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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 08:03 AM
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Woman bashes Jesus display with crowbar
Source: Fort Collins Coloradoan

LOVELAND - A Montana woman, suspected of using a crowbar to break a piece of Plexiglas and destroy a controversial piece of artwork at the Loveland Museum/Gallery Wednesday faces criminal mischief charges and fines ranging from $1,000 to $2,000.

Loveland officials identified the woman as Kathleen Folden, 56, a truck driver from Kalispell, Mont., who police believe arrived at the museum with the intent of destroying the print.

The controversial print is part of "The Misadventures of Romantic Cannibals" by California artist Enrique Chagoya.

Folden was held overnight at the Larimer County Detention Center in Fort Collins.

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Read more: http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20101007/NEWS01/10070377/Woman-bashes-Jesus-display-with-crowbar



Fake-Christian extremism taken to a new level.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 08:07 AM
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1. "part of the painting shows a man who appears to be Jesus Christ engaging in a sex act with a man"
do "artists" really need to push buttons by doing things like that? seriously?


But, that woman shouldn't be wearing a t-shirt that says "Tougher than nails" if her "faith" is so easily bruised.

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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 08:45 AM
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3. Freedom of expression is freedom of expression. Artists have
it, just as you and I do. The artist did nothing illegal here. Destruction of art is a hallmark of a fascist mentality.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 08:46 AM
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4. And how would anybody know that the painting depicted Jesus Christ? Maybe if we hadn't
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 08:48 AM by sinkingfeeling
been indoctrinated with this image of of him instead of an historically accurate one, people wouldn't assume that the work of art is depicting Jesus.






Wanted to add what was quoted in the article:

"Bud Shark, the man who assembled the museum display, released a statement on Wednesday evening:
"The destruction of the Enrique Chagoya 'The Misadventures of the Romantic Cannibals' at the Loveland Museum/Gallery today is the direct result of the inflammatory and false descriptions of the piece in the press and by those protesting it's inclusion in our exhibition. The controversial image has been demonized as 'pornographic,' 'obscene' and 'depicting Jesus in a sex act' when none of this is true," Shark wrote. "I deplore the violence and intolerance of this act and call upon those organizing the protests against this piece to restrain their angry mob at once."
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 08:54 AM
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7. There is no 'historically accurate' description of person that didn't exist. n/t
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 09:04 AM
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8. Well...
...I think that it is pretty safe to say that Jesus DID exist.

The issue is that he was just a gregarious guy that liked to speak his mind. God does not exist (at least not in any manner described by any of the 3 major religions), but there are enough references to a man named Jesus being around and making news of the time.
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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 09:19 AM
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9. There really aren't and I'm surprised you do not know this, since it's something most atheist resear
at some point. Actual evidence for a historical Jesus is spotty, unreliable or just plain absent. The only reason it's become a commonly accepted thing is due to the stretchering of the truth by Christian historians (and lets face it, most historians would have been Christian when this "canon" was established).
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:19 PM
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13. Technically, there were a LOT of guys named 'Jesus' (Yeshua, Joshua)
running around Israel at the time. That's no indication that any of them were itinerant preachers found in the historical records of the time.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 05:32 PM
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17. No--it's not safe to say.
In fact, of you did a bit of objective research, you might be surpised at how little historical evidence there is that 'Jesus' ever existed.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 05:59 PM
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19. I was able to locate the ancient seaport of Nantucket
but was unable to locate the birthplace of Captain Ahab. I did find several artifacts with the name Ishmael, so I'm pretty sure the White Whale existed too. My next search will be for Tom Sawyer's cave and hope to locate Huck Finn's raft.
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bherrera Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 08:46 AM
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5. I don't think it's sex
I think Jesus is holding the man's head in his lap, but it's not sex. Maybe that woman has a dirty mind. And now she made the author famous.
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 09:39 AM
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10. Is your mind dirty too?

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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 03:30 PM
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15. Given how many priests and pastors have been exposed for engaging in sexual activtiy,
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 03:31 PM by closeupready
this could be a way of saying, your religious people have corrupted Jesus' message.

I've read that sometimes, parishioners have been told, 'if a priest does it, it's okay.' Ergo, the panel in question here.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 03:52 PM
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16. i see a little cut-and-paste
and intentionally crude cut-and-paste, at that. jesus is stuck on a woman's body in an image appropriated from a porn mag, and it isn't remotely proportionate. it seems like a naughty joke rather than blasphemy.

she should probably stay away from Deicide concerts. if this woman saw Andre Serrano's piss christ, her head would explode.

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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 08:47 AM
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6. If the Jesus myth was actually based on the exploits of a real man in the vein of Joseph Smith. . .
. . . and Mohammad instead a melange of earlier religious figures like Horus or Mithra, then chances are that man would have had sexual contact with other males during his youth. Like in other cultures where female purity is of so much value to both the prospective husband and the fathers seeking to get rid of their daughters, opportunistic homosexuality would have been very common among unmarried males. I would say that such a piece would be a novel criticism of the divinity of the Christ figure that so many of us seem to believe in. That would be my interpretation of such a piece and I would love to discuss the subject with the artist.

It is so pathetic, how quick certain people resort to whining about what is and is not art if the subject explored happens to offend them. Artists don't "need to push buttons"; sometimes they do it because they can and they want to. Do they need a better reason to be allowed to work their craft? They are only as beholden to their audience as their ambitions dictate.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 10:10 PM
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21. do "artists" really need to push buttons by doing things like that?
Why the fuck not?

What believers don't understand is that for non-believers, basing their opinions on logic, mocking Jesus is the same as mocking Daffy Duck. There's just as much evidence for the existence for both.
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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 08:42 AM
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2. Interesting piece about the artist . . .
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 09:47 AM
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11. Another case of right wing media provoking violence?
I heard some talk radio wingnut complaining about the artwork yesterday and soon after this act of vandalism happened. Not sure which show, it could have been Savage or Hannity or a lesser-known show.
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 09:59 AM
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12. This is kind of refreshing
In some ways it's taking me back to a bygone era, when hack artists brought out (mostly) non-violent Christian protesters (yes I know she smashed something but apparently didn't hurt anybody) and nobody was in danger of being killed because of a drawing of a religious figure. It was all a big dance, really, with both sides getting what they wanted -- attention. Muslim extremists take note -- if you're absolutely worked into a lather over a piece of art, you should focus your ire on the image itself, not the artist.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:51 PM
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14. In Loveland, no less.
You can't make this stuff up.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 05:41 PM
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18. Ah, yes, doing just what Jesus would have wanted her to do.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 10:06 PM
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20. Hate crimes suck!
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issy98 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 10:31 PM
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22. Whew, thank God it was only
Jesus or the terror alerts would be through the roof.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 10:49 PM
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23. I wonder how different this thread would be if the art depicted Mohammed bf'ing his child bride?
Considerably different, I'll speculate.

But that will remain a hypothetical because there are no "brave" artists who dare inspire a fatwa by painting even a portrait of Mohammed, let alone a picture defiling or debasing him.

The worst sin art can commit is to be boring. It takes soooooooo much bravery and shocking talent to create the ninetyeleventh derivative of Piss Christ.

Yawn.
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