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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 05:58 PM
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Major US veterans group condemns planned Koran burning
Edited on Tue Sep-07-10 06:04 PM by Turborama
Source: AFP

A top US veterans group on Tuesday blasted a planned Koran burning to mark nine years since the September 11th strikes as the work of "religious extremists" whose gesture would endanger US forces.

"There is nothing to be gained and everything to lose from this selfish act," said Richard Eubank, leader of the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW), the largest US combat veterans organization with 1.5 million members. "Our war is against a small number of religious extremists who kill indiscriminately and without remorse. Let's not allow an equally small number of religious extremists in America to widen the war," said Eubank.

Eubank deplored that the action, planned for Saturday by a Florida Christian evangelical church, risked outweighing years of US actions that he described as having built up goodwill among Muslims toward the United States.

"No one will remember the tremendous multi-national coalition that freed Kuwait back in 1991, or America's huge humanitarian response in Indonesia after the 2005 tsunami or this year's disastrous flooding in Pakistan. The only thing Muslims will remember and our enemies will exploit was American laws permitted American citizens to burn the Islamic holy book without consequence," he said.

The VFW stressed in a statement at that the "self-serving" move would "fuel anti-American sentiment for years" and further endanger US forces in places like Afghanistan.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jMc4rBsfvVexYQMO48aH81uRJhFQ



I seem to remember something about stopping the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Kosovo in the 90s, too.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:04 PM
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1. Kinda hard to get people to give a shit about "goodwill among Muslims"
when so many believe that ALL Muslims are our enemy.

Then again, those same people were pro-war when it came to "Iraqi Freedom" so I am not expecting them to make any sense.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:29 PM
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2. Surely, there is a point where free speech crosses the line to the point
where criminal charges can be brought if someone is killed because of it. If this causes another 911, this nut should be charged for inciting.

I heard him on several shows today and he knows what he is doing, but is going to do it anyway. No remorse for what happens. That isn't what the forefathers meant by free speech.

AND, I don't think that is what being a Christian is about. Certainly no teaching I had. Shame on him.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 07:30 PM
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6. So if Muslims burn the Bible
And a Christian goes on a killing spree because of it, should the Muslims be charged?

Or what if an anti-war protester burns a flag and some uber-patriotic person kills in response. Is the anti-war protester to blame for inciting?

The only reason this "crosses the line" is because there are idiots willing to commit murder in response to these idiot protesters. You have two groups of intolerant people except one resorts to violence. The blame lies solely with those that raise it to a level of violence.
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 07:42 PM
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7. Muslims would probably not burn the Bible.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 08:55 PM
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9. Some do.
Another DU thread had links to Bible desecration.

And they have the right to.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 07:53 PM
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8. You're obviously missing the bigger picture. I think you should read this...
Beyond Park 51: Religious Leaders Denounce Anti-Muslim Bigotry and Call for Respect for America’s Tradition of Religious Liberty


As religious leaders in this great country, we have come together in our nation’s capital to denounce categorically the derision, misinformation and outright bigotry being directed against America’s Muslim community. We bear a sacred responsibility to honor America’s varied faith traditions and to promote a culture of mutual respect and the assurance of religious freedom for all. In advance of the ninth anniversary of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, we announce a new era of interfaith cooperation.

As Jews, Christians, and Muslims, we are grateful to live in this democracy whose Constitution guarantees religious liberty for all. Our freedom to worship in congregations of our own choosing, to give witness to our moral convictions in the public square, and to maintain institutions that carry out our respective missions—all of these are bedrock American freedoms that must be vigorously guarded and defended lest they be placed at peril. The United States of America has been a beacon to the world in defending the rights of religious minorities, yet it is also sadly true that at times in our history particular groups have been singled out for unjust discrimination and have been made the object of scorn and animosity by those who have either misconstrued or intentionally distorted the vision of our founders.

In recent weeks, we have become alarmed by the anti-Muslim frenzy that has been generated over the plans to build an Islamic community center and mosque at the Park 51 site near Ground Zero in New York City. We recognize that the vicinity around the former World Trade Center, where 2,752 innocent lives were cruelly murdered on 9/11, remains an open wound in our country, especially for those who lost loved ones. Persons of conscience have taken different positions on the wisdom of the location of this project, even if the legal right to build on the site appears to be unassailable. Our concern here is not to debate the Park 51 project anew, but rather to respond to the atmosphere of fear and contempt for fellow Americans of the Muslim faith that the controversy has generated.

We are profoundly distressed and deeply saddened by the incidents of violence committed against Muslims in our community, and by the desecration of Islamic houses of worship. We stand by the principle that to attack any religion in the United States is to do violence to the religious freedom of all Americans. The threatened burning of copies of the Holy Qu’ran this Saturday is a particularly egregious offense that demands the strongest possible condemnation by all who value civility in public life and seek to honor the sacred memory of those who lost their lives on September 11. As religious leaders, we are appalled by such disrespect for a sacred text that for centuries has shaped many of the great cultures of our world, and that continues to give spiritual comfort to more than a billion Muslims today.

We are committed to building a future in which religious differences no longer lead to hostility or division between communities. Rather, we believe that such diversity can serve to enrich our public discourse about the great moral challenges that face our nation and our planet. On the basis of our shared reflection, we insist that no religion should be judged on the words or actions of those who seek to pervert it through acts of violence; that politicians and members of the media are never justified in exploiting religious differences as a wedge to advance political agendas or ideologies; that bearing false witness against the neighbor—something condemned by all three of our religious traditions—is inflicting particular harm on the followers of Islam, a world religion that has lately been mischaracterized by some as a “cult.”

We call for a new day in America when speaking the truth about one another will embrace a renewed commitment to mutual learning among religions. Leaders of local congregations have a special responsibility to teach with accuracy, fairness and respect about other faith traditions. The partnerships that have developed in recent years between synagogues and churches, mosques and synagogues, and churches and mosques should provide a foundation for new forms of collaboration in interfaith education, inter-congregational visitations, and service programs that redress social ills like homelessness and drug abuse. What we can accomplish together is, in very many instances, far more than we can achieve working in isolation from one another. The good results of a more extensive collaboration between religious congregations and national agencies will undoubtedly help to heal our culture, which continues to suffer from the open wound of 9/11.

We work together on the basis of deeply held and widely shared values, each supported by the sacred texts of our respective traditions. We acknowledge with gratitude the dialogues between our scholars and religious authorities that have helped us to identify a common understanding of the divine command to love one’s neighbor. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all see an intimate link between faithfulness to God and love of neighbor; a neighbor who in many instances is the stranger in our midst. We are united in our conviction that by witnessing together in celebration of human dignity and religious freedom; by working together for interfaith understanding across communities and generations; and by cooperating with each other in works of justice and mercy for the benefit of society, all of us will demonstrate our faithfulness to our deepest spiritual commitments.

We are convinced that spiritual leaders representing the various faiths in the United States have a moral responsibility to stand together and to denounce categorically derision, misinformation or outright bigotry directed against any religious group in this country. Silence is not an option. Only by taking this stand, can spiritual leaders fulfill the highest calling of our respective faiths, and thereby help to create a safer and stronger America for all of our people.

ATTENDEES

Rev. Father Mark Arey
Director, Inter-Orthodox Ecumenical and Interfaith Relations, Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America

Galen Carey
Executive Director of the Office of Governmental Affairs, National Association of Evangelicals

Rev. Richard Cizik
President, New Evangelical Partnership for the Common Good

Dr. Gerald L. Durley
Pastor, Providence Missionary Baptist Church

Dr. Mohmaed Elsanousi
Director of Community Outreach, Islamic Society of North America

Prof. Rabbi Nancy Fuchs-Kreimer
Chair, Department of Multifaith Studies and Initiatives, Reconstructionist Rabbinical College

Dr. Welton Gaddy
President, Interfaith Alliance

Rabbi Steve Gutow
Executive Director, Jewish Council for Public Affairs

Rev. Donald Heckman
Director for External Relations, Religions for Peace

Bishop Neil L. Irons
Executive Secretary, Council of Bishops of the United Methodist Church

Mr. Rizwan Jaka
Board Member, Islamic Society of North America

Rev. Rich Killmer
Executive Director, National Religious Campaign Against Torture

Dr. Michael Kinnamon
General Secretary, National Council of Churches (NCC)

Imam Mohamed Hag Magid
Vice President, Islamic Society of North America

Rev. Steven D. Martin
Executive Director, New Evangelical Partnership for the Common Good

Father James Massa
Executive Director, Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB)

Rabbi Jose Rolando Matalon
Rabbi, Congregation B’nai Jeshurun

Dr. Ingrid Mattson
President, Islamic Society of North America

Cardinal Theodore McCarrick
Archbishop Emeritus of Washington, Archdiocese of Washington

Bishop Donald J. McCoid
Executive for Ecumenical and Inter-Religious Relations, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA)

Dr. Roy Medley
General Secretary, American Baptist Churches

Rabbi Jack Moline
Director of Public Policy, Rabbinical Assembly

Mr. Nicholas Richardson
Communications Director, Archdiocese of New York

Pastor Bob Roberts
Pastor, Northwood Church in Keller, Texas

Mr. Walter Ruby
Muslim-Jewish Relations Program Officer, Foundation of Ethnic Understanding

Rabbi David Saperstein
Executive Director, The Union for Reform Judaism (URJ)

Rabbi Marc Schneier
President, Foundation of Ethnic Understanding

Rabbi Julie Schonfeld
Executive Vice President, The Rabbinical Assembly, the Association of Conservatives Rabbis

Dr. Parvez Shah
Secretary General, Universal Muslim Association of America

Bishop Mark Sisk
Bishop of New York City, The Episcopal Church

Dr. Sayyid M. Syeed
National Director, Islamic Society of North America

Rabbi Steve Wernick
Executive Director, United Synagogue

Mr. Jim Winkler
General Secretary for Church and Society, United Methodist Church

Mr. Safaa Zarzour
Secretary General, Islamic Society of North America

Dr. James Zogby
President, Arab American Institute

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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 08:57 PM
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10. What does this have to do with my response
to the post saying that this free speech crosses the line and they should be legally held responsible?
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 09:27 PM
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11. You said "The blame lies solely with those that raise it to a level of violence"
Read what that interfaith statement says again.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:43 PM
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3. VFW is actually serving a useful purpose for once?
Will miracles never cease?
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:46 PM
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4. He makes the same point I do...
Many of these people do not forget...some of them are still fighting over things that happened 5-6 generations ago. While we look at it as a some form of Free Speech, (I think anyone who burns any book, would just as soon be capable of burning people), it will not be seen that way by 99.8% of the rest of the country or the world. This "preacher" needs to get off his high horse and if he wants to do something, he can join the Army as a Chaplain. Best thing he can do though, is shut up and sit down. He's not endangering himself, but others, and that should be a criminal offense.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 07:01 PM
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5. Someone needs to
idenify ever one of these nazi book burners so that they can be indivually chastized and denied service if the store owner so feels.
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