Greece will be a war zone, Sect of Revolutionaries warns tourists

[Raggz]

Source: The Guardian (UK)

The threats came from a guerrilla group called the Sect of Revolutionaries, as it claimed credit for the murder of Sokratis Giolas, an investigative journalist. Giolas was shot dead outside his Athenian home on 19 July, in front of his pregant wife.

The gang promised to step up attacks on police, businessmen, prison guards and "corrupt" media – and, for the first time, threatened holidaymakers.

"Tourists should learn that Greece is no longer a safe haven of capitalism," its declaration said.

"We intend to turn it into a war zone of revolutionary activity with arson, sabotage, violent demonstrations, bombings and assassinations, and not a country that is a destination for holidays and pleasure."


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/01/greece-war-zone-revolutionaries-tourists

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Looks like tourism to Greece will drop sharply.

[Ozymanithrax]

1. Another far left revolutionary group murdering for the cause...

Zero difference from right with religious rightwing militants murdering people.

[The Northerner]

2. +1

[katsy]

6. When people have no power to affect change

in their society, and no money to make a life, no hope for a future, violence will emerge. I'm not so outraged that Marie Antoinette was beheaded and yet feel great grief for MLK, JFK and RFK. Had Marie Antoinette and her ilk not been eliminated, the consequences would have devastated millions of have-nots, right? On the other hand, the deaths of MLK, JFK and RFK leave me wondering what if their visions for this country were realized.

On the other hand, it is uniquely right-wing to murder for profit or to feed their bigotry and racism. There is a difference to all but the dead I'm afraid. Zero difference to the dead. Maybe a difference for the greater good of society. Time will tell.

And as I said before, violence should be expected when all the money and power is concentrated in the hands of the privileged few. Do you let injustices go on forever because you don't want blood on your hands? Well, if I couldn't feed my family, I probably wouldn't take the high road. It's my failure, a character flaw, that I fight back and would fight to win. I'm a Spartan, what do I know.

My cousin, a farmer who lives in Greece, told me that police are impounding Lamborghini's, Mercedes and other mega-$$$ luxury cars owned by Doctors, Lawyers and businessmen. They never pay taxes. One doctor paid his nurse 20,000EU, which she pays taxes on, and then declared his taxable income to be 5,000EU. So they want austerity all of a sudden. And they want to cut the pay of working people, truckers, cabbies, and such. But the people who caused all this just pack up and move to France.

I'm sorry for the assassination of the journalist. I'm sorry a young boy was murdered on the street for no reason. I don't know how to feel when people start fighting back. Murder is murder, yes. But part of me is satisfied that someone is fighting back. We're not all Gandhi. Don't expect the hungry and hopeless to take the high road all the time. That the elite and right wing have no problems starving people slowly and therefor it makes the murder more acceptable. More clean. Is killing one's spirit and hope for a decent future any less a murder than killing the body?

Sorry for the rambling. I'm afraid for Greece and hope that they bring the crooks who exacerbated this economic failure to justice.

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[katsy]

16. The police killed the young boy.

I do not condone murder. That some one will fight back is to be expected. Fighting for social justice isn't always peaceful. Just take a look at labor history in the Americas. Should labor have not fought back against injustices because people may die in the process? Labor did what they had to do.

I wish death to no one. I don't support war or murder. Revolution? Maybe in this case. But go ahead and give yourself a big pat on the back for being nasty. That's the high road, right? Nice.

[naaman fletcher]

19. you sure they are fighting for social justice?

The history of greece might not be as black and white as you think.

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[katsy]

22. No. I'm not cool with murder.

Gotcha... hope it's me and all those good wishes.

[naaman fletcher]

23. oh yeah?

" But part of me is satisfied that someone is fighting back."

You also announced that you would kill if you were hungry. We know what kind of person you are.

[katsy]

24. No I did not say I would kill anything.

I said I wouldn't take the high road. I imagine I could be driven to stealing to eat. I don't know and hope to never be tested.

"We"? There's more than one of you or do you speak for everyone because of your holiness and all that?

[naaman fletcher]

25. You said you wouldn't take the high road..

In an article about murder. and you are glad someone is standing up.

Stop back-peddling.

[katsy]

26. It was thoughtless.

I wish no one harm.

[naaman fletcher]

27. ok. nt

[Jim Sagle]

49. Fuck off, corporatist troll. You have no business lecturing anyone.

So quick to police the powerless and defend the oligarchy. We know what kind of person you are too.

[proteus_lives]

13. So basically, you wish you could kill certain people?

[katsy]

18. No.

I wish the tax cheats be made to pay up and stop being allowed to run away from their obligations. Austerity programs should start with those most able to afford them, not from the hungry and poor.

The last government, Caramanlis (sp?) should be investigated and brought to justice should any crimes have been committed.

That people are angry and violent because of these injustices, I understand.

[Ozymanithrax]

30. When violence emerges they are criminals.

How can you be satisfied at assassination. How can you be satisfied at murder. The moment they moved to murder they became less than humans, and there is no understanding or accepting what they do. And when they murder there is zero difference with any right wing group. They are the same. IF you can understand what they do, well then you understand the right. If you justify and condone what these murderers do then you justify and condone what is done on the right.

Murder is murder and it is not to be accepted.

These left wing murderers are not poor helpless individuals, they are monsters.

[potone]

36. This is terrible.

Greece is reeling from its economic problems and it needs tourism, which is a major source of revenue for the country. This group does not represent the Greek people, who do not condone violence and assassinations that target innocent people and do nothing to address the economic problems that Greece is struggling with.

The choice is not between terrorism and passively accepting economic ruin. The Greek people, unlike us, are willing and able to take to the streets to protest government policies as they have demonstrated many times. All groups like this do-besides terrorizing the populace-is give the country a bad name and make it more difficult for the government to come to grips with the country's economic problems.

[readmoreoften]

31. "Another"? There are plenty of far left groups in Greece. Almost the entire nation.

"Far Left Revolutionaries" who don't believe in insurrectionist tactics include, let's see: there's the CP, the DEA, SYRIZA, not to mention countless workerist groups and syndicalist groups. The ONLY insurrectionists are a small, minority band of black bloc style anarchist insurrectionists who have nothing to do with the rest of the revolutionaries who are too busy patiently organizing real mass struggles to overthrow capitalism--no insurrection necessary.

But of course, you're going to come along in total ignorance and throw out some stupid, idiotic bullshit comparing revolutionaries in Greece to militant fascists. You might as well compare the US military to the SS if you're going to go with trying to make total stupidity sound deep.

No one needs your reactionary, uninformed, knee jerk commentary about the Greece situation, thank you very much.

I swear to god, the critical thinking and research skills of half of DU are no better than fucking FOXNews.

[Ghost Dog]

33. I support this comment. n/t

[unkachuck]

3. this should come....

....as no surprise....when democracies fail and governments cease to represent their people in favor of the wealthy and their narrow interests....when economic systems that are designed to provide sustenance to people instead drain them of their lifes' blood....when institutions and societal corruption make meaningful change completely impossible, people are driven to extremes to survive....

....this should come as no surprise....

[cowman]

4. This isn't about survival

this is about a bunch of lunatics wanting to murder innocent people. Why threaten tourists? What did they do to deserve this? I hope the security services hunt every one of them down and either captures or kills them.

[davidinalameda]

5. so you're defending cold-blooded killers

okay

[naaman fletcher]

10. maybe to you..

But in fact the vast majority of the people in the world don't kill innocents even when driven to extremes. I guess we know what kind of person you are.

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[naaman fletcher]

9. Are you in favor of the murder of tourists?

The body of your post seems to be advocating murder. Is that correct?

[cowman]

11. You are despicable

how would you like it if someone advocated the killing of you and your family? Take your bullshit hate elsewhere

[proteus_lives]

12. You serious?

If so, you don't belong here.

[Kringle]

14. tourism is an economic disaster

crappy jobs

everybody loses
stay home

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[proteus_lives]

17. You are a sad, ignorant little person.

:puke:

[naaman fletcher]

21. So,

If you asked those people in the "crappy jobs" if they would like tourism to stop, what would they say? I'm glad you want to put those people out of jobs. I'm sure they appreciate you.

[Lucky Luciano]

28. Fuck those assholes. I will still go to Greece and turkey

Either next year or the year after.

[Imajika]

29. Idiots...

So is this some misguided far left terror group? Why did they shoot this journalist?

What is the point of driving away tourists anyway?

[BolivarianHero]

32. The left has the right to be angry, as it does in Canada...

They have to put up with a corrupt electoral system that creates right-wing governments from progressive electorates.

[cowman]

34. They have a right

to be angry, they don't have a right to murder innocent tourists.

[Raggz]

35. The government of Greece - is socialist

Nnd is not right wing

[BolivarianHero]

38. Yeah...

But the right-wing government that led the country to ruin before formed a government even though social democrats and the far-left held over 55% of the vote the election that brought them to power.

[Raggz]

50. The Left jkis attacking a Socialist government

[BolivarianHero]

51. PASOK..

A Socialist International affiliate like New Labour and Accion Democratica, the right-wing Venezuelan party that calls for the assassination of Chavez.

[Raggz]

37. The Left revolting against a Socialist government - odd

[Fearless]

39. Greece will be a war zone, Sect of Revolutionaries warns tourists

Source: The Observer

Greek security forces have warned of a wave of violence reminiscent of the terror that stalked Italy in the seventies after urban guerillas threatened last week to turn the country into a "war zone".

"Greece has entered a new phase of political violence by anarchist-oriented organisations that are more murderous, dangerous, capable and nihilistic than ever before," said Athanasios Drougos, a defence and counter-terrorism analyst in Athens.

"For the first time we are seeing a nexus of terrorist and criminal activity," he said. "These groups don't care about collateral damage, innocent bystanders being killed in the process. They are very extreme."

The threats came from a guerrilla group called the Sect of Revolutionaries, as it claimed credit for the murder of Sokratis Giolas, an investigative journalist. Giolas was shot dead outside his Athenian home on 19 July, in front of his pregant wife.



Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/01/greece-war-zone-revolutionaries-tourists

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The number one factor determining the internal stability of a country historically is the wealth of the lower and middle classes. When the economic certainty of these groups are in question this is what occurs. This is what becomes acceptable. This is why the Teabaggers are so incredibly dangerous.

As the article puts it. "Our guns are full and they are ready to speak," it said. "We are at war with your democracy."

[RKP5637]

40. I do have to wonder how far off this is in the US. I've been wondering that for some

time now. The rhetoric is getting pretty freaky and we know some of the MSM loves to stoke it and profit.

[Pharaoh]

41. Hmmmmmmnnnnnnnnn

"For the first time we are seeing a nexus of terrorist and criminal activity," he said. "These groups don't care about collateral damage, innocent bystanders being killed in the process. They are very extreme."


Sounds kind of like the US war machine in the middle east :freak:

[inna]

42. wait, you're comparing Greek revolutionaries to teabaggers??

fail.

[Fearless]

43. I'm describing what causes mindless violence. Fail?

[inna]

44. greek riots are all about social justice and come from the perspective OPPOSITE to that of teabagger

s.

yes, fail.

[Fearless]

45. Ok let's play this game... Why do they need to riot? n/t

[msongs]

46. shooting inevstigative journalists - sounds like Che's kind of social justice nt

[JDPriestly]

48. Shooting investigative journalists never, never leads to justice.

[JDPriestly]

47. The groups threatening this kind of violence in Greece are

a fringe of the rioters. There is also a fringe among the Teabaggers.

It's the fringes that cause violence.

The article states that it isn't just the rioters. It is rebel groups mixed with old-fashioned criminal organizations. That's a very dangerous combination.

I don't see the Teabaggers as mixing with criminals, but I could be wrong.