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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 10:56 AM
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Powell Not Sure Iraq Trailers Were Labs


AOL no less

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20040402223609990003&_mpc=news%2e6

WASHINGTON (April 3) - Secretary of State Colin Powell conceded Friday evidence he presented to the United Nations that two trailers in Iraq were used for weapons of mass destruction may have been wrong.
In an airborne news conference on the way home from NATO talks in Brussels, Belgium, Powell said he had been given solid information about the trailers that he told the Security Council in February 2003 were designed for making biological weapons.

But now, Powell said, ''it appears not to be the case that it was that solid.''

Powell told reporters that as he worked on the Bush administration's case against Iraq U.S. intelligence ''indicated to me'' that the intelligence was solid.

''I'm not the intelligence community, but I probed and I made sure, as I said in my presentation, these are multi-sourced'' allegations, Powell said.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 10:59 AM
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1. Hell, I'm sure they weren't!
Just like that vial wasn't real Anthrax spores!
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BigBigBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:01 AM
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2. Help me out here
...um...this is news?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:05 AM
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3. Doesn't anyone remember this famous news article?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html

Mr Powell conducted a full-dress rehearsal of the speech on the eve of the session at his suite in the Waldorf Astoria, his New York base when he is on UN business, according to the authoritative US News and World Report.

Much of the initial information for Mr Powell's speech to the UN was provided by the Pentagon, where Paul Wolfowitz, the US deputy defence secretary, set up a special unit, the Office of Special Plans, to counter the uncertainty of the CIA's intelligence on Iraq.

Mr Powell's team removed dozens of pages of alleged evidence about Iraq's banned weapons and ties to terrorists from a draft of his speech, US News and World Report says today. At one point, he became so angry at the lack of adequate sourcing to intelligence claims that he declared: "I'm not reading this. This is bullshit," according to the magazine.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:29 AM
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12. Brit paper-never saw mainstream light of day in the US
Yes I remember that but like I said that got nada zero no coverage in the US corporate media world.

When I was talking to friends before and during the military attack phase of the war they repeatedly asked me where I got THAT information, I tried told them that they were being LIED TO. The sad part is that almost to a man they have told me that I was right all along (thanks DU) but that really doesn't make it okay.

The common perception (gee wonder where they got that from) was that Europe Asia the whole world was so against this because they hate W and America (thus boosting the "why do YOU hate 'Murka? crap) when in actually they were reading and receiving a completely different set of information (and actual facts) to base their decision on. Yeah there was some W hating but the vast difference in what we got and they got is/was astounding.
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:06 AM
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4. could it be...powell the next to turn on bush?
hot damn if he pulled a dick clarke - the end is nigh for bushco
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:39 AM
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14. my thoughts exactly
Colin Powell ... the next "defector" from the BFEE perhaps? Maybe he really does have some integrity in his soul? Who the HELL knows?

:dem: :kick:
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:11 AM
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5. That Family Has Problems - Dad Can't See, Son Can't Hear!
Standards for government employment have really declined.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:12 AM
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6. It's too late, Colin. I've often wondered what "dirt" they had on you.
Did they threaten to declassify some My Lai documents? Are you an adulterer? Oh, well. It doesn't matter. You saw the one-way sign on the road you chose but you chose it, anyway. And a lot of people have died for your choice. Now you have to live with it.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:12 AM
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7. How can these assholes live with themselves
How can they go to bed at night, knowing what they did, knowing, how many are dead and dying, civilians and soldiers, for nothing?
What ye sow ye shall reap.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:15 AM
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8. C'mon now, anyone could have made the same mistake
...when thet work in a setting where ideology is the driving force behind all decisions.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:19 AM
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9. Oh sure, NOW he's willing to look at the facts.
Mr Powell, you have no credibility left. This is just another nail in the coffin. A minimum of 10,000 dead civilians in Iraq, and NOW you think you MAY have been wrong?

Ray McGovern could have told you that you were wrong a long time ago.

Charlatan.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:23 AM
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10. The retraction will be on page 7 of the Lifestyles section
Usually but this was on AOhelL's front page.

Whoooooops
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pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:24 AM
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11. Looks and sounds as if the rats are trying
to abandon the sinking, stinking ship. Sorry Colin ole fellow your credibility is shot for having hung around too long with the thugs in the white house.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:38 AM
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13. OMG! Does that mean
this wasn't anthrax?!?!?



:eyes:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:48 AM
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15. OMG does that mean 602 soldiers died for a LIE?
Sorry I'm sick of it-Wolf:"Did they die in vain?" YES is the answer.
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jerryskid Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:50 AM
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16. Well what do ya know
I live in bakersfield ca and i am a high school student. For those of you who dont know bakersfield it is a conservative hole in the ground. i have spent two years telling kids how there is no w.m.d.'s and every time they bitched at me for being "unamerican." well its pretty unamerican to start a war huh. now look what has happened. i also told them we would want there oil... and they didnt beleive me.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:12 PM
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19. Welcome to DU
AS I stated above I had the same kind of conversations with friends and they thought I was crazy. Hell, I even gave the WMD story some benefit of the doubt probably from being hit over the head with it every time I turned on the box despite all of the evidence (See Will Pitt's book "The War in Iraq") to the contrary.

They have almost to a man come back and confidentially admitted that I was right. That doesn't make it okay though.

Again welcome to DU :hi:
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:27 PM
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20. Bakersfield
:hi:

Yes I know Bakersfield and it is a hell hole. My brother was in the Air Force and stationed there for a couple of years during the Vietnam war.

Welcome to the DU, the land of the free and the home of the brave here.

Suddenly all of these diehard pukes are changing their tune as their sons and daughters now risk being drafted and killed in a "war" (INVASION) that should have never been.

Now those that opposed the invasion of Iraq are proving themselves to be the real true patriots of our country for they spoke up and voiced their opinions.

You are either with us or against us ... what a pile of Nazi crap indeed!

Hang in there and don't let them draft you my dear young one!

twilight

:dem: :kick:
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 03:25 PM
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23. Welcome to you jerryskid
Continue to post, we value your input.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:53 AM
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17. We knew it was Bull shit the minute he said it
I was here at DU then saying it was bull shit

Hans Blix was taking soil samples of the locations the administration was seeing them in the satelight photos. Guess what No signs of toxins.

GUESS WHAT.... The US does not have the technology to makes these weapons with out leaving trace elements behind. So what Collin was suggesting by that statement up in front of the UN security council was the Iraq had technology superior to ours.

UTTER BULL SHIT
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 11:54 AM
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18. Powell's just trying to cover his ass going out the exit
Win or loss, Colin will not be back next year. Watch him slowly distance himself.
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:35 PM
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21. TVNL pegged Powell long ago!
In case you missed the article: Was Powell prepared to LIE to the UN -
here it is again. He knew. He knew.

http://tvnewslies.org/html/powell_lies_to_un.html
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 12:48 PM
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22. The entire world knows they weren't labs...this guy is really quick!
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SmokeyBlues Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 03:29 PM
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24. So very wrong!
"But now, Powell said, "it appears not to be the case that it was that solid."

This is just so very wrong! I hope his soul goes directly to hell!
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 03:55 PM
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25. Or as Homer might say;
DO'H!

Powell, what tool.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 04:35 PM
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26. In a related story, W admits the tax cuts will help mainly rich people.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 04:44 PM
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27. Not only a liar
Now he adds weasel to the job description.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 04:47 PM
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28. Limited hang-out in full view.
Amazing, isn't it? While most of us knew of Powell's "This is bullshit!" remark regarding the UN presentation months and months ago, the average media consumer will now get a partial admission of the larger truth, designed to minimize the damage of a potential break in the dam.

Some of us have argued that Clarke's recent admissions are a limited hang-out - a view supported by the fact that the White House vetted "Against All Enemies" before its release.

Powell's latest trick is a look at a limited hang-out in action. And just think, this is new to many people out there.

We need to get the earlier "Bullshit!" story out there, to show people that we knew a while back what was going down, and that the media is clearly manipulating them. The amount of time between that earlier story and this is a good way to back that up.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF04Ak02.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html

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29. locking
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