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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 04:15 AM
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Election likely to show shift to right
Source: Stl Post Dispatch

WASHINGTON • Two years into the age of Obama, America may be about to change course.

The hope and optimism that President Barack Obama stoked into Democratic control of Washington two years ago has faded. Instead, voters are anxious about the economy. They're worried about jobs and paychecks. Many complain about soaring federal debt.

They give poor grades to Obama, and even worse ratings to Congress. Voters get their say Nov. 2, when they elect all 435 members of the House of Representatives, 37 members of the Senate and governors in 37 states.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/article_ca867a39-8586-59d7-b07f-fd833df744b7.html



nothing new here
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 04:51 AM
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1. Boy, the corporate media is doing its best to create a self fulfilling prophesy, isn't it?
I think Democrats will do better than expected.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 04:59 AM
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2. If they do, the reason given will be that they moved to the right.
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 05:20 AM by Jim Sagle
And since that worked out well, they'll move to the right AGAIN!

And if they lose, the reason given will be that they DIDN'T move far enough to the right. So they'll move to the right.

Funny how that works.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:04 AM
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3. Yep, the media hasn't stopped since after Lincoln's birthday shortly
after the inauguration.

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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:31 AM
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4. +1
The Main Stream Media has been telling us since January 20, 2009 that the Democrats were going to lose the House of Representatives. The MSM is actively engaged in influencing the outcome of the November elections, and they are not even trying to hide it.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:39 AM
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6. Did you have a problem with that in 2006 and 2008 when the Democratic tidal wave was on?
If you want to stick your head in the sand about how these elections are heading, fine........but are you going to sit there and tell me Nate Silver is in on the plot?
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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:18 AM
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13. How about we work on getting Democrats out to vote before lamenting our loss - before the election

There is over a month before the election.



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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:27 AM
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14. Read this board
You'll see there are too many so-called progressives who have decided to take their ball and go home and punish Obama, Gibbs and Emmanuel. They are not going to vote, and quite frankly, fuck them.

I'm not one of them. I vote no matter what. But I'm a realist, and I see the same wave happening this year that happened in our favor in 2006.

The Obama voters only think they have to show up once every 4 years. It's the independents who matter in mid-terms, and they have followed the media narrative that it's the anger of the Tea Party that is fueling the changes now. The media benefited us in 2006 by pointing out the GOP scandals. This time it's not going to help us, mainly because our political operatives refuse to play as dirty as the GOP.
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Mickeyc1004 Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 11:36 AM
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28. Exactly!!!
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 11:42 AM by Mickeyc1004

Many of these current post remind me of how DU was before the 2008 landslide election.

There were still many people on DU at the time going on about how Obama was going to lose, "for sure" because he didn't do X or Y or wasn't YYY enough.

Some people are just pessimistic, and some people have anterior motives and want the democrats to go down in flames so they can say, "Told you so". we should have elected X or done Y.

Most voters are not even paying attention yet.

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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 11:18 AM
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26. I agree! Everywhere you look, it's gloom and doom
Even on the front page of the Philly Inquirer yesterday. Now I am not doing well financially right now, but I can see that things are slowly getting better - you'd think if they were unbiased in any way, they would educate people about that instead of spending so much time on Democrats losing.
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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:34 AM
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5. The Main Stream Media is telling who won the election, before the election has even occurred
The arrogance of the Media will demonstrated to all when we hold control of the House in November. The Senate will be a wash with the Democrats losing only one seat.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:41 AM
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7. Really?
We've almost certainly lost North Dakota, Indiana, and Arkansas. Delaware too. Where are we going to pick up seats?
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:00 AM
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9. Let's see
Ohio probably
New Hampshire good shot
North Carolina is looking decent

Hope it helps
:hi:
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:16 AM
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12. All I see in those polls are GOP candidates leading by 6 to 8 points
If that's good news in your view, then we are REALLY screwed considering how many Democratic incumbants trail right now.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 07:20 AM
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18. Don't know what polls your reading
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 07:25 AM by rpannier
Ohio: I see a diff of 3 points +/- 4.5
New Hampshire hasn't even held their primaries, but a tea bagger has appeared in the Republican race for Senate. He probably won't win, but he has said he might run as a 3rd party - Ovide Lamontagne
Real Clear Politics has NC as a lean

I would also add that a Tea Party candidate has appeared in DE as well-- Christine O'Donnell (R). The Tea party groups plan on shelling out 250K for her.
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LawnKorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:04 AM
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10. How about we get out and vote for the Democratic candidate in this election, and let Rasmussen sink
Voter turnout in mid term elections is typically low. If we get all our friends to actually go to the polling palace and vote, we will win. The voters that put President Obama in office in 2008 are still with us, they just need encouragement to get out and vote.

We would be better off if we quit blindly believing the prognostications of a biased media.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:44 AM
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8. It's not a swing to the right
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 05:48 AM by ProudToBeBlueInRhody
It's the people swinging to the other party, reagrdless of the philosophy. The American people are fucking fickle and want instant gratification. They gave the goddamn Rethugs plenty of time to fuck things up but give us only a 2-4 year window. People are stupid.
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xJx Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:05 AM
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11. Vote or not to vote...
Why even bother voting anymore when it has been proven beyond any doubt that all electronic voting machines can be programmed?
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:29 AM
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15. so don't vote... they win.
read my signature line below...
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:50 AM
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17. You're correct it isn't a swing to the right, it's a consequence of our system
and the way Americans have come to understand it.

Americans appreciate that for continued control, real changes must be advanced, and a few won, in the first 18 months of a presidential administration--before the mid-term takes the wind out of the sails.

Having some big expectations met by now so that an electorate can cast midterm votes based on favorable perceptions hasn't happened. It's unpleasant, but what you see as impatience is a consequence of the way our system is put together.







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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:34 AM
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16. An administration thats swung right.. and people wanna get even more right
What left wing media. hahahahahahahahaha... Bullshit.

What they'll end up doing is electing a no nothing congress and nothing will get done. So if you loved the past decade you'll vote right, if you hated the past decade you'll vote independent or left. So apparently most americans feel things are just fine.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 10:52 AM
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23. a no nothing congress
Or even a know nothing congress.


We already have a No anything Senate.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 07:21 AM
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19. An unfortunate but temporary consequence in ejecting the Blue Dogs & DLC New Dems
from the Democratic Party perhaps? :shrug:
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 10:56 AM
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24. I suspect it's more in line with the "fake republican vs real republican" saying.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 11:12 AM
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25. "..,ejecting the Blue Dogs & DLC New Dems from the Democratic Party perhaps?"

:rofl:Stop, you're killing me! The "new Dems" are killing the party.

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 07:29 AM
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20. We're shifting to the right..
.. because when given the opportunity to govern from the left we didn't.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 10:40 AM
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21. we are always shifting to the right
the only difference is in the speed.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 10:43 AM
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22. This is what DLC triangulation, the GOP playbook and bullshit half measures gets you.
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 10:54 AM by Edweird
If the Dems acted more like FDR and less like Reagan, we wouldn't be where we are.
Of course, the DLC'ers were going 'right' no matter what.
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Mickeyc1004 Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 11:25 AM
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27. I don't think that is necessary true..
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 11:26 AM by Mickeyc1004

I'd have to wait and see. Voters don't always react the way the media or talking heads say they will. If I were still unemployed. I wouldn't be voting republican.

However, can't really say one way or the other what other people will do.

Also, republicans and teabaggers are the ones who are going on about the debt, also keep in mind a lot of republicans started calling themselves independents after the last election so I'm very wary about polls and independents.


The average voter that I run into are concerned about jobs and also things like being able to get unemployment benefits and food programs and not about national debt.
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