New Footage of Head-Stomping Incident at Paul-Conway Debate Emerges

[harvey007]

Source: CBS NEWS

Conservatives are seizing on newly-unearthed footage of the 23-year-old woman who had her head stepped on outside a Kentucky Senate debate by a Rand Paul supporter to suggest that the woman posed more of a threat than initial footage suggested.

The footage shows Laura Valle approaching the candidate's SUV and partially putting a sign into the passenger-side window.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021024-503544.html

[marmar]

1. And this merits the head stomp?

This CBS News "story" is almost comical.

[KansDem]

24. Yeah, just imagine what might have happened if she looked cross-eyed at him!

All Hell would have broken loose!

[somone]

2. And her name is Lauren, not Laura

[Roland99]

3. She ran quickly into the field of view toward Bland Paul's vehicle and was a threat?

to whom? And were these guys part of the local police or sheriff's office?

uh, no.

They were just thugs who took things into their own hands and dished out some vigilante "justice" on an innocent person.

[caseymoz]

11. delete

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[louis-t]

4. One thing I've noticed: no one has mentioned the bystander

who told the stomper to cool it. "Hey, c'mon" or something similar. At that point, the stomper backed off. If tea-crazy witnesses thought he crossed the line, how does this guy get away with blaming the camera angle?

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

6. The Pretty Fox Trio Ladys

.. did point that out as 'there was a good persom in Rand Pauls groupies'.

[louis-t]

7. Sorry, I don't watch fox.

I just figured they portrayed all Paul supporters as heroes.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

13. I don't either... youtube'd it to see the 'other side'...

... and seemed to be as slanted and disgusting and thought.

But they were pretty... straight from sonme Miss America contest.
Very WASPy. too.

[KansDem]

25. I wonder if this person would have been "good"...

...if a video camera wasn't recording the incident. :shrug:

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

5. I'm confused about the Two Videos.. there seems to be a problem

Video One: The new one showing the sign being handed through the open window to A MOVING VEHICLE that continues to move along. This is where they say that the 'take down' occurred.

Video Two: The stomping Video. Men LEAVING A STOPPED vehicle with both doors OPEN and she's coming from around the vehicle and is pulled down.

So which is it?

Moving vehicle take down? (Or was at that point she was just another person trying to make 'contact' with the person inside whether to shake hands or hand them something... Non-Menacing in any setting..whether political, or celebrity.. it wasn't a pie-in-the-face after all)

OR the stopped vehicle vehicle take-down as definitely more apparent there WAS no threat.

[caseymoz]

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[nbcouch]

8. ooooooh, she tried to put a SIGN on his CAR!

I'm going to have my bodyguards stomp on the next person I catch putting a flyer on my window in the parking lot, and the next panhandler who DARES to approach me on the sidewalk. You can't physically approach ME or my VEHICLE!

[mcollins]

15. Not to be negative, but:

If someone tried to shove anything through the window of a public official's car, how would they be treated? Would the Secret Service act all calm and laugh it off if some right-winger did this to the president?

This is not to say the teabaggers didn't over-react, however, the woman in question is an activist. She knew something could have happened with her act.

We shouldn't take the position of nothing wrong happened, nor should we blind ourselves to the facts as they come out.

[L.Torsalo]

16. Rand Paul

IS NOT A PUBLIC OFFICIAL. He is a doctor running for office. He is a schmoe!

[mcollins]

23. Didn't say he was.

I pointed out the fact that if this happened to a Senator or Representative, or even a Mayor, their security would have acted more harshly than these baggers did.

She went into it knowing bad things could have happened.

[Javaman]

26. Yeah it's all her fault...

:eyes:

[mcollins]

27. Look- you can keep your head buried in the sand if you want,

or you can look at the way this is playing out for our side. She did provoke the crowd, She went in in wearing a wig! to give Rand a fake award. She appears to have tried to push it through a window of a moving car. The other side did drag her to the ground and one guy stomped on her head. In the video that is now going viral you can hear another Rand supporter giving the guy grief over it.

The right-wing media is already playing the whole tape which contradicts what she said at first, they have splashed her activist past across the screen as 'proof' she is some sort of nut.

The guy apologized for his actions and will be facing criminal charges.

It is getting hard to spin this as a win for our side.

Now- had she waited til Rand got out of the car and then tied to hand him the award, and then was roughed up by Rand supporters, we would have a win.

Hingsight is 20/20, but refusing to see reality will continue to cause us to play poorly in the eyes of the country.

Another example-

In Denver last election the Democratic offices were vandalized. The first story out by us was it was the right-wingers to did it! Later it became clear that one of our one activists did it to garner sympathy for the cuase- to make the right look bad.

This year, the Democratic offices were vandalized. What is on everyone's mind in the community? "Oh, the left 'nut-jobs' are at it again." They are not even concerned that the teabaggers did this, because they are already immune to the situation because of last time.

So, yeah, it is all her fault- for showing up in a wig, provoking the crowd into a reaction, and then lying about the events in the first media report. A little more thought into the event and we'd look good. As it is, the people are seeing another radical 'pie-in-the-face' 'attack' by a fringe extremist.

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[mcollins]

32. Oh yes, the next tactic comes into play

accusing anyone who doesn't follow blindly with your version of events is a Troll, Right Winger, Defeatist, Lying POS Teabagging Infil-traitor.

However, here I am on the ground assisting with a real campaign, fighting against real and all I see mostly is hatefull cross-fighting.

If anyone could be accused of trying to water carry for the right, it would be people who's defense of reality is a screaching crow of "TROLL TROLL TROLL"

Disruptions for the sake of dragging the left down- sound like you carry 'their' water perfectly.

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[muriel_volestrangler]

34. Is this post meant to be satire?

"She went in in wearing a wig!"

Yep, satire.

"they have splashed her activist past across the screen as 'proof' she is some sort of nut."

'Activist past'? Yep, still sounding like satire ...

"The guy apologized for his actions"

Hmm, well, it was reported at first that he was apologizing - then it turned out he was asking for an apology.

"It is getting hard to spin this as a win for our side"

Well, no, a violent attack on someone is not 'a win'. But we can all agree it shows there are violent sociopaths on their side. They come out exposed as hateful fuckers. Oh, sorry, I forgot your post was satire ...

"Hingsight is 20/20, but refusing to see reality will continue to cause us to play poorly in the eyes of the country."

Ooh, it's getting hard to believe your post is satire any more. It's shading into fucking idiocy ...

"So, yeah, it is all her fault"

Fuck it, it's an idiotic post blaming a victim for getting stamped on. Shit, this is depressing. Take a look at what you're writing. You're supporting violence.

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. Bollocks. The security for public officials does not stamp on people's heads

You're talking complete rubbish. And you're defending violence with "she was asking for it". What the hell are you thinking?

[demwing]

37. Bullshit

they might have pulled her down, but they would not have come over and stomped on her head AFTER she was down.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. Note: The people who stomped her were activists, too. nt

[elmerdem]

10. please watch the whole video

from Ed. There was almost a minute between the sign in the window & the takedown. It is clear Rand was in no danger when the take down occurred. Seems to me that leaving off half the video is bad reporting, but I guess we've come to expect that from the MSM, especially Couric.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvRXs8uUSlM

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

21. I emailed CBS News feedback with a 'poor Katie Couric'

Said it was unfortunate that the clip they showed emphasizing the volunteer was 'no innocent bystander' was taken out of context and will bring Katie's professionalism into question.. and I hoped they'd rectify it quickly for her sake.

:) :) :)

[nunyabidness]

12. Because CBS does`nt lean Right,does it?

[tjhairball]

14. Don't Tread On Me

Once someone's huddled down on the ground, they really aren't a threat to anybody. Kicking someone while they're down is not part of "security."

[crim son]

18. Haven't seen that pic and man, it's perfect. n/t

[tjhairball]

20. Just put it together in GIMP before posting

So not *too* surprised you haven't seen it before.

[alfredo]

31. Love GIMP. I also use Inkscape for text. Works well with GIMP

[Kber]

19. Most excellent point

and welcome to DU!

[L. Coyote]

35. Don't STOMP my head while I'm down!

Or your candidate will lose the election :rofl:

[Barack_America]

17. The "threat" she posed was not for them to determine and act upon.

Only law enforcement had the right to detain her in any way. And police officers were at the scene.

[nebenaube]

22. Really?

Who holds the leading edge of a flat object they are supposedly shoving into a hole that is only a little bigger then the object itself? If she had taken her right hand off of the sign, then I would agree she was trying to push it in the window but that's not what was happening there; all she was doing was turning the sign around so the rider in the vehicle could see it.

[mbperrin]

28. I guess if little Rand was really really afraid, he shoulda kept his window

closed, eh?

If the second or so that the sign actually intruded a few inches into the vehicle constitutes a threat worthy of a stomping, I'm gonna murder the next United Way person who approaches me at a red light with a bucket looking for a donation.

Because if I were the President, and they were a terrorist, and I was naked, and they had a huge missile, then I'd be in danger, and it's PRACTICALLY the same thing!!!

Right??? Huh???? Am I right????








If somebody in or out of law enforcement doesn't give a good beating to the thug who stomped a woman's head, then I know justice is dead.