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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:34 AM
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Rebels Attack U.S. Convoy Near Fallujah (New)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115822,00.html

Rebels Attack U.S. Convoy Near Fallujah

Thursday, April 01, 2004

FALLUJAH, Iraq — Insurgents attacked a U.S. military convoy near Fallujah (search) on Thursday and a Humvee (search) vehicle was burned, witnesses said.

It was not clear if there were any casualties. U.S. officials in Baghdad said they could not confirm the attack

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The attack... came a day after the grisly killing and mutilation of four American civilians in the city that drew outrage from U.S. officials who vowed to stay the course in Iraq.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:42 AM
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1. The increasingly frequent, brazen and brutal attacks...
...clearly demonstrate our overwhelming success in the War on Terror.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:48 AM
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2. Explosives are cheap and available, and blood flows easily..
They are not going to stop.. Yet, Bremer & the Boys are "sure" that the "hand-off" will still happen on time... They are just waiting to hand this hot potato over to the UN and any other suckers that may come along to "help"...

I have said it many times.. They are just like a couple of teenagers , left alone for the first time.. Mom and Dad said "no parties", and yet as soon as Mom & Dad were not looking, they trashed the house, cleaned out the bank account, wrecked the car..and NOW they are begging anyone they can to help them clean up the mess..

This mis-adventure was wrong from the get go and we are paying dearly..

The UN will probably feel obligated to jump back in, and then the Bushistas will turn this whole mess back on THEM...and in a few months we will be reading stories about how "ineffective" the UN is, and how we are wasting our TAX DOLLARS on the UN..

They are shameless..bold..ignorant and armed.. a deadly combination
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:55 AM
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3. U got that right!
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 03:55 AM by rozf
I would add arrogant 2 your list - arrogant and armed. I am continually astounded by their complete lack...utter dearth of humanity.

This group is making nixon look good and I hated nixon.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:38 AM
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14. You beat me to it on the "arrogant" attitude of the cabal
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:06 AM
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4. Good lord, it's Risky Business.
You forgot to mention the whores they let do business in the house.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:20 AM
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6. Whores, you say??? Republicans just love to "investigate" sex
:)
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:56 AM
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18. So true. The only sins they know are those of the flesh.
But when it comes to lying, cheating and stealing, well that's a different matter altogether.

Unfortunately, it's not just the Republicans, a large segment of our population feels the same way about sex.

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:08 AM
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5. I'm afraid that the US will stay no matter what -
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.
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With all the references to Vietnam, and as most know, Vietnam did not end in "victory", so there is no way that the USA is going to admit "defeat", regardless of the carnage that is happening because they are still there.

I'm fearful that the US will stay there just out of plain old stubbornness, cutting of their nose to spite their face sort of thing - -

I just can't see the Administration admitting they were wrong, even if it's the truth . .

(sigh)
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:08 AM
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19. Good points!
I thought the sticker price would shock some sense into them but nothing doing.

I agree that 'plain old stubbornness' attitiude is undermining even their own plans by alienating potential allies and enraging the Iraqis and other Arabs.

Its seems like we learned nothing from the Viet Nam War.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:27 PM
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29. They will never admit anything
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goz Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:29 AM
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12. The UN should required that the US & UK foot the bill...
... if it (the UN) is asked has to replace the occupying forces.
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goz Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:22 AM
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21. The UN should demand that the US & UK foot the bill...
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termo Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 03:30 AM
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39. UN should let the US and the UK were they are...
at least up to the election, and UN should send some troops in US to monitor these election.
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 04:04 AM
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40. No, I am sure the UN would love to pick up the tab if:
GWB goes on national television and:

apologizes for:

1. misleading the world about WMD:s,
2. undermining the security council and ultimately the US administration itself,
3. inflammatory statements such as "you are either with us or against us"

promising:

1. to relieve Rumsfeldt and Cheney from their positions,
2. to make a "strategic" decision to once again have the US join the international community.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:34 AM
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7. Viet Nam Parallel # 492:
"outrage from U.S. officials who vowed to stay the course..." This is what Pete Seeger calls being "neck deep in the Big Muddy and the Big Fool says 'push on.' "

Let's see. An American soldier's body is dragged through the streets of Mogadishu and the Right is outraged, calling again for Bill Clinton's head on a platter.

Flash forward a decade or so. FOUR AMERICANS are killed and mutilated, with at least one of the bodies dragged through the streets of Fallujah. Nary a peep out of the Right. Nobody seems to be calling for bu$h's head on a platter. Not Atkins-friendly, I guess.

"The one thing we learn from History is that we learn nothing from Hitory."--George Bernard Shaw

:freak:
dbt


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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:40 AM
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8. Spot On
The Cluster fuck continues

I love the outrage about the corpses dragged through the streets.

I remember last summer being treated to hours of displays of the corpses of Saddam's sons on TV. And various Amerikan officials commenting on how "GOOD" it made them feel.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 07:27 AM
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11. Somehow I don't think these people were like Uday and Qusay...


I don't think this is the "same thing" at all. Granted showing the two on TV after they died may have upset a few people, but we did not mutilate their bodies. The two were clearly criminal and treated their victims a lot worse than they were treated in the end. Nope....I don't think this is analogous at all.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:34 AM
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13. I don't understand
Are you saying the ad nauseum display of the photos of the Hussein brothers was OK for family TV, but the photos and videotapes of the Mercenaries barbecued yesterday was not because they were Amerikans?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:42 AM
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15. Yeah.
I think he was saying that.

Go figure.
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goz Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:26 AM
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22. LOL. The dude with the large tin foil hat...
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:59 PM
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35. No, I'm saying that....


...showing the brothers on TV was a way of proving they were dead. That's my opinion. I don't think the two examples are analogous, so sue me, I guess.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:45 AM
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16. That's the way I read it saigon68 - but perhaps that poster would
feel differently if his house was blown up and the family had been wiped out while the sister was raped before being killed.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 08:19 PM
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38. Were they really Mercs?


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goz Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:19 AM
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20. The killing of Uday and Qusay was...
... a clear extra-territorial political assassination by an illegal occupier! Just like the execution of Sheikh Dir Yassin*. How dare the US to "punish by death" foreign political leaders? Where's the mandate? This is a Pandora box. In this particular case, the side that has the more blood on its hands is clearly NOT the Iraqui one. It's not the same, it's worst!

(*) Blowing up a wheel-chair and its occupant with air-ground missiles (3)... WOW! You have to see it to believe it! Reality is now surpassing fiction... The Zionits don't seem to grasp the ridicule of this "brave deed". On the contrary, they are overwhelmingly approving it! Besides, vaporising a muslim close equivalent of a Pope, LIVE... Geez, how clever! Am I being anti-semite, here?
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:44 AM
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25. No, these were just soldiers of fortune
Hired with our tax money and paid 6 figure incomes to take some of the political pressure of continued military casualties. The killed and wounded we read about daily are usually only the actual military personnel. It is only when there is a camera handy that we hear about the foreign or US mercenaries that have been attacked.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:52 AM
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17. 'U.S. officials vow to stay the course': Quagmire Accomplished!
dbt your posting is on the money!

I'd only add that Somalia has little or no oil whereas Iraq has one of the world's largest reserves.

Many Americans are willing to accept 600 GI deaths for control of oil.
I also think many people want to inflict pain/ dominion over Arab peoples following 9-11.

If 600 GIs died "liberating" Haiti or Somalia you'd see outrage!

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:54 AM
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9. A photo of the burning humvee...
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 05:55 AM by leftchick

A U.S. Humvee vehicle burns on a highway near the restive Iraqi town of Falluja April 1, 2004, after it had been hit by a roadside bomb, abandoned and set on fire. Photo by Mohammed Khodor/Reuters




US Military has no comment...
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 07:20 AM
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10. The ludicrous contentions continue
"It is offensive, it is despicable the way these individuals have been treated," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

ITS A WAR.

Referring to the planned June 30 transfer of sovereignty to Iraqis, McClellan said "the best way to honor those that lost their lives" is to continue with efforts to bring democracy to Iraq.

WRONG ANSWER.

State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said the contractors, all men, "were trying to make a difference and to help others."

WE INVADED YOUR COUNTRY AND KILLED TENS OF THOUSANDS TO HELP YOU.
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Gingersnapsback Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:34 AM
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23. I met a soldier returning from IRAQ
going thru security at LAX. He said We were in better control 6 months ago, we should have left then. Now, every where you go the they have turned against us, and you have to worry about getting killed.

I was the first protester he met and he had just cleared customs. He asked why I went to Washington, if I had family in combat. I said I was worried the war would last so long that my 10 year old grandson would be drafted.

Last night they showed all of the unemployed signing up for the big war bucks jobs in Iraq. It's sooooo sad we don't even need the draft, so many are desperate for a dignified wage. What a difference * has made in our world.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:36 AM
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24. Contractors were scouts protecting the flanks
I bet there were 2 other vehicles on the convoy's other flank.

I bet these were 45 year old exMarines (can you be
exMarine? SemperFi)

Bremer made speech talking about these "contractors"
like they were soldiers. "These deaths would not go
unpunished."

Just my opinion.

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goz Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 11:04 AM
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26. Dropping the Ying Yang symbol...
I don't know if it's annoying for teryang but it definitively is for me...

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:55 PM
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30. kick
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 11:09 AM
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27. Interesting that Fox calls the attackers "rebels"
I thought romantic characterizations like "rebel" and "resistance" were discouraged by corporate media owners. Especially Fox. Wonder if this means anything?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 11:50 AM
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28. They are Resistance Fighters
Bremer's crew are mercenaries
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:22 PM
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31. It could be that the Fox blowjob specialists
are just too stupid to stay on point. Just a guess...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:32 PM
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32. al-jazeera is reporting 4 dead soldiers....
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6D0CB289-DB59-443A-BD43-A92543772767.htm

on the radio news I heard the US offical report is 3 wounded soldiers. Who knows whom to believe.....

<snip>
A US military convoy has come under attack near Falluja, a day after people in the town west of Baghdad killed and mutilated four US contractors, leading to the cancellation of a major trade fair.

Witnesses said a rocket propelled grenade hit a vehicle, leaving four US soldiers killed on Thursday but the casualties could not be confirmed.

Things are going to hell in "quiet" Basra as well...

<snip>At least one Iraqi demonstrator was shot dead by police during protests in the southern city of Basra on Thursday.

Clashes erupted between police and around 100 unemployed protestors, who set tires on fire and threw stones.

British occupation forces, who occupy Basra, said they had no immediate information.


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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:35 PM
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33. Could Be another "Bring Em On" in the offing
This is getting old
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:38 PM
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34. omg, you are right of course but
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 02:39 PM by leftchick
all this talk from the idiots in charge about getting revenge for yesterday scares the hell out of me. Perhaps I need to take a few days away from the news... :(
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 07:55 PM
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36. No word officially on deaths
Hiding them again, only after the families are notified.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 07:58 PM
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37. Just remember

Tony Keith said we wore going to put a boot up their ass, because it was the "American way"
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-04 10:14 AM
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41. Looks like the Boot
Is stuck up their ass. And it can't be dislodged
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