Doctor shot at Johns Hopkins

[dmallind]

Source: AP

BALTIMORE – Baltimore police say a doctor has been shot at Johns Hopkins hospital and the shooter is holed up inside.

Police department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi says the gunman has barricaded himself in a room.

Guglielmi says the hospital is being evacuated.

He said he doesn't know the doctor's condition.






Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100916/ap_on_re_us/us_hopkins_shooting

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....No data yet but when doctors are shot there's a few possibilities that predominate.

[GOTV]

1. The guy has been caught. No word on the doctor's condition

[jtrockville]

2. Doc is in critical condition. Shooter was upset about mom's care.

Reported by the Baltimore Sun:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-shooting-hopkins-20100916,0,1885569.story

[dmallind]

8. Yep that's one of the few predominant ones.

In a strange way there may be some blame from medical TV shows which portray doctors as superhuman geniuses who can figure out anything and save all patients at the last moment. Even when medical shows (rarely) show deaths there is always some underlying reason that made it impossible for even the greatest doctor to fix things.

Is it any wonder people get upset when there loved ones die in medical care without all the histrionic last second hail marys?

EDIT - trust me I can spell. I just can't type....

[harun]

11. This is actually a huge problem. Doctors support the stereotype so they can

keep getting paid 800K a year. It is a false persona.

Nurses lobbies hate it and fight against it because the same TV shows portray them as doctors slaves or punching bags to blame. When many nurses will know more about a patients problems and how to fix them than the doctors.

[mudderfudder77]

14. Out of Curiosity

What do you think is a fair wage for physicians? Whats a fair scale starting at the bottom (Family practice) and going to the top (Orthopedic surgeon)?

[fasttense]

20. I say no doctor, no matter how good he or she is,

is worth over $500,000 a year. I say the same thing for any CEO or lawyer. No one in the world is worth over $500,000, a year unless they are personally responsible for saving mankind. There is such a thing as too rich. It is a disease.

The highest salaries in America are NOT paid to the most valuable people. Huge salaries usually go to those who can cheat the best, cause people to suffer without conscious, are good at crime and murder, or a member of the lucky sperm club. The bottom line, America rewards the luckiest, no talent or value is needed.

And let me tell you, if you knew some of these rich doctors and CEOs, you would realize how really stupid most rich people really are.

[mudderfudder77]

21. I'l let my wife know.

She's an OB/GYN.


Apparently the 12 years of higher education and 400k in student loans aren't real. She was just 'lucky' and stupid.



If you only knew what it takes to be a Dr.

[krispos42]

33. Is she making more than $500k/year?

And, if we had free or very cheap college for everybody, would that have made it easier on her?

[eridani]

36. If we lived in a civlized country, the government would have paid for her med school

Also subsidized malpractice insurance.

[area51]

39. +1 n/t

[Pavulon]

41. if frogs had wings

they would pay our citibank balance.. til then the pay for e med is fair.

[harun]

26. Giving a high wage for a job like doctor gets our best and brightest to pursue

the career.

I prefer people who have peoples lives in their hands, doctors, pilots, etc. get a real good wage. We want them to be trained, skilled, passionate about what they do, and accountable. That doesn't come cheap.

[Iowa]

37. I'd add care-givers to that list...

For example, the wages paid to nurse aides in nursing homes is criminal. Those people should be making a middle-class wage with decent benefits. I made FAR more for work that wasn't half as difficult.

[Emillereid]

38. My daughter just began USC Medical school and not one

bit of her motivation to become a doctor has anything to do with some potential renumeration. NONE! Now, because she will be taking out huge loan, this view might change. Probably not though -- because there is a program that forgives some of a doctor's debt if they commit so much time to serving in a poor community -- that's where my daughter wants to work anyway so maybe it will work out.

[JoeyT]

40. Sooner or later most jobs involve something that can get people killed.

You're probably about as likely to die from a bad electrician burning your house down on you (Or something similar: bad brake job from a mechanic, etc) as you are from a bad doctor killing you with the wrong drug.

Most pilots make craptastic wages and most are still passionate about it. You can't buy passion. Either they like the job or they don't. Someone that hates being a doctor isn't going to be passionate about it if you pay them a billion dollars a year.

The real reason they have to make a half mil a year is because by the time they get out of school they owe about that in student loans and if they're setting up a private practice they're going to have to borrow at least that again for equipment.

[Dreamer Tatum]

27. I wish I was lucky enough to be given an MD.

I wonder where they hand them out.

[Pavulon]

34. Sorry, lazy fuckers excuse. I live with one. MED school does not care who your mommy was

you work long shitty hours. You get paid shit for insane rotations. And if you fuck up people die or you get sued. So yea, doctors and airline pilots earn it.

We are still paying off my wifes loans. you can only get 250 in gob backed loans after that you are paying a much higher rate.

[harun]

24. I don't care.

They'll get what the market supports and they agree to.

The problem was the false persona of a GOD like figure portrayed on these TV shows that doesn't make mistakes and works magic to heal people and save lives.

[boppers]

43. I'll play:

Family Practice: $45,000
Orthopedic Surgeon: $60,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

My fiancee has been chronically ill for 18 years, and what I've learned is fairly shocking: Doctors, as a general rule, don't know jack shit. They get paid an awful lot of money to pretend like they do, but for the most part, they're over-glorified lab techs, who take samples, and then make guesses. If their guess doesn't work out, they then try something else, and complain about lawsuits for pretending they knew what they were doing.

Here's a shocking adage (that most people in medicine would know):
"When you hear hoof beats, think Horses, not Zebras."
They have *no* idea what the fuck is wrong most of the time, they're just guessing. If they guess a Horse, when it's a Zebra, you're fucked.

Put another way, what do veterinarians make? They're guessing too.

[melm00se]

18. salaries (averages)

Internal Medicine $176000
Ortho Surgeon $459000
Radiology $354000
Family Practice $204000
Ob/Gyn $261000
Psychiatrist $169000
Cardiology $403000
General Surgery $291000

good livings to be sure but nowhere near "800K a year"

[mudderfudder77]

19. Yup - MGMA survey tops out at 650k

There isn't a specialty that averages out at 800k a year.


But even if there was, I'm interested in what s/he believes are 'fair' salaries.

[melm00se]

22. minimum wage?

cuban wage?
they should do it for free as they need to be altruistic?

[harun]

23. Here on the East Coast I know personally a few who make over 800K. Doesn't matter though

really to the point I was making the exact value. 800K on the East Coast is equal to about 200K in Des Moines IA.

This survey max's out at 1,352,000:

http://www.allied-physicians.com/salary_surveys/physician-salaries.htm

Their total salary doesn't bother me.

What I had issue with was the false persona of a GOD like individual who never makes mistakes.

[boppers]

42. ...and people wonder why medical care is so freaking expensive.

...as if it isn't blindingly obvious.

[jtrockville]

13. And it goes without saying...

the doctors at Johns Hopkins are some mighty fine doctors. Maybe even the greatest.

[krispos42]

3. Well, if you have to be shot, Johns Hopkins is probably about the best place for it. n/t

[dmallind]

9. You know you do have a point. Hopefully they didn't evacuate the trauma specialists. NT

[Marengo]

29. I feel guilty for this, but...Ha! That was good. N/T

edited for spelling

[mahatmakanejeeves]

4. Police scanner online

Baltimore City Police Live Feed

[SoapBox]

5. ...goes hand in hand with the NRA mantra...A Gun in Every Hand.

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. I must have missed that one. Point it out, willya? n/t

[rainbow4321]

6. These stories always scare the hell out of me

I work in a medical setting where we have a good number of unstable, prone to agitation patients...we've asked to have a full time police officer from the hospital's police dept stationed in our area and we are told repeatedly the budget won't allow it.
It takes the hospital police a while to get to our area when we do have to call them.
My co workers always say "something has to happen before they give us an officer stationed here". All of our patients come and go despite our clinic doors being locked...they just wait for the back hallway door or waiting room doors to open.

[xchrom]

7. recommend

[Electric Monk]

10. Gunman is dead, shot by police. Just now on CNN. Doctor is in serious but stable condition. nt

[Xenotime]

12. Another state sanctioned murder.

[Electric Monk]

15. or suicide by cop, depending how you look at it. nt

[dmallind]

16. Yes by all means cops should just walk in and arrest people who have proven they will shoot....Sure.

[X_Digger]

17. That word, I don't think it means what you think it means..

"Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought."

[proteus_lives]

25. Really?

Were you in the room?

:eyes:

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[friendly_iconoclast]

32. Good catch! Bookmarked and cached for later use. n/t

[John Kerry VonErich]

31. Nope, killed his mother and then himself

nt

[hayu_lol]

35. Doctors, for the most part, are people who willingly...

gave up a pretty good chunk of their lives to gain skills that most of us could not attain. The pace is brutal and for many, continues on into their practices. Many have shortened life spans as well from the stress.

Just a few hundred years ago, you could get a haircut or a rotten tooth pulled by 'surgeons' or dosed with crap that couldn't work or bled to 'relieve' pressure by 'doctors.' Medicine has come a long way since then and doctors continue to research and learn.

Like any occupation, there are those who are frauds and montebanks. Most try to do the best they know how with what info is available.

Most have earned, through long hours and brutal studies, the incomes they receive.

[boppers]

44. I call BS.

Comparison point: Programmers.

Our field changes daily. Human bodies don't. The vast amount of accumulated knowledge in medicine doesn't matter from day to day, and yet programmers don't get paid more for our 100th strep test or db transform, our 1000th colic diagnosis or batch script.

Do we make $200,000-400,000 a year for doing the same damn work we did fresh from school? Not likely.

Medicine has turned into a weird kind of priesthood, a religion of sorts, in the US. The vast majority are mountebanks. They aren't intentionally deceptive, but their trade feeds on ignorance, and a belief that "a doctor" can fix problems.