Tibet's `nowhere people' want their country freed

[dArKeR]

UNEASY EXILE: Thousands of Tibetan refugees pour into India every year, fleeing an oppressive Chinese regime at home and determined to free their country

REUTERS , MCLEODGANJ, INDIA
Friday, Apr 02, 2004,Page 5

Jampa Norgay is 10 years old, an age at which he should be in school.

But the curly-haired boy has just spent a month trekking through treacherous snowy mountains and thick forests to escape from Tibet. He is now in a refugee center in northern India wondering where he goes next.

"My mother cried a lot when I left," said Norgay softly, tears welling in his eyes, as he sat on a grubby mattress in a small room surrounded by many tired Tibetan refugees just arrived after a long gruelling journey through the Himalayas.

"I miss my mother a lot."

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/04/02/2003116352

Dirty Mainland Chinese Communist Pigs!

[libbygurl]

1. Unfortunately, there's no OIL in Tibet.

[BattyDem]

16. Lucky for them ...

They don't want the kind of freedom Bushco offers

[sam sarrha]

2. go to www.savetibet.org China's state sponsored Genocide of the Tibetans

has Murdered 1 1/2 MILLI OM Tibetans through forced labor death camps, murder, institutional starvation, destruction of habitat in Himalayan winter.. Torture.. China has imported more Chinese than there are Tibetans left in Tibet. 2 years of forced labor in death camp prisons for having a photo of the Dalai Lama. they have destroyed and looted over 6000 monasteries.

China is invading Nepal and will liberate it like they have Tibet

Tibet is as large as all of western Europe it is one of the richest mineral deposits in the world.. and i am sure there is lots of oil, gold , metals....... and a lot of dead Tibetans

china is a most favored nation.. slavery and genocide is our favorite sort of thing it seems.

www.savetibet.org please check this out, thank you

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

10. Commies? Who cares about them commies?

Bidness is GOOD! Money money money! Woo hoo! </sarcasm>

[nonbelief]

3. The truth about Tibet

Slavery was the norm in Tibet before the Chinese invaded Tibet.

200 elite families and the monastaries controlled the vast majority of Tibet's agricultural land, and the population was held in serfdom by them.

The common punishment for a serf who stole food from the monastary-owned land he tilled was blindness through eye-gouging, or amputation of limbs. The monks carried out these punishments on a regular basis. European visitors to Tibet in the 1950's commented on the unusual number of amputees and blind beggars in the country.

So whenever I hear or read about a dreamy-eyed vegetarian actor moaning about a "free -Tibet" I wonder what he really means.

[0007]

4. Tell me where you receive your propagada?

Also tell me `O wise one, who were these 200 elite familes?

[BuddhaGirl]

5. utter bullshit!

what's your source of the crap you spew???

[SOS]

7. The source is probably

the People's Ministry of Propaganda in Beijing. Their offices are on Tianenmen Square.
Fitting that someone who bemoans "dreamy-eyed vegetarians" allies himself with one of the most brutal and repressive dictatorships on earth.

[mobuto]

14. Tibet was a theocracy

the monks controlled absolutely everything. I'm not much of a fan of theocracy in general, or of Tibet's specifically. No, Beijing isn't great either.

But I think people have a romantic conception of Tibet that isn't necessarily reflected by reality. I think its patronizing and subtly racist - it goes back to Rousseau's belief in a Noble Savage. A lot of Americans have this starry-eyed view of Tibetan spiritual enlightenment that's divorced from the fact that Tibet was ruled by an oppressive dictatorship before the Chinese invasion just as it was ruled by one afterwards. This doesn't mean you should ignore Chinese human rights abuses, but I think this is a lot more of a grey-issue than is typically presented.

[seniorlover]

22. Yes,Communist `s propaganda has make us confuse the truth of Tibet.

We hate CCP.

[cornfedyank]

6. either you care about people or you don't

that is the point. we all know that there are a lot of assholes in this world. have been for a long time. just do not tell me that we took out saddem cause he was a jerk. IF THE PRESIDENT'S WAR IS SO RIGHT then take back the high end of the tax cuts to PAY FOR IT. Yesterday was April Fool's Day, but this country's fiscal policy is for real... real bad...the acknowledged national debt was $7,145,374,357,797 and increasing almost 2 billion per day. Who is going to pay it???

[chenGOD]

8. Umm perhaps this^^^ post was meant for a different thread? n/t

[seniorlover]

21. You are right.

I agree with you.
But I also think Chinese have destroyed Tibetan Culture and lifstile.Especially tibetans have no enough freedom ,

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

9. I SO want to see athletes at the Beijing Olympics (2008)...

...take off their shirts to reveal one with the Tibetan flag.

Preferrably on the podium, just after receiving a gold medal. :evilgrin:

[chenGOD]

11. I'd love that too...

I'd love even more for the US administration to take the lead and deal with human rights abuses in China, and get back Tibet for the Tibetans but hey, there's no profit in that is there.

so it falls to the 10 year old boys making the hikes through the brutal Himalayas to fight for their country.

[Exultant Democracy]

12. I know the free Tibet is a big deal to many people

but most of them have only a perfunctory knowledge of Chinese history. The fact is that Tibet is historically more of a part of China then California and Texas are parts of the U.S.

[Gingersnapsback]

13. I have a friend that has a huge tattoo of the Dali Llama

on her right arm. She went to Tibet 2 years ago. She wore a long sleeved shirt so that they didn't cut her arm off, or put her in prison for life. She has supported Tibetans, Buddhism in Baltimore for 30 years. They have killed millions, burned 1000's of monasteries, as well as punish anyone with a Free Tibet attitude, or action.

[Exultant Democracy]

15. And,

My point isn't that there aren't atrocities going on there. The fact is that there are more Chinese people that were born and raised in Tibet then there are native ethnic Tibetans. Freeing Tibet is just as feesable as giving the U.S. back to the Native Americans. Unless you think that we should start beliveing in "corruption of the blood" and allow the Chinese majority in Tibet to be ruled by the minority because of what their parents did.

[SOS]

17. Tibet was occupied

by the Chinese only from 1717-1750. This was the phony "precedent" claim to Tibet that the Chinese employed in 1950.
The failing Manchu Qing Dynasty tried to reverse it's fortunes through aggression against Tibet in 1910, but were out by 1912.
The people of Tibet have always been free of Chinese oppression except for these short historical intervals. There were historical alliances with Mongols (even with Ghengis Khan), but not with the Chinese.
On the point of ethnic cleansing, the policy of mass "encouraged" immigration by China into Tibet began in 1983.

Here are some of China's achievements in Tibet from 1950-1977:

"In mid-1977 the Dalai Lama sent three fact-finding missions, who returned with a catalogue of 1.2 million deaths, the destruction of 6254 monasteries and nunneries, the absorption of two-thirds of Tibet into China, 100,000 Tibetans in labor camps and extensive deforestation."

On the point of harshness under previous Dalai Lamas, there is little connection to the current conditions. The current Dalai Lama is more conservative than his western admirers might like to acknowledge, but he is no Mao. He is more like Pope John Paul II towards his people, but there can be no doubt that he would be a better ruler for the people today than the brutal despots in Beijing.
The key is self-determination. Every people on earth want that, even if foreigners don't approve.

[Exultant Democracy]

18. Ok,

Even if I don't take issue with your version of Chinese history (which appears to be off the back of a misprinted cereal box.) You fail to look at the body of my argument. Feel free to address that if you wish.

[SOS]

19. My post

didn't insult you.
See ya.

[sam sarrha]

23. china's association with china began early in china's history, Tibetan

lamas were sought after to be consultants and counselor's for emperors and powerful people... because the they were beyond corruption and influence through bribery or blackmail. and they were the some of the best educated people available.

Tibet traded the "Advisor's" for military protection of Tibet by china. the Buddhists being non violent. The invasion of Tibet was as legitimate as the US invading Iraq.

[nonbelief]

20. Typical Buddhist Fairytales...

Why is it people just can't accept the fact that pre-communist Tibet wasn't some kind of Shang-ri-la, with benevolant, levitating monks and happy natives?

It was a brutal theocracy.

Maybe a constant diet of tofu and mung bean sprouts affects a person's immunity to Richard Gere's and Stephen Seagal's wishy-washy bullshit.

[sam sarrha]

24. F'n commie, that justifies the genocide of 1.2 MILLION Tibetans???????????