India wants only 'highly' paid foreigners

[Newsjock]

Source: Indian Express

In an attempt to prevent foreigners filling non-technical jobs, India has made it clear that they would be taken in only for highly-skilled work and provided they draw a salary of not less than USD 25,000 a year.

In an order, the Home Ministry nullified a Labour Ministry circular that capped foreign workforce to one per cent of the total strength in any project, with a minimum of five and maximum of 20 people.

... Besides, the ministry made it clear that employment visa shall not be granted for jobs for which qualified Indians are available and also for routine, ordinary or secretarial/ clerical jobs.

Read more: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india-wants-only-highly-paid-foreigners/700142/

[Barack_America]

1. Shall we return the favor?

[OhioChick]

2. That sounds like a plan. n/t

[blue97keet]

3. Tit for tata?

[ChromeFoundry]

4. If we followed the same criteria...

the ministry made it clear that employment visa shall not be granted for jobs for which qualified Indians are available and also for routine, ordinary or secretarial/ clerical jobs.

...we'd have 5 Indians working in software development, nation-wide.

[pezDispenser]

5. boy, the world hates poor people.

If only there were enough resources to go around.

[Hulk]

6. Geeesh....I thought we were the only country that could do that?

Hate to break it to you...but this is exactly what we are doing in this great nation of ours.

[pnwmom]

11. We have MANY foreign tech people working in jobs for which

there are qualified American applicants. The need for HIB visas is vastly overstated.

[Larkspur]

13. I was laid off in November 2008 and my tasks taken over by an Indian over here on an H-1B visa

No, our companies what to import cheap labor from India and they are the ones lobbying to keep the tax credits for doing so.

[pacalo]

7. They don't have to worry about my moving over there -- don't even care to visit.

Want a good laugh -- watch an episode of IRT: The World's Most Dangerous Roads, shown on the History Channel. It's set in the Himalayas, where truck drivers have to drive up a one-lane width of road, which incidentally has two-way traffic, to deliver huge equipment to the site where an expansive dam is being constructed. The trucks are flimsily built, have minimal safety features, & look more like Mardi Gras floats. The road itself has no guardrails to prevent vehicles from plunging thousands of feet below.

And the traffic is a free-for-all situation. A truck driver driving slowly & tentatively as he approaches a sharp curve is too often at a stand-off with a bus traveling in the opposite direction. The bus driver seems to always win the right-of-way, having no respect for the truck driver who is carrying tons of equipment in a flimsy truck.

Keep your country -- but send our jobs back.

[Duer 157099]

8. Heh, that's funny, I always thought I wanted to visit India, until

I watched a couple episodes of IRT: TWMDR. Those drivers are SCARY as shit!!! I mean, the Indians in their cars and buses. OMG, I'd have a heart attack every time I went on the roads.

[pacalo]

10. The traffic in town is like watching bumper cars! I don't know why they bother having

traffic lights, which seem to be the only indication of any order.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

19. You can easily hire a driver to take you around.

They have them specifically for the tourists.

[QC]

9. Most countries do not import cheap labor to undercut their own workers.

You have to come to the Land of the Free to find that.

[Confusious]

12. They scream bloody murder when we do stuff like this

Hypocrites.

[iverglas]

15. "they"

Yes, the ubiquitous, undistinguished "they".

Pretty much says it all.

[Confusious]

16. If you read the OP and if you payed attention to the IT field

You will find what "they" refers to. I think it would be pretty clear to a 10 year old.

But that's not what you're looking for is it? Someone wants to be a hero and find a mole.

Good luck in finding your ubiquitous, undistinguished moles elsewhere.

[iverglas]

17. really?

Why don't you try rewriting your prose with the nouns the pronouns stand for, and see whether I can grasp it then?

[Confusious]

18. Well, you couldn't understand the sentence before

and you're the only one who commented,

So...

I doubt you would even understand then.

Like I said, if you follow the problems in the IT field, you would understand. And I don't feel like posting links for the past 5 years to try and make you understand,

Seeing as you already think you know what it is, why don't you just come out and tell us what you think it means?

[iverglas]

20. "They scream bloody murder when we do stuff like this"

"They" = Indian IT professionals?

"They" = the Government of India?

You see, therein lies my problem.

The Government of India is the actor in this situation; immigration rules for India are made by the Government of India.

Does the Government of India scream bloody murder when "we" (presumably the Government of the United States) imposes stringent controls on work visas?

I wouldn't think so. Governments seldom comment on other government's immigration law and policy, other than when new visa requirements for their nationals (i.e. the requirement that visitors/tourists obtain a visa before arrival) are imposed.

Do Indian IT professionals scream bloody murder when the Government of the United States imposes stringent controls on work visas?

If so, who cares?

The action that is the topic of this thread is an action taken by the Government of India. Not Indian IT professionals.

Indian IT professionals have no voice in actions taken by governments -- their own or anyone else's.

So what would be the relevance of the opinions of Indian IT professionals about US immigration law and policy, no matter how loud or fierce, here?

I'm sure you must have understood the source of my confusion, it being your own words. Pronouns can be so useful for such a variety of things, one being obfuscation.

Or perhaps you were just confused yourself when you wrote that.

[Confusious]

21. Like I said, you don't pay attention to the IT field

There was just a story about one of the states restricting state jobs to Americans. The Indian government screamed bloody murder.

There was another where they were going to reduce the number of H1bs, again the Indian government screamed bloody murder.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article621336.ece ( not the government, my mistake )


The next:

India takes up reduction of H1B Visa issue with US
Thursday, August 21 2003 17:20 Hrs (IST)

New Delhi: India is taking up with the United States the issue of reduction of H1B Visas for specialised workers as it would affect movement of Indian software professionals to that country, the Rajya Sabha was informed on August 21.

The US has decided to reduce the quota of H1B Visas from 1.95 lakhs to 65,000 this year. "We are trying to pursue the matter," Information Technology Minister Arun Shourie said replying to supplementaries during the Question Hour.

To another question he said there was a "backlash" in countries from where outsourcing jobs were being given to call centres in India.

On the development in hardware sector, Shourie said the government had set up a task force comprising representatives from industry to increase its competitiveness.

Shourie said he had raised the issue of free movement in the services sector during the recent mini- meeting of World Trade Organisation (WTO) at Montreal.

He said out of the total Rs 97,400 crore of IT exports in 2002, hardware contributed Rs 37,500 crore and software and IT Enabled Services Rs 59,900 crore.

This shit has been going on for a long time, and they ( the united states government, and the media ) cry when the numbers for math and science literacy come out. Well if you can't find a job because the companies are hiring lower paid workers ( considering you need to make a certain amount to pay back those huge loans for school ), the United States government is allowing it and the indian government is pushing it, what's the point?

[iverglas]

22. how interesting

"We are trying to pursue the matter," Information Technology Minister Arun Shourie said replying to supplementaries during the Question Hour.

= "scream bloody murder".

Uh huh.

(If you're not familiar, most parliaments on the Westminster model have something like "question period" every day in the legislature, where the executive branch is called to account by members. The statement in question was made by a member of Cabinet in reply to a question from the opposition.)

Perhaps the US government will try to pursue this matter with the Indian government ...

[Confusious]

23. No, they didn't

They gave up, and let us ( Citizens of the United States in the IT field, since you sooo want a noun ) swing. No reductions.

I'm glad it just rises to interesting when so many ( Citizens of the United States in the IT field, since you sooo want a noun ) are having a hard time.

[iverglas]

24. no, friend

What was "interesting" was that you took a party political incident in India -- an opposition member demanding that the government do something -- and the government response that it was "trying to pursue the matter", and turned it into "they scream bloody murder".

(I'm disregarding anything other than government responses, since it really just doesn't matter a hoot who else might say what, when it comes to comparing Indian govt action and US govt action.)

Your problem appears to be with your own government, and your/its immigration policies. Nothing to do with what any "they" outside the US might have to say about them.

[Confusious]

25. Thats partially true

I have problems with the United States government and it's immigration policies, I have problems with the corporations that push for these policies, and I have problems with government that make this official policy (outsourcing) like the Indian government ( Having "talks" with the United States government about it makes it policy, in my eyes, of the Indian government ).

If you want a "they," it's all of them, and I lump them all together in my being pissed about the policies that are fucking us over.

[Haole Girl]

14. This subject makes me so angry...

I don't feel I can be objective enough to comment on this without getting into a flamewar.

And I'm too tired for it.