Rice ordered Bush: stay put

[canetoad]

Source: The Age (Melbourne)

Rice ordered Bush: stay put
Joe Sinclair, London
September 7, 2010

CONDOLEEZZA Rice ordered George Bush not to return to Washington after the 9/11 attacks before hanging up the phone, the former national security adviser has revealed in a documentary interview.

In a heated exchange, Dr Rice had to argue with the US president, who was in Florida, telling him not to return to the White House because it was a potential terrorist target.

She told the British Channel 4 documentary: ''The president got on the phone and he said: 'I'm coming back.'

''I said: 'You cannot come back here. The United States of America is under attack, you have to go to safety. We don't know what is going on here.'

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/rice-ordered-bush-stay-put-20100906-14xxm.html

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Later in the article she explains that the bunker where she and Cheyney were sheltering was running out of air.......

[Jackpine Radical]

1. Revisionism.

[davidwparker]

7. +1

[Javaman]

32. The polishing of the turd* has begun. nt

[Supersedeas]

95. they have to fill the Museum up with something--wax on/wax off

[No Elephants]

97. The Bush Legacy Project began while he was in the WH. They knew they'd need an early start.

[JNelson6563]

88. Of the highest order!

[No Elephants]

102. Or the lowest.

[JNelson6563]

103. Indeed!

:toast:

[SusanaMontana41]

108. These people have no shame. No decency and no shame. n/t

[SusanaMontana41]

107. Yup. n/t

[SpiralHawk]

2. "Staying put on vacation is my speciality. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)

[saigon68]

29. LOL what an assclown in the photo

How soon the sheep forget

[wordpix]

41. "hmmm, what do I do now? Chain-ee's not here to tell me..."

[ixion]

3. Well, no, actually the little coward high-tailed it to Nebraska

This "tough guy" crap is just that: crap.

[gratuitous]

45. First, he stopped off in Louisiana, then high-tailed it to Nebraska

I believe the phrase "ran like a scared rabbit" was made for situations just like this. Those of us who remember that day remember first that all air traffic was immediately grounded. There was a specious story about how there might be another jet flying around (as I recall just after the fourth flight was crashed in Pennsylvania) that was maybe looking to ram Air Force One. That was the cover given for Bush stopping off in Louisiana before folks figured out how stupid that sounded, and then Bush proceeded to Nebraska to hide.

God, that was a horrible day, made moreso by the unending stream of bullshit being peddled by the people nominally in charge that day, and the credulity of the popular media.

[crikkett]

4. Article's last contention was that GWB gave the order to shoot down flight 93.

I thought it was Cheney.

[Drunken Irishman]

6. Unless Cheney was acting president, I doubt he would've given the order.

An order like that HAS to come from the POTUS.

[Wilms]

11. But the order may not have come from the pOTUS*.

Who really knows what happened that day. This article doesn't clear it up, but doesn't confirm your account, either.

Cheney Authorized Shooting Down Planes
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2004/06/18/AR2005040311317.html

[Drunken Irishman]

13. I'm just going by what he constitution states.

Of course, it's Bush - so it doesn't matter.

Actions like that, however, can not come from the VP. He doesn't have the authority unless the President is indisposed and therefore, Cheney was acting president.

[Wilms]

27. Apparently the 9/11 Commissin had another idea.

The 9/11 Commission states: "Prior to 9/11, it was understood that an order to shoot down a commercial aircraft would have to be issued by the National Command Authority (a phrase used to describe the president and secretary of defense)."

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050519154200725

[No Elephants]

98. The Constitutiion says nothing about who can order a plane shot down.

If generals were ever told they could take orders from Cheney (and/or Condi and Cheney) they would take orders from them and act accordingly.


The Constitutiion says only that the President is CIC.

[xxqqqzme]

38. Darth was

POTUS, in his own mind.

[Raster]

117. More than in just his own mind, unfortunately. G-dumbya was just a figurehead and an

alibi-in-the-box. He was controlled, managed, manipulated and maneuvered every single second of his pResidency. bush* was spoon-fed more times than Ronnie the Raygun and probably drooled just as much.

The old story about cheney* heading up the search committee for Vice President and nominating himself because of no other suitable candidate is horse pucky. If there was a search committee, it was to find an administration front man that was palatable enough to seemingly win Selection 2000.

I lived in Texas from 1981 through 1996. I watched the rehabilitation of G-dumbya from cocaine cowboy to owner:rofl: of the Rangers, to governor. bush* was akin to a clueless sperm donor. He just didn't realize it until the end. His one act even remotely Presidential was when he got off the leash and refused to pardon Scooter, which infuriated cheney*, who thought that one was already in the bag.

[aquart]

5. And he should have said, "I'm coming back anyway."

Such a good widdle boy, obeying his nanny.

[customerserviceguy]

18. How many foolish chances

do you want Barack Obama to take in the next terrorist incident?

This was the right thing for a President to do, no matter who it was.

[aquart]

23. No. It was not.

I wouldn't ask my president to ride into a hurricane, because hurricanes are really dangerous, but the aftermath of a piddling terrorist strike? Please.

It seems that many of us really need to think hard and reorder our priorities. We are witlessly afraid of the wrong danger. NO TERRORIST EVER DESTROYED A CITY. Katrina did.

[customerserviceguy]

30. Piddling terrorist strike???!!

There hadn't been an attack on the mainland of the US since the War of 1812, no one possibly could know the scope of it the day it was being launched. And for three thousand people and their families, it wasn't 'piddling'. You make a grave insult against the people who lost their lives that day.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. Japanese subs fired on targets in CA and OR.

Scooby snack.

[customerserviceguy]

83. Yes, and the Japanese also launched balloons

that would ride the jet stream and try to make the Northwest forests burn. They actually killed some Americans with one of them.

But the sub attacks were nothing compared to what was KNOWN about the 9/11 attacks as of the point in time that Rice would have had this conversation with Bush.

In any case, what happened that day was not piddling.

[Nihil]

92. Of course it was.

> But the sub attacks were nothing compared to what was KNOWN about the 9/11
> attacks as of the point in time that Rice would have had this conversation
> with Bush.

Like "they were over" or maybe "the final number of casualties is yet to be
determined"?


> In any case, what happened that day was not piddling.

Nine years on and you're still wanking about the number of people who
may or may not have died that particular day. Time for you to learn a
little about the world beyond your parochial TV screen ...

:eyes:

[customerserviceguy]

104. How many people do you think died that day?

What's the latest truther nonsense talking point on that?

[Nihil]

112. Nice strawman.

> What's the latest truther nonsense talking point on that?

Who gives a shit? That's not the topic that I pulled you up on.

:eyes:

[Gormy Cuss]

48. Rice is taking credit for the decision, which further undermines the notion of Bush's leadership

during a crisis.

Would you want Obama to make such a choice based on his own thinking or because he was yelled at by an underling?

[customerserviceguy]

85. From the way that his Presidency is going

I'm sure there are a lot of his underlings bossing him around.

[Chicago dyke]

21. you mean "nanny-wife"

personally, i think they're both queer. but i don't forget that quip she made about him being her "husband." it's a joke i make about a couple of my gay male friends, we're close enough that we might as well be a married couple all but for the sex part (and i hear married people don't have too much of that anyway). but yeah, they sure do have a weird relationship, Rice and Bush.

i wonder how much they've stayed in contact since leaving the WH. i'd bet a lot.

[No Elephants]

100. That was a joke? I saw it as a Freudian slip, followed by an embarrassed giggle.

[Adsos Letter]

8. "...the bunker where she and Cheyney were sheltering was running out of air..."

Not fast enough, apparently.

[shanti2]

9. oh no........

you just made the Dr Pepper come through my nose with that
one!!

[Adsos Letter]

20. I do what I can.

:D :hi:

[shanti2]

10. Good one!

[yurbud]

40. that alone is enough to tell the bullshit quotient of the book.

[Lasher]

91. Hey, somebody farted!

There was nowhere else to go and no dog to blame.

[No Elephants]

99. That may explain SOME of the brain damage.

[icnorth]

114. And Shrub would only exacerbate their problem... n/t

[Xipe Totec]

12. High Lies (Ode to Condoleezza Rice)

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of truth,
And cast my lies from crimson-lipsticked lips;
Onward I've lied, and weaved a rambling myth
Of grateful crowds ...and claimed a hundred things
You have not swallowed...weaved, demurred and spun
Fading into sullen silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting media along, and flung
My eager crap through endless streams of wind.
Up, up, the false, delirious flaming lies
I've topped the biggest ones with easy grace
When neither Rove, nor even Cheney could.
And while with soiled, uplifted heels I've trod
The pure untrespassed sanctity of truth...
...put out my thumb, and poked the eye of God.

(With apologies to John Gillespie Magee)

[Art_from_Ark]

16. That was great

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

[Xipe Totec]

49. Thanks - I'm here all week

:evilgrin:

[wordpix]

43. "and flung/My eager crap through endless streams of wind." This poem a must-read for hs Eng. class

:rofl:

[colorado_ufo]

14. Apparently she still has the "hots" for him.

Neat trick: Covers her own butt AND Cheney's and buys favor with her "guy" as well.

Laura, watch your back.

[sabrina 1]

15. She always was a liar. I remember her on Meet the Press

even when she knew we knew they were lying she couldn't help herself.

I remember how she DIDN'T remember what was written on that little warning to Bush about Bin Laden striking on U.S. territory and how they tried to hide it since it proved her to be a liar.

And who can forget her lies about 'never thinking that planes would be flown into Buildings'. National Sec. Adviser didn't know about the Bojinka plot which was exactly what they intended to do.

And then there was the HUGE scary lie about Mushrooms clouds coming our way from Iraq.

Why are all these liars writing books right now? Why don't they just go away and hide so we are not reminded once again of what they did to this country?

No amount of money seems to be enough for them. I hope she has nightmares about all the dead Iraqi children her lies helped to kill.

[Amonester]

17. These war criminals R writing books because they cash in millions.

And since the Obama Admin. AG will not prosecute any of them for their thousands and thousands of murders, and their illegal ordering of torture... uh, 'enhanced interrogation techiques' :puke:, they now know they will never be held accountable for their despicable crimes against humanity.

Of course, they have no shame. (Big) money trumps peace... and justice too.

[aquart]

24. Nah. Her nightmares are about missing shoe sales.

[No Elephants]

101. Don't forget those dominatrix boots.

[Heywood J]

19. "Don't come back. We're not done with our plans yet!"

"We haven't finalized the shit we want pushed through Congress as a result of this, nor gotten our talking points out to the TV stations! Wait a few hours and we'll be ready. In the meantime, you go cower in the hole."

[democrat2thecore]

28. I'm curious....

Did you mean that seriously? I ask because if there was a false flag/LIHOP type thing, I have always thought maybe, if that in fact happened, that Bush really had no clue, that it was orchestrated by Cheney and the neocons. That was strengthened when I was in Austin at a political event and Molly Ivins was asked about the conspiracy theories and she became almost livid. She said that while she disagrees with Bush on 85% of what he does politically, she knows George and Laura Bush personally and that any kind of involvement in something like that is just crazy. She then, in classic Molly style, said, "There's some people I wouldn't put it past, but not George W. Bush. I'm sorry, we disagree on almost everything - famously - but I also know he's not got a bone in him capable of going along with anything like that." Some were surprised. Others there in Austin, told me that while she hates his politics, she truly likes him and Laura and their kids.

Don't kill the messenger. I'm just telling you what I had thought and then how that seemed to sway me that way even more. So, I am curious what exactly you meant? Something like what I just wrote?

[Kolesar]

31. Cheney &Rice were opportunists after 9/11. I doubt if they "LIHOP"...eom

[chimpymustgo]

37. LIHOP or MIHOP? Cheney just HAPPENED to be heading up "war games" with NORAD that morning.

Standdown.

[Heywood J]

84. Without having this thread relegated to the Dungeon,

the only evidence either way is melted down in China or in the Fresh Kills landfill, and I doubt it will ever be settled conclusively. Whether George was a simple meat puppet or was induced to take an active role is up for debate, as there's evidence each way. Again, no need to Dungeonate this thread.

[ProudDad]

110. I think you're right...

Of course I think they kept the shrub out of the loop because he has flapping lips and no real brain power...

As for cheney and rummy -- damn straight they did it!

I believe that they either planned and carried out the whole deal or, more probable, found out about the plan and enabled it by letting the Saudis into the country, keeping jet fighters grounded and/or out of the way and by finally setting off the demolition charges they planted in the THREE towers that were dropped on 9/11 and fired the missile that hit the Pentagon after some trigger happy jet jockeys shot down flight 93 (they weren't supposed to).

False Flag all the way!

But the shrub was kept out of the loop for oh, so many reasons... Hell, Condi was probably kept out of the loop to 'cause she's a gurl...

[ocd liberal]

22. Argh!

More to the point, "keep yourself surrounded with children and stay there."

Assholes, every single lying one of them.

[XemaSab]

25. How is is that we're in 2010

and DU still doesn't have a "wanker" smilie for times such as this? :shrug:

[Psephos]

89. good question! n/t

[marasinghe]

26. fucking vampires inside a bunker - don't need air to breathe.

and still not one major story - on british, or us tv - about a single iraqi child, of the hundreds of thousands killed by these stinking mass-murdering assholes.
and counting ....

[skypilot]

34. Is she writing screenplays for Michael Bay now?

*

[joeybee12]

35. Aw, isn't that sweet of Condo-liar to lie to try and rehabilitate the coward's image...

...she's such a worthless tool.

[bushisanidiot]

36. Oh, that's made up B.S.! AWOL Bush would NEVER take orders from a woman.

NEVER! He ran away like a scared little boy and hid behind his momma's skirt.

Nice try, Condi. Guess there's another oil tanker about to be named after you or something?

[Art_from_Ark]

39. Rice ordered bu$h to stay put

because she and Cheney were "sheltering" together.

[yurbud]

42. I thought she meant the time Bush asked her if he could go potty at UN:

Story: http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2005/09/bush-asks-condi-if-he-can-go-potty-may.html

[Enrique]

44. Rice: stay there and finish My Pet Goat!

Bush: but it's too hard!

[opihimoimoi]

46. 1st WIMP was loaded all the time....his face revealed doi doi time..Condi is revising history

[Rex]

47. Kinda Sleazy Rice would say or do anything to promote the RWing agenda

and I smell history being rewritten by a half-witted liar.

[truthisfreedom]

50. I guess we now know who wore the pants.

[slackmaster]

51. She spoke to him as if he was a dog

Hey, wait a minute...

[Renew Deal]

52. New Documentary: Condi Rice Yelled at Bush on 9/11

Source: AOL

(Sept. 7) -- Condoleezza Rice shouted on the phone at President George W. Bush during the initial chaos after the 9/11 attacks and ordered him to stay away from the nation's capital. Then she hung up on him.

In a History Channel documentary that will be shown Thursday, two days before the ninth anniversary of the terrorist attacks, Rice says she got a phone call from the president after the second jetliner rammed the World Trade Center in New York. He was visiting a school in Florida and said he was coming back to Washington, where the Pentagon was struck by a third plane and rumors spread of a car bombing near the State Department.

No way, Rice told him.

''I said, 'You cannot come back here. The United States of America is under attack, you have to go to safety. We don't know what is going on here.'"

When the commander in chief persisted, Rice says she put down the phone.
"I said to him in a raised voice, and I had never raised my voice to the president before, I said, 'You cannot come back here.' I hung up," Britain's Independent reported today.

"The president was quite annoyed with me, to say the least," she said.

The documentary, "9-11: State of Emergency," also contains interviews with military leaders including former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, rescue workers, military members and survivors of the Pentagon and World Trade Center attacks.

Rice describes a chaotic White House struggling to function in an underground bunker as communication systems failed and the president was forced to communicate with staff over an unsecured line.

The bunker where she hid with Vice President Dick Cheney and other staff began to run out of air.

''There were so many people in the bunker that the oxygen levels started dropping, and the secret service came in and said we've got to get some people out of here, she said, according to London's Daily Mail. "'They literally went around telling people that they weren't essential and they had to leave."

Read more: http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/new-documentary-condoleezza-rice-yelled-at-george-w-bush-on-911/19623348

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Just like Jr. to not listen to his most knowledgable people. Some things never change.

[TwilightGardener]

53. LOL. Does anyone care?

[sandnsea]

54. Revisionism begins

By the time they're done, they'll have W making Reagan look like the teetering old codger he really was.

[Vincardog]

55. I do not believe any one had to FORCE the cowering coward and thief to stay away from DC.

[DebbieCDC]

68. Spot on Vincardog!

[louis-t]

56. Did she say "I'm in charge here"?

Just wondering.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

57. "History" Channel? Guess they finally wore out the "Nostradamus" tape and had to find other fiction

Seriously, this is revisionist crap.

Then again, what the hell happened to the "History" channel?

[rurallib]

73. Amen - little history on history channel

more like - 'here is what I wish happened' channel.

[caraher]

77. It's been crap for years

I'm all for history from a people's perspective, but tossing out the tagline "history happens every day" doesn't mean there's any lasting historical value in shows about pawn shops and ice road truckers, let alone all the pseudoscience and religion irrationality-fests they're wont to air. At least when it was Hitler all the time there was some pretense of trying to get things right.

[rucky]

87. Here's a chart to prove it:

[Doremus]

74. LOL They needed something to run after the Swamp People & this seemed like a natural. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

75. They seem to have been taken over...

By fundies

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

58. Why didn't someone simply punch some air holes in the lid?

Either that or just remember these two words: "Screen Door"...

[AndyA]

59. I guess all of this must have happened right before Bush came flying into town

with his red cape and blue tights outfit on, single-handedly saving everyone in the burning WTC buildings, and holding them up all by himself, preventing their collapse, which saved untold others down on the ground. That was the day Bush saved America.

Right? :eyes:

[Botany]

60. Time to re-write history

n/t

[thereismore]

61. Who the fuck cares they are all criminals. nt

[xultar]

62. We don't know what is going on except for that warning we got.

FUCKERS
:grr:

[BeyondGeography]

63. Bunch of scare-dy cats

If Democrats had reacted like that we'd still be hearing what a bunch of pussies they were.

[The_Commonist]

64. She told her husb... er... the President not to come home?

Actually, I thought it was OK at the time for him to not head right back to Washington.
Maybe the only thing he ever did that I agreed with.

[superconnected]

65. but but, I thought Christians were supposed to obey their husbands, not yell at them!

[LiberalLovinLug]

66. Phones don't work, air supply runs out

Wow, with the trillions the USA spends on the war machine, you'd think they'd have all these systems up to date.

I guess they don't concentrate on the DEFENSIVE end of things all that much.


"The bunker where she hid with Vice President Dick Cheney and other staff began to run out of air."

I won't say it...

[Politicalboi]

67. WTF?

Rice says she got a phone call from the president after the second jetliner rammed the World Trade Center in New York.

I don't see a phone in his hand? Oh you mean he waited as to not frighten the children to call and see WTF is going on. Or wait! Wasn't Bill Clinton President when 9/11 happened? LOL!

[superconnected]

71. He looks guilty - like caught red handed with blood on his hands.

[onethatcares]

78. "oh shit, they did it. now what?"

I don't have the words to express my revulsion for that thing.

[Botany]

86. and he said that he had seen the first plane hit the WTC on t.v. before ...

.... he went into the school room except that he didn't have access to a t.v. @ the school and the video of the
the first strike was not broadcast until after he had started w/ the kids in the classroom.

but if only their had been some sort of warning then he would have done something

[alcibiades_mystery]

69. Pffffffffftt

Bushian Recuperation Narrative, full speed ahead.

What drivel from the ultimate pack of liars.

[aggiesal]

70. I think she slammed down the phone, then yelled at him. nt

[rhett o rick]

81. Why? She knew he couldnt hurt her. He wasnt in charge. nm

[cactusfractal]

72. Lovers' Quarrel... n/t

[Blue Owl]

76. Wow, it's all so believable

just like the official story...

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

82. +

[pjt7]

79. This is pure baloney

Start here for the truth & go deeper:

http://vodpod.com/watch/3484330-loose-change-911-an-american-coup

[rhett o rick]

80. I dont think Cheney requires any oxygen. nm

[BlueIris]

90. Meet the G.O.P. vice-presidential nom in 2012, kids.

We'll be seeing a lot more of Rice in the news in the next few months, as they try to fluff up her image as that of a national leader.

[savalez]

94. We'll have to remind everyone about her ignoring the terrorist attack warnings from the CIA.

[savalez]

93. "Stay put! You're too dumb for this!"

[fascisthunter]

96. yuh... she ordered him....

okeedokee

[Zorra]

105. Oh, but it's twoo! It's twoo!

After all, would someone that has an oil tanker named after her lie?

[dflprincess]

106. George loved it when Condi took charge

:evilgrin:

[ProudDad]

109. Yeah, George...

Don't come back to the White House or Cheney will do to you what he did to the folks in the towers and Pentagon...

[FMBM]

111. As much as I don't want to excuse Mr. Bush's reaction...

I have to believe that this is probably true... it was a very confusing time... nobody understood the scope of the attack, nobody knew what was next..

They executed the plans that were drawn up years before... the plans that called for the President to to fly to a secure location with communications...

Similar plans I hope Mr. Obama will follow if necessary...

Fortunately the attack was of limited scope...

But with the unfortunate result that the US was left wondering "Where is the President?". In that particular circumstance, viewed with hindsight, it would have been better for Mr. Bush to fly back to DC immediately..., but hindsight is a wonderful thing... I only wish I could apply it to many circumstances in my own life!

[aggiesal]

113. They knew exactly what was going on ...

Leon Panetta's testimony to the 9/11 commission says it all.

(Not word for word)
Panetta was in Cheney's bunker on 9/11/01, when an Air Force
Major enters the room and announced 30 miles and closing.
A bit later, 20 miles and closing.
Then again "ten miles out...". This time the Air Force Major
asked Cheney "do the orders still stand, sir?",
to which Cheney responds "Of course they still stand.
Has anyone told you anything different?"
The Air Force Major leaves and never returns. 10 minutes later
reports that the pentagon had been hit reaches the bunker.

[Raster]

116. Yep. That one has *almost* disappeared down the memory hole.

One wonders what ever happened to that Air Force Major... permanent posting to the Arctic Circle? Front line duty in Iraqastan?

The next year or so should be quite interesting. If some of the underground rumors are true and that cheney* is quite ill, I wonder if cheney*'s death will spark people like that Air Force Major to finally come forward and tell what they know.

I also look with glee to Poodle Blair's abortive attempts at rehabilitation.

And isn't it amazing the Colin Powell is trying to polish up the ol' historical perspective.

Next year is the 10th anniversary of the new Pearl Harbor-type event. I wonder what the future holds?

[KamaAina]

115. Rice *ordered* Bush*?!

I thought only Cheney could give orders to Bush*. :P