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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:42 AM
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Turning garbage into oil | Newsday
"When I first explain it to people, they think I'm nuts. I'm telling you, they think I'm nuts," said the 45-year-old West Hempstead entrepreneur whose latest venture is a local company that is getting nationwide attention with an astonishing technology that can transform almost anything -- from tires to turkeys -- into high-quality petroleum.

Appel and his financial backers have bet more than $66 million that the modern-day alchemy practiced by Changing World Technologies Inc. will revolutionize the way the world deals with its waste, reduce dependence on foreign oil, fight the spread of mad cow disease and even ease global warming.

http://www.newsday.com/ny-app0404,0,3967954.story?coll=ny-homepage-big-pix
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:48 AM
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1. Makes Landfills
Look like a pretty good investment.

I've been tooting this ones horn ever since I read about it in Discover last May.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 04:13 AM
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6. You gotta love it. Yesterday you thought your house was built on the
next love canal. Today the junk your house is built on makes you a millionaire! Oil, that is, black gold.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:49 AM
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2. Can he turn human garbage into oil, too?
If so, there's a whole lotta' Republican folks who'd make great fuel for their SUV's.

:evilgrin:
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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:15 AM
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4. Anything carbon-based, apparenty
;)
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 07:52 AM
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8. The few months ago DU thread had a post on energy required for transforma
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 07:58 AM by papau
tion and energy in output oil, plus a bit about difficulty in scaling up.

Does the fact former Central Intelligence Agency Director R. James Woolsey is a special adviser to the company as well as an investor, mean the CIA is just keeping control - or is this technology this time for real?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:41 AM
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10. I don't know what to make of that connection either
it's been driving me crazy for months!

Is Woolsey there to make the technology disappear if it threatens the oil companies? Or is he there to make a profit?


crazy
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:00 AM
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13. The oil companies
are very interested in this technology, per the Discover article from last year (no longer available online as far as I know). It can easily be added to their existing facilities, and it's a very exploitable market. Just think, ten years down the road, we could actually be calling Big Oil responsible because they're helping get rid of our country's landfills and control garbage pollution nationwide. With this, Big Oil could well redeem itself.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:58 AM
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12. It's for real this time.
Basically, all it is is a modified refinery. In fact, it's so much like a refinery that it can be spliced into existing oil refineries.

Perfect the process, pull out of the middle east completely, and tell OPEC to go screw itself because we don't need them anymore.

With this process, that is a very real possibility. Kerry should tout this and promise massive federal funding to ramp up a National Oil Conversion Project, or some such.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:39 AM
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18. billions of govt. money to suck up
renewable energy is the next big thing. Expect a lot of sham technologies to spring up that work about as well, and are about expensive, as that missile defense system.

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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:55 AM
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11. in theory,
it can turn humans into oil too. Anything carbon-based. They've managed to replicate the processes the Earth uses to render biological material into oil. Not just oil, though- lots of products can result from this process, including industrial grade carbon black, kerosene, gasoline, and other materials.

The process is scalable, so a refinery could be placed on the back of a flatbed truck, which could drive around town collecting garbage and filling gas tanks at the same time. This, if it is perfected, is The Solution to Peak Oil.

I should note that while we would still ne using oil and polluting the air thereby, this would at least buy us some time to try to discover an exotic new form of energy that doesn't pollute, to perfect solar panels and increase their efficiency, whatever.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:59 PM
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27. About the air polution
The carbon dioxide released would come from biomass, thus instead of releasing carbon that had been sequestered deep underground, the carbon would in effect be recycled to/from the atmosphere.

Little "new" carbon dioxide released.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 06:33 PM
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30. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheaaaaaaaaaa
You only made to the the second post, that was first thing that struck my thinking. Damn have to be a little quicker on the draw :D
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:11 AM
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3. Thank yo so much for the link!
I've been doing some work trying to get a Tyson plant here in my city to look into this technology. I'm still waiting on a response. We have 2 hog processing plants, a landfill, and sewage sludge that can be used all in my little town!!! I think it would be wonderful!!!
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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:16 AM
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5. You are welcome...
... and good luck.
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webtrainer Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:12 PM
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22. link to the company's website . . .
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:22 AM
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7. well, he may not be helping global warming, but he's certainly helping
reduce pollution. and it's a lot cheaper to use the infrastructure the way it is than convert it to hydrogen, which may (according to some scientists) destroy the ozone layer faster than anything so far.

now, if his technology takes off, we need to increase efficiency and make hybrids the norm.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:32 AM
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16. This technology actually can help slow global warming
with petroleum pulled out of the ground, you're pumping carbon back into the biosphere that has been out of it for millions of years.

With this technology, you not adding any more carbon to the biosphere.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 06:54 PM
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33. you're certainly adding more to the atmosphere.
it's not going to head there if it's buried in solid mass. not that THAT'S a better idea, but hydrocarbon gases and carbon dioxide float a lot higher than rubber tires and cooking oil.
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 08:15 AM
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9. So... who's going to buy that patent...
and promptly bury the technology?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:04 AM
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I don't see that happening this time.l
For one thing, far too many people know from the Discover article that there's already a small refinery ready to go online with this process, and the oil companies themselves are very interested for obvious reasons. As I recall, Big Oil does not see this as a threat, but rather an asset to be added (easily) to their existing operations. It would also solve some security problems for them; were this perfected, Big Oil could just say to OPEC, "Keep your oil. We no longer require your help."

This process will turn the middle east power structure on its head. The leverage of OPEC nations would evaporate. Without that leverage, they're just small middle eastern nations instead of global power brokers.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:27 AM
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17. The BFEE
Buying a landfill has got to be cheaper than buying the BFEE.

Let's say it costs $100 million to purchase, dig up and extract the petroleum goodness from a landfill that yields $250 million worth of gasoline. Let's also say it costs $150 million to produce $250 million worth of gasoline from dead dinosaurs.

This takes into account all the factors in production of dino gas: exploration, drilling, refining, paying off the BFEE.

Hence the problem: if it's fifty million cheaper to mine garbage than to drill for oil, these guys will go that way. I don't believe they're addicted to evil for its own sake, but rather to money; if they found out they could make gas a nickel cheaper by making it out of their mothers' blood, mom had better watch herself.

And because this technology presents an immediate threat to the long-term health of the BFEE, the BFEE themselves will be the ones to bury it.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:04 AM
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14. I had heard that some member of the Bush Crime Family had cornered
the patent. I remember reading about this a year or so agao. When someone followed the money, it came back to the oil industry barons. Anyone remember who had dibs on it?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:09 AM
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15. I don't know if that matters this time.
Discover Magazine and Newsday are read by a lot of people, and as I mentioned before, there's already a plant ready to run with this. It's a pilot project, true, but all they're testing for is efficiency now; the process has been nailed down.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:30 PM
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39. So it's real? Not another cold fusion deal?
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:41 PM
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41. Yes
It's real. See the Discover article I pasted into post 20
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:03 PM
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19. I believe Rummy and Baker have fingers in the pot
as I recall
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 04:55 PM
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20. Here's the Discover Article
Anything into Oil
Technological savvy could turn 600 million tons of turkey guts and other waste into 4 billion barrels of light Texas crude each year
By Brad Lemley
Photography by Tony Law


Gory refuse, from a Butterball Turkey plant in Carthage, Missouri, will no longer go to waste. Each day 200 tons of turkey offal will be carted to the first industrial-scale thermal depolymerization plant, recently completed in an adjacent lot, and be transformed into various useful products, including 600 barrels of light oil.

In an industrial park in Philadelphia sits a new machine that can change almost anything into oil.
Really.
"This is a solution to three of the biggest problems facing mankind," says Brian Appel, chairman and CEO of Changing World Technologies, the company that built this pilot plant and has just completed its first industrial-size installation in Missouri. "This process can deal with the world's waste. It can supplement our dwindling supplies of oil. And it can slow down global warming."
Pardon me, says a reporter, shivering in the frigid dawn, but that sounds too good to be true.
"Everybody says that," says Appel. He is a tall, affable entrepreneur who has assembled a team of scientists, former government leaders, and deep-pocketed investors to develop and sell what he calls the thermal depolymerization process, or TDP. The process is designed to handle almost any waste product imaginable, including turkey offal, tires, plastic bottles, harbor-dredged muck, old computers, municipal garbage, cornstalks, paper-pulp effluent, infectious medical waste, oil-refinery residues, even biological weapons such as anthrax spores. According to Appel, waste goes in one end and comes out the other as three products, all valuable and environmentally benign: high-quality oil, clean-burning gas, and purified minerals that can be used as fuels, fertilizers, or specialty chemicals for manufacturing.
Unlike other solid-to-liquid-fuel processes such as cornstarch into ethanol, this one will accept almost any carbon-based feedstock. If a 175-pound man fell into one end, he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water. While no one plans to put people into a thermal depolymerization machine, an intimate human creation could become a prime feedstock. "There is no reason why we can't turn sewage, including human excrement, into a glorious oil," says engineer Terry Adams, a project consultant. So the city of Philadelphia is in discussion with Changing World Technologies to begin doing exactly that.


"The potential is unbelievable," says Michael Roberts, a senior chemical engineer for the Gas Technology Institute, an energy research group. "You're not only cleaning up waste; you're talking about distributed generation of oil all over the world."
"This is not an incremental change. This is a big, new step," agrees Alf Andreassen, a venture capitalist with the Paladin Capital Group and a former Bell Laboratories director.
The offal-derived oil, is chemically almost identical to a number two fuel oil used to heat homes.

Andreassen and others anticipate that a large chunk of the world's agricultural, industrial, and municipal waste may someday go into thermal depolymerization machines scattered all over the globe. If the process works as well as its creators claim, not only would most toxic waste problems become history, so would imported oil. Just converting all the U.S. agricultural waste into oil and gas would yield the energy equivalent of 4 billion barrels of oil annually. In 2001 the United States imported 4.2 billion barrels of oil. Referring to U.S. dependence on oil from the volatile Middle East, R. James Woolsey, former CIA director and an adviser to Changing World Technologies, says, "This technology offers a beginning of a way away from this."
But first things first. Today, here at the plant at Philadelphia's Naval Business Center, the experimental feedstock is turkey processing-plant waste: feathers, bones, skin, blood, fat, guts. A forklift dumps 1,400 pounds of the nasty stuff into the machine's first stage, a 350-horsepower grinder that masticates it into gray brown slurry. From there it flows into a series of tanks and pipes, which hum and hiss as they heat, digest, and break down the mixture. Two hours later, a white-jacketed technician turns a spigot. Out pours a honey-colored fluid, steaming a bit in the cold warehouse as it fills a glass beaker.
It really is a lovely oil.
"The longest carbon chains are C-18 or so," says Appel, admiring the liquid. "That's a very light oil. It is essentially the same as a mix of half fuel oil, half gasoline."
Private investors, who have chipped in $40 million to develop the process, aren't the only ones who are impressed. The federal government has granted more than $12 million to push the work along. "We will be able to make oil for $8 to $12 a barrel," says Paul Baskis, the inventor of the process. "We are going to be able to switch to a carbohydrate economy."



Making oil and gas from hydrocarbon-based waste is a trick that Earth mastered long ago. Most crude oil comes from one-celled plants and animals that die, settle to ocean floors, decompose, and are mashed by sliding tectonic plates, a process geologists call subduction. Under pressure and heat, the dead creatures' long chains of hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon-bearing molecules, known as polymers, decompose into short-chain petroleum hydrocarbons. However, Earth takes its own sweet time doing this—generally thousands or millions of years—because subterranean heat and pressure changes are chaotic. Thermal depolymerization machines turbocharge the process by precisely raising heat and pressure to levels that break the feedstock's long molecular bonds.
Many scientists have tried to convert organic solids to liquid fuel using waste products before, but their efforts have been notoriously inefficient. "The problem with most of these methods was that they tried to do the transformation in one step—superheat the material to drive off the water and simultaneously break down the molecules," says Appel. That leads to profligate energy use and makes it possible for hazardous substances to pollute the finished product. Very wet waste—and much of the world's waste is wet—is particularly difficult to process efficiently because driving off the water requires so much energy. Usually, the Btu content in the resulting oil or gas barely exceeds the amount needed to make the stuff.
That's the challenge that Baskis, a microbiologist and inventor who lives in Rantoul, Illinois, confronted in the late 1980s. He says he "had a flash" of insight about how to improve the basic ideas behind another inventor's waste-reforming process. "The prototype I saw produced a heavy, burned oil," recalls Baskis. "I drew up an improvement and filed the first patents." He spent the early 1990s wooing investors and, in 1996, met Appel, a former commodities trader. "I saw what this could be and took over the patents," says Appel, who formed a partnership with the Gas Technology Institute and had a demonstration plant up and running by 1999.
Thermal depolymerization, Appel says, has proved to be 85 percent energy efficient for complex feedstocks, such as turkey offal: "That means for every 100 Btus in the feedstock, we use only 15 Btus to run the process." He contends the efficiency is even better for relatively dry raw materials, such as plastics.


So how does it work? In the cold Philadelphia warehouse, Appel waves a long arm at the apparatus, which looks surprisingly low tech: a tangle of pressure vessels, pipes, valves, and heat exchangers terminating in storage tanks. It resembles the oil refineries that stretch to the horizon on either side of the New Jersey Turnpike, and in part, that's exactly what it is.
Appel strides to a silver gray pressure tank that is 20 feet long, three feet wide, heavily insulated, and wrapped with electric heating coils. He raps on its side. "The chief difference in our process is that we make water a friend rather than an enemy," he says. "The other processes all tried to drive out water. We drive it in, inside this tank, with heat and pressure. We super-hydrate the material." Thus temperatures and pressures need only be modest, because water helps to convey heat into the feedstock. "We're talking about temperatures of 500 degrees Fahrenheit and pressures of about 600 pounds for most organic material—not at all extreme or energy intensive. And the cooking times are pretty short, usually about 15 minutes."
Once the organic soup is heated and partially depolymerized in the reactor vessel, phase two begins. "We quickly drop the slurry to a lower pressure," says Appel, pointing at a branching series of pipes. The rapid depressurization releases about 90 percent of the slurry's free water. Dehydration via depressurization is far cheaper in terms of energy consumed than is heating and boiling off the water, particularly because no heat is wasted. "We send the flashed-off water back up there," Appel says, pointing to a pipe that leads to the beginning of the process, "to heat the incoming stream."
At this stage, the minerals—in turkey waste, they come mostly from bones—settle out and are shunted to storage tanks. Rich in calcium and magnesium, the dried brown powder "is a perfect balanced fertilizer," Appel says.
The remaining concentrated organic soup gushes into a second-stage reactor similar to the coke ovens used to refine oil into gasoline. "This technology is as old as the hills," says Appel, grinning broadly. The reactor heats the soup to about 900 degrees Fahrenheit to further break apart long molecular chains. Next, in vertical distillation columns, hot vapor flows up, condenses, and flows out from different levels: gases from the top of the column, light oils from the upper middle, heavier oils from the middle, water from the lower middle, and powdered carbon—used to manufacture tires, filters, and printer toners—from the bottom. "Gas is expensive to transport, so we use it on-site in the plant to heat the process," Appel says. The oil, minerals, and carbon are sold to the highest bidders.



Depending on the feedstock and the cooking and coking times, the process can be tweaked to make other specialty chemicals that may be even more profitable than oil. Turkey offal, for example, can be used to produce fatty acids for soap, tires, paints, and lubricants. Polyvinyl chloride, or PVC—the stuff of house siding, wallpapers, and plastic pipes—yields hydrochloric acid, a relatively benign and industrially valuable chemical used to make cleaners and solvents. "That's what's so great about making water a friend," says Appel. "The hydrogen in water combines with the chlorine in PVC to make it safe. If you burn PVC , you get dioxin—very toxic."
Brian Appel, CEO of Changing World Technologies, strolls through a thermal depolymerization plant in Philadelphia. Experiments at the pilot facility revealed that the process is scalable—plants can sprawl over acres and handle 4,000 tons of waste a day or be "small enough to go on the back of a flatbed truck" and handle just one ton daily, says Appel.

The technicians here have spent three years feeding different kinds of waste into their machinery to formulate recipes. In a little trailer next to the plant, Appel picks up a handful of one-gallon plastic bags sent by a potential customer in Japan. The first is full of ground-up appliances, each piece no larger than a pea. "Put a computer and a refrigerator into a grinder, and that's what you get," he says, shaking the bag. "It's PVC, wood, fiberglass, metal, just a mess of different things. This process handles mixed waste beautifully." Next to the ground-up appliances is a plastic bucket of municipal sewage. Appel pops the lid and instantly regrets it. "Whew," he says. "That is nasty."
Experimentation revealed that different waste streams require different cooking and coking times and yield different finished products. "It's a two-step process, and you do more in step one or step two depending on what you are processing," Terry Adams says. "With the turkey guts, you do the lion's share in the first stage. With mixed plastics, most of the breakdown happens in the second stage." The oil-to-mineral ratios vary too. Plastic bottles, for example, yield copious amounts of oil, while tires yield more minerals and other solids. So far, says Adams, "nothing hazardous comes out from any feedstock we try."
"The only thing this process can't handle is nuclear waste," Appel says. "If it contains carbon, we can do it." à



This Philadelphia pilot plant can handle only seven tons of waste a day, but 1,054 miles to the west, in Carthage, Missouri, about 100 yards from one of ConAgra Foods' massive Butterball Turkey plants, sits the company's first commercial-scale thermal depolymerization plant. The $20 million facility, scheduled to go online any day, is expected to digest more than 200 tons of turkey-processing waste every 24 hours.

The north side of Carthage smells like Thanksgiving all the time. At the Butterball plant, workers slaughter, pluck, parcook, and package 30,000 turkeys each workday, filling the air with the distinctive tang of boiling bird. A factory tour reveals the grisly realities of large-scale poultry processing. Inside, an endless chain of hanging carcasses clanks past knife-wielding laborers who slash away. Outside, a tanker truck idles, full to the top with fresh turkey blood. For many years, ConAgra Foods has trucked the plant's waste—feathers, organs, and other nonusable parts—to a rendering facility where it was ground and dried to make animal feed, fertilizer, and other chemical products. But bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, can spread among cattle from recycled feed, and although no similar disease has been found in poultry, regulators are becoming skittish about feeding animals to animals. In Europe the practice is illegal for all livestock. Since 1997, the United States has prohibited the feeding of most recycled animal waste to cattle. Ultimately, the specter of European-style mad-cow regulations may kick-start the acceptance of thermal depolymerization. "In Europe, there are mountains of bones piling up," says Alf Andreassen. "When recycling waste into feed stops in this country, it will change everything."
Because depolymerization takes apart materials at the molecular level, Appel says, it is "the perfect process for destroying pathogens." On a wet afternoon in Carthage, he smiles at the new plant—an artless assemblage of gray and dun-colored buildings—as if it were his favorite child. "This plant will make 10 tons of gas per day, which will go back into the system to make heat to power the system," he says. "It will make 21,000 gallons of water, which will be clean enough to discharge into a municipal sewage system. Pathological vectors will be completely gone. It will make 11 tons of minerals and 600 barrels of oil, high-quality stuff, the same specs as a number two heating oil." He shakes his head almost as if he can't believe it. "It's amazing. The Environmental Protection Agency doesn't even consider us waste handlers. We are actually manufacturers—that's what our permit says. This process changes the whole industrial equation. Waste goes from a cost to a profit."


He watches as burly men in coveralls weld and grind the complex loops of piping. A group of 15 investors and corporate advisers, including Howard Buffett, son of billionaire investor Warren Buffett, stroll among the sparks and hissing torches, listening to a tour led by plant manager Don Sanders. A veteran of the refinery business, Sanders emphasizes that once the pressurized water is flashed off, "the process is similar to oil refining. The equipment, the procedures, the safety factors, the maintenance—it's all proven technology."
And it will be profitable, promises Appel. "We've done so much testing in Philadelphia, we already know the costs," he says. "This is our first-out plant, and we estimate we'll make oil at $15 a barrel. In three to five years, we'll drop that to $10, the same as a medium-size oil exploration and production company. And it will get cheaper from there."
"We've got a lot of confidence in this," Buffett says. "I represent ConAgra's investment. We wouldn't be doing this if we didn't anticipate success." Buffett isn't alone. Appel has lined up federal grant money to help build demonstration plants to process chicken offal and manure in Alabama and crop residuals and grease in Nevada. Also in the works are plants to process turkey waste and manure in Colorado and pork and cheese waste in Italy. He says the first generation of depolymerization centers will be up and running in 2005. By then it should be clear whether the technology is as miraculous as its backers claim.



EUREKA:

Chemistry, not alchemy, turns (A) turkey offal—guts, skin, bones, fat, blood, and feathers—into a variety of useful products. After the first-stage heat-and-pressure reaction, fats, proteins, and carbohydrates break down into (B) carboxylic oil, which is composed of fatty acids, carbohydrates, and amino acids. The second-stage reaction strips off the fatty acids' carboxyl group (a carbon atom, two oxygen atoms, and a hydrogen atom) and breaks the remaining hydrocarbon chains into smaller fragments, yielding (C) a light oil. This oil can be used as is, or further distilled (using a larger version of the bench-top distiller in the background) into lighter fuels such as (D) naphtha, (E) gasoline, and (F) kerosene. The process also yields (G) fertilizer-grade minerals derived mostly from bones and (H) industrially useful carbon black.


Feedstock is funneled into a grinder and mixed with water to create a slurry that is pumped into the first-stage reactor, where heat and pressure partially break apart long molecular chains. The resulting organic soup flows into a flash vessel where pressure drops dramatically, liberating some of the water, which returns back upstream to preheat the flow into the first-stage reactor. In the second-stage reactor, the remaining organic material is subjected to more intense heat, continuing the breakup of molecular chains. The resulting hot vapor then goes into vertical distillation tanks, which separate it into gases, light oils, heavy oils, water, and solid carbon. The gases are burned on-site to make heat to power the process, and the water, which is pathogen free, goes to a municipal waste plant. The oils and carbon are deposited in storage tanks, ready for sale.
— Brad Lemley

A Boon to Oil and Coal Companies

One might expect fossil-fuel companies to fight thermal depolymerization. If the process can make oil out of waste, why would anyone bother to get it out of the ground? But switching to an energy economy based entirely on reformed waste will be a long process, requiring the construction of thousands of thermal depolymerization plants. In the meantime, thermal depolymerization can make the petroleum industry itself cleaner and more profitable, says John Riordan, president and CEO of the Gas Technology Institute, an industry research organization. Experiments at the Philadelphia thermal depolymerization plant have converted heavy crude oil, shale, and tar sands into light oils, gases, and graphite-type carbon. "When you refine petroleum, you end up with a heavy solid-waste product that's a big problem," Riordan says. "This technology will convert these waste materials into natural gas, oil, and carbon. It will fit right into the existing infrastructure."



Appel says a modified version of thermal depolymerization could be used to inject steam into underground tar-sand deposits and then refine them into light oils at the surface, making this abundant, difficult-to-access resource far more available. But the coal industry may become thermal depolymerization's biggest fossil-fuel beneficiary. "We can clean up coal dramatically," says Appel. So far, experiments show the process can extract sulfur, mercury, naphtha, and olefins—all salable commodities—from coal, making it burn hotter and cleaner. Pretreating with thermal depolymerization also makes coal more friable, so less energy is needed to crush it before combustion in electricity-generating plants.
— B.L.


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Can Thermal Depolymerization Slow Global Warming?

If the thermal depolymerization process WORKS AS Claimed, it will clean up waste and generate new sources of energy. But its backers contend it could also stem global warming, which sounds iffy. After all, burning oil creates global warming, doesn't it?
Carbon is the major chemical constituent of most organic matter—plants take it in; animals eat plants, die, and decompose; and plants take it back in, ad infinitum. Since the industrial revolution, human beings burning fossil fuels have boosted concentrations of atmospheric carbon more than 30 percent, disrupting the ancient cycle. According to global-warming theory, as carbon in the form of carbon dioxide accumulates in the atmosphere, it traps solar radiation, which warms the atmosphere—and, some say, disrupts the planet's ecosystems.
But if there were a global shift to thermal depolymerization technologies, belowground carbon would remain there. The accoutrements of the civilized world—domestic animals and plants, buildings, artificial objects of all kinds—would then be regarded as temporary carbon sinks. At the end of their useful lives, they would be converted in thermal depolymerization machines into short-chain fuels, fertilizers, and industrial raw materials, ready for plants or people to convert them back into long chains again. So the only carbon used would be that which already existed above the surface; it could no longer dangerously accumulate in the atmosphere. "Suddenly, the whole built world just becomes a temporary carbon sink," says Paul Baskis, inventor of the thermal depolymerization process. "We would be honoring the balance of nature."
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To learn more about the thermal depolymerization process, visit Changing World Technologies' Web site: www.changingworldtech.com.

A primer on the natural carbon cycle can be found at www.whrc.org/science/carbon/carbon.htm.
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:04 PM
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21. Yay!! As soon as it's perfected I'm going to Chevrolet for my Suburban...
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comerpatrick Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:15 PM
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23. A Core question / problem
Let's assume that the process works and works well. You can turn turkey-parts into oil.

However, I have doubts that this process will end up being a cure-all for the environment, upcoming oil crisis, or trash.

The key missing ingredient? Energy In the process vs. Energy Out. The Energy In is all the oil, electricity, and turkey-parts (agricultural energy i.e. more oil.) Energy Out is the amount of usable energy transformed into resuable oil.

My gut call is that the process is a net energy sink. Meaning that once energy prices begin to reflect shrinking fossil fuel production. This process becomes too expensive.

Thoughts?
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:37 PM
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24. It's not perpetual motion by any means
But what it really does is add quite a bit of efficiency into these processes.

It's not an energy sink, it's a self fueling process.

First of all, we have a lot of garbage that we have produced over the years. All of that garbage is potential energy that is currently going to waste.
Secondly, this process can help us over one of the biggest recycling stumbling blocks: plastics. Currently, we recycle very little plastic, and the processes is very inefficient.
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comerpatrick Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:54 PM
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25. Self-fueling?
I think a cold hard analysis of how much energy it takes to convert "trash" into resuable energy is essential to determine the value of this technology. If it takes two barrels of oil to transform enought trash into one barrel of oil, then there is a net loss of energy.

The process must transform more energy than it uses to be valuable.

How is it self-fueling?
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:56 PM
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26. It transforms more energy than it uses :)
Did you get a chance to read the article I posted?
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 06:12 PM
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29. Some excerpts:
The remaining concentrated organic soup gushes into a second-stage reactor similar to the coke ovens used to refine oil into gasoline. "This technology is as old as the hills," says Appel, grinning broadly. The reactor heats the soup to about 900 degrees Fahrenheit to further break apart long molecular chains. Next, in vertical distillation columns, hot vapor flows up, condenses, and flows out from different levels: gases from the top of the column, light oils from the upper middle, heavier oils from the middle, water from the lower middle, and powdered carbon—used to manufacture tires, filters, and printer toners—from the bottom. "Gas is expensive to transport, so we use it on-site in the plant to heat the process," Appel says. The oil, minerals, and carbon are sold to the highest bidders.

He watches as burly men in coveralls weld and grind the complex loops of piping. A group of 15 investors and corporate advisers, including Howard Buffett, son of billionaire investor Warren Buffett, stroll among the sparks and hissing torches, listening to a tour led by plant manager Don Sanders. A veteran of the refinery business, Sanders emphasizes that once the pressurized water is flashed off, "the process is similar to oil refining. The equipment, the procedures, the safety factors, the maintenance—it's all proven technology."
And it will be profitable, promises Appel. "We've done so much testing in Philadelphia, we already know the costs," he says. "This is our first-out plant, and we estimate we'll make oil at $15 a barrel. In three to five years, we'll drop that to $10, the same as a medium-size oil exploration and production company. And it will get cheaper from there."
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 06:57 PM
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34. well, look at it this way. if you have 3 lbs of tire rubber and you have
to burn 2 lbs of it to transform just one pound of it to something useful, you still have something useful in the end, even though you've had to use up part of the raw materials to get it.

converting crude oil into gasoline isn't exactly a 100% efficient process either. much of it is lost in the conversion as well.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 06:05 PM
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28. donate your body to exxon
all those bodies moldering in graveyards are an untapped resource.

GET ON IT AMERICA!
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 06:47 PM
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32. "SOYLENT CRUDE IS PEOPLE"
Sorry, couldn't hold back.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 06:46 PM
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31. You mean they finally discovered a good use for bushco's policy papers
speeches and other stuff hidden in those archives that are all locked away?!
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 07:12 PM
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35. LOL!
Good one :)
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 07:19 PM
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36. How long before they turn excrement
into gold ?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 07:21 PM
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37. Millions of years, pressure, solar power
created the oil reserves. Recycling waste materials is commendible, but renewable sources is all we are going to have left for future generations, lest it take millions more years before we are all reduced to crude oil.
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 08:50 PM
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38. That's true
But this process can make the change much easier, if we beging implementing it as quickly as possible.
The only worry is if people are so shortsighted that they simply use it to prolong the length of time that we remain dependent on fossil fuels and continue our relative stagnation in regards to renewables.
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:40 PM
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40. Kick
Bump
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