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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:42 AM
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Combat Stress Driving Up Army Crime, Drug Abuse, Suicides
Source: Politics Daily

The U.S. Army, under the accumulating stress of nine years at war, is suffering an alarming spurt of drug abuse, crime and suicide that is going unchecked, according to an internal study that depicts an Army in crisis.

A small but growing number of soldiers who perform credibly in combat turn to high-risk behavior, including drug abuse, drunken driving, motorcycle street-racing, petty crime and domestic violence, once they return home.

As a result, more soldiers are dying by drug overdose, accident, murder and suicide than in combat. Suicide is now the third-leading cause of death for soldiers.

"Simply stated, we are often more dangerous to ourselves than the enemy,'' concludes the extraordinary internal Army investigation commissioned by Gen. Peter Chiarelli, the Army's vice chief of staff.

Read more: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/10/17/combat-stress-driving-up-army-crime-drug-abuse-suicides/?icid=main|aim|dl1|sec1_lnk1|178397



This is awful - more outreach is needed for these stressed soldiers. Granted, stopping the war in Afghanistan would be a better solution.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:47 AM
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1. let's give the troops more surveys designed to enforce DADT, maybe that will help nt
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:50 AM
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2. The troops have already spoken...



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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:51 AM
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3. I think they need to do psychological evals all during the tours.
Help the troops get a handle on their feelings before it overtakes them. Even round table meetings daily to discuss the stressful situations might help. We know ignoring the problems only leads to more loss.

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Proletariatprincess Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:51 AM
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4. I'm sure there are men and women in the military that will go on to lead productive lives as civilia...
....but not most. Those who join the all volunteer army now, have few other options and have been fed a steady diet of lies and misinformation about US foreign policy and the role of the military. They are trained to be killers and never question authority. Then they are sent to war zone where they are told to kill and destroy and it becomes the seminal period of their lives. War is the thing that gives them meaning, to paraphrase Chris Hedges. They are damaged human beings abused and undervalued by the country they love and risk all to serve.
Then they come home to a angry demoralized society and are neglected by a dysfunctional health care system that doesn't recognize the profound problems created by perpetual war.
This is not a new phenomenon. Warriors returning from wars are a potential hazard to civil peace and have been recognized as such for thousands of years. (remember the characters in the HBO series, Rome?)
Now add to these conditions the fact that the USA has been engaged in immoral conflicts around the world for more than 6 decades it is running out of treasure and public support.
Sad, but not surprising that this is happening...epecially now.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:15 AM
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5. Can't find a single fucking valid point in yore piece of shit screed, there, podner...
So, I won't waste the time discussing any of it.

Look at a few Fax'n Figgers before ya wander off at the mouth, woodja??

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:08 AM
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6. It's pretty pathetic, isn't it?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:55 PM
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7. Really. The lack of ANY effort in this one is appalling.....
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Proletariatprincess Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:20 PM
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8. Are we commenting on the same topic?
Didn't you even read the article?
My response was thoughtful and insightful. Your responses were not and added nothing to this discussion.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:30 PM
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11. Your complete lack of understanding of the topic at hand, while impressive
in it's complete lack of understanding, leaves me no option but to tell you you need to get a fucking clue.

By your standard we should have a half million killers roaming the streets.

We obviously do not. You are obviously clueless and possess a complete lack of understanding.

Too bad I can't tell you what I really think of you.

Ask grantcart.

Nice smear of combat vets, women and men alike, by the way.

:hurts:
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Proletariatprincess Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:50 PM
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15. You are wrong.
We do indeed have half a million or more potential killers roaming our streets. Because you and your friends appear to have military backgrounds, you cannot deny that the purpose of combat training is to kill the enemy and destroy their territory. After years of such exposure do you really believe that all goes away when soldiers become civilians? Every experience is different and people cope differently, but we are living in extraordinary times here in the USA and there is a lot of anger and resentment out there now. Violence is bubbling just below the surface and fascism, when it comes to America, will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.
It will be easy to recruit former military personnel to whatever cause promises to restore patriotism and the flag.
There is a reason that George Washington warned against a standing army.
Now the USA has the biggest most powerful military the world has ever seen. Our young men and women are being recruited to serve the interests of the multinational corporations and told they are fighting for their country and the American Way. It's all bullshit, of course, but after years of sacrifices, people really want to and do believe it.
You may think I'm smearing combat vets, but the fact is that I have no more or less respect for vets than any other retired worker. But I am a lot more fearful of them and the potential harm to a peaceful society.
I do not honor vets or thank them for their service any more than I would any other worker. It is a job, after all, and we make choices when we sign on to work for a wage.
Before you say that they are fighting for their country, I will point out that that is the delusion that the privileged class has carefully cultivated to serve its own interest and greed. I'm continually amazed at how easy it is to manufacture the consent of the American people...and to do so in a way that makes them passionate in their ignorance.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:13 PM
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16. Every one of your bogus posits are refuted buy the truth....
And the truth is that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


But don't let that stop you, and DO enjoy your visit to DU!!!!


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Proletariatprincess Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:34 PM
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17. wow....you really are an idiot.
and I thought you were just being flippant. :rofl:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:12 PM
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9. Its a shame we don't have
a slap smiley, huh
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:15 PM
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10. lol
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:31 PM
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12. True Dat!!
:patriot:
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Threedifferentones Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 06:33 AM
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18. About 1/3 of homeless Americans are vets.
But, ya, poor people are not driven by desperation for steady income to sign up, nor does the stress of war make it hard to cope when one returns.

http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm

I understand the other posters point, but what is your's? That the American armed forces always stand for "freedom" and good and only kill "bad guys?" That our army actually takes good care of its neediest vets? You don't really say anything other than "nuh-uh!" Probably because, if you did, the facts you claim to be looking for would slap YOU right down. Oh wait, they have anyway....
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Proletariatprincess Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 07:11 AM
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19. Thank you for posting that link.
The statistics are tragic. How Americans can wave the flag and support unnecessary wars when we can see daily the broken lives of those who fought those wars on the streets of our cities and towns, is so illogical and callus that it is beyond all understanding.
To quote Jefferson: I tremble for my country when I contemplate that God is just.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 01:01 PM
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20. Um.....
Nice try.


But, fail, like your little friend is a FAIL......

When you start with excrement like this:

" I'm sure there are men and women in the military that will go on to lead productive lives as civilians....but not most......."

And what authority gave your little scooter that insight??

And then:

"They are trained to be killers and never question authority"

More complete and utter garbage.

Again, leave the heavy topics to the adults until you can remove the hysterics and hyperbole at home. Makes you look like fucking idiots.

I know about homeless vets because I used to work with them and their children. I am a vet and was homeless for a while in the mid '70's.

You and your little friend don't know the first fucking thing about the problem, or the solution.


Take some veterans to the VA for treatment as a volunteer driver for a year or two. Then come back and read the shit you two idiots posit above.

You might well be ashamed of yourselves. But maybe not. You might just stay smug little precious snowflakes, ever special in your own sanctimonious worlds....


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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:25 PM
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14. self-delete
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 10:33 PM by Raster
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:15 PM
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 10:50 PM
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21. If we had the draft, we be out of both wars by now.
People tend to forget that the US Military was at its height of strength when we went into Vietnam. The US Military did an excellent job up to and through the Tet Offensive in 1968. Furthermore the Majority of Americans not only supported the troops, but the war till the middle of 1968. By 1968 it was clear we were NOT seeing much progress in the War and the American people turned against it, but support for the Vietnam War exceeded the Support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan till the day we pulled out of Vietnam.

Thus why did the US Army deteriorate so rapidly after 1968? By 1970 the North Vietnamese were telling their Soldiers NOT to engage US Troops unless the US troops engaged them first. Some units, mostly Special Forces, retained a high desire to engage the enemy, but most troops by 1970 were more then content to go into the bush form a parameter and do nothing. This had become so bad that Nixon was forced to accept terms from the North Vietnamese that the US had been refusing to accept since 1968 (and this was AFTER the massive bombing of North Vietnam). The ground forces had deteriorated that badly.

Why the deterioration? Input from the Draft were against the War and this affected whole units. No one wanted to die for a failed war, so you either did as little as possible or did what was ordered but that is all. This worked it way up the chain of Command to Platoon leaders and Sergeants and even to Company Captains and First Sergeants. Vietnam was a Platoon level war, company and higher units rarely together, except to coordinate Platoon movements and support for those platoons.

Now, some units went rogue, i.e. killing anyone they run across. These were rare, but not unheard of. It was the ugly side of the decline of the US military in Vietnam, leaving people decline to their worse and leave them do as they want.

Now, the rapid decline from the height of military strength to the bottom was quick, the Troops were still on top in the beginning of 1968, defeated the Tet Offensive and then saw it meant nothing. The morale of the troops went down hill from that point and with more and more draftees coming in anti-war, the decline was quick.

It was so bad that Nixon by 1972 ordered no one was to go to Vietnam unless he volunteer to do so, it stopped some of the declined, but the Army had to build back up form the bottom it hit in 1972.

Now we went into Afghanistan in early 2002 (Some troops in Afghanistan in late 2001). We have been fighting for Eight years. The American people NEVER supported the war in Iraq, and the lack of support for the War in Iraq quickly lead to the decline in support for the war in Afghanistan. In 1973 the Draft was ended, thus today we are NOT sending it troops who oppose the war, but people who enlisted to fight it. Thus the main source of the decline of the Vietnam era army is no longer with us. On the other hand, the fact that the American People do NOT support this war is still with us. IT has lead to a much slower decline in the troops, but the decline has been steady. The troops can NOT take much more of this.

When we had the Draft, the generals could blame the draftees for the decline (and did so, and continue to do so for decades afterwards). Today, there is no draft to blame the decline on, but we still have a decline. With a draft you would have a larger group of soldiers that oppose this war AND undermined the war effort in the field (i.e. units going out and then setting up a parameter and ignoring the Viet Cong all around them). They would tell new troops of these stunts and tell them to the people at home (And the stories would get back to the Pentagon). Today, the troops do not know if someone will replace them. The troops do to the nature of who is enlisting, hear very few anti-war messages AND no group inside the enlistee ranks are trying to figure out ways to undermine the "mission" (i.e. going out and doing nothing).

Furthermore, since most Enlistees are coming from Rural areas, there are no center of gravity for them to go to. During Vietnam, draftees were going to collages after their service, such collages quickly became rallying points for such ex-soldiers. Inner City groups also acted as center of Gravity for Vietnam Era troops, African Americans were drafted in high numbers, and worked with whites, and lived in the Inner City. Providing a center for other ex-troops to come together in.

With the vast majority of African-Americans NOT enlisting since 9/11 the US Military have become more and more dependent on Rural White soldiers. One of the problems with Rural groups is it is hard to get them together, since they live so far apart. One of the reasons peasant revolts failed throughout history is that people who did control the cities, controlled the communication system and thus could defeat many rural revolts one at a time for they was no way for such rural peasants to talk to each other. This same affect is affecting US vets today, it is getting hard for them to talk to each other. Yes, they can get on line and talk to people, but there is something about talking face to face that is more effective in communicating each others problems. Thus the rural recruitment slows down the anti-war movement among the troops.

If we had the draft, this decline would have been quicker and easier to see. Suburbs and inner City would be getting the same hits as rural America. The decline would be on the scale of Vietnam and by now we would have been long out of both wars.

This problem will fester till we get out of both wars, but it will fester for no one in Government wants us out.
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