*Breaking News* Three houses in Minneapolis raided, other houses in Michigan, NC, Chicago targeted.

[annm4peace]

Source: Indymedia

Submitted by smiley on Fri, 09/24/2010 - 09:20

On Friday morning, three houses in the Minneapolis area were raided by SWAT Teams. While we have few details right now, the F.B.I. appears to be targeting people associated with the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. Besides the raids in Minneapolis, houses in Michigan, North Carolina and Chicago were also targeted.



The Federal search warrants appear to be focusing on seizing electronic devices, international travel, and allegeding "co-conspirators."








Read more: http://twincities.indymedia.org/2010/sep/breaking-news-three-houses-minneapolis-raided-other-houses-michigan-nc-chicago-targeted

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these are also Anti-war, Non=violent activists. Very kind gentle people who organize peace marches and rallies. the support working class and poor. all 3 have jobs, 1 is a teacher and has a baby at home, the other a young child.
Right now in Mpls, the trial for the RNC 8 is about to start and who are charged with Conspiracy.. athough there is no credible evidence.

the fbi is raiding jess sundin's 2911 park ave,

mick kelly below hard times on riverside and

meredith's home on 31st st and 17th ave.

go to one place immediately and spread the word.

What the Fuck is going on??? we have Teabaggers bringing guns to events and FBI is going after peace activists!

[Blue Owl]

1. Meanwhile, KKKarl runs free

This angers me -- there better be a damn good reason for this (which I suspect there isn't)

[Renew Deal]

8. Why does it anger you if you have no idea what's going on?

Do you know the specific people involved? Do you take Indymedia at their word that these are innocent peace activists? Indymedia isn't really a news source. They're local activists themselves.

[Scruffy1]

20. I do know these people and

It just sound like more BS. On my way downtown.

[Downwinder]

22. Keep us informed. n/t

[EFerrari]

24. Because the FBI has a long history of illegal activity including murder

against peaceful political activists? You think?

[Renew Deal]

32. Link

I want to see the documented cases of FBI agents "murdering" "peaceful" activists.

[EFerrari]

33. They killed Fred Hampton in his sleep. Look it up.

[Renew Deal]

40. I did

Someone in his apartment fired a shotgun at the Chicago cops (not FBI). The group he was associated with had a history of violence too. I wouldn't consider them "peaceful." Try again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

[EFerrari]

43. The Assassination of Fred Hampton.

Jeffrey Haas talked about his book The Assassination of Fred Hampton: How the FBI and the Chicago Police Murdered a Black Panther (Lawrence Hill Books; November 1, 2009). On December 4, 1969, Fred Hampton, the 21-year-old chairman of the Illinois Black Panther Party, was shot dead in his bed during a police raid in which Mark Clark was also killed. In his book Jeffrey Haas recounts how he and Flint Taylor, his law partner, attempted to prove that Fred Hampton's death was not self-defense, as the police advocates claimed, but was premeditated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Chicago police department. The program opened with video footage from 1969. Jefrrey Haas talked about the life and death of Fred Hampton. Then a panel discussion on Fred Hampton was moderated by Bernardine Dohrn. His mother made remarks, and then Mr. Willis made closing remarks. The event "Fred Hampton, Police Violence, Racism & the Law: A Retrospective" took place November 5, 2009, at 5:30 p.m. CT in Thorne Auditorium at the Northwestern University School of Law in Chicago.

The event was co-sponsored by: MacArthur Justice Center, The Center on Wrongful Convictions, Northwestern University School of Law, Madel Legal Aid Clinic, University of Chicago Law School, NCBL-Chicago, Black People Against Police Torture, Chicago Review Press, Citizens Alert, and others.The Hampton and Clark families and survivors of the raid were honored at this event which took place 40 years after Fred Hampton spoke to the students and faculty of Northwestern University School of Law.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/290956-1

Transcript & video at link and no, I won't debate this with you.

[Renew Deal]

46. I'm not asking for a debate.

But I want to know if you believe these statements from Wikipedia are untrue:

"Mark Clark, was sitting in the front room of the apartment with a shotgun in his lap, on security duty. He was killed instantly after firing off a single round, which was later determined to be a reflexive reaction in his death convulsions after being shot by the raiding team; this was the only shot the Panthers fired.<4><12><13>"

On July 16 there was an armed confrontation between party members and the Chicago Police Department, which left one member mortally wounded and six others arrested on serious charges. On July 31, the CPD raided the Monroe Street office, smashing typewriters, destroying food and medical supplies for the Panther health clinic and breakfast program, setting several small fires, and beating and arresting a number of Panthers for obstruction. A similar raid took place on October 31.

In early October, Hampton and his girlfriend, Deborah Johnson (now known as Akua Njeri), pregnant with their first child (Fred Hampton, Jr.), rented a four-and-a-half room apartment on 2337 West Monroe Street to be closer to BPP headquarters. O'Neal reported to his superiors that much of the Panthers' "provocative" stockpile of arms was being stored there. In early November, Hampton traveled to California on a speaking engagement to the UCLA Law Students Association. While there, he met with the remaining BPP national hierarchy, who appointed him to the Party's Central Committee. Shortly thereafter he was to assume the position of Chief of Staff and major spokesman.

I'm not even suggesting that he wasn't "murdered." But there is reason to believe they weren't "peaceful" unless Wikipedia is completely wrong.

[RaleighNCDUer]

97. RKBA does not apply to blacks.

The Panthers were a DEFENSIVE organization. There is no record, anywhere, of them taking up arms offensively. They were not criminals. They were not pulling bank jobs or threatening the public. They armed themselves to defend themselves against the police and FBI.

[Ken Burch]

228. How can you ever believe MAYOR DALEY's cops?

That was an era when the Chicago P.D. tried to murder as many black people as possible.

[davidinalameda]

99. Black Panthers

now that was a peace loving group if I've ever heard of one

[EFerrari]

133. Your slip is showing. n/t

[fascisthunter]

135. actually they only threatened authoritarian racists who harassed blacks

Blacks have struggled long and hard in this country and some reacted to the constant oppressiveness of our government and law enforcement. Educate yourself...

[davidinalameda]

192. blacks have struggled in this country?

wow-I didn't not know that

and the Black Panthers "reacted"?

so murdering other blacks is reacting

another bunch of communist thugs

[Ken Burch]

230. You've once again shown that you're on the far right of the political spectrum

The Panthers pretty much only acted in self-defense-other than the brief period when future Republican Eldridge Cleaver ran the group.

It's disgusting that you'd ever take the word of white law enforcement officials on any of this.

[Webster Green]

243. Yeah, those commies are really scary.

What fucking decade are you living in? :rofl:

[bahrbearian]

262. Dave is living in Alameda, dont.cha ya know'

[Ken Burch]

315. Does anyone ELSE live there?

I'm guessing Dave's there because he's scared of Oakland.

[fascisthunter]

302. great reply

thanks for playing

[RaleighNCDUer]

95. Nope.

Mark Clark, was sitting in the front room of the apartment with a shotgun in his lap, on security duty. He was killed instantly after firing off a single round, which was later determined to be a reflexive reaction in his death convulsions after being shot by the raiding team; this was the only shot the Panthers fired.

Cops shot first.

[socialist_n_TN]

148. It depends on who you're going to believe........

The ones who's job it is to stifle dissent or the dissenters. I believe the dissenters.

[EFerrari]

219. Yeah, that and all the bullets in that door were going in, not out. n/t

[socialist_n_TN]

271. Yeah there was that..............

Objective evidence. What a concept!

[mistertrickster]

125. Correct . . . Fred Hampton sprang to my mind too. There's also Leonard Peltier

rotting away in prison.

[EFerrari]

131. That's right and he can't even be placed at that scene AND

the expose, In the Spirit of Crazy Horse, was banned here for a number of years. We passed around our copy until it disintegrated. basically.

[newspeak]

306. documentary TV had a great documentary

about the Black Panthers and the FBI. They even interviewed some retired FBI agents. The fed's were out to get the Black Panthers--one thing it emphasized was how the panthers were formed to get involved in their communities--they set up kitchens to help feed poor people in their community, especially children. In the documentary, it showed how the FBI infiltrated and caused suspicion to cause the group to fracture. I believe they did the same thing to AIM.

[Downwinder]

308. Before the FBI there was Pinkertons, not much difference IMO. n/t

[Downwinder]

34. .

http://www.judibari.org/

[Dr.Phool]

35. Anybody who lived through the '60s and '70s remembers it well.

[jwirr]

272. That is what I was thinking - we did not see the panthers as a violent

group of blacks. We saw them as the activist group that was raided by the police for no reason and massacred. They were not the only activists to be targeted by Chicago police under
Daley. All you have to do is search the net for videos of the 1968 Democrat Convention to understand the corruption of the police back then.

[EFerrari]

288. They violently served breakfast to school children. That speaks for itself!

[Th1onein]

321. lol

Great response!

[JonLP24]

241. COINTELPRO

has a documented history of murdering activists, turning activist groups against each other, and fabricating evidence. Wikipedia has a nice overview-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

[WhiteTara]

264. well, in northern CA, the FBI tried to kill Judi Bari

and Darrell Cherney with a pipe bomb. Didn't kill them, but the FBI was successfully sued in Oakland for the dastardly deed.
http://www.hipmama.com/node/13866

[Downwinder]

311. Report: Significant cheating by FBI agents on exam

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/09/27/national/w065211D66.DTL&tsp=1

[Blue Owl]

62. I can't recall the last time the FBI raided an illegal warmonger's house

It's always the peace activists -- and my impression is that it's a spook tactic.

Considering the possibility of infiltration -- I'm not sure what someone with terrorism ties would gain from "infiltrating" a bunch of people who occasionally gather in public to oppose an illegal war that is helping to bankrupt our economy and military.

Regardless, I'll be interested to hear the reason these homes were invaded.

[Renew Deal]

81. Let me refresh your memory

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/hutaree-christian-militia_n_516533.html

And of course, I'm interested too.

[bahrbearian]

263. The Hutaree were terrorist with a Terrorist plan

[indepat]

85. Maybe warmongers get a pass?

:shrug:

[defendandprotect]

206. What's happening is HOMELAND SECURITY $$$ if you label these people "terrorists" ....

there was an article on this last week -- which never got posted here at DU --

Don't know if anyone else is noticing but a lot of news isn't getting posted here

any more --

I think some dedicated news posters have left -- !!!


Anyway, a very important story from last week we didn't get --

[defendandprotect]

204. You immediately take FBI's word that these aren't peaceful anti-war activists???

[Ken Burch]

227. Is there a reason you think this group might actually have it coming?

They've always been nonviolent. No reason to think that was going to change. And since when do people in THIS party trust the FBI?

[annm4peace]

305. yes, Indymedia is a news source.

It has been more reliable in the last 8 years than our corporate media.
You have to take all news with a grain of salt.

Indymedia is my first source.. I can tell what is going on hours before regular news reports it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

They had you at "peace activists", didn't they? Like the rest of us, unless

you're directly involved, you have no clue what brought this about. You don't think it possible that these groups have been infiltrated by people who might be national security threats? You rush to defend, with very little information, but that's all to common here these days.

[EFerrari]

41. You have no clue what brought this about but you do have a long history of thuggery,

nearly 80 years, to bring to bear on the situation.

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. Your personal attack aside, you still have no clue. (nt)

[EFerrari]

50. There was no personal attack in that post. ETA:

I was referring to the FBI's 80 yrs of thuggery, lol.

[Renew Deal]

76. I had to reread that one too.

lol

[EFerrari]

88. That's what I get for posting before coffee!

[defendandprotect]

207. We do have a clue ... FBI has gotten very interested in Homeland Security $$ ....

and they have become quite anxious to brand peace-activists as terrorists --

to garner in that $$$ --

[dflprincess]

69. What brought this on?

Probably charges being dismissed against 3 of RNC 8. Somebody is going to pay for that.

[TomClash]

66. If you read the article

The FBI was seeking information on who paid for the travel of some individuals to Palestine, Colombia, etc. The obvious purpose was to gather evidence to prosecute them for providing material support to FTOs.

[Renew Deal]

77. That wasn't in the original story

Originally it was that a raid took place and no information was available.

[RaleighNCDUer]

98. Ever hear of COINTELPRO? NT

[undergroundpanther]

196. Cointelpro is pure evil

I think. I do not trust TPTB,banksters or cops,or any state hired thug.In general. Been through too much abuse to ever just blindly trust those playing as "helpers"with power to harm me again.I know certain types with power to abuse just hate people like me.

[socialist_n_TN]

277. Now THIS is what I'm talking about...........

I'm ALWAYS going to side with the dissenters against the government agencies in this type of argument until I'm OVERWHELMED with evidence to the contrary. I've seen too much abuse of governmental power in my lifetime to do anything else.

[Ken Burch]

231. You're assuming a WHITE law enforcement structure can be trusted on things like this

Having lived in this country, why would you EVER believe that.

[Tarheel_Dem]

265. Should I order one of these?

:tinfoilhat:


Sometimes, it is, what it is.

[Ken Burch]

316. In other words, you trust white cops on this.

:eyes:

[Freddie Stubbs]

54. If you have information which would may lead to the arrest and conviction of a criminal, you should

forward it to the appropriate authorities.

[bullwinkle428]

2. If only there were some violent wingnut militia groups that the FBI

could be going after instead...


...wait a minute.

[golddigger]

3. How come they are not raiding

the homes of the assholes who brought guns to a rally?

[Renew Deal]

10. Is that illegal?

[golddigger]

15. Is it illegal to peacefully assemble?

[Renew Deal]

16. You just answered your own question.

:shrug:

[golddigger]

18. The point trying to made is, why the

double standard?

[Renew Deal]

21. I'm not sure that there is.

Is having a gun at those rallies illegal? If not, there's not much to talk about in regards to police raids. I don't understand the knee-jerk reaction in this thread that the raid is unjustified. How does someone really know that?

[Ticonderoga]

27. Obviously

anyone carrying an AR-15 to a presidential rally is completely sound of mind. NOT.

[Renew Deal]

30. There's a difference between crazy and criminal

:shrug:

[dogfacedboy]

295. Not illegal, unless there is a local law that prohibits it.

However, bringing firearms to a public political rally is a dumbass thing to do. I know, I know...an exercising of 2nd Amendment rights, etc. Gotta protect yourself from all those British troops and wild bears out there.

[defendandprotect]

208. Nah -- that would make too much sense and no Homeland Security $$ in it !!

[golddigger]

4. Opps. Just saw at the bottom of your OP

that you ask the same question.

[Renew Deal]

5. There might be legitimate issues.

How do you know they are peace activists? Do you know them personally? And maybe this has nothing to do with politics.

[dharmamarx]

51. This is a total abuse of power.

Yes, my wife and I have known them for seven years, and we've been to parties at their house. Just about anybody who is at all active in antiwar or pro-labor issues in Minneapolis knows them. They do criticize capitalism, U.S. imperialism, the Republican party, and fake Democrats, but they are NOT violent. This is either a straightforward attempt to intimidate Minneapolis antiwar activists or some bureaucrats attempt to fulfill a quota. In fact, if you said to me 20 minutes ago that the FBI would have blinked twice at them, I would have been rolling on the ground laughing because they have absolutely no power. (At most, they might be tied to a traffic disruption or two that happened during the RNC protest, but that's it.) They're very kind, decent people, working regular jobs and raising families. This is an insane abuse of power.

[Renew Deal]

80. Thanks for the info

I think you make two different points. One is that these are good, peaceful, non-violent people. The other is that it's an abuse of power. That's the one I've argued about in this thread. We don't know what this is really all about and if that's true or not.

[indepat]

89. Thank God these issues have all been cleared up: we'll wait with abated breath to see how it all

unfolds. ;)

[indepat]

90. Thank God these issues have all been cleared up: we'll wait with abated breath to see how it all

unfolds. ;)

[mistertrickster]

126. It's the FBI who have to make the case that they are guilty. The socialists have to be presumed

innocent. We should withhold judgment about THEM, not the FBI.

Or at least political prisoners USED TO be presumed innocent until Bush decided that being really scared was more important than the US Constitution and can now throw people in jail indefinitely without trial.

[truedelphi]

248. + 1. n/t

[merqz]

221. You are right

Nobody here has read the affidavit for the search warrant. Iow, we have NO idea what the probable cause is. For all we know, they may have evidence at those residences of other crimes, or god knows what. A search warrant (s) was issued. If FBI followed standard protocol, that means an agent wrote the affidavit, a SAIC reviewed it, a US Attorney reviewed it, and then it was presented to a Federal Judge who signed it. I'll standby for some more facts before kneejerking.

[G_j]

275. the following story is less than a week old:

comments?

FBI Placed Left-Wing Activists On Terrorism Watch List Without Cause

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4546767&utm_source=tweetdeck&utm_medium=twitter

The FBI had a weak factual basis for opening and extending some investigations of U.S. activist groups and put individuals affiliated with Greenpeace USA on the terrorist watch list improperly, a report by the Justice Department's Inspector General released Monday found.

In addition, FBI Director Robert Mueller was also found to have unintentionally provided inaccurate testimony to Congress because he was given bad information. FBI personnel told him that certain persons of interest in international terrorism matters were expected to be present at an anti-war rally in Pittsburgh in 2002, according to the report.

The review addressed FBI activities from 2001 to 2006 related to the Thomas Merton Center; People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA); Greenpeace USA; The Catholic Worker; and an individual described as a Quaker peace activist.

None of these groups were targeted by the FBI on the basis of their First Amendment activities, the report found. But the factual bases for opening some investigations of individuals affiliated with the groups were weak. The FBI also extended the duration of investigations without adequate basis in some cases, and the bureau improperly retained information about the groups in its files.

In addition, the FBI also wrongly classified some nonviolent civil disobedience under its "Acts of Terrorism" classification, which led to subjects being added to the watchlist without merit.

<snip>

[MilesColtrane]

232. "they are NOT violent."

Then maybe they should consider modifying some of the statements on their web site.


http://www.freedomroad.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=346&Itemid=260&lang=en#different

"history shows us that the exploiters simply won't step aside peacefully. So the forces of the people must be prepared to advance our interests and defend ourselves by any means necessary."



That's just the first thing that caught my eye. (I'm sure it caught the FBI's eye too.)

[Echotrail]

75. EVERYONE in the Twin Cities peace community knows them

Everyone. And you can be sure they have their backs.

[Bjorn Against]

136. I do know them personally and they are peace activists

I have been involved in the Twin Cities anti-war community a long time and they have been involved even longer. They are peaceful people, these raids were completely unjustified.

[zazen]

6. any more info on NC? n/t

[barbtries]

7. this is outrageous.

they do hate us for our freedoms. oh shit, "they" are suppose to be "us." :cry:

[Renew Deal]

9. Why is it "outrageous?"

[barbtries]

37. i am outraged

that a group that supports peace is being tagged as a terrorist group. how does marching and demonstrating for the end of war equate to terrorism?

[Renew Deal]

44. How do you know thats the only reason for the raid?

I don't know why there's a knee-jerk response to defend these people without much information.

[bitchkitty]

53. So, you got a crush on the feebs, then?

You sure are bending over backwards to defend them.

[Scruffy1]

68. Probably is one.

[Renew Deal]

74. Prove it.

Show one single post in this thread where I have "defended" the feds, FBI, the cops, or anyone else. Find one single post in this thread where I have accused the protesters of anything while you're at it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

106. How about your post #46 above, where you make a point of showing

how justified the Feds & Chicago cops were for murdering Fred Hampton in his sleep?

[Renew Deal]

110. Try again

Where did I say they were justified? I said that they didn't have a history of peaceful behavior including armed "security" during that incident.

[RaleighNCDUer]

115. It is only the cops who said they were not peaceful. They had armed

security in their own residence? This is a problem? Take THAT to the gungeon and see what they say.

The Panthers NEVER were part of any criminal activity - though they had contacts among criminals, guilt by association is not valid in court. They carried their weapons defensively, just as all the CCW champions here do. They did not deal drugs. They did not commit robberies. They did not commit acts of terror.

Saying "they didn't have a history of peaceful behavior including armed "security" during that incident" IS a justification for the police behavior, no matter how you cut it.

[Renew Deal]

116. Peace activists don't carry guns.

There is nothing peaceful about armed peace activists. Imagine Ghandi or MLK with a gun. It's just not the same thing.

Now, that discussion included some examples of behavior by the group that one wouldn't reasonably consider peaceful. They are below.

"Mark Clark, was sitting in the front room of the apartment with a shotgun in his lap, on security duty. He was killed instantly after firing off a single round, which was later determined to be a reflexive reaction in his death convulsions after being shot by the raiding team; this was the only shot the Panthers fired.<4><12><13>"

On July 16 there was an armed confrontation between party members and the Chicago Police Department, which left one member mortally wounded and six others arrested on serious charges. On July 31, the CPD raided the Monroe Street office, smashing typewriters, destroying food and medical supplies for the Panther health clinic and breakfast program, setting several small fires, and beating and arresting a number of Panthers for obstruction. A similar raid took place on October 31.

In early October, Hampton and his girlfriend, Deborah Johnson (now known as Akua Njeri), pregnant with their first child (Fred Hampton, Jr.), rented a four-and-a-half room apartment on 2337 West Monroe Street to be closer to BPP headquarters. O'Neal reported to his superiors that much of the Panthers' "provocative" stockpile of arms was being stored there. In early November, Hampton traveled to California on a speaking engagement to the UCLA Law Students Association. While there, he met with the remaining BPP national hierarchy, who appointed him to the Party's Central Committee. Shortly thereafter he was to assume the position of Chief of Staff and major spokesman.

Pointing out that they had a history of violent confrontation and being armed is not justification for police behavior no matter how you want to stretch it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

118. So you deny them the right to self defense?

No one ever claimed the Panthers were peace activists. Only that they were organized to DEFEND the black community against "...the CPD raided the Monroe Street office, smashing typewriters, destroying food and medical supplies for the Panther health clinic and breakfast program, setting several small fires..."

Defending yourself when violently attacked is not "a history of violent confrontation".

The police went after the Panthers because they opposed the PTB.
The FBI infiltrated them for the same purpose.
Why can we take it for granted the cops have any more legitimate reason to go after these peace activists than they had for going after the Panthers back then?

[Renew Deal]

120. Not at all.

I don't deny them the right to legally carry a gun.

This has become like the telephone game. Here's how the discussion got started. EF posted that the FBI has a history of "murdering peaceful political activists." I said that I'd like to see some examples of that. She posted the Hampton case. I pointed out that they weren't exactly peaceful. This has never been about gun rights.

BTW, if you look around this thread, there's a dispute about whether the MN people are truly peace activists. These matters are always more complicated than they seem.

[RaleighNCDUer]

122. The Panthers WERE peaceful, until they were attacked.

Just like anybody else.

That means they fit the definition perfectly - peaceful political activists. You have repeatedly claimed that their simply having guns meant they were not peaceful. Take that argument to the gungeon.

Ive been reading the thread, and only those who don't know these people are claiming they 'might' not be 'truly peace activists'. Those who know them state unequivocally that they are.

So who to believe, the FBI and their cheerleaders, or those who know them?

[Renew Deal]

130. I don't think it's black and white.

The FBI and those that know them might both be right. :shrug:

[JustAmused]

195. Fixed it !!

Finally found the ignore button.

As my 89 year old retired school teacher mother would say to you....


Child, Please !!!!

[laughingliberal]

198. As I look around this thread, I see the people who are stating they know these people say they ARE..

peace activists.

[mistertrickster]

129. Good point, Raleigh. And judging from the actions of the police, their vigilence was

well founded.

I've got a room full of guns and I won't hesitate to use them to defend myself. I am one heavily armed liberal.

Doesn't mean I'm not peaceful though . . .

[quakerboy]

225. Inuendo is such great stuff. You can say all sorts of things without saying them

Its great that way, to be able to imply things without actually having the guts to specifically say what it is one is thinking that might be ugly enough to get one dis-invited from all the cool discussions. Perhaps on a RW website, everyone is dull enough to miss that sort of thing. But here, people see right through that kinda thing, and just have to patiently wait it out.

Anyhow, live long and prosper.

[socialist_n_TN]

280. Innuendo is the RW way in these types of ...........

discussions. The PTB call it "plausible deniability".

[barbtries]

56. i've read the thread, clicked on the link

and my response remains one of outrage. if i am later proven wrong so be it.

[Renew Deal]

73. I don't understand why.

Why get crazy first and ask questions later? It's not a reasonable response.

[barbtries]

91. i'm not crazy.

i am outraged. big difference. you don't have to understand this is me and not you. and if you don't get WHY, you haven't read the thread. maybe you didn't pay attention to what happened in the city during the RNC in 2008. i don't know. i don't understand why you don't understand and that's fine with me.

[undergroundpanther]

201. It annoys the hell out of me

How the "crazy" card is thrown around to DE- LEGITIMIZE people.
It's not crazy to be outraged,
And I am so called crazy,and I have PTSD..And I have a damn good reasons to be outraged,and I hate it when smarmy, control freak people, or "normals" or "mundanes" who dare never question the governments actions, as if it never happens here..Go on use mental illness/injury which is a real and PAINFUL condition that in no way should be a label of social humiliation. Using"crazy" as a basis to DE-HUMANIZE and DE-LEGITIMIZE people is wrong. And it is a form of BIGOTRY. Nobody chooses to be abused,nor do they choose to go "crazy".The way "crazy" people are treated in this country is socially sanctioned fascism.


....
Get attacked by them
You'll never heal
They'll rob your conscience
Your sanity they'll steal
They'll beat your brains until they spill
That's the fascist favorite meal!


Two-Sided Politics by Suicidal Tendancies

I'm not anti-society, society's anti-me
I'm not anti-religion, religion is anti-me
I'm not anti-tradition, tradition is anti-me
I'm not anti-anything, I just wanna be free

Fascist state, no freedom
Unless you control yourself
Use self expression, lose your freedom
You're undesirable, you go straight to jail

Kill someone, in a war
Get a medal, you're a hero
Protect yourself in every day war
You're undesirable you go straight to jail

I'm not anti-Reagan, Reagan's anti-me
I'm not anti-government, government's anti-me
I'm not anti-politics, politics is anti-me
I'm not anti-anything, I just wanna be free

Innocent, never guilty
High class lawyer, you are rich
If you're poor must be guilty
Even if innocent you go straight to jail





"Envy is ignorance, imitation is suicide... to be great is to be misunderstood."
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

[OnyxCollie]

236. +1

Gotta kick for old school Suicidal Tendencies.

[RaleighNCDUer]

109. So much better to make excuses for the Feds first, and then ask questions later.

After all, if the Feds go after someone he MUST be guilty of SOMETHING.

[OnyxCollie]

237. Ding! Ding! Ding!

You've discovered the modus operandi for the politicized bush (now Obama) DoJ! Start an investigation of the Dem candidate before a close election, then watch likely voters turn away! Ta-dah!

After all, someone under investigation of the FBI must be guilty of something.

Have a cigar.

[PassingFair]

303. You are one of those authoritarian follower types!

Pretty rare in the Dem party.

Peace activism probably doesn't appeal to you at all.

Why not kill them all and let god sort them out later?

[LanternWaste]

63. I imagine we take either the FBI raid at face value

I imagine we take either the FBI raid and the mainstream media at face value, or we take the protest organization at face value.

I would think that given both the FBI and the mainstream media have a greater and a longer history of being rather disingenuous with the American people than does the protest group, it becomes somewhat easier to deny some groups credibility if they have indeed been less than truthful in the past.

[Renew Deal]

72. That's not the choice.

The choice isn't taking the FBI or the protesters at face value. Neither one has said much of anything about this. There is another option. Wait and see. Maybe there's an explanation why the raid took place and why the FBI is mistaken (or not). But screaming "outrage" about the oppressive "police state" isn't reasonable or productive.

[socialist_n_TN]

184. So we shouldn't be outraged about a "mistaken"

FBI raid? We shouldn't consider it an example of a "police state" action even if it IS mistaken?

Bullshit. Overreaching police state TYPES of actions DO outrage me and they always will.

[LanternWaste]

317. Isn't wait and see what everyone here is doing?

Conjecture and opinion carry no weight. Our opinions carry no legal weight. Our conjecture has zero bearing. Aren't we all, in fact, waiting and seeing, i addition to adding conjecture and opinions?

Unless of course you think everyone should simply not post until after any indictments, trials and finally sentencing...

it does beg the question, precisely what would be "productive"? Precisely how would it be productive? Would it sway the LEO's in question? The DA? The jury?

Screaming? No... only in the minds of the melodramatic.

Yeah... that's the choice. It's tough, I bet.

[Scruffy1]

65. I have a lot of information and you obviously don't know much

I live here in this city and know a political act of terrorism when I see one. It seems to me that that they are getting ready for recreating the police state that happened during the RNC. Of course some like police states. So nice and orderly.

[Renew Deal]

71. So why did this raid take place?

What "terrorism" are they referring to? Is it one of those "crime in progress" situations like what Blago was accused of? You "have a lot of information." Can you please answer these?

[laughingliberal]

199. Yes. The fascists made the trains run on time. That's really, really important to some. nt

[HughMoran]

223. Did you really just say that?

Is today "post stereotypical expressions that invoke Godwin's law" day?

[laughingliberal]

244. I didn't like it when my family was on Nixon's enemies list and I didn't like it

that we, who were working for social justice and peace , seemed to be of more interest to law enforcement than the reactionary groups who made repeated attempts on our lives and firebombed our car in our driveway. And it bothers me to read people on a Democratic website who are sounding a lot more like followers of Nixon's 'law and order' philosophy than like followers of Marting Luther King.

[truedelphi]

250. Ah, a member of the "new" DU. n/t

[Catherina]

254. It's clear Which Side You're On.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dr05tXktSo


Which Side Are You On?

See I gotta draw the line I cant take it no more

If you aint down with revolution what you waitin for

Makin money for suckas and our communities poor

Rippin flags off of coffins man this aint our war

Colonized and terrorized by the worlds biggest killers

the US government the biggest weapon and drug dealers

Fillin prisons with children incarceratin the future

Myspace and facebook they got us stuck on computers

Stuck on stupid bumpin music that's the abusive to the shorties

And the nonsense that you spittin they just listen and absorb it

Ive been dormant ive awoken im a giant im ready

Im with the APPO in Oaxaca and we holdin machetes


(RodStarz)

I rock hard like palestinian children holdin slingshots!!!

Im with every single kid that's down for hip hop

For the culture the life what it really stands for

This music is resistance it's the voice of the poor

Im on the side of the workers, the teachers and lunchladies,

on the streets with brown mommys raisin our brown babies,

Im with youth organizers cleanin up the bronx river

Im like jaime escalante when I stand and deliver

Im with evo morales man he runnin bolivia

distribution of the land so they could all live bigger

Im with hugo and fidel, grandmaster and melle mel,

with the Panthers up in queens justice for sean bell,

Im with camacho negron, im with ojeda rios,

freedom for oscar lopez time to get an appeal,

Im with abu jamal im with assatta shakur,

Im with the compas in Immokalee getting a penny more!!

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

CHORUS:

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

Chi city!!!

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

South bronx!!!

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

Oaxaca!!!

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

Palestina!!


(Lah Tere)

Im with elvira arellano im with Rudy Lozano,

Im for a world without borders and a better tomorrow.

Im with Mothers on the Move Im with sistas on the rise

Im with La Pena del Bronx, keepin culture alive

Im with the kids at the Batey watchin a beat battle

Mean muggin all these yuppies in shorts and brown sandles

Im with parents everywhere fightin for good schools

And for all these good women to find some good dudes


Im with Salvador Allende Man Im Super Anti Momio!

Con el pueblo en la Havana grito Viva Cuba Cono!

Im for immigrants, activists, unions and freelancers

For djs mcs bombers and breakdancers

Im with editors, engineers and indy media

Im with my family and my crew Rebel Diaz

Im with Dj Disco Wiz a Latino Pioneer

Cuz its its dope when the elders break bread with the kids..


(G1)

Im for tellin the truth exposing the lies

Think about the dead soldiers when youre drivin your ride

Them people died for the oil and Daddy Bushs revenge

Im with the widows the children and the lonely best friends

Im with Families Stayin Together as ONE

Im Not for the Raids and the Deportations!!

Im with Victor Toro and The M.I.R.

So watch out for those snitches in that unmarked car!

And for Lil Saulito, we gonna fight for your moms..

So we gonna shout her out, twice in One song..

Im for twelve million workers and Elvira Arellano

Im for a world without borders and a better tomorrow

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?


CHORUS:

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

Chi city!!!

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

South bronx!!!

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

Oaxaca!!!

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?

Palestina!!

[maddezmom]

11. from Minn Star Trib: FBI raids homes of several Twin Cities war protesters

FBI raids homes of several Twin Cities war protesters
By RANDY FURST, Star Tribune

Last update: September 24, 2010 - 10:36 AM

The homes of several prominent leaders of the Twin Cities antiwar movement were raided by the FBI today in what an FBI spokesman described as an “investigation into activities concerning the material support of terrorism.”

Search warrants were executed on six addresses in Minneapolis and at two addresses in Chicago, said FBI spokesman Steve Warfield.

Among the homes raided were the apartments of Jessica Sundin, who was a principal leader of the mass march of 10,000 on the opening day of the Republican National Convention two years ago, and Mick Kelly, who was prominent in that protest and among those who announced plans to march on the Democratic National Convention in Minneapolis, if the city is selected to host it.

Ted Dooley, an attorney, said he had reviewed the search warrant issued in the raid on Kelly’s apartment. “It’s a probe into the political beliefs of American citizens and to any organization anywhere that opposes the American iimperial design,” he said.

more:http://www.startribune.com/local/103716384.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUdcOy_nc:DKUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7DYaGEP7vDEh7P:DiUs

[JDPriestly]

45. If the FBI trying to silence these people before the November elections?

Were these people arrested at the Republican National Convention?

Is the FBI trying to get evidence to use in fighting a lawsuit for damages by someone? I'm not familiar enough with the history of this to know what is going on? Could they have been raided for something unrelated to their politics -- like drug use? Is this just an attempt to get something embarrassing on them? We really don't know much from this report.

But it is interesting that you have criminals who start an illegal war based on false pretenses strutting around like they own the country while people who question the legality of the war are raided. Where is the Obama administration on this? Does Obama control anything our government does?

I do not know these people. I do not know what they stand for. But, I do not that Robert Mueller was a Bush appointee who authorized illegal wiretapping.

Why he is in charge of the FBI is beyond me except that the organization has a history of partisan activities that should not be permitted in our so-called democracy.

Robert Mueller, head of the FBI, is a Bush holdover.

FBI appointment

Mueller was nominated for the position of FBI Director on July 5, 2001.<3> He and two other candidates were up for the job at the time, but he was always considered the front runner.<4> Washington lawyer George J. Terwilliger III and veteran Chicago prosecutor and white-collar defense lawyer Dan Webb were up for the job but both pulled out from consideration around mid-June. Confirmation hearings for Mueller, in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, were quickly set for July 30, only three days before his prostate cancer surgery.<5><6> The vote on the Senate floor on August 2, 2001 passed unanimously, 98-0.<7> He then served as Acting Deputy Attorney General of the United States Department of Justice for several months, before officially becoming the FBI Director on September 4, 2001, just one week before the September 11 attacks against the United States.
Domestic wiretapping investigation

Director Mueller, along with Acting Attorney General James B. Comey, offered to resign from office in March 2004 if the White House overruled a Department of Justice finding that domestic wiretapping without a court warrant was unconstitutional.<8> Attorney General John D. Ashcroft denied his consent to attempts by White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and White House Counsel Alberto R. Gonzales to waive the Justice Department ruling and permit the domestic warrantless eavesdropping program to proceed. On March 12, 2004, President George W. Bush gave his support to changes in the program sufficient to satisfy the concerns of Mueller, Ashcroft and Comey.<8> The extent of the National Security Agency's domestic warrantless eavesdropping under the President's Surveillance Program is still largely unknown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller_III

We have a right to know why these people were raided. That is because if they really were the peace-loving people they appeared to be and if they were not doing something else illegal, then this may be a political use of a public office.

[defendandprotect]

212. Let's also remember this is now OBAMA'S FBI .... ... ... !!

There was a story within the last week which I'm still looking for

and which never got posted here about FBI seeking Homeland Security money --

and using peace-activists to do it, labeling them "terrorists."

I'd better go take another look for the article!!

[TexasObserver]

253. This might have been done without the White House knowing.

It sounds like the kind of shady activity the FBI has been known to pull before an election to make something an issue for the election. Recall that the "gonna sell Obama's seat" case was created about this time two years ago.

The FBI is hardly under the president's control. Within it are people who have their own agenda, and don't really give a damn what the president wants or whether he would approve.

While right wing groups and their followers engage in outright treason all the time, why does the FBI target anti war protestors? Simple. Because they're doing the bidding of those who like to have wars.

[Dawson Leery]

290. +1

[RaleighNCDUer]

296. It's just fucking awful - it's as if the FBI thinks they are

the CIA or something.

[madrchsod]

12. interesting.....have to wait and see what the feds have....

in the way of weapons,explosives, and travel documents.

[Scruffy1]

67. None of the above

They grabbed some dangerous cell phones.

[Catherina]

255. Like the Feds don't have a long, documented history of planting evidence. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

297. As if it makes a difference -

how many scary muslims have they put away in the last 8 years who 'planned' attacks but never managed to get any weapons, explosives or anything other than tourist pics of the supposed targets?

[flyarm]

13. The powers that be ..NWO have to shut down and shut up the peace activists and send

a warning to liberal activists..

some things change..some things..NOT SO MUCH!

Change we can all believe in EH????????

[Bragi]

14. FBI is using up time saved by not protecting Molly Norris /nt

[rayofreason]

108. Trying to sneakily introduce...

...cognitive dissonance, are you?

Drawing Mohamed cartoons is VIOLENT, as opposed to supporting the idea of an Marxist/Leninist/Maoist revolution, supporting the Chinese government massacre at Tiananmen Square, and possibly working with FARC in violation of US law, which is all just peaceful, non-violent, gentle, flower-laden,.....

sneakily

[stray cat]

17. Neighbors say the same about serial killers or any murderer etc

I'll wait for the evidence one way or another

[newspeak]

19. please keep us informed

I'm not totally shocked, a peace activist is more dangerous, it appears, to those who maintain the status quo (corporate power), than those who blindly buy into the agenda. I mean people like Quakers and non-violent anti- corporate activists are the real danger.

Let's see how the media reports this.

[laughingliberal]

200. Those who stand up for people are dangerous. There had to be some good reason Hoover kept MLK...

under observation. Right? :eyes:

[undergroundpanther]

213. Yeah it seems you are right

I stand up for people... in the mental health system, in psych wards..and everywhere I go.It is a commitment I made to myself.

I was in a peer run program, Hearts and ears and we met with some state execs.Asking us what would make the mental health system better...

My answer was first give up the notion of 'normal,because normal does not exist,secondly give up on the idea you can control what people think or feel,third not everyone wants to sell themselves and give up all the days of their lives to the market and be 'productive' for someone else's greed for more profits.

There was a long silence ..


The reply I got from some executive in the Baltimore Mental Health Dept.Was.. "Your (panther's)existence was a threat to the entire mental health system."


I thought about that and replied,"Thank you, that was the nicest thing a state bureaucrat ever said to me."

The entire group of hearts and ears cracked up laughing except the "professional" Health Dept. people.Go Figure.

I want to make a t-shirt that says I'm a proud to exist threat to the entire mental health system...Rawr! And wear that to the next MH convention...lulz.


REEDOM OF THOUGHT & THE FIRST AMENDMENT

The United States Supreme Court has recognized:

"Freedom of thought... is the matrix, the indispensable condition, of nearly every other form of freedom. With rare aberrations a pervasive recognition of this truth can be traced in our history, political and legal" (Palko v. Connecticut (1937) 302 U.S. 319, 326-27.)

Without freedom of thought, the First Amendment right to freedom of speech is moot, because you can only express what you can think. Constraining or censoring how a person thinks (cognitive censorship) is the most fundamental kind of censorship, and is contrary to some of our most cherished constitutional principles.

In 2003, the CCLE filed a legal brief on the relationship between Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Thought, and psychotropic drugs in the United States Supreme Court. We are now examining other aspects of the First Amendment that protect freedom of thought. Scientists, for example, are discovering that nearly everyone engages in what they are terming "internal speech." We use language to navigate within our own thoughts. The CCLE is examining whether the freedom of speech protects "internal speech." (We think it does, and we're working to prove it).

In addition, while most people are capable of shutting their eyes and thereby blocking out external images, it is not so easy to shut one's ears. New technology like Hypersonic Sound -- which transmits a beam of sound that is silent until you walk into it -- is raising the question of what rights people have to internal auditory integrity. If the First Amendment blocks the government from putting words in a person's mouth, does it also block the government from putting words in a person's head? (We think it does, and we're working to prove it).
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/issues/first_amend_inde...

Because the definition of power as the ability to compel obedience fails to distinguish between coercive and non-coercive means of securing obedience, it is imprecise and potentially misleading.
http://www.unknownnews.org/070602a-Panther.html


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
All the rules of productivity,conformity,economic domination,silencing of emotion,forgetting and legal contracts."Mental illness" is the label we give to a citizen who is disloyal to these laws.
Such heresy implies tremendous, outright disloyalty to our empire, in particular to the zealous worship of the great god of materialistic productivity and hyper extraction of resources , the hierarchy of haves and have nots,and the dance of trauma and oppression. the search for meaning and purpose above the search for money. Above all, it involves placing your own truth above the truth of the tribe, and this is the greatest and most unacceptable heresy of all. Jesus was crucified because of it; today, we incarcerate these heretical souls, drug and electroshock their brains and bodies..(from the article linked in the OP)


For the first few dissidents or"activists"who get hurt and made as"examples" to show the 'consequences' of not bowing down, a technique of sadism to compel obedience which is as sophisticated as a head of a slaughtered rebel stuck on a pike and marched through a conquered city to strike fear in the potential rebel.Today we rebels get called mental patients we get drugged we are poor as dirt in a system that is pathetic and controlling,dehumanizing and often is a fraud,and our states drive them to day programs in vans loudly advertising ..here is were the unproductive and rebellious to empire belong so if you don't want to be rejected,and dehumanized like THEM,get thinking the way empire wants, GET TO WORK lie,and sell your soul for a bit of'security' that is not ever secure ,grab that carrot dodge that stick we might give you a glass of water if you earn enough tokens in the big behavior modification system called civilization,...Systemic abuse of the "dissidents" and"deviants" that are not psychopathic,by the system, the resistance appears risky and futile, take that fear with learned helplessness and broken social connectivity and dislocated kin networks,..and trauma memories rolling around in the deep unconscious,and deep betrayals,..who has the courage to not by-stand? Who has the courage to actively resist? Neurotic caged animals forming a rebellion against the way things always have been? You mean we gotta go stepping OUT THERE, into the big UNKNOWN??
The numbers drop dramatically.

[cascadiance]

23. This is DIRECTLY the result of what Robert's SCOTUS gang ruled on a few months ago!

The line in a thread post above shows clearly that they are drawing from this case ruling:

The homes of several prominent leaders of the Twin Cities antiwar movement were raided by the FBI today in what an FBI spokesman described as an “investigation into activities concerning the material support of terrorism.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/06/supreme-court-upholds-material-support-law/

Raw Story: Supreme Court ruling makes ‘it a crime to work for peace and human rights’: CCR

Group: Former President Carter could be prosecuted for monitoring fair elections in Lebanon

The US Supreme Court endorsed Monday a broad reading of the law criminalizing "material support" to terrorism, a statute that critics argue targets legitimate free speech.

In a six to three vote, the highest US court sided with the government and found that an NGO could face prosecution for providing non-terror-related support, including rights training, to US-designated terror groups.

The case involved the Humanitarian Law Project, a human rights group, which the court ruled could face prosecution under the material support statute for providing human rights or conflict resolution training to groups including the Kurdish PKK or the Tamil Tigers

All a part of the fascists' master plan!

One more reason to IMPEACH those bastards!

[Downwinder]

28. Have to get the Repugs defined as a terrorist group. n/t

[dgibby]

52. I've tried.

Written to the SPLC at least 3 times, asking that they be designated a hate group and put on a watch list. Still waiting.

[EFerrari]

55. That's such a great idea.

lol

Last night I thought of petitioning Doctors without Borders to come to the United States and treat the urgent cases, especially vets, because the VA is a disaster.

[dgibby]

78. I figured it couldn't hurt to try.

DWB is a good idea, too. Nothing like thinking outside the box!

[Autumn]

191. I have to say, our VA here in Colorado Springs is

awesome. I am trying to get my Nephew to come to Colorado Springs VA, at least for the group sessions for PTSD. I can not praise them enough. The Doctors there have been wonderful to my Husband. They keep a very close eye on his heart and other health problems he has.

[EFerrari]

216. That's really good to hear. n/t

[quakerboy]

226. I disagree

there is a reason Vets are, overall, much happier with the care they get than most others in the US. It is overloaded. But its still generally better than what you get in private care. Here in Oregon, you get wait times on anything non-urgent. But the care they get is worth the wait. Way better than I ever got back when I had Kaiser.

[lib_wit_it]

270. They say turnabout is fair play. Haven't the Rs as much as called the SPLC a terrorist group?

Aided by a wave of favorable publicity for the suit, SPLC’s subsequent direct-mail fund-raising campaign based on an inflated, and perhaps even imaginary, vision of the KKK and other politically impotent fringe groups enhanced the SPLC’s public image as a seeker of justice against the dark forces of hate.

But a review of the ideological leanings, political habits, and political associations of its officers, directors, and publications reveals that in stark contrast to the image of virtuous advocacy of tolerance and justice carefully crafted by its public relations materials, inside the SPLC lurks a more sinister reality that promotes the very vices of hate, bigotry, and racial animosity that the group piously pretends to oppose. Especially troubling is the repeated and continued willingness of the SPLC to associate itself with, or make recommendations for, a variety of hate-driven, anti-American political groups, including communists and communist-friendly individuals and organizations.

More: http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_20_3/tsc_20_3_woodruff.shtml

[Renew Deal]

82. Your post might be the single most important one in this thread

It explains what is likely behind this.

[RaleighNCDUer]

112. So, if a journalist pays for an interview with a person the government

deems a terrorist, he is in material support of a terrorist, and therefore a terrorist himself.

A nurse dispensing birth control at a Hamas funded clinic would be in support of terrorists, and therefore a terrorist himself.

A person who arranges for a face to face peace negotiation meeting between two groups, paying for transportation to that meeting, if one of those groups is deemed terrorist groups, that person is in material support of terrorists, and therefore a terrorist himself. - So, if Obama flies Netenyahu and a Hamas leader to a neutral conference in Berne, or coveres the cost of the hotel while they are therre - Obama is a terrorist.

[Downwinder]

114. I think it only applies to non-corporate persons. n/t

[cascadiance]

117. Non-corporate or non-corporatist?

I could see how the crowd in Washington would try to make exceptions for either or both of these "entities". As long as they're going to break the constitution with this court ruling, they might as well try to have the constitution only apply to those who aren't who they deem "corporatist" (or whatever they call themselves), or *claim* in a judicial activist fashion that the constitution excepts corporations from this too, since they selectively only have their "corporate personhood" rules apply where it benefits the corporation "proxies" and those who are behind them...

[jberryhill]

242. Payment of money to an SDN would be illegal

There are exceptions to the OFAC regulations.

However, it is not the case that the payment "makes you a terrorist". A payment of cash to a Specially Designated National is simply a crime by itself.

[Nikki Stone1]

218. + 1000 Cascadience

:

[Catherina]

256. The minute they mentioned Colombia and Palestine, that was it.

Great post.

[lib_wit_it]

269. Another brick in the wall...Yet Bush and Cheney need have no fear of prosecution. /m

[Puregonzo1188]

293. Thank you! I'm glad someone else picked on the connection

between this raid and the recent ruling in Holder V. Humanitarian Law.


Don't forget what Jimmy Carter said about it ""The 'material support law' - which is aimed at putting an end to terrorism - actually threatens our work and the work of many other peacemaking organizations that must interact directly with groups that have engaged in violence...The vague language of the law leaves us wondering if we will be prosecuted for our work to promote peace and freedom."

This is very disturbing indeed.

[mike_c]

25. yet war criminals walk free....

[sce56]

26. The reason is probably besides attempting to criticize illegal wars that they might have d/l the

Wiki Leaks docs on the war. That is just a SWAGuess on my part!

[Downwinder]

29. Nope, not that. I looked out in front, nobody there. n/t

[Renew Deal]

49. lol

:rofl:

[8 track mind]

64. I was wondering the same thing. N/t

[Scruffy1]

84. These people have been very active in fighting foreclosures

So I think the power structure wants them to STFU. They have made a lot of noise at the state legislature and with local politicians. Obviously our mayor, Mr. Hairdo, wants business as usual so he can swing the 2012 Convention. But I sincerely doubt that the FBI would bother with that airhead or his requests. I sincerely do not believe any charges will be filed, but its just a tactic to scare others away.

[maddezmom]

31. AP: FBI serves terrorism warrants in Minn., Chicago

FBI serves terrorism warrants in Minn., Chicago

Associated Press - September 24, 2010 12:24 PM ET

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - The FBI says its agents have served several search warrants in Minnesota and Chicago in a material terrorism investigation.

FBI spokesman Steve Warfield tells The Associated Press that six warrants in Minneapolis and two in Chicago were served about 7 a.m. Friday. Warfield says the FBI is seeking "evidence relating to activities concerning the material support of terrorism."

The Star Tribune reports the targets included Jess Sundin, an organizer of a mass march on the opening day of the Republican National Convention in St. Paul two years ago. They also included Mick Kelly, who has announced plans for a march on the Democratic National Convention if Minneapolis is selected to host it in 2012.

more: http://www.kttc.com/Global/story.asp?S=13212222

[EFerrari]

36. This reminds me of what FBI has done to Food Not Bombs.

from one FNB blog:

The first group was formed in Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1980 by anti-nuclear activists. Food Not Bombs is an all-volunteer organization dedicated to nonviolent social change. Food Not Bombs has no formal leaders and strives to include everyone in its decision making process. Each group recovers food that would otherwise be thrown out and makes fresh hot vegetarian meals that are served in outside in public spaces to anyone without restriction. Each independent group also serves free vegetarian meals at protests and other events. The San Francisco chapter has been arrested over 1,000 times in government’s effort to silence its protest against the city’s anti- homeless policies. Amnesty International states it will adopt those Food Not Bombs volunteers that are convicted as “Prisoners of Conscience” and will work for their unconditional release. Even though we are dedicated to nonviolence Food Not Bombs activists in the United States have been under investigation by the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, Pentagon and other intelligence agencies. A number of Food Not Bombs volunteers have been arrested on terrorism charges but there has never been a conviction.

http://foodnotbombscorona.wordpress.com/

(emphasis mine)

[western mass]

38. no muslims available for our regularly scheduled terror scare?

[DeSwiss]

39. K&R

J. Edgar Hoover lives.

[Downwinder]

42. In drag? n/t

[DeSwiss]

58. If you insist.....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5L213Ip_Dg4/STYVZP4uRtI/AAAAAAAACOE/Y7Oqvet2ytY/s400/j+edgar+hoover+in+drag.jpg :)

[EXneoCON]

48. Am I really going to have to...

...just ignore anyone with a circle-D or obama-anything in their sig line? I don't want to, but....

[Hardrada]

57. They should all be ignored and that would ruin their assignment.

[Catherina]

257. At least it makes things easier. My answer would be yes. n/t

[supernova]

59. Can't find any info yet on NC arrests

Nothing on the wires so far about this.

[Downwinder]

61. No mention of NC in the Star Tribune. Only 6 in MN and 2 in IL.

http://www.startribune.com/local/103716104.html?page=1&c=y

[TomClash]

60. Welcome to Brad Sherman's Wet Dream

The search warrant for 1823 Riverside, the residence of activist Mick Kelly, sought information "regarding ability to pay for his own travel" to Palestine and Columbia from 2000 to today. The warrant hyped potential documents indicating any contacts/facilitation with FARC, PFLP, and Hezbollah - what it called "FTOs" or "foreign terrorist organizations". It mentioned seeking information on the alleged "facilitation of other individuals in the US to travel to Colombia, Palestine and any other foreign location in support of foreign terrorist organizations including but not limited to FARC, PFLP and Hezbollah".

[Echotrail]

79. Kelly told the Strib he only traveled to Lebanon. One time.

It looks like somebody has fed the feds some bull.

[TomClash]

103. No surprise there

But if you travel anywhere where there might be an FTO or you sympathize with an FTO's cause but disapprove of their violent methods, you are a suspect and your house is invaded.

[Dawson Leery]

291. The thought of Brad Sherman (troll) is vomit inducing.

[RaleighNCDUer]

298. Hold it, hold it. If they are saying they don't think he could pay his own travel,

are they suggesting the FTO's paid for his travel? If that's the case, wouldn't that be terrorists supporting him, not the other way around?

[dixiegrrrrl]

70. K&R

Will want to follow up on this story.

Those of us who were involved in the anti-war protests of the 70's understand all too well what is happening.

[TygrBright]

83. Flashback City. ::looking suspiciously around for JEdgar:: n/t

[struggle4progress]

86. Soup-rise, soup-rise! It's happening where the old Bush gang is still entrenched:

And with elections fast approaching, what better way for the bitter dead-enders to remember the Bush years than to celebrate with the old standard Bush campaign-season tactics: Scary! Terrorism! Arrests! Scary! Terrorism! Arrests!

One of the two Michigan districts still has a Bush-era US Attorney. Two of the three North Carolina districts still had Bush-era US Attorneys until August, when one finally resigned to campaign for office. Obama's nominees for two of the three Illinois districts were finally confirmed in June and August, but the Cheney-protecting long-term Bush-appointee Patrick Fitzgerald is still US Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois.



The United States Attorney for the Western District of Michigan is Donald A. Davis, an October 2008 Bush appointee
http://www.justice.gov/usao/miw/usattorney/index.html

The United States Attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina is George E. B. Holding, a Bush appointee
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nce/usattorney/index.html
His term expired, but George Holding remains a federal prosecutor
... A replacement, Thomas Walker of Charlotte, has been nominated. There are no confirmed replacements in a dozen more of the roughly 100 U.S. attorney positions across the country. The middle district of North Carolina, which includes Durham and Chapel Hill, is one. Obama has nominated state judge Ripley Rand, son of influential former state Sen. Tony Rand, for that post. But Rand has not been confirmed ...
http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/09/16/683913/his-term-expired-but-george-holding.html

The United States Attorney for the Middle District of North Carolina is vacant: November 2001 Bush appointee Anna Mills Wagoner resigned in August
... United States Attorney Anna Mills Wagoner announced today that she is resigning her position as United States Attorney for the Middle District of North Carolina effective on Friday, August 6, 2010. Ms. Wagoner intends to run for elected office in Rowan County ...
http://www.justice.gov/usao/ncm/press_releases/2010/08_05_2010_Wagoner_Resignation.html

[Bragi]

87. This makes good, Orwellian sense

In our Orwellian times, it makes perfect sense that a government that engages in illegal invasions abroad would see anyone promoting peace as a terrorist.

It also makes sense that there would be widespread public support for doing this.

Soon they may even be able to shut down boards such as this one because a large minority here use it to openly advocate for peace, which, of course, materially helps terrorists.

Maybe people with stars who provide support for this board can then be arrested.

And, of course, there will be widespread support for this.

Have a nice day. :)

[Wednesdays]

113. Either widespread support, or widespread apathy

Doesn't matter...it gets the same result. :(

[No Elephants]

92. Pacificist Socialists.. What did they do? Threaten to share with others?

[davidinalameda]

104. did you read their website?

they're hard core communists who support terrorist groups in Columbia, Philippines, etc

[rayofreason]

111. Why bother...

...to check out any info when your prejudices tell you all you need to know?

After all, who cares if they support the worst form of government seen in the past century? Who cares if they support mass murder?

[davidinalameda]

193. communism has led to the worst form of government

and mass murders

only the Nazis have come close to the communists over the decades in the number of people murdered

[RedCloud]

260. Check out the 100,000,000 dead Native Americans and 100,000,000 dead Africans by capitalism

Seems you have a red sea upon your hands. Also the pigs have 12.5% of all the world's money hoarded. Now what do they do, other than get rich, while the rest of us starve, fight, etc. do to tough economic times?

[davidinalameda]

267. do you have evidence to back up these numbers?

[newspeak]

309. as my professor once said, Russia used Marxist's ideas to maintain the people

but, it was an agrarian oligarchy. Stalin was a sociopathic, neurotic nutbag who murdered his own people-those who refused to be driven from their land to somewhere else. Hitler was a gift that keeps on giving for the corporatist NWO--Hitler loved him some american industrialists and they loved him. I find it disturbing that some people want to ignore the parallels of his regime and some of our talking points today. We know that Hitler didn't just target the jews, any one involved with activism in social justice and poverty issues were targeted (first it was the priests and nuns in the catholic church), any peace activists, any socialists, unionists and especially communists. And don't forget the "faux" conservative values purity--he outlawed abortion, killed homosexuals, burned books, especially those involving topics such as evolution-Darwin was tops on his list. And, his brown shirts, who were in the minority at the time, were violent thugs promoting such "purity."

I'd say that the FBI seems more interested in containing those who attempt to change the corporate status quo than going after violent militias or people like McVeigh. And like MLK, anyone who starts publicly talking about labor rights, social justice or wealth disparity are far more dangerous than a bunch of anti-government, pro-corporate nutbags.

[Downwinder]

310. In the long run, I wonder if A-bomb tests won't have killed more than Stalin. n/t

[socialist_n_TN]

186. So are"hard core communists" subject to arrest now?

And define "support". Saying "Solidarity" to FARC? Agreeing with the goals of Marxists?

Please answer. I've got a personal stake in this since I've been pretty close to a "hard core communist" for quite a few decades now. DEFINITELY socialist and I'm NOT a pacifist. Should I prepare my traveling bag for my "reeducation camp"?

[rayofreason]

211. Beliefs and political positions..

..should not be and are not the basis for arrest. You can be a Maoist, Nazi, Kim Jong Il worshiper, whatever, as long as you are peaceful and don't violate US law. Now, people may have a dim view of, say Nazis, and find them reprehensible, but they still have the right to an opinion, no matter how fucked up it may be.

But a Nazi that tries to provide material support to, say, the PFLP so that they can kill more Jews, can be and should be prosecuted for violating US law.

As far as your personal situation, as a communist/socialist, you and I would disagree on a great many things. We might also agree on things, like the excellence of chocolate. As long as you are peaceful about your opinions, you and I would not have any problems other than perhaps some harsh words when discussing politics. And if someone wanted to throw you in jail for expressing your opinion in a lawful manner you would find me and many others strongly supporting you and denouncing attempts to punish you for using your right to free speech.

But you say that you are NOT a pacifist. Ok. Commit an act of violence in support of your political view or violate US law by providing material aid to terrorist groups - then, yes pack your bag. But be thankful that you do not live under a regime of the type you advocate. Sedition in those places earns you a one-way trip.

[socialist_n_TN]

273. I'm not a pacifist in that I believe in self defense.........

What if I commit an act of violence in self defense after being attacked for expressing my political beliefs? I'm sure that will be construed by the capitalists as being a "terrorist" act.

I actually expect that eventually I'll be hauled off (along with a lot of other leftists) just FOR political beliefs. And I don't expect any of you RW Dems to say a word. After all they'll never come for you. Right?

[Catherina]

258. You've had your answer. The writing is there. Don't ignore it.

I already left the country because this new group scares the beejezus out of me. Too many supporters of the present system would slit your throat if asked to.

[snooper2]

307. You are right, are the raids justified? We don't know...

You got KKK members marching in cities, and lefty radicals holding protests...

No problem, semi-free country... Evidence will be the key- Either it's the FBI pulling some bullshit or these folks went to the next level...


Here's some more reading and a bunch of recent videos

The Marxist-Leninist
a revolutionary communist website
http://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/

http://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/about/

"The Marxist-Leninist upholds Leninism as the Marxism of the current era, the era of imperialism and proletarian revolution, and upholds the universal contributions of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao, the primary theoreticians of Marxism-Leninism. This site promotes Marxism-Leninism, not as a dogma but as a weapon, as the scientific summation of more than 160 years of practical, revolutionary experience from all over the globe. Furthermore, this site seeks to help build unity in the international communist movement on the firm basis of Marxism-Leninism and proletarian internationalism, in the spirit of the Proposals for the Unification of the International Communist Movement and the 1999 Declaration of the International Communist Seminar.

Though this is a personal website and not affiliated with any organization, the editor of The Marxist-Leninist supports the general line of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization."

[undergroundpanther]

215. Sharing is the one thing that can truly destroy an empire

using capitalism

Sharing is a THREAT to the wage hierarchy, the profit seeking sector and the wealthy few ability to exert control over the people.

Sharing is the way out of poverty caused by wealth inequality.Sharing would improve the lives of many people if the giving is direct and devoid of profit motive.Sharing makes people not so dependant upon the market to live.

[fascisthunter]

93. the New McCarthyism.. funny how it's always an attack on the "left"

...but it's ok for right wing brown shirt reject thugs to bring weapons to town hall meetings to intimidate folks.

[Roland99]

96. There was that time not too long ago when some militia types were rounded up in the midwest....

[fascisthunter]

101. awwww... I wonder why?

[Roland99]

105. picking on those poor Christians, I guess.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/TheLaw/michigan-christian-militia-hutaree-targeted-law-enforcement/story?id=10228716

[fascisthunter]

107. "The anti-government militia allegedly plotted to kill law enforcement officers..."

"...with improvised explosive devices and projectiles before being foiled by FBI raids that started Sunday in three states that netted nine members of an extremist group, federal authorities said today."

It must be because they identified themselves as being christian. Lol...

jazus

[IBEWVET]

94. I thought we voted for change!

This is the same actions from the same org.

[rug]

100. This group descends from RYM-SDS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Youth_Movement

[rayofreason]

102. Some interesting background...

...on the Freedom Road Socialist Organization.

http://www.frso.org/index.htm

They proudly describe themselves as a Marxist-Lenisist organization, with a healthy dose of Maoism, and, for example, support the Chinese government's slaughter of unarmed students in Tiananmen Square, which is a subject of a paper "Looking back at Tiananmen Square, the defeat of counter-revolution in China".

So, basically, they are a bunch of asshole apologist/supporters for murderous dictatorships, and I view them as being on par with neo-nazis. Mao by himself was responsible for almost as many deaths as caused by WW2, and Stalin was just as bad...only with a smaller number of people around to kill. Does that mean that the FRSO folks were engaged in collaboration with terrorist organizations like FARC or the PFLP, beyond the public support that they give them on the website? Not necessarily. But any group that supports the things that these guys do certainly has the frame of mind for that kind of stuff.

So I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the FBI until evidence shows otherwise.

[mistertrickster]

132. Do you have better link. I clicked on what you had, and I got a lot of info but nothing like what ...

you posted.

Thanks.

[rayofreason]

134. From the main page...

...got to "Statements"

http://www.frso.org/about/statements.htm

and in the 2009 listing you find the support for the Tiananmen massacre.

In "about"

http://www.frso.org/about/index.htm

you find their self-description as a "revolutionary socialist and Marxist-Leninist organization"

And all over you find support for FARC and the PFLP.

[Downwinder]

119. From twin cities indymedia

A press conference will be held at 2911 Park Avenue at 4 p.m. today, 9/24, per Jess Sundin.

http://tc.indymedia.org/2010/sep/breaking-news-three-houses-minneapolis-raided-other-houses-michigan-nc-chicago-targeted

[and-justice-for-all]

121. If you can find anything threating in this, let me know:

http://www.freedomroad.org/

[rayofreason]

239. Is supporting the murder of unarmed students...

...threatening?

http://www.frso.org/about/statements.htm

and in the 2009 listing you find the support for the Tiananmen massacre.

Maybe that is not threatening per se. How about these quotes taken from documents on the site?

FRSO believes that the working class has an historic mission. We’re not involved in the unions out of charity for the poor workers, or to pressure the system for reforms. We believe that the multi-national working class and the capitalist class have only one thing in common: a future of conflict. The workers and the bosses will fight each other until the workers and their allies achieve final victory.

Our enemies have wealth and power, and they are organized. We need a communist party to successfully confront them and to destroy the system of monopoly capitalism

Meh...more laughable than outright threatening. But still...

This is an organization that supports the Tiananmen massacre, is proud to proclaim its Marxist-Leninist stance, advocates violent revolution, and thus is populated by people who would happily commit mass murder a la Stalin and Mao were they in power. So they are not quite the "peace activists" as so many have portrayed them on this thread. They are Lenin/Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot wannabees, so they are in the same circle as neo-nazi scum in my book.

[Odin2005]

123. Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss.

[mistertrickster]

124. I'm in a socialist cell too. We read books and GASP! discuss them.

Wonder if we're on the targeted list . . .

[Downwinder]

127. The Uptake has video.

http://theuptake.org/category/states/minnesota/

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

128. Some of the comments in this thread...

remind of the RW knee jerk defense of the branch davidians.

Oh, the government's a bunch of jackbooted thugs. Oh, they're squelching their right to practice Christianity as they see fit.

[Vinnie From Indy]

137. So basically you're offering a "wait & see" strategy while at the same time sneaking in

a snarky attack on any liberal that would have the gumption to question the motivation of the FBI in serving these warrants on these peace activists. Is that about right? Cheers!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

139. "wait and see" is better then knee jerk freakouts, yes.

I disagree with the "sneaking" part. I thought it was very straight forward.

[Bjorn Against]

138. You are comparing peace activists to the Branch Davidians and accusing us of being knee jerk?

I personally know these people, you simply put out a knee jerk response that compares them to a cult of heavily armed religious fanatics without having any knowledge of who they are.

These are peaceful activists, I know this because I am involved in the Twin Cities Anti-War community. You have no knowledge of the situation what so ever.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

140. You know who else were peace activists?

The weathermen.

Am I comparing these guys with the branch davidians? No. I'm comparing the knee jerk anti-authority attitudes of the people who are upset over this legal search warrant, to the knee jerk anti-authority attitudes of the people who were against that other search warrant.

"You have no knowledge of the situation what so ever."

Neither do you. You know who does? The FBI and the judge who gave them the warrant.

[Bjorn Against]

141. They are not Weathermen either...

I personally know these people so yes I do have knowledge of the situation. You don't have direct knowledge, you simply trust the same FBI that had Martin Luther King's phones tapped.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

142. I trust the FBI more than I trust anonymous internet posters.

They have a much better reputation.

The fact that the FBI has made mistakes in the past does not mean it's a valid assumption that they're doing it again if they happen to serve a warrant on somebody you like.

[Downwinder]

144. From personal experience with Fan Belt Inspectors, I trust the activists. n/t

[Bjorn Against]

145. Yet you seem to think it is a valid assumption that the FBI is right to target those you don't like

The FBI has gone far beyond making "mistakes" when it comes to targeting peace activists, Martin Luther King, Howard Zinn, Abbie Hoffman, and many other prominent and lesser known figures in the peace movement have been targeted by the FBI. You seem to want to assume that these activists who you know nothing about are guilty until proven innocent, you are the one who is making a knee jerk response.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

146. I support peace activists.

I just don't let my own personal biases get in the way of rational thought.

[Bjorn Against]

147. What have you done to support peace activists?

I hear you insulting the peace community constantly, for some reason I don't think you truly support peace activists and based on the hundreds of knee-jerk posts I have read from you I sure as hell don't think you know anything about rational thought.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

" I hear you insulting the peace community constantly"

No you don't.

[Bjorn Against]

185. Oh sorry, it must have been my imagination when you compared us to Branch Davidian supporters

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

188. I wasn't comparing peace activists to branch davidian supporters.

But that's just the sort of knee jerk reaction I was talking about.

[G_j]

266. no, you are more generous than that

not one to be stingy with the insults.

[quakerboy]

229. Only with a certain set of authoritarian minded

people.

[G_j]

268. FBI Placed Left-Wing Activists On Terrorism Watch List Without Cause

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4546767&utm_source=tweetdeck&utm_medium=twitter



The FBI had a weak factual basis for opening and extending some investigations of U.S. activist groups and put individuals affiliated with Greenpeace USA on the terrorist watch list improperly, a report by the Justice Department's Inspector General released Monday found.

In addition, FBI Director Robert Mueller was also found to have unintentionally provided inaccurate testimony to Congress because he was given bad information. FBI personnel told him that certain persons of interest in international terrorism matters were expected to be present at an anti-war rally in Pittsburgh in 2002, according to the report.

The review addressed FBI activities from 2001 to 2006 related to the Thomas Merton Center; People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA); Greenpeace USA; The Catholic Worker; and an individual described as a Quaker peace activist.

None of these groups were targeted by the FBI on the basis of their First Amendment activities, the report found. But the factual bases for opening some investigations of individuals affiliated with the groups were weak. The FBI also extended the duration of investigations without adequate basis in some cases, and the bureau improperly retained information about the groups in its files.

In addition, the FBI also wrongly classified some nonviolent civil disobedience under its "Acts of Terrorism" classification, which led to subjects being added to the watchlist without merit.

<snip>


this news is less than a week old!!!

[LanternWaste]

319. Six of one, half a dozen of the other you see...

The fact that some peace groups has made mistakes in the past does not mean it's a valid assumption that they're doing it again...

Six of one, half a dozen of the other you see.


However, if we want real numbers, I could suggest looking for the answers to the following, and then form a tenuous premise on that plus info already given pertaining to story.

Number of FBI (the real FBI-- not some kids pretending to be) transgressions against lawful American peace groups = ?

Number of American peace groups (real peace groups, not some kids pretending to be) bent to overthrow the government = ?

(New math and all that...)

[Vinnie From Indy]

143. You know who else attacked peace activists for speaking out against being attacked by police?

The Nazis!

Your reasoning is only slightly amusing.


I'll bet your the type of guy that wants peace activists to wear some sort of visible symbol or "flair" on their clothing at all times. You know who else made people wear "flair"?

The Nazis!

OK! Your turn.

[Confusious]

252. you mentioned NAZIs

you lose.

[G_j]

285. as somebody said:

that law has been revoked due to prevailing circumstances...

[Vinnie From Indy]

292. You know who came up with that notion don't you?

The NAZIS!
Cheers!

[fascisthunter]

304. lol... okeedokee

[LanternWaste]

320. I mentioned Nazis in a conversation about WWII. I guess I lost

I mentioned Nazis in a conversation about WWII. I guess I lost based on a trendy internet meme--- how long before LOL cats become the next new thing to avoid the opinions of others...?

[socialist_n_TN]

187. Some of us are leftists..................

Being anti authority is part of the gig. I'll ALWAYS believe and be on the side of the dissenters over the government until it's proven to MY satisfaction that I'm wrong.

[LanternWaste]

318. I have little doubt they remind you of that.

I have little doubt they remind you of that as we often carry our mnemonic devices around with us...

[Techn0Girl]

149. FBI raids homes of several Twin Cities war protesters

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

The homes of five Twin Cities activists, including three prominent leaders of the Twin Cities antiwar movement, were raided Friday by the FBI in what an agency spokesman described as an "investigation into activities concerning the material support of terrorism." The office of an antiwar organization also was reportedly raided.
...
Among the homes raided were the apartments of Jessica Sundin, who was a principal leader of the mass antiwar march of 10,000 on the opening day of the Republican National Convention two years ago, and Mick Kelly, who was prominent in that protest and among those who announced plans to march on the Democratic National Convention in Minneapolis, if the city is selected to host it in 2012. Neither has been arrested.
...
The offices of the Anti-War Committee, a local organization that has sponsored many of the peace protests in the Twin Cities over the last decade, was also raided by the FBI, activists and attorneys said.

Ted Dooley, an attorney, said he had reviewed the search warrant issued in the raid on Kelly's apartment. "It's a probe into the political beliefs of American citizens and to any organization anywhere that opposes the American imperial design," he said.
...


Read more: http://www.startribune.com/local/103716104.html?elr=KArks:DCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

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Seems to me that THIS administration behaves NO differently than the last one when it comes to people speaking out against the military-industrial complex.

And all this by the way occurs under the auspices of the misnamed Patriot Act that this Administration STILL has not spoken out against or repealed.

[FiveGoodMen]

150. K&R

[Scuba]

151. What? We're now legally required to support the wars???

[enough]

152. This is state terrorism. (nt)

[HereSince1628]

157. Nope. It is re-education. Used effectively by the Soviets and the Chi-Comms

And apparently, now coming to a neighborhood near you.

The Soviets put thousands in mental hospitals to help the process. The Chinese just did a cultural revolution and worked the dissenters to death.

The REAL problem with immigration has less to do with skin pigment and poor people than the ruling class and their horrific tyrannical ideas.

[ixion]

153. And the 'war' on Freedom rolls on

:(

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

154. You're assuming the arrests are unjustified.

Big assumption.

[Ignis]

160. The FBI's record with anti-war protestors should be taken into account.

In which case, the assumption becomes less big, no?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

164. The FBI's record in catching criminals should be taken into account.

The assumption's just a lot of wishful thinking. If the arrested were RW activists of some sort, you wouldn't be giving them the benefit of so much doubt.

[Ignis]

171. I'm sure the OIG at the DOJ were just assuming, as well.

http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/s1009r.pdf

[pattmarty]

179. But they weren't RW activists, were they? The FBI as you fucking know.........

...........has a LONG history of harassing left/war/civil rights protesters for years. They Don't harass RW people as seen at many tea party's with nuts with guns present.

[Ken Burch]

314. Democratic administrations aren't SUPPOSED to ever arrest leftists.

And there's been no such thing as violence on the left in this country since the end of the Weather Underground.

[rug]

163. You're assuming someone was arrested. They were executing search warrants.

No arrests. Don't worry, you'll have your chance to defend this later.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

166. Meh, point remains.

You're still assuming the warrant wasn't warranted.

[rug]

168. You're assuming I assume that. My post said nothing about it.

Probable cause is such a nuisance. Let's just proceed on assumptions.

Although in this case, not even the FBI thinks it has probable cause to make an arrest. Maybe they should consult you.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

169. More of an inference than an assumption.

"Don't worry, you'll have your chance to defend this later."

Because Obama is as bad as Bush and this is some totalitarian re-education soviet nazi attack on the rights of peace activists.

[rug]

170. More like projection than an inference.

Because Obama is a constitutional lawyer and his FBI has a sterling record and would never act as totalitarian fascists breaking into activists' homes without a neutral and detached magistrate signing a search warrant based on an affidavit of probable assumption.

Oh, and the war in Iraq is over. So there.

[Techn0Girl]

172. FWIW - whomever you are replying to I have on "ignore" ....

and I usually only to that to people who do what they are doing to you :) - endless replies back that shift and change and never address what you talk about. FWIW.

[rug]

175. Well, you haven't missed anything.

[socialist_n_TN]

181. Not so much............

Just like the "anarchists" in Canada who turned out to be undercover cops AND numerous FBI and other government agency overreaches in THIS country over the decades, I'm siding with the activists. I don't trust those government fuckers and I never will. As others have said, aren't there enough heavily armed RW nutjobs to go after?

It's the beginnings of the capitalist counterattack on anticapitalists under the auspices of the government's "War on Terra".

[Jeffersons Ghost]

155. K&R!!!

[The Magistrate]

156. This Looks Awfully Shaky, Ma'am

The 'material support' law has been ballooned into shapelessness. One is reminded of old English treason law, of which it was said that 'A man who said "Godspeed" in greeting to fellow later taken by the King's men might find himself hanged for a rebel.'

[Ignis]

161. It does. That horse has been beaten into shapelessness.

[Bryn]

158. That's because War is a Racket (for profits for super rich/corporations)

War is a Racket

Written by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient, Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC, Retired

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.

<snip>

WHO MAKES THE PROFITS?

The World War, rather our brief participation in it, has cost the United States some $52,000,000,000. Figure it out. That means $400 to every American man, woman, and child. And we haven't paid the debt yet. We are paying it, our children will pay it, and our children's children probably still will be paying the cost of that war.

The normal profits of a business concern in the United States are six, eight, ten, and sometimes twelve percent. But war-time profits – ah! that is another matter – twenty, sixty, one hundred, three hundred, and even eighteen hundred per cent – the sky is the limit. All that traffic will bear. Uncle Sam has the money. Let's get it.

read more:

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

[Techn0Girl]

162. Thank you ! :) I've said it before and I will say it again....

maybe it will become a meme! ....

The Taliban is not nearly the threat to American security and welfare as is Haliburton, Blackwater , GE, Bechtel, Titan etc - ALL of whom gave hundreds of MILLIONS in lobbying fees , kickbacks, political contributions, etc in order to continue a war that kills and maims between five to ten thousand American men and women soldiers a year PLUS uncounted civilian contractors.

These greedy bastard corporations have directly been responsible for the death or maiming of over fifty thousand Americans.

By contrast those Saudis who did 9-11 killed 3300.

This war must end.
No more war.

[sulphurdunn]

173. Gen. Butler is also remembered

for blowing the whistle on the attempted 1933 military coup conspiracy (The Business Conspiracy) against the Roosevelt administration by moneyed interests of whom the Bush family was preeminent.

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." Gen. Smedley Butler

[RaleighNCDUer]

299. The nerve of that guy - complaining about a mere 52 billion.

I wonder what he'd have to say about today.

[HillbillyBob]

159. The real terrorists are the bastards with the badges.

nt

[Bjorn Against]

165. Holy shit...I know at least a couple of the people who were raided

I am still waiting to hear all the names, but I have been involved with the twin cities anti-war community for some time so I am really worried about my friends. We will not stop fighting no matter what the fascists do to try to intimidate us.

[Techn0Girl]

174. Ever sent then an email?

Because if you read the link in the OP - the FBI took computers and the search warrant allows them to search electronic communications.

And with Obama's Patriot act (it is his now, right?) they now have the right to monitor your communications, without a normal search warrant - if you are involved.

Ever sent them an email?

[Bjorn Against]

176. I have, and I know at least one piece of mail they sent me was opened for inspection

A few years ago I received a news letter from them and the seal on the envelope was broken and the letter stamped "opened for postal inspection". I know that my name will turn up in their computer files, but it is not like the police are not already aware that I have been involved in the anti-war movement. I am not going to let them intimidate me though and I am not going to do anything differently than I have done in the past. In fact if anything this is going to make me even louder, they are not going to scare the anti-war community into silence.

[socialist_n_TN]

182. Good luck and the blessings of whatever God(ess)

there is be upon you. It IS all for intimidation purposes. The capitalists want to silence us and I'm with you. I WILL NOT be silenced.

[cory777]

167. k&r

[katandmoon]

177. It's Obama's DOJ and FBI. Hence it was Obama who did this.

[Techn0Girl]

178. And to a certain extent it is on me because I voted this administration in

[katandmoon]

189. So did I but I won't make the same mistake twice.

[Downwinder]

180. No, it is the prosecutor for the Northern District of Illinois. n/t

[socialist_n_TN]

183. Interesting. Was he a Republican apointee?

Seriously curious.

[Downwinder]

190. Patrick Fitzgerald

[undergroundpanther]

194. There is a history of labeling activists

That help and stand for peace and oppressed people as "violent". Be it the black panthers,Peltier, the blac bloc,communist orgs.,anarchists,Food not Bombs,Quakers, or the vice kings. I also know cops can get away with corruption easy,if they blame the victim first and their fellow cops tolerate and rationalize the corruption. So the CIA and FBI can even more easily do get away with murder.The difference that points to the secretive government police type orgs. acting as the true thugs against people who are part of or protecting people labeled as those threatening to the socially sanctioned thugs.

The thing I look for is what/who they really standing up for,and what is the difference in the connections to powerful people or corporations they have and actual POWER there is between the activist groups and the FBI,CIA,NSA etc. working for the 'State' have.

Communists and anarchists are easy for the state to make into scapegoats because most people are taught anarchists are all scary and violent ,and communists are really fascists..,meanwhile real fascism,homophobia and racist assholes really does run amok in Washington political circles of the old white rich boy authoritarian set.. A network of fraudsters and sociopaths hiding thier true natures from us,where the hatred of various groups of people who rise up against those in power hate,who do not want to be abused,fight in the war racket,or live in a cold capitalist world where life itself has a price tag on it,or do not want to be dominated,or 'mainstreamed '..The powerful has a hate that flows nearly unabated. BUT,it is not openly said enough by those old ugly greedy hypocrites in power,or reported by the corporate media enough to raise the public's ire and alarm. There is a double standard.

For example of this double standard many people believe is not THERE ,exists of dangerous govt radical orgs.VS peaceful activists.. An example of one quasi government org. is ,Blackwater,now Xe...Xe is a MERCINARY FANATICAL RIGHT WING FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN CULT/Government contractor& quasi christian 'warrior' army that commits war crimes ,and other massive abuses of power with our government's unspoken support and sanction ,and so Xe gets away with it.

another example on the activist side that gets scapegoated is the Blac Bloc.The Blac Bloc is a tactic of some Anarchists. They protect protesters from police violence.They help protesters get away from tear gas, they help protesters who are injured or suffering from pepper spray or whatever crowd deterring weapons the protesters are hurt by,they step in to defend protesters being abused by police,and speak out about the abuses they witness.

Most people do not see or know who the blac bloc is, it's not an organization it is a TACTIC...But when protesters get hurt they are thankful for the nice guy who protected/helped them.

http://mlcastle.net/raisethefist/bloc.html

[boppers]

247. The panthers, black bloc[k], and anarchists are pacifists!

...err...

Wat?

[Downwinder]

251. So were the Ghost Dancers. n/t

[mmonk]

197. Could it be related to this?

U.S. progressives meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

New York, NY - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad met here, September 21, with 100 leaders and representatives of anti-war, labor, alternative media and Iranian and Palestinian solidarity organizations. Among the participants were Sarah Martin, Freedom Road Socialist Organization, Margaret Sarfehjooy, board member of the Minneapolis-based Women Against Military Madness, former attorney general Ramsey Clark, former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, Sara Flounders from the International Action Center, Brian Becker of the ANSWER coalition, Ramona Africa of the Free Mumia Coalition and Amiri Baraka, poet and activist.

[Marengo]

202. Good Catch

I think that may very well be it.

That being said, the article is rather nauseating. Characterizing Ahmadinejad as some kind of people's hero is absurd.

[mmonk]

210. The raid may be a play at intimidation.

[defendandprotect]

203. No one posted the article about a week ago where FBI -- evidently attempting to capture Homeland

Security money -- was branding anti-war activists as "terrorists" --

Can't remember exactly how this went but it was NEVER posted here and I couldn't

find it when I tried to go back for it!!

[mmonk]

209. I would be interested in that.

[defendandprotect]

222. It was at ....

Common Dreams -- last week, I think -- just been looking there again -- no luck.

Can't vouch for exactly what it said --

and can't recall who wrote it!

But environmentalists, animal-rights activists and anti-war protesters have been

complaining about being cited as "terrorists" -- for quite some years now.

Though FBI says that Timothy McVeigh wasn't a domestic terrorist!!

[laughingliberal]

245. This one? :

FBI Placed Left-Wing Activists On Terrorism Watch List Without Cause


The FBI had a weak factual basis for opening and extending some investigations of U.S. activist groups and put individuals affiliated with Greenpeace USA on the terrorist watch list improperly, a report by the Justice Department's Inspector General released Monday found.

In addition, FBI Director Robert Mueller was also found to have unintentionally provided inaccurate testimony to Congress because he was given bad information. FBI personnel told him that certain persons of interest in international terrorism matters were expected to be present at an anti-war rally in Pittsburgh in 2002, according to the report.

The review addressed FBI activities from 2001 to 2006 related to the Thomas Merton Center; People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA); Greenpeace USA; The Catholic Worker; and an individual described as a Quaker peace activist.

None of these groups were targeted by the FBI on the basis of their First Amendment activities, the report found. But the factual bases for opening some investigations of individuals affiliated with the groups were weak. The FBI also extended the duration of investigations without adequate basis in some cases, and the bureau improperly retained information about the groups in its files. <snip>


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/fbi_wrongly_placed_left-wing_activists_on_terrorism_watch_list.php?ref=fpb

Deja vu all over again, I think.

[defendandprotect]

276. That's part of the story I'm talking about ....

but my impression was the story I was reading combined it with a charge that

FBI was seeking Homeland Security money in it's chase of "terrorists."

Since I only read the headline and a bit of the article, I can't say more than that.


Independent from any article that might have existed or not -- it is obvious that

the lure of Homeland Security is of interest to agencies and state governments.

Reminds me of that article some time back where our prison system was finding it

expedient to have judges work with them to throw kids in jail!


Thanks for your help!

[Downwinder]

246. They had one on PA from emptywheel.firedoglake.

When Political Activism Gets Treated as Potential Terrorism

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/09/15/when-political-activism-gets-treated-as-potential-terrorism/

[defendandprotect]

278. That's a little closer ....

because it actually mentions Homeland Security --

but the article I'm thinking of suggested a push by FBI to label anti-war

activists as "terrorists" in order to reap Homeland Security money.

Thank you for your help!!

:)

[G_j]

282. some are acting like this happened in a vacuum

nt

[Eyerish]

205. K&R

[defendandprotect]

214. Here's another story of harassment of peace-activists by FBI ....

http://www.dailyiowan.com/2010/09/23/Opinions/18950.html

[defendandprotect]

217. Article here .... I'll post it --

http://www.canadaeast.com/news/article/1233381

[undergroundpanther]

220. Here are a few more reports of the FBI targeting people

Who are peaceful

And one of the FBI calling a right wing murderer a non- terrorist.
http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/homeland-security-says-timothy-mcveigh-isnt-a-terrorist-but-peace-activists-are/701/

http://www.aclu-md.org/aPress/Press2008/071708_PeaceGroups.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-robbins/what-is-the-difference-be_1_b_720012.html

Exposing and Preventing FBI Spying
Responding to ACLU FOIA requests filed in 20 states on behalf of more than 150 organizations and individuals, the government has released documents that reveal FBI monitoring and infiltration by the FBI and local law enforcement, targeting political, environmental, anti-war and faith-based groups.

Our clients include advocates for the environment, animal rights, labor, religion, Native American rights, fair trade, grassroots politics, peace, social justice, nuclear disarmament, human rights and civil liberties. When the FBI invades the privacy of political and religious groups in the name of fighting terrorism, it abuses our trust and threatens our freedom. The public deserves to know who is being investigated and why.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/fbi-jttf-spying
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/09/oig-fbi-inappropriately-tracked-domestic-advocacy-groups/63276/
http://www.centerforinvestigativereporting.org/blogpost/20090310homelandsecurityusaobamawantstohire‘thousands’fordomesticintel
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/09/23/the-six-fbi-reports-treating-merton-center-anti-war-activism-as-terrorism/

http://blogs.alternet.org/grantlawrence/2010/09/22/peaceful-protest-considered-domestic-terrorism-by-the-fbi/

[Starry Messenger]

224. k & r

The FBI has been doing the bidding of capital since before it was the FBI. Google the Palmer Raids. Palmer's assistant was young J. Edgar...http://law.jrank.org/pages/12220/Hoover-J-Edgar-Palmer-Raids.html

[RetroLounge]

233. I think it's very telling that the same posters that defend the FBI

are the same ones, well, you know.

:puke:

RL

[SoapBox]

234. How about going after those "Oath Keepers" creeps in El Paso?

...they sound REALLY creepy and dangerous.

[johnaries]

235. "But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, ..."

Apparently, this "anti-war" group supports Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. If they also support FTO's as the subpoena's are intended to find out, they are HARDlY "anti-war".

[avaistheone1]

313. That doesn't make them terrorists.

It is no excuse to arrest and harass them.

[defendandprotect]

238. FBI serves warrants on anti-war activists, Chicago homes, looking for terrorist ties

Source: AP Canada East

FBI serves warrants on anti-war activists, Chicago homes, looking for terrorist ties

Saturday, September 25, 2010

MINNEAPOLIS - The FBI said it searched eight locations in Minneapolis and Chicago as part of a terrorism investigation Friday. Warrants suggest agents were looking for connections between local anti-war activists and terrorist groups in Colombia and the Middle East.

Supporters of anti-war activists whose homes were raided by FBI agents gathered, Friday, Sept. 24, 2010 in Minneapolis. The FBI searched eight addresses in Minneapolis and Chicago on Friday. Warrants suggest they're looking for connections between local anti-war activists and terrorist groups in Colombia and the Middle East. (AP Photo/Jim Mone FBI spokesman Steve Warfield told The Associated Press agents served six warrants in Minneapolis and two in Chicago.

"These were search warrants only," Warfield said. "We're not anticipating any arrests at this time. They're seeking evidence relating to activities concerning the material support of terrorism."

The homes of longtime Minneapolis anti-war activists Mick Kelly, Jess Sundin and Meredith Aby were among those searched, they said. All three were subpoenaed to appear before a federal grand jury in Chicago: Aby on Oct. 5, Sundin on Oct. 12 and Kelly on Oct. 19.



Read more: http://www.canadaeast.com/news/article/1233381

[jberryhill]

240. FARC leader killed in bombing raid in Colombia on Wednesday this week, btw

[truedelphi]

249. Fascist states must suppress the moderates.

That is why the Media, including C Span, devotes so much time to covering Teabagger events, even if only 110 people show up.

But those who bring the Common Sense policies of Anti-war, taxing the Big Corporations, legalizing marijuana, and returning real jobs to the USA, to the table for discussion are the targets - and have been since Reagan's days in office.

This is one of the things that is really scary about the supposedly liberal Obama Administration.

I mean, really

SCARY!!!

[RedCloud]

259. Citizen's commission to investigate FBI shows they attack lefties 97% of the time.

They are trained attack dogs and would make the gestapo proud of how they seldom do anything against the righties.

[Catherina]

261. This is war on the ISM activitsts

"The FBI is harassing anti-war organizers and leaders, folks who opposed U.S. intervention in the Middle East and Latin America," Kelly said before agents confiscated his cell phone.

Sundin said she believes the searches are connected with the Minnesota Anti-War Committee's opposition to U.S. military aid to Colombia and Israel, as well as its opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

...

Stepping outside his house briefly as FBI agents searched inside, Iosbaker was clearly shaken when he told The Associated Press: "I have done nothing wrong."

Their attorney, Melinda Power, said the warrant cited possible support, in her words, "for unnamed terrorist organizations." Iosbaker and Weiner were summoned to testify before a grand jury on Oct. 5.

...

The federal law cited in the search warrant prohibits "providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations."

"I'm having a hard time paying my rent," Kelly said. "There is no material support."

...

Kelly's subpoena also commanded him to bring records he might have relating to the Middle East and Colombia, along with "all records of any payment provided directly or indirectly to Hatam Abudayyeh."

The subpoena did not further identify Abudayyeh, but FightBack has interviewed and carried articles by a Hatem Abudayyeh who's the executive director of the Chicago-based Arab American Action Network. Abudayyeh did not immediately return a phone message left at his office.

Kelly said he went to Lebanon two years ago for a Palestinian solidarity conference, and he's been on Colombian radio by phone from the U.S.

Sundin said she visited Colombia 10 years ago for a conference organized by a social movement there in opposition to U.S. military aid.

Aby said she went to Palestine in 2002 and Colombia in 2004 and 2006 to meet with activists. She said anyone who's an activist in those counties gets labeled as a terrorist.

...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gqOR09wHcq7ZB-Bdb4D5ZIZUY5bAD9IEKUC01


You can read about Hatem Abudayyeh's *crimes* of sympathy with the oppressed on this hateful, hysterical, unhinged *terrorist* watch list.



http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1427

[anachro1]

274. Did not the meme say

this is the year to scare all the white people?

[Junkdrawer]

279. Preemptive strike? Is there an "event" on the horizon?

Why else would they be hassling a moribund peace movement? :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

281. What kind of "event" .... they went to great pains to ignore

9/11 "terrorists" -- two of whom were on FBI's 24-hour watch list!

And those two bought one way tickets on American Airlines with a credit card

in their own name!

FBI never alerted the airline.

Why did FBI bug Albert Einstein's home -

Why is our government amassing 1.7 billion e-mail messages every day and

hired 30,000 people to listen to phone calls?

[Junkdrawer]

283. What I'm suggesting is that if you knew that a new military escalation...

was on the horizon, perhaps you would want to keep anti-war protests down by eliminating the protest organizers.

[defendandprotect]

284. Anything is possible re military escalations, I guess ....

but the elections are also coming and I don't think it's in the interests of

either party to have anti-war protesters be very visible?

Always lots of reasons to interfere with the right to free assembly and protest!


Who would have thought that the US would allow, much less pay for, the National Security Agency to intercept and store 1.7 billion emails, phone calls and other communications – every single day – and pay for 30,000 people to listen in on phone conversations in the name of fighting the fear of terrorism?

From a recent article on FEAR at Common Dreams --

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/09/07-7


However, while I think there has always been an FBI anxiety over anti-war and environmental and

animal rights activism, there may now be further impetus for FBI to try to label anti-war

activists as "terrorists" for Homeland Security money ---- ???

[G_j]

286. according to an attorney representing Kelly,

The political nature of the raids was barely concealed. The warrant to raid Kelly’s home specifically cited his membership in a group calling itself socialist, the Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Signed by US Magistrate Judge Susan Nelson at 3:30 p.m. Thursday, it allowed the FBI to take “documents, files, books, photographs, videos, souvenirs, war relics, notebooks, address books, diaries, journals, maps, or other evidence, including evidence in electronic form relating to Kelly’s travels to and from and presence and activities in Minnesota and foreign countries, to which Kelly has traveled as part of his work for FRSO,” according to an attorney representing Kelly.

Kelly evidently spoke with the Associated Press as his home was being searched. The AP reported the interview in the following way: “‘The FBI is harassing anti-war organizers and leaders, folks who opposed US intervention in the Middle East and Latin America,’ Kelly said before agents confiscated his cell phone.” Kelly said he was “absolutely not” involved in any illegal activities.

Attorney Ted Dooley examined the search warrant used in the raid on Kelly’s apartment. “It’s a probe into the political beliefs of American citizens and to any organization anywhere that opposes the American imperial design,” he commented.

Also targeted in the raid of his apartment, according to Dooley, are all of “Kelly’s personal contacts in the United States and abroad, which means absolutely everybody that Kelly’s ever been in contact with, anywhere. I’d say it’s kind of unconstitutional and hideous, myself. It’s very broad. It’s disgusting.”



http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/sep2010/raid-s25.shtml

[EFerrari]

287. How many of us could be in the exact same situation

because we oppose apartheid in Gaza and the war on democracy in Latin America?

[G_j]

289. anyone who is active

in opposing US foreign policy

[NoodleyAppendage]

294. Where are the Major Media outlets on this!!!????!!!

I've seen nothing on the majors about this...though I'm not surprised.

J

[MetaTrope]

300. Good Morning America had one-minute mentions of it yesterday

in between hard-hitting 10-minute segments on Jennifer Lopez' bail and "potty-mouthed kids".

[FlyByNight]

301. Cointelpro 2.0?

It seems that the alphabet soup of law enforcement organizations target potential terrorists as a passing thought.

Going after leftist/peace/non-violent groups has ALWAYS been the primary focus. A cursory examination of the FBI's history bears this out.

Foreign wars lead to less rights here at home.

[avaistheone1]

312. Well who is in charge?

Whose watch is this happening on? The buck stops with who?