON]

101. LOL

:thumbsup:

[Name removed]

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[Ignis]

99. You mean like the blockade that the Exodus ran in 1947?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/analysis-israel-has-forgotten-the-lessons-of-the-exodus-1.293391

But I'm sure you know all about that, since you're an expert on the topic. :eyes:

[The Second Stone]

106. Assuming all your facts, that still doesn't allow deadly force

Israel has used deadly force against a food convoy.

[EFerrari]

109. The blockade is illegal. It is collective punishment and violates Article 33

of the 4rth Geneva Convention. It has been globally condemned.

The only thing standing between Israel and prosecution is -- wait for it -- our government. Not to mention, our tax dollars.

[FBI_Un_Sub]

111. Why go to Navy Regs

Just look it up in Burdick Brittin, International Law for Seagoing Officers

[LakeSamish706]

2. Totally agree, and this shit has to be stopped. n/t

[L0oniX]

3. ...and yet this fucked up country blindly supports them.

[truedelphi]

35. As though people here in states facing massive deficits couldn't use some

Of the sixty billion plus of handouts that our Federal Government offers Israel.

[valerief]

91. +1 trillion. nt

[Name removed]

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[BOG PERSON]

104. Birds of a feather... n/t

[hlthe2b]

4. Some can never bring themselves to criticize Israeli actions...

Surely this will be one act that will change that...:shrug:

[harmonicon]

8. for some, nothing can change that

I'm saddened that this tragedy happened, but it was entirely preventable and all of the blame lies with Israel. A logical person can see that, but an illogical person cannot - it seems for some, "Israel" doesn't mean Israel, but some ineffable thing that is more important than laws, life, or death. For me it's just a country. It's a country where some very dear friends of mine live, but it's also a state sponsor of terrorism.

[truedelphi]

20. Agree with your post.

Those justifying the legitimacy of Israel as a nation point to this Big Black Book as the reason for its existence.

What if the indigenous people in North America had a similar Big Black book, and they could point to THAT and say "Our Great Spirit clearly states in these writings that all this land belongs to us. So we are the owners of this land, and the rest of you can move into the deserts and other scrub brush areas and do as you please, but we want all the choice territories."

"Oh, and if you don't abide by our curfews, and submit to our legalized assaults on your rights, we will shoot you."

That makes perhaps MORE SENSE than whatever justification exists for Israel. As the lapse in time since the Native Americans were forced out of their lands in not two thousand years but only 110 years.

[David__77]

5. What will NATO do?

Turkey is a NATO member and I do wonder what that means. Of course NATO will "do" nothing per se, but it could affect the diplomatic and economic response.

[Pavulon]

24. This was not a turkish military vessel and has shit to do with NATO

this was the equivalent of the USCG boarding a vessel and death resulting.

[cosmicone]

95. It is still an act of war against Turkey and NATO.

When property of a country is attacked without provocation, it is an act of war whether said property was civilian or military.

By your logic, the US should not retaliate for 9/11 because WTC was not a military building.

[Warren Stupidity]

6. Yes it is.

[anigbrowl]

7. Turkey says navy will accompany future shipments

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threatens-action-israel-on-alert/116743-2.html

[anigbrowl]

9. also Israeli lawyers petition court, call it piracy

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177028

[Pavulon]

25. Then they will have a naval engagement.

Turkey has NO RIGHT to send vessels or naval vessels into any nations water. Israel is not greece. Turkey just can invade right?

[Chulanowa]

55. If it's evident that Turkish vessels will come under fire...

Then Turkey is perfectly within their rights to send naval accompaniment. The US sent the US navy into Iranian, Saudi, Kuwaiti, and Iraqi waters during the Iraq-Iran war in order to protect shipping. Various other nations have sent their navies to accompany their merchant vessels in dangerous waters, as well, even in national waters.

Israel could declare its national waters closed to all Turkish ships, but I imagine that would result in the breaking of a few trade agreements and such.

This is honestly a tough spot for Israel, especially if Turkey insists on following through with what it says it's going to do. Israel can take the safest route and bar Turkey's ships from Israeli waters, and cost themselves a major trade partner. Israel can let the Turkish ships through with a purely perfunctory validation; this would have the downside of making the IDF look like a bunch of crazy thugs, and would blow the top off the Gaza situation, which is the whole reason Israel did this in the first place. Oooor Israel can engage the Turkish navy Which would be bad, even if Israel would be in its rights to do so (provided it's actually in Israeli waters at the time).

Frankly, the second option would be the best for everyone. Better that Israel take a hit of embarrassment and exposure, than Israel lose an important trade partner, or get into another war, one that could easily spiral out of control (Turkey isn't Gaza, they'll shoot back)

[depakid]

70. It's not about whether there's a right to do so- but whether a nation has the power to do so

and whether it's willing to sacrifice its vessels to assert that power.

[Chulanowa]

71. Fair enough

I'm just stating the actual legality of it. Of course in military matters, might makes right is the standard.

[depakid]

74. Israel and the US only care about legalities when they believe it suits their interests

The same can be said from time to time about other nations, too.

[cascadiance]

86. Meanwhile our military industrial complex would probably like a war like this...

Since both Turkey and Israel are probably the top countries in terms of U.S. arms shipments (either aid or purchased weaponry and parts). If Israel and Turkey get in to a hot war, they'll make money supplying both sides of the fence!

This is sounding nasty!

[lumpy]

112. If Turkey wants war with Israel, they will have it. Just like the

US has had its war with Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Eric Condon]

10. Isn't "state terrorism" the very definition of war? nt

[SnakeEyes]

11. I wonder what Turkey would do

If someone sent a ship into their territorial waters and refused boarding.

[LiberalLovinLug]

12. The people aboard didn't really have a choice to "refuse"

And they were headed for Gaza, who have their own democratically elected government.

Not to mention it was a humanitarian mission. I'm sure Turkey, who wants to be a full member of the European Union, would think twice about a deadly attack against a similar group.

[SnakeEyes]

13. Sure they can refuse.

And choose the hard way of things.. with the IDF coming aboard unwelcome.

[anigbrowl]

14. this wasn't in Israel's territorial waters

The boats were about 40km off the coast. Territorial waters extend 22km offshore. Even Israel agrees this took place in international waters.

[cosmicone]

17. The aid flotilla was NOT in Israeli waters.

It was in international waters.

[tabasco]

22. I wonder what other countries would do

if Turkey blockaded and starved the people of Ankara.

[sabrina 1]

28. I'm sure they would do what any country would do. The problem

for Israel is that the humatarian armanda was in International Waters.

A better question under the actual circumstances of this incident would be 'what would Israel do if a flagged Israeli ship in International waters was attacked and several of its citizens killed while the rest were kidnapped?

[BOG PERSON]

30. n/m

[Chulanowa]

37. Interesting question

However, irrelevant to the situation at hand, as the ship was in international waters.

Unless of course, you, like Israel, believe everything in the area belongs to Eratz Israel...

[Butch350]

90. DEFINE: territorial waters?

[defendandprotect]

15. Agree . . . a terrorist act by Israel . . .

[ooglymoogly]

19. Quelle supreeeeeez! nt

[defendandprotect]

21. Are you saying Israel was defending themselves ?

[Pavulon]

33. Exactly that.. Here is the video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

Look at all the peace activists, hey are they trying to beat those guys to death with pipes? How peaceful.

children.

[ooglymoogly]

44. Tossing pirates off and defending your boat in international waters

is not illegal. Israel expects folks to bend to their will, no matter in what part of the world they are.

[Pavulon]

58. Well that boat is impounded and pipe guys are dead

the maritime law will be settled in short order. The rest is just fallout from a publicity stunt.

Hey why dont you declare you are going to sail to Iran with aid, see if they let you come on in.

[ooglymoogly]

75. You sound absolutely thrilled....

Though I know, as you keep telling us, you don't have a dog in this hunt. Sher doooood. Tell us another one.

[Ignis]

100. Someone spent a long, lusty night polishing his gun.

Violence excites the violent.

[lumpy]

113. The guy appears to be creamin' his panties over the death

raid.

[defendandprotect]

96. Think part of what they expect is due to the strong military/$$$ backing from US ...

including nuclear crap -- we actually store some of our nuclear weapons in Israel!

This arming of right Fundi/hawkish Israel began under Nixon . . . giving us a

foothold in ME and burying peace-loving liberal Israelis.

Obviously, anti-war Israelis are having as much trouble as we are in subduing the MIC.

[Bert]

62. And you are an adult?

Defend the fucking fascists. I am only sorry they didnt have real weapons to defend themselves with from those gutless israeli terrorists.

[Pavulon]

65. The 5 other boats that did not act violently were not harmed

so wish all you want, if they had weapons they would have been more of them dead as heavy weapons would have been used.

Go pay a guy to hit you full tilt with a lead pipe, if you live, you will understand. They set up the stunt and pushed for violence, they got it.

The others did not.

[kas125]

77. And here - this is for you - the video that you've spent the

last 26 hours saying you were waiting for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn-l_JltCB4 It clearly shows that people on the ships were injured - shot from the helicopter - BEFORE the ship was boarded by the terrorists/pirates/Israelis. Now that you HAVE seen the video, are you going to continue to defend the murderers?

[ooglymoogly]

42. Have you read any of my posts.

No and indeed not. Boarding a ship in international waters is piracy, but Israel does it all the time, but usually makes sure there are no cameras are around. My comment was meant to further your remark....I guess I failed.

[Pavulon]

59. No its inline with established maritime law.

naval blockades are not a new thing.

[Chulanowa]

73. Again, naval blockades don't apply to international waters

Nor do Coast guards have authority over other nations' vessels in international waters.
Nor does France running rum in Mobile Bay in 1864 have any relevancy to this.
Nor is Mairead Corrigan Maguire a dangerous terrorist.

Seriously. You're done. Hush.

[ooglymoogly]

76. You can say that till you are blue in the face

some bone heads have no interest in any truth. They are in the propaganda business. If you read the posts carefully, it becomes clear and obvious where the small, but loud, tag teams, that are always on guard, are coming from. And it is always the same faces. If everyone put these folks on ignore the o p's would be much different.

[defendandprotect]

105. I'll second that view . . . I have a long "ignore" list based simply

on people being disingenuous --

I'm very willing to debate something forever --

to read and to listen --

but once it becomes obvious that they are debating in poor

faith -- "ignore."

[defendandprotect]

103. I get you now . . . at the time I only read the one I replied to . . . my apologies ....

Thank you -- you didn't fail -- better late than never!!

:)

[ooglymoogly]

107. Accepted, I kinda knew that anyway. nt

[ShamelessHussy]

16. That's exactly what it was, but they know they have nothing to fear at the UN with US on their side

The ones who did the same thing to our natives.

[ooglymoogly]

108. Well you were right on that on.....but then we all new how our

fascists supporting other fascists would react in the U.N. We have become Israel.

[Odin2005]

18. K&R

[Poll_Blind]

23. The Turkish delegate at the emergency UNSEC meeting gave Israel...

...both barrels. "Both barrels" really doesn't adequately describe his upset. If you can, find a transcript of that. Not only is it a hell of a dressing-down, he laid some amazing demands on Israel which (amazingly) most of the security council echoed. He spoke first today, BTW.

Their people are dead. They were boarded and executed in international waters on a peaceful mission. Not only that, the ships had been carefully inspected to make sure their was no contraband material of any sort on board- one of the reasons there were so many legislators from various countries, a Nobel laureat, a holocaust survivor, other famous authors and intellectuals among others.

PB

[Pavulon]

26. You cant just sail into someones nation. No matter who you are.

turkey has no right to be there. Guessed that inspection missed the riot masks. That is military equipment.

[Poll_Blind]

27. I'm sorry, your argument is neither compelling nor convincing. (shrug) n/t

PB

[Pavulon]

29. Maritime law is really boring. Unlike most, it has no pet in this conflict.

The USCG or Israeli equivalent can board you vessel and prevent you from entering their waters. They can and do use force if you do not comply.

These guys engineered a conflict and are now surprised at the outcome.

I am waiting for video that justifies gunfire, the rest is already established law.

Ask the British sailors Iran seized.

[Chulanowa]

38. The Brits were in Iranian waters

Had the ships been in Israeli waters, I wouldn't question the boarding, and would agree that the people on board brought the fire on themselves by assaulting the soldiers.

However, it was outside Israel waters.

Say, come to think of it, how can Israel control the waters off the coast of Gaza, as well as all of Gaza's borders, and still claim there is no occupation? I mean if you exercise total control over the territory of another nation (or sub-nation, or whatever the fuck it is) then that's pretty much defined as an occupation, isn't it?

[CynicalObserver]

45. You might consider that the world (legally) disagrees with you.

Israel had every right, under established international law. to act as they did, where they did.

[Chulanowa]

50. Yeah, that must be the root cause of the worldwide condemnation of this

The utter legality of it just pisses people off so bad, right?

Write Tel Aviv, tell 'em to send you some new cue cards. The ones you've got now don't work too well.

[Strelnikov_]

52. Just how I was going to respond to our 'friend' n/t

[Pavulon]

61. Hamas and Israel are at war. The blockade, an extension of that war.

read history. Law established hundreds of years ago.

[Chulanowa]

72. I understand that

The blockade doesn't extend into international waters, however.

I understand you feel a need to defend israel, man. I don't agree, but I do realize that. But there's nothing to defend. Israel screwed up on this. There's just no argument you can make that will change that, no matter what. You can jump around about the civil war and Hamas and your ignorance of how the Coast Guard operates, all in a crazy bid to confirm your own belief that Israel is always right... but it's not going to work. Israel is in the wrong here, plain and simple.

[sabrina 1]

31. The world disagrees with you. You're wasting your time

Better to spend it acknowledging what happened and trying to find a way to resolve it somehow. Israel has been told what needs to be done now, the ball is in their court as it was from the beginning.

People are sick and tired of the killing of innocents around the world, by the U.S. by Israel and by the silence of their allies.

Maybe something good can come of this. The best thing would be for Israel to do as they were told. End the blockade and start talking about peace because their neighbors are not going away and the world is getting very sick of their excuses for their actions. They don't have many options now except to start taking steps towards peace. People will not forget this, they lost loved ones and in other countries, outside of the U.S. where we dismiss the loss of life, this will be a huge national issue in each country that suffered a loss, for a very long time, until there is some resolution by Israel.

[Pavulon]

32. Hey look at all the innocent unarmed guys swinging pipes here. They are saying hello

you probably dont remember the story of the IDF soldier who was killed (remember they dipped their hands in his blood) and his wife called to let her know her husband was dead. No, google it.

Here is the deal, at +30 seconds I would expect my door gunner to open fire with two men down. This response will lead to death no matter who is boarding the USCG or GSG9.

This is not the "arab street" mob mentality is not relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

[sabrina 1]

36. You continue to ignore the fact that they never should have

been there. After that, every action taken in defense of the ship, was justified by the unarmed occupants of that ship.

As for the incident you mentioned, regarding the IDF soldier, no I am not familiar with it, but I am familiar with the consequences of violence. I don't live there, to me it is a foreign conflict and I don't follow its every twist and turn.

This thread is about this one incident. I am opposed to gratuitous violence by individuals and by governments. This incident did not need to become violent, the Israelis made the decision that it did. Now they have to live with the consequences.

[Chulanowa]

39. Board my boat illegally, and I will defend myself

Board my boat illegally with weapons pointed at me, and I will feel completely justified in doing my utmost to end your existence as a living, breathing organism, and usher in your new career as a food source for marine life.

The Israelis got to experience, firsthand, some of that "restrained self defense" they love to claim for themselves.

[Mosby]

53. So you think it's OK to kill over a boat

OK got it, thanks.

[Chulanowa]

54. Over a boat? Nope

Over the lives of the people who you're pointing guns at, though, fuck yes.

[Pavulon]

60. Check the video quick draw. No pointed guns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

Door gunner was justified to open fire at any time. He did not. Or there would be many more dead.

[Chulanowa]

63. And they were justified to knock the shit out of anyone illegally boarding their boat

They did so.

Door gunner didn't open fire because it would have been an blatant attack from the Israeli navy on a flotilla of international civilians in international waters, rather than just an "incident" that we currently have.

Don't try to paint this as "Israeli restraint" - first, "Israeli restraint" involves child rape and chemical weapons, so this clearly isn't such a case - second, Israel could have waited until the flotilla entered Israeli waters, and then there would be no argument as to who is in the right. Israel did not. Israel fucked up. Nineteen people are dead because Israel conducted an illegal operation that was planned three weeks in advance.

Those Israeli soldiers are, frankly, fucking lucky that the assumptions of these activists' intentions were completely wrong. Else these soldiers would be fucking dead, rather than just bruised.

[Pavulon]

64. Well, if you beat a USCG boarding team like that they will kill you

so the video pretty much removes the peace activist were sitting down drinking and then machine gunned in the back. They decided to fight, they died in the process.

Like I said, its like france / england trying to run a US blockade of the south in the civil war. They dont have to wait until they have run it to act.

5 other boats were boarded, they were not violent and NOT HARMED.

[Chulanowa]

68. See my reply below

There's a world of fucking difference between national waters and international waters.

See, when French and British ships tried to run blockades, they were moving in United States waters (or, what the United States considered its waters, given the nature of the Civil War).

There's also the fact that the world has changed an awful lot since 1863. Back then, there were like, six nations plying the Atlantic. Now, damn near every country in the world is flying a flag on the Atlantic, and thanks to mapping ability undreamed of in the 19th century, and international organizations that were also impossible at the time, we can clearly say "these are our waters, and these are not"

Imagine the civil war with GPS and the UN. Yeah, kinda funny, isn't it?

[crim son]

87. What exactly is your response to the assertion that

the flotilla was in international waters, not Israeli? The validity of your argument hangs on the answer but you haven't addressed it. Please do. Thanks.

[AtheistCrusader]

78. You would defend yourself if someone kicked in your front door, right?

Whether they had a gun or not? I would.

If those ships were in international waters, and I have every reason to believe they were, that boarding action was easily interpreted as piracy.

If you know some maritime law that states otherwise, by all means, cite it. I know of none that would allow what happened there.

[crim son]

88. S/he seems to be suggesting that the "door" belonged to Israel.

I don't get it.

[AtheistCrusader]

110. In this case, the 'door' belonged, in a legal sense, to the nation of Turkey.

But the people aboard would see it in a much more personal way.

[Pavulon]

56. And the USCG will put a shotgun blast in your chest.

I never had the urge to shoot it out with them. Good luck. Leave you estate to a good cause.

The boarding was legal and inline with Maritime law.

[Chulanowa]

67. I'm afraid you're only slightly right

In theory, "my boat" would be registered to the United States, so the USCG has authority over it whether it's in international waters or not. So yeah, then I'd get the shotgun blast.

However, when dealing with vessels under the flag of other nations, the USCG doesn't do that shit, because that is fucking piracy and murder.

Instead, when the USCG sees a suspicious vessel in international waters, what it does is calls to the State department. The State Department then contacts the vessel's flag nation, seeking permission for the USCG to seize and board. This permission is usually granted. However a nation is 100% within its rights to deny the USCG this ability. In such a case, the USCG will patrol nearby until the vessel reaches US national waters, THEN they will be all over it.

I'm afraid you're dead fucking wrong, Pavulon. International law provides for absolute freedom of navigation in international waters.

If this ship had crossed into Israeli national waters, your argument would be valid, and I would actually agree that the Israelis had a right to seize and board, and the people on board should have just sat their happy asses down.

However, they were not in Israeli national waters. That's the key point here.

[CynicalObserver]

46. You are the sole voice of reason on this thread. ntxt.

[Strelnikov_]

49. And birds of a feather flock together n/t

[Chulanowa]

51. That they do

[Ignis]

102. Are you also opposed to the Exodus breaking the blockade in 1947?

Some people need to read some fucking history before opening their big mouths.

[New Dawn]

34. K&R - Put sanctions on fascist Israel! Now!

[hack89]

40. From the country that gave the world a real genocide. nt

[Chulanowa]

41. Directed towards a country that denies the existence of said genocide

Seriously, trying to use the Armenian genocide as a political bludgeon in a conflict between Israel and Turkey is kinda fucking dumb.

[Pavulon]

57. Maybe they invade israel, like cyprus?

turkey will do nothing.

[Chulanowa]

69. Oh, something's going to come of this

I honestly don't think it'll turn into a war, unless one party or the other does something super-stupid or provocative. However i can see the gears of political realignments in the region happening. Israel is losing favor with its main supporter, the EU is leaning heavily on Israel as well, and Turkey seems to be realizing the power it can use in the region.

However, I believe this may be another step towards Turkey adandoning its desire to become a fourth-tier European state, and instead step up as a first-tier Middle Eastern one. I also imagine Israel will pay some sort of damages, offer a halfassed apology, and allow "some" aid to be delivered while still maintaining the internment camp.

[hack89]

83. This could end badly for Turkey

if Turkey's Islamic political parties take it too far, the army will take over again to protect Turkey's tradition of secular politics.

[Andronex]

80. Forget about international waters...

I don't know on what legal basis Israel is authorized to patrol and supervise GAZA's territorial waters, there is no legal justification as far that I know...

[EFerrari]

81. Exactly right. Israel has no jurisdiction there, either. n/t

[hack89]

84. Israel has handed Turkey a two edge sword that can hurt Turkey badly

if their government is not careful. If the army see this affair as strengthening the Islamic political parties that currently run the country and weakening the Turkish principle of secular rule, they may step in to keep the country "on the right track".

Israel is not the only threat to the Turkish government - Turkey has a long history of military involvement in political affairs.

[madchick44]

85. So our Christian friends in Turkey must roll over and avccept

whatever Israel does with US backing? Watch out for the Israeli attack on Iran soon. Will be a great diversion. The US cannot afford anymore of the economic and life-threatening consequences resulting from our support of the renegade nation of Israel. They were the puppet masters behind WMD and the entire Iraqi charrade. IF you follow the Afghanistan pipeline propodal you will see where it ends up. It's not about land...its about land with fertile soil and water and other lands outside Israel with oiland diamonds.

[hack89]

89. Don't put words in my mouth

events like this usually have unintended consequences - I was simply pointing out that the Turkish army will not allow one of those consequences to be the Islamification of Turkey. There are Turkish domestic issues at play here that have nothing to do with the US or Israel. The biggest threat to the present Turkish government has always been the Turkish military - not Israel or Greece or the US.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

92. Contact info --

let them know how you feel about this incident and the US's response:

President Obama
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
Comments: 202-456-1111.
Fax: [phone]

US Embassador Susan Rice
http://archive.usun.state.gov/Issues/Contact2.html
United States Mission to the United Nations
140 East 45th Street
New York, N.Y. 10017
Opinion & Comment line: 212-415-4062
Fax: [phone]

Israeli Embassador Michael B. Oren
Israeli embassy in DC
3514 International Dr. N.W.
Washington DC 20008
Tel: [phone]
[e-mail]
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Michael-Oren/80233451916

Secretary General Ban Ki-moon
United Nations
New York, NY 10017 USA
212-963-5012 fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

[fascisthunter]

94. It Was indeed a Terrorist Act

only a sociopath could defend this action.