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cory777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:27 AM
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Race Is On to 'Fingerprint' Phones, PCs
Source: Wall Street Journal

IRVINE, Calif.—David Norris wants to collect the digital equivalent of fingerprints from every computer, cellphone and TV set-top box in the world.

He's off to a good start. So far, Mr. Norris's start-up company, BlueCava Inc., has identified 200 million devices. By the end of next year, BlueCava says it expects to have cataloged one billion of the world's estimated 10 billion devices.

Advertisers no longer want to just buy ads. They want to buy access to specific people. So, Mr. Norris is building a "credit bureau for devices" in which every computer or cellphone will have a "reputation" based on its user's online behavior, shopping habits and demographics. He plans to sell this information to advertisers willing to pay top dollar for granular data about people's interests and activities.

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It's tough even for sophisticated Web surfers to tell if their gear is being fingerprinted. Even if people modify their machines—adding or deleting fonts, or updating software—fingerprinters often can still recognize them. There's not yet a way for people to delete fingerprints that have been collected. In short, fingerprinting is largely invisible, tough to fend off and semi-permanent.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704679204575646704100959546.html?mod=rss_whats_news_technology



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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:28 AM
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1. "Even if people modify their machines—adding or deleting fonts"
We've got a real computer expert right here.
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cory777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:36 AM
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3. I enjoyed that too, Genius!
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:41 AM
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6. lolz nt
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:43 AM
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7. Fuck! You mean that I just wasted my time deleting a font???
Shit. I was *sure* that would change my MAC address!
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:25 AM
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12. Pro-Tip: Use someone else's MAC address.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:51 AM
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8. AIUI, this is real, particularly for web browsers.
Web browsers send their name and version, along with the OS name and version, and fonts installed under Java.

This has been known for almost a year. Pick an article:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=browser+fingerprint
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:55 AM
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9. Anyone savvy enough to know that
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 01:56 AM by sudopod
will just spoof their user agent string, run noscript, etc, wouldn't they?

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:39 AM
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16. User-Agent, Accept, Accept-Encoding, Accept-Charset, Accept-Language, (etc.)
It's a tad more complex than "User-Agent" and noscript.

If you don't believe me, try running 300 automated google searches in an hour without being flagged, or walled.

I run about 3,000 a day, and it's a fun, messy, field, to simulate thousands of users.



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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:58 AM
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19. Well sure, if you're using google in industrial quantities I guess you'd have to cover every base
But then, it's not hard to make a browser tell sweet sweet lies. It only takes a few minutes to batten down the hatches on a vanilla Firefox install.

However, I think it's fair to say that deleting fonts, unless that's a euphemism for something else, probably isn't the most efficient way to go about being sneaky. I'm just an amateur though, so maybe I missed something. I'm not the king of nerds around here by a long shot.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:27 AM
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14. I just changed my browser from IE to Mozilla
That should throw them off for a couple of days.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:27 AM
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13. Ah. You don't know about that, then.
So, since you possibly think of yourself as an expert, I'll explain how it works..

Both flash and javascript have font calls, and methods of downloading "missing" fonts.

Font=Cookie.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:28 AM
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15. derp derp noscript
a derp
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:44 AM
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17. Ah, the person outside the herd.
No way to notice and find that, right?

"I'm the rare buffalo standing away from the herd! You can't identify me in the herd! I'm way over here, different from all of them!"

*bang*

"Shit."
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:50 AM
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18. eh, my browser got a 1 in 3000 on the panopticlick test.
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 03:50 AM by sudopod
If it looks like a few hundred other people out of the 1.5 million( http://panopticlick.eff.org/ ), that's ok, imho. Apparently the trick is to get a sufficiently generic user agent string, but for some reason mine is still sticking out even when tuned to a flavor of internet exploder. :shrug:

Never claimed to be a special snowflake, though.
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Blandocyte Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:20 AM
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24. That's an amazing site
It showed all my PC info, all my fonts, browser type/version, browser plugins, etc. Also thumbnails of the pr0n I'd looked at and most embarrassingly pics of the Esteban guitar I ordered. OK, kidding about the last 2.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 11:31 AM
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31. Noscript and Ghostery (and Firefox) can help.
That site will not even load for me, because I have Javascript turned off, I think.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 04:38 PM
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33. I use random per-request user-agent strings to screw with web programmers' heads
uzbl lets you do fun things.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:07 PM
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22. you need root for that
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 04:35 PM
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32. sudo make me a sandwich (nt)
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:31 AM
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2. I'll sell access to the fingerprint of my computer
For only $19.95 per month per advertiser.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:37 AM
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4. Welcome To Slavery.
No Privacy for anyone, anywhere.

All for the Greater Greed.

Makes me wonder sometimes if the developers of the Original Deus Ex had a point.

Blow It All Up and Start It The Fuck Over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGhVxTxjS-Y
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sat110 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 01:40 AM
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5. Always try and research before purchase
I build all my Laptops and Desktops, what has me concerned
is my Phone and maybe my router one day, anyways cant a
wireless or internet provider just sell that them-self?

TP
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:03 AM
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10. The devil inside
Until recently, fingerprinting was used mainly to prevent illegal copying of computer software or to thwart credit-card fraud. BlueCava's own fingerprinting technology traces its unlikely roots to an inventor who, in the early 1990s, wanted to protect the software he used to program music keyboards for the Australian pop band INXS.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:17 AM
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11. Damn it I just figure out how managing my cookies and block scripts ;_; K&R N/T
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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 04:02 AM
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20. Really let's face it: The internet was designed for the Police State.
Are you on Facebook?? That is information assimilated. Aside from your DNA, they know who you know, what you buy, the websites you visit, who you know, your political leanings, what you say, what you think. How does that feel?? There is no such thing as privacy anymorel
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FinGovi Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:38 AM
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21. Plenty of privacy
if you lie all the time while face/spybooking. So much demographic data exists and so little ability to process it. I don't have any portable devices, except for this laptop...
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:28 AM
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25. No, it was designed to sell you stuff.
Just like TV.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 10:24 AM
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28. Well, no, it was *designed* for military communications after a nuclear strike
And expanded to allow research scientists to exchange pornography^H^H^H^H^H research papers.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:18 PM
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34. Police state? How about the Corporate State?
Police state? How about the Corporate State?

Seems to me it's the market that collecting, tabulating and collating this information on everyone they can. And the market seems to be a lot more effective and efficient at it that your local PD or even the Feds.

I'm much more concerned about my personal info reaching the market than I am it reaching the Feds.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 07:12 PM
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23. OH MY GOD!! THEY MIGHT DIRECT MARKET ME!?!!?
Not everything is nefarious, ya know?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:34 AM
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26. Good luck with THAT shit...


Once I've researched exactly what a proxy is and how it works, there will be quite a few buffers between myself and the impending fascist conspiracy:freak:
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 10:22 AM
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27. Flash is a big culprit here
Macromedia essentially gutted the security restrictions Java and Javascript had been operating under, and nobody cared because we were too enamored of being able to watch videos of pandas sneezing.
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Countdown_3_2_1 Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 10:38 AM
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29. Hmmmm. OK. How about an encryption device between your computer and the net.?
I doubt hacker types will be intimidated. Watch the techno sites for a counter measure.

I'll bet its under $50.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 10:52 AM
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30. This is why we need legislation that protects our online and telephone privacy
Yesterday, Kerry introduced legislation written to deal with this. (Coincidentally, his brother, Cam Kerry is heading Obama's task force on this.


During the process of drafting legislation, I’ve concluded that consumers should have three nonnegotiable rights. First, all firms must put procedures in place to secure personally identifiable information. Second, consumers have a right to know in clear and concise terms what firms intend to collect, why, and how it will be used. Third, consumers should be given a simple mechanism for opting out of the process.

“Information collection is now a routine part of commerce, but proper stewardship of information is as important as how it is collected. Firms should have to notify consumers when privacy policies change and allow consumers to have their information anonymized if the company goes bankrupt or they want to terminate the relationship. Companies should make an effort to minimize the data collected, ensure it is protected while being transferred, and ensure continued accuracy of information throughout the process.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x538934
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:37 PM
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35. Anyone who moved DIMMs in a Microsoft box knows that's a bunch of crap.
Anyone who has tested their second RAM channel knows exactly what I mean: just moving the memory over one centimeter used to be enough to force a phone call to Microsoft to re-validate Windows XP, because Windows interpreted that movement as a previously used copy of XP being installed on a new machine.

Toss in zombies, burners, wide-open routers, images, sock puppets, proxies, and clouds, and the quality of the data being collected becomes the proverbial teaspoon of wine in the gallon of sewage, or vice versa--either way, it's shit. It's shit, and it will be used against us.
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