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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:56 AM
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Wikileaks: UK allowed US to use cluster bomb 'loophole' (Cable written by "CLINTON" last year)
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 02:31 AM by Turborama
Source: BBC

The UK kept quiet about a loophole allowing the US to continue storing cluster bombs on its territory despite an international ban on the weapons, a leaked US diplomatic cable suggests. A senior Foreign Office official is quoted in the message sent in May 2009.

Dropped from the air or fired from the ground, cluster munitions release small bomblets over a wide area. Critics say they have a devastating humanitarian impact - most victims are civilians; a third are children.

Britain was among more than 90 countries which signed the Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) in December 2008. The treaty bans the use of cluster bombs and prohibits signatories from assisting other countries to use, stockpile or transfer them. The then Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, hailed the treaty as a "major breakthrough".

'Temporary exception'

But the US - along with other major military powers such as Russia, China, India and Pakistan - was not a signatory. And that clearly put the UK in an awkward position with a key ally.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11894759



The cable ...

Summary
This is a secret account of a meeting between the British Foreign Office and their American counterparts last year. The Foreign Office suggests that a loophole to allow the US keep cluster bombs on British soil be kept from Parliament in case it "complicated or muddied" the debate. Key section highlighted in yellow:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/208206?intcmp=239


ETA

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/05/09STATE52368.html">The cable on Cablegate has this header:

R 211912Z MAY 09
FM SECSTATE WASHDC
TO AMEMBASSY LONDON
INFO JOINT STAFF WASHINGTON DC
SECDEF WASHINGTON DC
USMISSION USNATO
USMISSION GENEVA

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

WikiLeaks cables: Secret deal let Americans sidestep cluster bomb ban
Officials concealed from parliament how US is allowed to bring weapons on to British soil in defiance of treaty

Rob Evans and David Leigh
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday December 01 2010 22.59 GMT




British and American officials colluded in a plan to hoodwink parliament over a proposed ban on cluster bombs, the Guardian can disclose.

According to leaked US embassy dispatches, David Miliband, who was Britain's foreign secretary under Labour, approved the use of a loophole to manoeuvre around the ban and allow the US to keep the munitions on British territory.

Unlike Britain, the US had refused to sign up to an international convention that bans the weapons because of the widespread injury they cause to civilians.

The US military asserted that cluster bombs were "legitimate weapons that provide a vital military capability" and wanted to carry on using British bases regardless of the ban.

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-cluster-bombs-britain
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:21 AM
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1. Well sometimes we need to overnight them to Israel so they can spread the love in Lebanon.
Interestingly, Clinton is against banning cluster bombs, Obama was (during the campaign) for banning cluster bombs. And yet, we still have all these cluster bombs.

How does that work?

PB
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:14 AM
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2. Neither Clinton or Obama control our munitions.
One of the more fucked-up parts about US democracy is that our leadership is spread so far that no insane, singular, person can do anything absurd. It takes a team. We can elect some parts of the team, others are nominated, others are promoted.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 04:50 AM
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3. Of course the President can control the munitions.
He can, as Commander in Chief, make sure that we stop using the cluster bombs.

If he wasn't so busy creaming his pants over his ability to consort with the members
of G 8 (and G 20) and the continual back room deals, he could, as Commander In Chief, issue a directive that these are now off limits and cannot be used.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 05:07 AM
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4. He could also instruct the military to halt expulsions under DADT.
But he doesn't. Too provocative or something.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:52 PM
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12. His Pants---LOL
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:17 PM
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14. okay, okay I am coming out of the closet right now.
I confess to watching Far Far Far too much Craig Ferguson.

And after several nights of the skeletor robot and his "In Your Pants" that is about the only mantra always on the tip of my grey matter.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 07:00 AM
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7. The POTUS is the CiC
so there is a flaw in your premise, I believe.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:50 AM
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9. Poll-Blind
Obama's administration is packed with clinton re-treads.We voted for Obama , not clinton.

I remember in the primaries, Obama would be drawing thousands to his rallies. Hillary would be seen campaigning in diners..people barely looking up when she walked through. Chris Mathews was declaring hillary the next president even then.

The states which use the caucus method in the primaries went overwhelmingly for Obama.States with electronic voting machines without caucuses went for hillary.In the NH primary, urban areas went for Obama, rural for Obama . Should have been exactly the opposite.

Our elections are not even as honest as third world. But getting back to the clintons. They haven't given up. There continues to be rumors of biden and clinton switching jobs. If that happens, Obama could not make it. With the life thingy. He knows it too.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:32 AM
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10. Can you give me a list of some of those re-treads?
I'm not familiar with that.

I agree about the honesty of our elections and to your commentary about a possible Clinton/Biden switch, yeah, I don't see that working out very well either.

PB
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:31 PM
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11. Excuse me? You dragged Israel into this WHY?
To prove the Jews run the world? Is that your thesis?

The automatic kneejerk anti-semitism in this place awes me.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:12 AM
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5. Appalling
:(
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:45 AM
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6. We need a real leader.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 08:16 AM
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8. a sad k&r!
I expected so much more from BHO! :shrug:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:44 PM
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13. Well, glad the BBC is letting us know what this all means -- !!! Wow!!
These new weapons are absolutely disgusting and should be stopped!!
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