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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 01:43 PM
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China reassures US on key 'rare earth' minerals
Source: BBC

China has reassured the US it has no intention of withholding "rare earth" minerals from the market, the US Secretary of State has said.

China suspended export of the metals, key to some high-tech industries, to Japan after a diplomatic spat.

The US has pressed China, which has pledged not to use the minerals as a diplomatic weapon, to defuse the row. Representatives from China and Japan also held informal talks on the fringes of an Asean conference in Vietnam.

US officials said Hillary Clinton's Chinese counterpart, Yang Jiechi, told the US secretary of state that his country would not use rare earths as a diplomatic, political or economic tool in dealing with other countries.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11657982



Earlier news articles on this here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=4582083
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 02:26 PM
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1. Sounds fair enough
I've been away for 3 weeks in Cuba so I'm a bit out of touch - all you get there is the Pacific CNN and BBC World News editions both of which are pants with sanitized news like you'd also get from both in the USA.

:hi:
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 02:41 PM
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2. That's funny - and they will use the released political prisoners
To deliver the shipments. We have been out maneuvered. We are killing traditional manufacturing for green jobs, and just forgot to secure the most critical raw materials. But i'm sure China will be more than happy to "sell" the material to us.

Somebody screwed up big time.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:01 PM
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3. what do you mean by "secure the most critical raw materials" , hope you don't mean occupy China ?
Edited on Sat Oct-30-10 03:02 PM by UndertheOcean
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:41 PM
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5. How about simply a prearranged trade agreement
Why would you even think about occupation. Any business peson knows that you don't "start a new business" without securing all critical resources - but kidnapping people to work for you or seizing others property is usually frowned upon.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 09:22 AM
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13. Canada has them. Investment is being directed in that direction
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 09:24 AM by Ghost Dog
as we speak.

Chile, perhaps Peru also, I believe.

And Australia.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:40 PM
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4. They are using this to move more manufacturing to China
There are huge export tariffs on the rare earths in raw and refined form. But only if the rare earths are more than 50% of the final product. This means the most high-tech consumer items must be made in China to be affordable. (Rare earths are way less than 50% of a consumer product). So China gets to learn the know-how to make very high tech stuff, which serves them well defensively as well as making them money in manufacturing.

If the WTO means anything this has to stop. And I'm a free-trader. This is a national security issue and the Obama administration better not sit around finger-banging themselves while we lose this important sector.

Oh, wait, this story IS about the administration finger-banging itself...
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:42 PM
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6. Bingo - you were smart enough to figure this out
How did our entire administration miss it ?
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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 06:29 PM
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9. What China is going to do . . .
. . . is make magnates out of the rare earth metals and use them in motors, like ebike motors and the ones in electric cars and hybrids. Then they will sell us the motors. Since they have vast supplies of lithium, they can sell us the batteries too.

If you don't follow ebike development, you probably wouldn't know this. With the exception of one company in Canada and one in Germany, almost all the ebike motors come from China.
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Hook Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 02:00 AM
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14. True
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:29 AM
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10. If the WTO organization means anything?
people who have seriously studied the WTO and all the other acronym agencies like IMF, G20 etc, are fairly sure that these agencies have colluded over the past fifteen years (if not longer) to see to it that the USA is brought to its knees.

Most excellent lecture on this by someone who has been listed over at the Iowa PBS internet site.

I'll see if I can find the pertinent link. And it is really troubling - these agencies are not just about seeing to it that we don't manufacture any Gawd given products of value, but also they are seeing to it that we no longer continue to produce food.



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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:33 AM
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11. Here's the link I mentioned in my first reply:


http://www.iptv.org/video/detail.cfm/3135/ittv_20081220_155

If you only listen to only this one lecture this year, you will have learned a great deal.
I feel it is the most revealing piece I have listened to on the web in over a year.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 02:20 AM
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15. This is China "finger-banging itself".
If you can't invent anything, but have become nothing but a nation of meat-robots, you try to sale yourself as having other assets, once people realize that meat-robots are cheap on a global scale.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:29 PM
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7. Of course the Chinese won't be withholding these minerals - they will be
Putting them in our milk and pet food!!

<Satire meant>
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 05:20 PM
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8. It is their right as a sovereign state to withhold them if desired.
Edited on Sat Oct-30-10 05:20 PM by roamer65
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 05:58 AM
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12. Mountain Pass, California rare earth mine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Pass_rare_earth_mine

The Mountain Pass rare earth mine is an open-pit mine of rare earth elements (REEs) on the south flank of the Clark Mountain Range and just north of the unincorporated community of Mountain Pass, California, United States. The mine, owned by Molycorp Minerals, once supplied most of the world's rare earth elements. It is presently inactive, but is projected to reopen in 2011.

Current activity

The mine, once the world's dominant producer of rare earth elements, was closed in large part due to competition from REEs imported from China, which in 2009 supplied more than 96% of the world's REEs. Since 2007 China has restricted exports of REEs and imposed export tariffs, both to conserve resources and to give preference to Chinese manufacturers. Some outside China are concerned that because rare earths are essential to some high-tech, renewable-energy, and defense-related technologies, the world should not be reliant on a single source.

Environmental Impact

In 1998, chemical processing at the mine was stopped after a series of wastewater leaks. Hundreds of thousands of gallons of water carrying radioactive waste spilled into and around Ivanpah Dry Lake.

In the 1980s, the company began piping wastewater as far as 14 miles to evaporation ponds on or near Ivanpah Dry Lake, east of Interstate 15 near Nevada. This pipeline repeatedly ruptured during cleaning operations to remove mineral deposits called scale. The scale is radioactive because of the presence of thorium and radium, which occur naturally in the rare earth ore. A federal investigation later found that some 60 spills—some unreported—occurred between 1984 and 1998, when the pipeline was shut down. In all, about 600,000 gallons of radiological and other hazardous waste flowed onto the desert floor, according to federal authorities. By the end of the 1990s, Unocal had been hit with a cleanup order and a San Bernardino County district attorney's lawsuit. The company paid more than $1.4 million in fines and settlements. After preparing a cleanup plan and completing an extensive environmental study, Unocal in 2004 won approval of a county permit that allowed the mine to operate for another 30 years. The mine also passed a key county inspection in 2007.
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Pentagon Sees No Rare-Earths Crisis; May Aid U.S. Producers

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-30/pentagon-sees-no-security-threat-from-rare-earths-may-aid-u-s-producers.html

The U.S. Defense Department has concluded that China’s monopoly on rare-earth materials, used in military hardware such as missile guidance and radar systems, poses no threat to national security, according to a person familiar with a year-long study by the Pentagon. The report notes that rising prices and supply uncertainties are spurring private investment in new mining operations outside of China that will help meet American military needs, which require less than 5 percent of U.S. rare- earth consumption.

The Pentagon expects the supply situation to improve by 2013 once rare-earth mines outside of China, such as one planned by Australia’s Lynas Corp. Ltd., begin operations next year, said the person familiar with the findings.

China accounts for about 36 percent of global rare-earth reserves, the largest share, and the U.S. is second, with 13 percent, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

The study recommends, among other steps, an examination of how the Defense Department could aid companies such as Molycorp, which has applied to the Energy Department for $280 million in U.S. government loan guarantees to help finance restarting its open-pit, rare-earths mine in Mountain Pass, California, in the Mojave Desert. The mine once met almost all the world’s demand for rare- earth metals. It shut down in 2002 due to competition from cheaper Chinese supplies. Molycorp plans to resume production by the end of 2012.

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