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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:59 PM
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Miller (R-AK) security guards handcuff editor
Edited on Sun Oct-17-10 11:09 PM by Tx4obama
Source: Anchorage Daily News

The editor of the Alaska Dispatch website was arrested by U.S. Senate candidate Joe Miller's private security guards Sunday as the editor attempted to interview Miller on camera at the end of a public event in an Anchorage school.

Tony Hopfinger was handcuffed by the guards and detained in a hallway at Central Middle School until Anchorage police came and told the guards to release him.

Hopfinger has not been charged but the owner of the Drop Zone, private security firm that's been providing Miller's security, accused Hopfinger of trespassing at the public event, a "town hall" meeting sponsored by the Miller campaign. The owner, William Fulton, also said Hopfinger assaulted a man by shoving him.

Anchorage Police who responded to the call said they would leave it up to the District Attorney's office to decide whether to prosecute.

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/10/17/1506223/miller-security-guards-handcuff.html



Note: Be sure to read the rest of the article on the up ABOVE link to hear Hopfinger's side of the story.

And...
There's more regarding the townhall meeting (by someone that was there) and the detainment here:
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/10/joe-miller-looks-to-eastern-bloc.html

EDITED TO ADD:
Here's the story at the Alaska Dispatch
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/dispatches/news/7186-breaking-alaska-dispatch-editor-detained-at-miller-event

p.s. I heard Alaska Dispatch will be putting up video soon.

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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:01 PM
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1. AFAIK - media is reporthing this.
Soooooo.......

Cya later, wouldn't want to be ya, Miller.

McAdams will be the eventual winner.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:46 PM
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91. Newest VIDEO from Anchorage Daily News here:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:05 PM
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2. I can't wait for the editorial! Hahaha! nt
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:31 PM
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3. lol at the last sentence
Hopfinger was released after police arrived.

The reporter was on public property where a public event was being held at the time of the incident.

Miller has been adamant about his desire to avoid talking to the Alaska media, but no one in the working press in Alaska has ever before seen a candidate to go this length to avoid questions.
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:00 PM
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80. the bully candidate
Another publicity stunt by a man-child who refuses to answer grown-up questions and then stages an overreaction to blame others for his wrong actions. Give me a break, he is such a coward he is afraid of a person with a camera that he has to enlist four goons to handcuff someone? Here's a suggestion: just answer the question. (unless Miller has something to hide)
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:32 PM
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4. Hate to think how they will run government.
Edited on Sun Oct-17-10 11:32 PM by glinda
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66 dmhlt Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:31 AM
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41. With lots of Brown Shirts & goose-stepping thugs
Here’s http://www.adn.com/2010/10/17/1506223/miller-security-guards-handcuff.htmlhttp://www.adn.com/2010/10/17/1506223/miller-security-guards-handcuff.html">Miller’s official “take” on the incident:

The Miller campaign released a written one-paragraph statement from Fuller, then followed with a statement titled, “Liberal Blogger ‘Loses It’ at Town Hall Meeting.” In that statement, Miller accused Hopfinger of assaulting someone and of taking advantage of the meeting to “create a publicity stunt.” He said his personal security detail had to take action to detain “the irrational blogger.”


There’s an excellent Diary that’s just made the Recommended list at DailyKos entitled http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/18/911269/-Joe-Miller-Invokes-East-Germany-as-Security-Model,-Then-Has-Blog-Editor-Arrested-by-Thugs">“Joe Miller Invokes East Germany as Security Model, Then Has Blog Editor Arrested by Thugs” that actually details how Miller was about to be fired as borough attorney (Miller resigned instead) after criminally tampering with computers. And this from someone who oversaw Miller’s activities – the former Republican mayor of Fairbanks, Jim Whitaker!

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:47 AM
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43. Plus one.
Brown Shirts & goose-stepping thugs is right.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #43
101. Yep!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:05 PM
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82. But they say Jim Whitaker is suspect
because he supported Obama in the 2008 election. Witness this letter in this morning's ADN:



A real standup guy, our good citizen Jim Whitaker. Doing his civic duty. I was doing really well with the article on his coming forward with the truth, but to quote the article vertbatim: "Whitaker represented Fairbanks in the State House of Representatives from 1999 until he became mayor in 2003. He made headlines in August 2008 when he spoke at the Democratic National Convention as a Republican who favored Barack Obama for president."

The question would have to be, just how stupid do you think Whitaker thinks Alaskans are to believe that he just had to come forward to tell the truth? If you couldn't have guessed, I'm voting for Joe Miller. D.C. currently has a House and Senate full of Whitakers -- I think that's what the election is all about?

-- Chuck Grubin

Anchorage



:rofl:

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/10/16/1506168/letters-to-the-editor-101810.html#ixzz12jcs0Tre
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #41
100. Oh, dear
Top link not working now. Surprise!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #4
66. You already know how they'll run the government.
Remember back in the lead-up to the Iraq War, when people were being arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts?
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #66
98. Which is why I can't fathom why some folks on DU still support...
...gun control.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:44 PM
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5. I think they used to call that "kidnapping."
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. I think they still call it that.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:30 AM
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20. No kidding. What these guys did was illegal.
1. A private security guard does not necessarily have powers of arrest--that varies depending on locale.

2. Even if they did, a crime must have been committed. Asking a question doesn't count.

3. Even aside from 1 and 2, typically security guards are only empowered within the private property that they are hired to guard. A bodyguard in a public place might force someone to keep their distance from a protectee, but handcuffing them would be vastly over the line.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:49 PM
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102. And they can only arrest someone they witness committing a FELONY!
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 05:50 PM by cascadiance
They can't arrest someone for speeding or the like. As someone who once worked as a store detective, this stuff should be drilled in to "security guards". That is why shoplifting in many states is made a felony offense and not a misdemeanor. To allow citizen arrests to happen.

The only other way besides a felony citizens arrest that a private citizen can make an arrest otherwise is if he/she is DIRECTED to by a police officer who is present on the scene. The police obviously DID NOT direct them to assault these reporters!

What the local authorities should be debating in terms of whether to charge someone is not the reporters, but those in security for assault!

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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #5
76. "Illegal restraint" is the term when there is no ransom demand. (nt)
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:52 PM
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106. Or false imprisonment at least...
depends on the jurisdiction, but the guy had his freedom of movement restricted, in a small area, for a substantial amount of time, against his consent, with the intent of the security forces to restrain him. Now the only question left is whether there was a legal justification to do so. Varies from state to state. They already said that the guy was supposedly violent, and in many states that is enough, just as long as you don't go overboard in restraining someone.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:47 PM
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6. Huffington Post just put up an article regarding the inncident. Link below
Joe Miller Security Guards Handcuff & Detain 'Alaska Dispatch' Editor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/18/joe-miller-security-guard_n_766010.html
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:48 PM
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7. So, asking questions of public servants during a campaign is a crime?
They really don't get this public service thing, do they?
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:14 AM
Response to Reply #7
27. "They really don't get this public service thing, do they?" Typical of
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 04:15 AM by activa8tr
Tea Party Republicans, I'm afraid, if not almost ALL Republican politicians.
Great observation.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:51 PM
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8. The Cable Media Will Largely Ignore This - It Does Not Fit Into The Narrative...
...of Tea (Fox News) Party candidates being gutsy little grass root candidates fighting the system.
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oswaldactedalone Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:55 PM
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9. These teabaggers
are crazier than a shithouse rat. Completely stuck on stupid. Boggles the mind how any one anywhere could cast even one vote for any of them. Such idiots.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:59 PM
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10. Story is now Front Page TOP HEADLINE at Huffington Post !!! n/t
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:10 AM
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12. And the AP/ Associated Press has picked up the story too.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:18 AM
Response to Reply #10
32. "Forced to release him by real police."
:rofl:
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Thornleylv Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:15 AM
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13. I hope this is true
awesome that all i can say
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:38 AM
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14. I am absolutely giddy.
The sound you are hearing is Jo(k)e Millers campaign crashing and burning in epic fashion.
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blue_roses_lib Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #14
99. I walk by his campaign headquarters....
After work. I'm tempted to stand there with some sort of sign tonight. I really can't believe this guy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:44 AM
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15. Oops.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:52 AM
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16. It's official
If this piece of shit wins I'm moving to Washington state.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:03 AM
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17. "Fake Newsman Runs Amok! Restrained for His Own Protection!"
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 01:07 AM by NBachers
God, I can't wait for the Alaska media wrath and fury over this. This is the moment it all changes.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #17
49. "Crazed blogger assaults candidate"
"Valiant security guard saves the day"

Yeah, that will be it by the time it filters down to the mainstream press.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:28 PM
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95. You called it:"Liberal Blogger Loses it at Town Hall Meeting,"
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/dispatches/news/7187-miller-guard-says-editor-refused-to-leave-private-event

The press release was headlined "Liberal Blogger Loses it at Town Hall Meeting," although Miller knows well that Dispatch, which is involved in a lawsuit to obtain Miller's Fairbanks personnel records, is not a "blog" but an established online news magazine.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:13 AM
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18. hey joe...where ya going with them...cufffs in yo hannnnd
I'm going down to detain a reporter...and then rant about the constitution mannnnn
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winstars Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. Nice Jimi Reference!!! nt
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 01:23 AM by winstars
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:15 AM
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23. Yup, nice Jimi reference
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #18
58. Sweet.....
:rofl: wonder if the whole song could be done?:woohoo:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:48 AM
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62. hey joe...where ya going with them...cufffs in yo hannnnd
Good one!

I was just listening to that last night!

"Hey joe... I heard you shot your campaign down"
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #62
69. "Hey joe... I heard you shot your campaign down"
ha! That's even better.
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Loudmxr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:43 AM
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21. Please please have this guy's name rhyme with Ernst Röhm.
I mean it would be so appropriate. Violent and suppressed gay. So Republican.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:15 AM
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22. Hopefully, they'll be sued and have to pay a big judgment.
False arrest, false imprisonment, battery and assault. All good civil court causes of action for which damages will lie.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:38 AM
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24. Heinrich Himmler & Ernst Rohm
would be proud.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:39 AM
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25. one has to wonder just how you can be
trespassing at a public event?

I think False Imprisonment would be a good charge for starts.
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:54 AM
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26. Hello from Alaska!
Just to set the record straight...Joe has been trailing quite badly in the polls for some time now. He does not stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning this election. Probobly never did, once Murkowski decided to get back in as a write in candidate.
This is just another element in Joe's meltdown. And he's been falling down the stairs now for a month or two...couldn't happen to a bigger asshole...
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:17 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. Really? You'd never know that
from the polls we keep seeing. All the major sites are calling it a walk for Miller.
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:15 AM
Response to Reply #28
31. ha
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 06:18 AM by Steerpike
that'll be the day! Could you name a specific scientific poll that actually says Miller is ahead? I live here in anchorage and believe me, although he has his rabid core of supporters, he has been losing support pretty steadly for the last few weeks! Down the tubes he goes!

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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #31
42. I hope you're right
it's just that we down here in the 48 haven't seen of or heard of his decline.

I really hope he goes down, not only because he'd be a disaster as Senator but it would be an amazing "fuck you" to Palin.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #42
84. No offense, but whether you down there have seen or heard of it
doesn't matter. What matters is that Alaskans have seen and heard A LOT, and Joe's troubles are getting reported in all the local media outlets. Ask anyone from here, Alaska's elections are not like elections anywhere else in the country. There is always drama and nailbiting. One year a local election had to be decided by a coin toss even after a recount. That's how close things can get here.

This one is one for the ages.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #84
94. No offense taken.
I accept your observations and pray that your predictions are correct.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #31
53. Look under "Senate Composite -All"
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #53
85. Old polls.
Joe has had one misstep after another in the past two or three weeks. His refusal to talk to the press after the Chamber debate last Monday dropped him down several pegs, and this latest fiasco is bound to do the same. So many questions have arisen about his time at the Fairbanks North Star Borough and why he left that job and why he didn't talk about it on his website, that people are really starting to wonder what went on there. All this bizarre behavior to cover it up really raises questions in people's minds about just how bad things can get.

His support for repealing the 17th Amendment didn't help either. Now people are saying he apparently wants to repeal the First Amendment, too. Believe me, it's not looking good for Joe.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:25 AM
Response to Reply #28
34. The last poll I saw two weeks ago had Miller 5 points ahead of Murkowski.
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 06:28 AM by Rozlee
Not that I want any Rethug to win, but I'd love those teabaggers to get their eyes blackened.
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #34
35. but
what poll are you talking about?
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:36 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. Godamn
I just googled polls...and found that the race "according to polls" is very tight! I guess I'm just hanging out witht the wrong people...
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:49 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. Basically, just now I googled "Alaskan political polls"
Huff Post had Miller and Murk at a dead tie of 33.7- 33.2. U.S. News and World Report had them at 35-34. Basically, I tend to distrust polls. They go with the "most likely voter" scenario. As in they ask responders their race, age, marital status, church attendence, income, etc. If you are a divorced, low-income Hispanic woman, they are going to toss you out of the running. It's what happened to Obama. He won by a bigger margin because low income minorities, especially African-Americans who had never voted, hit the voting booths, including some of my young newly minted Dem nephews and nieces. I wonder myself how many Hispanics Sharron Angle angered by her praise of Joe Arpaio. We Hispanics, esp some of the younger or poorer ones, are usually one of the demographics pollsters tend to dismiss from their results as "unliklies." And almost a million Hispanics reside in Nevada. But, I digress. Like I said, I don't trust polls.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #37
52. I first voted in 1972 and have NEVER been polled
which seems weird to me.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #52
56. I got polled once.
On how often I used pain relievers in a one month period and on what. Go figure.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #37
86. I'd like to know how many people out in the Bush, which is
traditionally Democratic, they're polling.

Seriously, you just can't poll Alaska. Results are always wrong. Even the vaunted Nate Silver got it wrong in 2008.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #28
83. Major polls are voter suppression tools.
Miller is going down hard. All you have to do is read the comments at the Anchorage Daily News to this almost daily stories about Joe's idiocy. We may be a little naive up here, but we're not stupid, and people are paying attention after the Palin fiasco.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:17 AM
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29. lemme guess ... this won't get as much media attention as
"Don't taze me, Bro!"
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:35 AM
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30. Republicons hate us for our freedom.
I think that's very clear.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:19 AM
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33. SOOO let me get this straight
when the Democrats were having "town hall meetings" and the people were discussing Health Care and other subjects, the republicans, mostly tea bags showed up disrupted the meetings by yelling and screaming and threatening. Now a reporter shows up at a REPUBLICAN MEETING AND just wants to ask questions and he is roughed up and put in hand cuffs. Isn't that the typical republican way. No wonder there is so much bullying in schools and elsewhere by our children, they see the republican candidates and members of congress doing it every day.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:09 AM
Response to Reply #33
39. Heil Corporations
and the police state of America.......
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:58 AM
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38. So Republican candidates have the self appointed power of kidnapping and false imprisonment?
Huh.
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hayrow Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:11 AM
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40. Is this really that different from what Bush/Cheney did for the entire eight years of the junta?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:51 AM
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44. Alaskan reporter detained by security at Joe Miller event
Source: CNN

Washington (CNN) -- A private security guard and a reporter from the Alaska Dispatch offered contradictory accounts of what led to the reporter being handcuffed at a town hall-style event for Senate candidate Joe Miller in Anchorage Sunday night.

The reporter, Tony Hopfinger, said he was trying to ask Miller whether the candidate had ever gotten in trouble for politicking while working for the Fairbanks North Star Borough in 2008.

At that point, private security guards hired by the Miller campaign bumped their chests into him and tried to prevent him for asking any more questions, Hopfinger said.

"The Dispatch reporter repeatedly pushed a camera into the face of Mr. Miller. He continued to aggressively pursue him. I told the reporter several times that he needed to stop and that he was trespassing. He ignored me. He then proceeded to stalk Mr. Miller and even shoved an individual into a locker. Based upon this trespass and his assault, we detained him and escorted him from the premises," the statement read.





Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/10/18/alaska.miller.reporter/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn



Parker said private security guards in Alaska can make "private person arrests," much like a citizen's arrest.

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blackbart99 Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:51 AM
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45. It's time to sue these fascist bastards to show....
them that they are not the law and only security guards. Since when did we give private security the
ability to detain anyone they want. Make them pay million's. Hitting them in the bank account is the
only thing they understand.:evilgrin:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:51 AM
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46. If this goes to court, they better have a better reason than
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 06:07 AM by rasputin1952
"stopping someone from asking questions". One cannot "trespass" at a pubic event unless they are created "problem". Shoving someone into a locker is assault, and unless there was a damn good reason, like Hopfinger was "resisting", this could cost a lot of cash to the security firm, and since Miller "hired" them, he could be on the hook as well.

Handcuffed? Was he a threat?

Love to be a lawyer on this one...:D

ETA: one can detain under "citizen's arrest", but must alert authorities, namely, the police force, whom should have been on site, or pretty damn close.

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hayrow Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:19 AM
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47. Trusting the Bush appointed judiciary?
Can anyone really be naive enough to believe after the appointment of Bush/Cheney in 2000, and then the confirmation of the Christo-Fascist judges and justices appointed by that junta, that the Busch/Cheney courts will really follow the requirements of the constitution? You are dreaming.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:14 AM
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68. Actually, it can fall under a civil case...
which has nothing to do w/the b/c cabal.




Not all arrests are made by members of law enforcement. Many jurisdictions permit private citizens to make arrests. Popularly known as citizen's arrests, the circumstances under which private citizens may place each other under arrest are normally very limited. All jurisdictions that authorize citizen's arrests prohibit citizens from making arrests for unlawful acts committed outside their presence. Most jurisdictions that authorize citizen's arrests also allow citizens to make arrests only for serious crimes, such as felonies and gross misdemeanors, and then only when the arresting citizen has probable cause to believe the arrestee committed the serious crime. Witnessing the crime in person will normally establish probable cause for making an arrest.

Both private citizens and law enforcement officers may be held liable for the TORT of false arrest in civil court. An action for false arrest requires proof that the process used for the arrest was void on its face. In other words, one who confines another, while purporting to act by authority of law which does not in fact exist, makes a false arrest and may be required to pay money damages to the victim. To make out a claim for false arrest, the plaintiff must show that the charges on which he or she was arrested ultimately lacked justification. That is, the plaintiff in a false arrest action must show that the arrest was made without probable cause and for an improper purpose.



http://law.jrank.org/pages/4450/Arrest.html

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timefortherevolution Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:44 AM
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48. Republican Law & Order..
Anyone trying to report the truth will be imprisoned.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:48 AM
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51. Goes right along with that private prison industry for profit.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:47 AM
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50. PRIVATE security guards handcuffing someone?
Sounds like a clear case of false imprisonment to me.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:20 AM
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55. Just fyi, not unusual. Done every day in stores to detain shoplifters.

But in this case it sounds like it borders on assault, maybe kidnapping? Certainly had no business doing that on
public property at a public event.

And if there is any justice in the world, the security company and Miller will pay the price...
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:54 AM
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64. PRIVATE security guards handcuffing someone?
Besides, hairy chested, bearded, antler toting, red flannel shirted he-man Miller needs guards? What a girly-man!
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:10 AM
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54. Sure this "rent-a-cop" did
what the real POlice do.
They provoke you and when you react ("shoving" him) then they have YOU for assault.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:32 AM
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57. The posters in that rent-a-cop company's window tell a lot.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:38 AM
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59. Sure does...
:grr:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:43 AM
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60. You can wave an assault rifle at the president, but not peacefully attend
a Repuke rally.

Are we ever going to extract our own justice from these people?
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:45 AM
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61. False Imprisonment

The elements of false imprisonment are:

• words or acts by the defendant intended to confine plaintiff;
• actual confinement; and
• awareness by the individual that he/she is being confined.

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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:49 AM
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63. I tell you - these people are Brownshirts in the making. The only
thing that stands between us and them is the fact that they don't have a charismatic leader to wind them up. Even so, look at the attempts on people's lives as a result of Father Coughlin Beck's tirades, and the way that Bible Spice got people to scream "kill him" about Obama at the Rethug rallys. If, God forbid, they ever get a really persuasive leader, we're in deep shit.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:55 AM
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65. I hope that he sues the bastard and his security assholes.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:10 AM
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67. HUGE K & R !!!
:mad:

:kick:
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YankeeLeft7x Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:42 AM
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78. Welcome to the "New America"
I am hardly surprised.

Welcome to the New America where Privatization and the lack of rights are going to become greater and greater and not less and less.

The dire times are ahead of all Americans and one better get used to it very fast or otherwise think of ways to combat such acts against freedom.
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marias23 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:21 AM
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70. Clean Out Albany With A Baseball Bat
"Clean Out Albany With A Baseball Bat" Carl Paladino

Miller hancuffing reporter

Iott has the unirorm

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:27 AM
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71. When will people like Hopfinger ever learn?
Take some bodyguards of your own to keep these rent-a-cops at bay when you go interview Republican candidates. Sheesh.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:39 AM
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72. This is soooo awesome for Alaskan Democrats!
My wife's opponent for State House has his yard signs right next to Miller's signs all through our district. I'm going to bet he regrets doing that now.

Bwahahahaha :evilgrin:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:21 PM
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87. Dave, I'm thinking that some of those Democrats
who thought they might have to write in Lisa to stop Joe will be changing their minds right about now. I see this as excellent news for Scott.
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jerryster Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:41 AM
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73. From fivethirtyeight.com this morning
Miller may have done himself in. My question: Will the DCCC put some money in the race now and/or an ad talking about the arrest? Or will the incompetent Chris Van Hollen decide he doesn't want to take any risks?

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/alaska-race-may-make-for-long-election-night/#more-2261
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:22 PM
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88. I believe I read that they did kick in $42,000 a couple weeks ago,
but Scott is doing quite nicely with individual contributions, and as far as I know, he has taken nothing from any shadow groups or PACs.
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AAAProgressive Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:50 AM
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74. Gates Video
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:23 PM
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89. Oh, yea, Palingates!
You can always count on them to get the videos.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:19 AM
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75. Judging from the reader comments under that article...
No love for Joe. No mention of the Dem. Lots of hand wringing among conservatives.

I'm calling the race for Murkowski.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:29 AM
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77. The authoritarian mindset
It has no tolerance for freedom of speech or freedom of the press. Media is a tool to be co-opted for propaganda purposes, and any challenge, dissent, or departure from orthodox ideology is to be quashed using whatever means necessary.
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:47 AM
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79. "Security Guards"?
Where does Miller recruit his security guards, from the Hitler Youth? What kind of name is that, "Drop Zone"? Would someone please tell those morons that military police actions are illegal on domestic soil? And then, educate Miller that Alaska is part of the United States and is included under "domestic soil."
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:27 PM
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92. Are you sure t's domestic soil?
I hear it's populated by Momma Grizzlies, and you can see Russia from there.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:00 PM
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81. In addition to this travesty,
Miller also stated yesterday, when asked about the advisability of building a fence along the southern border, quote, If East Germany can do it, we can do it!"

Nice.

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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:43 PM
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90. Right wing goon squad attempting to intimidate with no legal basis.
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meowomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:34 PM
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93. Isn't this kidnapping?
Or unlawful detention?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:59 PM
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96. ADN has NEW video of Joe Miller's jack booted thugs bullying OTHER journalists. Video link below
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 04:47 PM by Tx4obama
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:54 PM
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107. I watched the vid...
interesting. I know a lot of law enforcement guys. Have worked with them in various capacities over the years. Everyone of them cannot stand rent-a-cops or the companies that employ them.
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blue_roses_lib Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:22 PM
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97. K+R!!!!!
Not only is this guy batsh*t crazy, he's a hypocritical liar. This was all we were talking about on the commute this morning.

I wasn't aware private security staff have the authority to "arrest" people??? Or maybe it is Joe's special constitutionally derived powers.

What a blowhard.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:53 PM
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103. Ed was all over this tonight.
I'm guessing Keith and Rachel will report on it, too.

Thug candidate, thug behavior. Sharron Angle is jealous.
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:32 PM
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104. Yea, on what authority?!
None?
Then someone else needs to get handcuffed.
Have they?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:48 PM
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105. NEW UPDATE - security firm is currently not licensed
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 07:51 PM by Tx4obama
From over at PalinGates

UPDATE 9:

The Palingates-community shows it's strength again!

Due to the discovery of our reader Older_Wiser we can reveal that the business license for "Dropzone Security Services", 3701 SPENARD ROAD, ANCHORAGE AK 99503, owned by William F. Fulton expired on 31/12/2009 and was NOT renewed!

The company belonging Mr. Fulton, who was pictured in the above clips, is currently not licensed for providing security services. Joe Miller therefore employed the services of a "rogue" security company, so to speak. ;-)


See full article, full updates, and photos of business license documention here:
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/10/breaking-news-from-sarah-palins-alaska.html


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:07 PM
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110. UNLICENSED security force ... !!! Trust the journalist has heard this -- !!
:)
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mikeSchmuckabee Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:49 PM
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108. He's already got a praetorian guard?
Wouldn't that incident be kidnapping or something?

$20 to Casca and the rest when the slay him on pompey's statue.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:05 PM
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109. Obviously, right wing won't be happy until all journalists are in prison or dead....!!!
But -- also shows what a threat any honest journalism is to them --

truth -- the threat of a dagger in their hearts!!

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:29 PM
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111. Joe has designs on ruling the entire world. Furst zis iceberg, zen ze vorld!!
What a nutjob!!
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