India protests Ohio offshoring ban

[OhioChick]

Source: The Economic Times of India

9 Sep, 2010, 03.35AM IST, Amiti Sen,ET Bureau

NEW DELHI: The Indian government has protested the US state of Ohio’s decision to ban offshoring of government work to countries such as India, saying governor Ted Strickland’s decision violates the commitment made by G20 countries to fight protectionism.

Commerce secretary Rahul Khullar recently lodged a compliant against the decision with deputy US trade representative Michael Punke.

“Such restrictions have to go,” Mr Khullar said, adding that protectionist moves were not acceptable to India. The issue will also figure prominently in the India-US trade policy forum meeting later this month. It will be attended by commerce and industry minister Anand Sharma and US trade representative Ron Kirk.

The G20, a grouping of both developed and emerging economies, including India, had proclaimed last year that it would not repeat the mistakes of protectionism committed in previous eras.


Read more: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/India-Inc-slams-offshoring-ban-by-Ohio/articleshow/6521596.cms

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A continuation of this article:

Ohio bans offshoring as it gives tax relief to outsourcing firm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4531217

As far as "protectionism" goes:

Expatriate executives making way for local hires

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Jobs/Expatriate_executives_making_way_for_local_hires/articleshow/4039529.cms

[msongs]

1. India can drop dead nt

[customerserviceguy]

87. Yes, but they'll just reincarnate. n/t

[Confusious]

2. they can F*** themselves

they have to have state jobs too?

[OhioChick]

4. That's what really gets me....

These are STATE jobs and should remain within the state, held by US citizens.

[LiberalEsto]

85. +10

Indeed they can go fuck themselves.

We don't OWE them jobs. They should be creating their own jobs in India, not stealing our jobs.

[ChromeFoundry]

3. I protest India's protest... so there!

This is a government by the people, for the people... people meaning citizens... about damn time the government put citizens ahead of closed-door deals.

We have enough arrogant and shoddy quality people right here to do the work! We don't need to look overseas to find even worse quality.

India can protest all they want... (and they will since 61% of their economy is driven by the US outsourcing revenue stream) and the end of the day they will still be told to go-pound-sand.

[musette_sf]

19. +1K

[awoke_in_2003]

66. I am calling for a boycott...

on curry. Who is with me? :)

[pscot]

5. Bwaah-hah-hah-ha

:rofl:

[UndertheOcean]

6. Anyone is free to protest anything.

I protest bunnies

[nyy1998]

12. I don't blame you

They look pretty evil to me too.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

15. Thanks for making your point without bigotry or xenophobia. -nt

[JJ]

97. seems to be a bunny bigot...

and leporiphobic as well.


...just sayin'

[Codeine]

20. It's the Vorpal Bunnies that scare me.

[awoke_in_2003]

68. "He's got big, sharp...

LOOK AT THE BONES"

[awoke_in_2003]

67. Ummm, I am hungry now. nt

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[johnroshan]

8. Screw the whole G20 and the agreements they make!

Not just the outsourcing, the "free" market too.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

9. I think governments have to protect their peoples' interest.

I want the Brazilian government to be partial to Brazilian industry in its purchases. It's perfectly OK for any other government to do likewise.

[BillH76]

28. Outsourcing is wrecking all the gains of the US working class.

Illegal immigration is a partner in the wrecking job.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

32. This thread, you realize, isn't about that. -nt

[DainBramaged]

99. Hmmmmm really?

People looking for day jobs are more of a threat than college educated workers?

[boppers]

59. You *want* american code exports to be less advantaged in other countries?

I'm not sure I follow.

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

16. Thanks crew, for the cleanup.

The stink is almost gone by now.

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[OhioChick]

22. Referring to me?

I'm in the IT field and live in Ohio.

If you're going to call me out.....just do it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

33. No, wait, let me guess: Ending in three letters where there should be two?

[DainBramaged]

91. What did I miss?

:evilgrin:

[ChromeFoundry]

23. Hell, call me out on it too...I live in Ohio

Unless you're making a comparision of Pakistan and you living in India. Then, I guess that makes you the bigot.

[Turborama]

27. Indeed

I missed what was going on but it sure looks like some nasty shit has been sorted out.

[awoke_in_2003]

70. i see you touched some ones nerve...

you damn heathen atheist :hi:

[JoeyT]

18. While I can understand why they'd protest it,

and where they're coming from: that's just too bad. Given the damage our middle class and poor have taken over the last decade or two, it's time to start engaging in some protectionism. The G20 can go piss up a rope.

[KakistocracyHater]

93. I see India as engaging its' own form of protectionism-to OUR jobs as

written out in some crap-ass G20 wordy wordy. They do not-or should not-get priority over locals here, else I'd like to turn the tables on THEM. Have Americans get priority over buying land in India, how would they feel about that?

[golfguru]

24. Will this end up in the World court in Hague?

That court is the ultimate decider of all issues between countries.

[ChromeFoundry]

39. No.

Ohio isn't a country and has no UN representation.
Plus, the ICJ has only delivered 88 judgments since 1946... you really think this is a high priority?

It absolutely absurd to think that India believes that they have rights to state government jobs and contracts. Do they also think that they have the right to compete against classified military contracts?

[pampango]

48. India doesn't even have any right to bid on our federal contracts. Only 40 countries have agreed to

allow each other to bid on federal/national procurement expenditures on a nondiscriminatory basis. The biggest are the EU countries, the US and Canada. India is not on the list (nor are China, Mexico or any other Third World country, unless you count South Korea or Taiwan).

http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/gproc_e/memobs_e.htm#parties

The Indian Commerce secretary must know this. He may just be protesting too loudly to impress his domestic audience knowing he doesn't have leg to stand on. ;)

[ChromeFoundry]

49. So this will be the topic of next weeks protesting! lol n/t

[Joanne98]

46. No the WTO does that!

[KillCapitalism]

25. Booh-hoo poor India.

They might actually have to create a few jobs of their own instead of stealing ours.

[HEyHEY]

30. How did "they" steal your job?

Your job was given to them, talk to your exboss.

[NashVegas]

37. Are You Aware of The Modern Business Climate?

Engaging in competition stopped being about building a better mousetrap some time ago. Now it's all about getting access to enough debt to allow you to slash the price of your mousetrap to the point where the other mouse-trap companies who, you know, pay their workers a decent wage, can't afford to stay in business without acquiring even more debt.

This is what has us all teetering on the brink.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

38. Exactly. Hence, "talk to your exboss". -nt

[47of74]

26. They can go to hell as far as I am concerned

[HEyHEY]

31. Many of them have and will die before you. So, you're hopes are happenign all the time

Talk to your company instead of blaming poor people for your troubles.

[ChromeFoundry]

40. I believe he was referring to India...

as a country protesting the State of Ohio's decision.

Not the 66% of the Indian population that the Indian government does nothing to bring out of poverty, that you are referencing.

[Vehl]

42. facts pls

Not the 66% of the Indian population that the Indian government does nothing to bring out of poverty, that you are referencing.

Really? Do you have any facts to back up this claim of yours?

India halved its poverty in the past 25 years alone.An Amazing feat....considering that its a nation of more than a Billion people. btw this data is till the year 2000(1975-2000) ...the period of 2000-2010 was the most dynamic period in India's economy...Thus the rate in which people move up from under the poverty line is bound to have increased.

Maybe you ought to check the facts before pulling numbers out of Thin air.




pls don't bring in the "India is poor....holy cow....holy men"...line of arguments...they are getting old real fast.And don't blame people for being poor...after all it sure was not their fault that they were robbed blind the past 2 centuries.Robbing on a scale unseen before in the history of the world.Which resulted in a nation that had more than 25% of the entire world's GDP becoming one that held only 5% of the world GDP.One should thank the Indian government for quietly going about uplifting its poor without crying the wholesale colonial robbery.

[ChromeFoundry]

44. Re: FACTS

Internationally, an income of less than $1 per day per head of purchasing power parity is defined as extreme poverty. By this estimate, about 40% percent of Indians are extremely poor. Income-based poverty lines consider the bare minimum income to provide basic food requirements; it does not account for other essentials such as health care and education. That is why some times the poverty lines have been described as starvation lines.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Below_Poverty_Line

Starvation and Poverty are very different leagues.
If 40% are among the group I would consider Starvation... 66% is a low estimation of the count that is classified in my culture's understanding of Poverty.

[Vehl]

50. Re:Re facts

If 40% are among the group I would consider Starvation... 66% is a low estimation of the count that is classified in my culture's understanding of Poverty.

Earning 100k in NY would not mean much, but earning 100K in the midwest would mean something very different. The same applies regarding countries as well.

while no one is denying that poverty exists in India, the point I'm trying to make is that your claim about Indian government not doing anything to combat poverty is false. The claim that India did nothing to alleviate poverty would be patently false, as the graph shows. Furthermore, do you not think that 200-250 Million people crossing the poverty line within the past 25 years alone(or according to your region-centric definition, the "starvation line") a laudable feat by itself?


I'm still awaiting the evidence to substantiate your claim that "the Indian government does nothing to help its poor". the onus is on the accuser , yet I have gone ahead and submitted evidence to support my stance, pray do provide some to support yours.

regards

[ChromeFoundry]

52. re: re:re: weeeeeeeee

Furthermore, do you not think that 200-250 Million people crossing the poverty line within the past 25 years alone(or according to your region-centric definition, the "starvation line") a laudable feat by itself?

That would be great if it the numbers were still accurate. That was Y2K numbers... when India used non-standard (not world-adopted) methods for calculating poverty. They have recently come closer to real numbers by adopting the Tendulkar Committee's methodology for poverty estimate. With these changes, India now has 100 million more people living below the poverty line than in 2004 because some health and education costs are now included within the calculation.

By using the Tendulkar method, "over 370 million Indians -- 40 per cent of the population -- now qualify for subsidized food supplies."

"India's poor has been hit by the sharp rise in food prices -- the official index indicates that food price inflation has varied between 18 per cent and 20 per cent in recent months."

"The Indian government spends only 1% of its gross domestic product (GDP) on healthcare facilities, forcing millions to struggle to get medicines"

If India based its poverty on having enough money to purchase 2400 calories/day; and considering that 70% of India's population lives in rural areas. The percentage of India's rural population living in poverty would rise to about 80 per cent. So at minimum, 80% of 70% of the entire population of India cannot afford a minimum daily caloric intake.

Source:
How poverty is calculated in India
http://business.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/apr/21/slide-show-1-bcrisis-how-poverty-is-calculated-in-india.htm#contentTop

Also, it is often very difficult to believe any of the numbers that come out of India when you read articles such as this one...

One in three Indians 'utterly corrupt': Former CV
- The Times of India
Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/One-in-three-Indians-utterly-corrupt-Former-CVC/articleshow/6518255.cms

So... at the end of the day, India could do more for their own citizens in poverty, as could the US. Instead of wasting time on protesting Ohio's Governor's decision... maybe they should use that protesting energy to help the poor in their country a little more, rather than trying to put people in the USA (specifically Ohio) into the poverty class by making bold statements that our government's jobs should legally be open for bid by anyone under the sun.

[Vehl]

61. Thank you for proving my point :)

By using the Tendulkar method, "over 370 million Indians -- 40 per cent of the population -- now qualify for subsidized food supplies."

A hefty 20% less than the claim made by you. :)

"The Indian government spends only 1% of its gross domestic product (GDP) on healthcare facilities, forcing millions to struggle to get medicines"

maybe you should look at things within the proper context.
1% of the GDP is 12.5 Billion.
Is that enough? nope. But is that a quite considerable sum for a developing nation? yes.

India spends the Lion's share of its GDP on agriculture/manufacture areas, Areas that create new jobs and raise the standard of living of people.

Maybe you should take a look at the post made by Pampango

Our income inequality is much worse than India. Their government may take better care of their poor

Our index of inequality (GINI) is 40.8 while India's is 36.8. (The higher the number the greater the inequality.) India's richest 10% make 8.6 times what their poorest 10% make. The US' richest 10% make 15.9 times what the poorest 10% make. (By comparison the figure for Germany is 6.9 with a GINI of 28.3.)

By any measure India's poor, while still much poorer than our own, get a much more equitable share of the national economic pie than the American poor do.

Nice try with the "the Indian government does nothing to bring out of poverty" statement, but it falls flat in the face of available evidence.

So... at the end of the day, India could do more for their own citizens in poverty, as could the US. Instead of wasting time on protesting Ohio's Governor's decision... maybe they should use that protesting energy to help the poor in their country a little more, rather than trying to put people in the USA (specifically Ohio) into the poverty class by making bold statements that our government's jobs should legally be open for bid by anyone under the sun.

Most laudable objectives, most lofty thoughts. Truly an elevating sermon.
However I would like to remind you that my posts on this thread were not about this issue,only about the factual inaccuracies in your claim.Its perfectly ok to make a point, but to take poetic license with facts and figures to do so would only be counterproductive.


Having said that if i were to voice my opinion on this issue, yes...India's protest about this Ohio state ban is quite useless and silly.

cheers :)

[ChromeFoundry]

73. Didn't they teach you basic math...

The article shows how the newly adopted Tendulkar method is flawed. Guess you couldn't find anyone to read and explain it to you.

(snap)..(snap)... are you dozing off again.. try and stay focused through an entire paragraph, now, will ya? I know it's tough to not only read the parts that you want too... hey, (snap)..(snap).. pay attention! here's the important stuff!

The key point of the article was that 80% of India's population lives in rural areas. 70% of those in rural areas live below poverty lines established and adopted by most every other country. That alone is 56% of the entire population... Now, if only 4% of the remaining population living on non-rural areas, live in poverty (if you think it is that low, you are living in a fairy-tale), that would bring the total to 60%. So as you can see, 60% is a low estimate.

There, that wasn't too bad. Read it again, that math stuff can be a bit tricky.

[Vehl]

83. I'd Rather go with the world bank figures

India Estimates: Similarly, estimates for India also indicate a continuing decline in poverty. The revised estimates suggest that the percentage of people living below $1.25 a day in 2005 (which, based on India’s PPP rate, works out to Rs 21.6 a day in urban areas and Rs 14.3 in rural areas in 2005 ) decreased from 60% in 1981 to 42% in 2005. Even at a dollar a day ( Rs 17.2 in urban areas and Rs 11.4 in rural areas in 2005 ) poverty declined from 42% to 24% over the same period.

Both the dollar a day and $1.25 measures indicate that India has made steady progress against poverty since the 1980s, with the poverty rate declining at a little under one percentage point per year. This means that the number of very poor people who lived below a dollar a day in 2005 has come down from 296 million in 1981 to 267 million in 2005.

However, the number of poor people living under $1.25 a day has increased from 421 million in 1981 to 456 million in 2005. This indicates that there are a large number of people living just above this line of deprivation (a dollar a day) and their numbers are not falling.

To achieve a higher rate of poverty reduction, India will need to address the inequalities in opportunities that impede poor people from participating in the growth process.



http://www.worldbank.org.in/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/SOUTHASIAEXT/INDIAEXTN/0,,contentMDK:21880725~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:295584,00.html

A constant effort to improve data

“Data are never perfect, though they are getting better over time,” said Shaida Badiee, Director of the Bank’s Development Data Group. “The World Bank works constantly with partners in developing countries to improve data quality and access to data.”

An example of statistical improvement is the addition of price surveys for China to the 2005 round of the ICP. Many developing economies did not participate in earlier ICP rounds, but the 2005 ICP covered 146 countries including China.

The quality of the price data being collected has also improved over time, with product listings being specified in much greater detail. For example, in the 2005 ICP surveys, six different kinds of rice were classified by eight price-determining characteristics to ensure comparability between countries. In total, more than 1,000 products were included in the price surveys.

Ravallion notes that the scope and availability of household surveys of income and consumption have also improved vastly. “The latest poverty estimates draw on 675 household surveys for 116 developing countries, representing 96 percent of the developing world,” he said. “Yet 20 years ago we could only do these calculations properly for 22 countries. That is great progress in our knowledge about poverty in the world.”

http://econ.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/EXTDEC/EXTRESEARCH/0,,contentMDK:21882162~pagePK:64165401~piPK:64165026~theSitePK:469382,00.html

Btw what say you about the income equality figures?

[ChromeFoundry]

47. ...and HUH?

And don't blame people for being poor...after all it sure was not their fault that they were robbed blind the past 2 centuries.

Since when does stating that the poor not being the source of the protests against Ohio's decision... become me blaming the poor for be poor? Sheez, taffy anyone?

[Vehl]

51. Re: huh

That was to put the reasons for India's poverty in perspective. After all, it was you who claimed that the indian government does nothing to help its poor.

[ChromeFoundry]

53. re:re:re: errrrrrr

And still... that has nothing to do with you claiming that I, "blame people for being poor".

So, in other words... you wanted people to think i said that. But now that you see I didn't, rather than admit you were wrong, you had to go and use the ol' "needed some perspective at 'your' expense."

And then follow that up with an "After all, it was you... 'and here is something completely unrelated'" quote.

Seriously????

[Vehl]

63. re

read the paragraph from which the lines are from


"pls don't bring in the "India is poor....holy cow....holy men"...line of arguments.They are getting old real fast.And don't blame people for being poor...after all it sure was not their fault that they were robbed blind the past 2 centuries"


Anyone can see that the point i'm making is that one need not bring in age old stereotypes to support some other point you were making.
Enough of the stereotypes...would it not be better to stick to the point being discussed?

[ChromeFoundry]

71. Please read what I posted...

...and show me where I brought in any age-old stereotypes about India's poor, sacred cows and yogis.

I don't see how India's colonization has anything to do with Governor Strickland's decision to make sure the government jobs in Ohio are not sold out to the cheapest bidder.

Maybe you need to stick to the point being discussed... you must have this thread confused with some conversation you conjured up in your head.

[Skittles]

72. stop arguing with a table leg, CF

you want I should kick your ass?

[ChromeFoundry]

74. sorry, my bad. :o)

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[DainBramaged]

95. The conversation is a diversion, plain and simple.

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96. India, steal American jobs but fail to provide for their lower classes

THAT is what it is all about.


Goodbye

[pampango]

54. Our income inequality is much worse than India. Their government may take better care of their poor

than ours does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Our index of inequality (GINI) is 40.8 while India's is 36.8. (The higher the number the greater the inequality.) India's richest 10% make 8.6 times what their poorest 10% make. The US' richest 10% make 15.9 times what the poorest 10% make. (By comparison the figure for Germany is 6.9 with a GINI of 28.3.)

By any measure India's poor, while still much poorer than our own, get a much more equitable share of the national economic pie than the American poor do.

[Vehl]

62. Thank you

For providing some facts that shed light on the real situation! :)

[totodeinhere]

79. That's all well and good, but none of that excuses exporting any jobs from America to India when we

need those jobs here.

[Vehl]

92. It was not meant as an excuse, i was just pointing out factual errors

on a topic that is quite different from the issue being discussed on this thread.

[HEyHEY]

29. Wow, nice to see you've all fallen for the old "Get the poor to fight the poor" trick again

You act like India has wronged you, India hasn't wronged anyone. Have they nefariously plotted against you? Nope, they've used good old capitalism to try to make the lives of their people better. You want the same thing, so why curse them?

My GF was born in Hennan, China. When she was a child her family "couldn't even afford propaganda!" As she says. She has a twin sister, in the months the rations were not as abundant, they had to split the rations of ONE person cause the government didn't have a system in place for extra rations if you had a twin. Twins were one person to the ration department. She thinks that's why she is so short, malnourishment. Breaks my hear when I think of my sweetie's hungry young belly crying out for food that wasn't there.

She has no photos of herself as a child, cause they had no camera, and neither did anyone in her village.

Now, she makes decent money, and can afford to actually have a life. And here you all sit, acting like it's the fault of these countries for wanting their kids to have better lives. Sod you all.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

34. +Graham's Number

Some people's tendency to overlook the businesses' role in this is telling. Then again, rich businesspeople are not to be hated, only poor furrinahs.

[NashVegas]

35. I Don't Hate Mexicans Coming Here For a Better Life

But I detest the Mexican gov't and its corruption for creating desperate people.

The Indian government which is lodging this protest can go suck it. India's gov't, business leaders and even their average joe IT guys have no right to demand the taxpayers of Ohio, or any other state, make jobs for them while our people are losing theirs.

[HEyHEY]

58. Yeah and that's fine

But there's too many on this thread being racist assholes.

[Heywood J]

55. No, it's their fault for having children when there isn't enough

food to go around. That's a recipe for disaster. It forces people into desperate situations, where they'll willingly be exploited in order to put food on the table, and which helps to create the race to the bottom.

No food, no money, shitty living conditions? Probably not the best idea to procreate until things improve.

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[Heywood J]

81. So they can't feed them, can't clothe them, can't keep them from dying,

but they should go ahead and keep pumping out children anyway? What kind of attitude is that to have, to condemn children to suffering because they're needed to keep their parents alive? Thanks for your concern, chief!

ETA: Come to think of it, that sounds like slavery in its level of exploitation. They know their children are going to suffer horribly (starvation, vitamin deficiency, etc), they know they're going to die a brutal death, but they need their uncompensated labor so that the parents may live a better life. Sounds like a plantation to me. And you're arguing for this to continue?

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[treestar]

64. But people born in America are superior to all others and deserve

first crack at everything! :sarcasm:

[Skittles]

69. with all due respect, HEyHEY

deal with offshore IT folk every night as part of your job and your opinion would change - it is extremely painful watching good people walked out the door and having to train complete nitwits to replace them (case in point: I page an "on-call" in Brazil - she's not home but will be home "in a little over an hour" - WTF - such bullshit would NEVER be tolerated in America).

I'm happy your GF has a nice life but I'm watching people I worked with for years living with despair now - THAT is the price

I've known Americans who grew up in poverty and with hard work made it to the middle class - only to be thrown out because the jobs that SHOULD BE HERE are NOT. It is NOT RIGHT to raise their standard of living of offshore folk while throwing Americans out of work - it completely STINKS.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/us/12shelter.html?_r=1

[HEyHEY]

75. i agree, my point is people need to express anger at the bosses that farm the work out

Not the people of these nations.

[Skittles]

80. I can be angry at them both

the scum-sucking offshoring corporate whores and the nitwit offshore folk

[DainBramaged]

90. No respect is due there.

:evilgrin:

[AngryOldDem]

36. Oh, poor India.

:nopity:

I really don't give a flying fuck what is or is not "acceptable" to India.

If it's "protectionist" to support your own domestic workforce, then so be it.

[Myrina]

41. ... at first glance, I thought ,,,

... why does India care if Ohio is banning offshore drilling? :freak: I need a nap.

[Poll_Blind]

94. Same here- took two reads before I got it through my addled brain. n/t

PB

[mommalegga]

43. Good on Ohio

IT employment picture is terrible. No need to offshore. Plenty of people here to do the work.

[Joanne98]

45. Somebody call the WAAAHMBULANCE!

[sabrina 1]

56. Good for Ohio.

And who gave the G20 permission to make decisions without the approval of the American people. Aren't decisions like throwing away jobs supposed to be made by Congress?

Who do these people work for?

[customerserviceguy]

89. Our elected officials for the past twenty years have supported this

With the Repukes, the reasons are obvious, but why did Bill Clinton and Al Gore support NAFTA, etc.? Why does President Obama still seem to support these international job-robbing agreements?

[sarcasmo]

60. Fighting for our jobs is protectionism? No More work Visas until unemployment is under 5%.

How is that for protectionism India?

[awoke_in_2003]

65. Hey India...

As a Clevelander (yes, I still call myself that): "FUCK YOU" (sorry, I cannot put the proper inflection into type). God, I need a Polish Boy.

[NJGeek]

77. INDIA - go fuck yourself

protest this

[customerserviceguy]

88. According to my reading of the Kama Sutra, they can indeed do this. n/t

[dethl]

86. What part of "government work" does India not understand?

I see outsourcing of any government work to be a MASSIVE security risk.