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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 11:41 AM
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The Bolivian government is now hosting WikiLeaks Cablegate documents on its official servers
Source: http://wikileaks.vicepresidencia.gob.bo/

2010-12-08: Cablegate: News from the infowar front, part 3
Submitted by admin on Wed, 12/08/2010 - 10:51
http://wlcentral.org/

The Bolivian government is now hosting WikiLeaks Cablegate documents on its official servers: http://wikileaks.vicepresidencia.gob.bo/, under the banner of the Vice President's office and the office of the President of the Legislative Assembly. The statement reads:

"The Vice President of the State of Bolivia and the President of the Plurinational Legislative Assembly, seeking to democratize access to information available to the public, are making available the documents of the Department of State of the United States, published by Wikileaks, which refer to Bolivia. All of them are available in their original language (English) and those that contain information relevant to the country, beyond simple references are translated into Castilian or being in the process of being translated, a situation in which we ask for your patience.

The search engine offers search alternatives according to the relevance of the document, its creation date, language of the source institution, etc. We firmly believe that this site will expand access to this vital information and facilitate the work of many citizens."

In a reversal from the Australian government's previous pronouncements on Julian Assange, Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd said today in a declaration to Reuters that "Mr Assange is not himself responsible for the unauthorised release of 250,000 documents from the US diplomatic communications network. The Americans are responsible for that." He added that the leaks raised questions about the "adequacy" of US data security, and that "Maybe 2 million or so people having access to this stuff is a bit of a problem," referring to the number of personnel who had access to the SIPRNET network.

The Independent reports that "Informal discussions have already taken place between US and Swedish officials over the possibility of the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange being delivered into American custody, according to diplomatic sources." Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt has denied the report to AFP.

In the United States, Senator Joe Lieberman raised the prospect of prosecuting media organizations such as The New York Times for publishing WikiLeaks information, in a interview with Fox News. The New York Times reports: “I certainly believe that WikiLeaks has violated the Espionage Act, but then what about the news organizations — including The Times — that accepted it and distributed it?” Mr. Lieberman said, adding: “To me, The New York Times has committed at least an act of bad citizenship, and whether they have committed a crime, I think that bears a very intensive inquiry by the Justice Department.”

Much of the media reported with ironic amusement on the State Department's announcement of World Press Freedom Day: "Julian Assange, WikiLeaks founder, in jail; World Press Freedom Day announced," is the title of a Washington Post report. Marissa Bell writes: "The same day that Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) said the New York Times and WikiLeaks may be investigated for espionage, the State Department announced it would be hosting the World Press Freedom Day in 2011."

In the meantime, various media outlets are reporting on the Swedish case allegations against Julian Assange and the background on the case, including a special report from Reuters, The Guardian and The Daily Mail. Their conclusions are the same ones that we came to months ago: "The more one learns about the case, the more one feels that, unlike the bell in Enkoping, the allegations simply don’t ring true," writes The Daily Mail.

Anonymous group's Operation Payback has in the meantime taken down the websites of PostFinance, Senator Joe Lieberman's office, the Swedish prosecution office, and Mastercard. The group has vowed to "fire at anyone or anything that tries to censor WikiLeaks, including multi-billion dollar companies." Panda Labs has a good running update of the attacks so far.

In TIME's Person of the Year poll, Julian Assange is in first place, with a 92% rating and 315,403 votes as of the time of this writing, eleven percentage points and nearly 100,000 votes above the second-place holder, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

TIME also carries an article by Massimo Calabresi, titled Why WikiLeaks Is Winning Its Info War: "There was a time when WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's voluntary surrender to the British authorities might have put an end to the crisis created by the Internet provocateur's dissemination of tens of thousands of state secrets. But in the upside-down world of transnational crowdsourcing unleashed by WikiLeaks, in which thousands of activists around the globe can be rallied to defend and extend its work, Assange's arrest is a win, not a loss, for his organization."

"The asymmetrical info war initiated by the WikiLeaks dump of diplomatic cables is all about spectacle — the more Assange is set up by world powers, the more powerful his own movement becomes. "The field of battle is WikiLeaks," wrote John Perry Barlow, a former Grateful Dead lyricist and founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the First Amendment advocacy group, in a message to his followers. "You are the troops." WikiLeaks admiringly forwarded the post to 300,000 of its own followers. As the U.S. and other governments attempted to close down WikiLeaks over the past week, those "troops" have fought back. And so far, it doesn't look like much of a contest."



Read more: http://wlcentral.org/



Wow, people of the world is standing up against the USA....
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 11:41 AM
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1. YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 11:54 AM
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2. Awesome stuff
Check it out
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 11:59 AM
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3. Evo!
:applause:
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:52 PM
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18. Evo!
No HS diploma, indigenous man, balanced his countriy's budget very quickly after being elected president. He was on democracy now explaining how he did it. He said a lot of politicians saw govt. as a business.Guess the elected officials were there to make money. It seems WE have some of that going on as well. Since so many of our politicians go to DC poor or average and leave multi millionaires.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:14 PM
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23. He really is quite wonderful
He takes on the multi-national corps that have been raping & pillaging their land. He's soft-spoken and gentle yet fights like hell for Bolivia and her people. Viva Evo!
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:14 PM
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24. Great interview with Evo in Stone's "South of the Border"
including him showing Stone how to eat coca leaves...

cheerio!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:42 AM
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45. Hey but at least our politicians have themselves those fancy pants degrees.
Like from Yale And University of Chicago.

So Evo! balanced his country's budget.

Big deal. Obama will have our budget balanced just as soon as His Buddies In the Establishment agree to have the wars stop, the tax breaks for the rich go away, and most importantly -- whem the day comes that there is a return of every penny of the elven trillion bucks that Obama's very approved of "helpers" Bernanke and Geithner gave away to Wall Street.

Why, that should be rather soon now, I'd expect.

:sarcasm:.



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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:12 AM
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69. Evo Lution!!!! nt
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:00 PM
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4. See what happens when you attempt to destabilize someone elses country.
Payback is a motherf*cker.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:28 PM
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9. The State Department was caught recruiting PEACE CORPS WORKERS
to spy in Bolivia. Evo kicked out our ambassador for a time. Then, cablegate produced more confirmation of the PC volunteers' stories.

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Ruperto31 Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:45 PM
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27. Jeebus. Is there anything the USG won't do?
Poisoning the Peace Corps! Next comes poisoning Mom and apple pie.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:08 PM
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29. Apparently, not any more.

Bolivia Accuses U.S. Diplomat of Spying in Peace Corps Case
By Bill Faries - February 13, 2008 19:28 EST

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aWvDiUnp.4WY
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:41 AM
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44. In the 1960's, Carl Bernstein exposed 400 CIA "journalists" infiltrating ....
MSM --

Congress never responded to banning the practice --

A few years later -- there 1,200 of CIA journalists --

what would it possibly be now?

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:13 AM
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70. All of 'em. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:42 AM
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46. dupe
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 12:43 AM by defendandprotect
Congress never responded to banning the practice --

A few years later -- there 1,200 of CIA journalists --

what would it possibly be now?

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:29 AM
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74. they kicked out the DEA as well
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 11:32 AM by pitohui
i don't know if the DEA is back there yet, they may be permanently "un"invited and i for one wouldn't blame bolivia a bit

the peace corps worker stuff i wasn't aware of but why does it not surprise me? sigh...

i can't even figure out what a "spy" would want to find out there, well, other than drug industry stuff i guess

i mean there's political shit going on, but it seems to be some kind of dispute not understandable or meaningful to an outsider, some of the people want bolivia to split into two countries apparently (as if it ain't poor enough) and some don't, but what it's all about or why or how it would impact america ( can't see how it would)...doesn't seem worth sending spies to find out, frankly, just ask some locals if you really want to know about politics
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:02 PM
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5. Only the beginning...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:31 PM
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31. Ha! V-ery great comment! nt
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:16 AM
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41. I love those masks. I wonder where these people came from? THey just sort
of appeared. I am grateful actually.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:59 AM
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53. You don't want to know. Really, you don't.
The places Anonymous lurks in makes DU look like a tea party. Child porn is posted for amusement, racism is a running joke, and when they target somebody, they *will* attack everything about the target, regardless of age, culpability, or involvement.

Fun crowd, rough crowd, brutal crowd.... all true. They're the brownshirts of internet freedom.


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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 07:03 AM
Response to Reply #53
56. Sounds like a description of the DLC or Young Republicans
They're both pretty much the same in terms of worldview.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:15 PM
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79. Sounds serious.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #41
62. We need some Julian Assange masks.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:02 PM
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6. Yay for Bolivia
And their response to any US criticism needs to be exactly what the US gov told the Chinese government (written in a released cable) when China asked the US gov to stop Google images from showing images of sensitive/secure sites in China..

IT IS A PRIVATE COMPANY AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT THE (US) GOVERNMENT CAN DO ABOUT IT.

Yes, that is what the US gov that has gone after all of the PRIVATE US companies in the last few weeks told the Chinese..sorry, it is a private company and we can't do anything.









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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:51 PM
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17. Distain for hypocrisy
is something that most Americans understand.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:13 PM
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7. Heads up for another coup. This is very inconvenient for the US.
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:19 PM
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8. The longer this fiasco goes on
more people will come to the belief that this is purely about government protecting and covering up for its own ineptness and corruption and that of others, and has little to do with spying. Until we have a 100% honest and transparent government we have a need for WikiLeaks whistleblowers.

I have always respected the role of http://www.eff.org/ too.

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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:31 PM
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10. The revolution will not be televised.
It will be on the internet.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:30 PM
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35. You got that one right. They are stirring an angry hornets' nest.
Stir on.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:50 AM
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61. Lucky 13
I have been thinking about that too. Hadn't thought of "It will be on the internet". Yep. I agree. It is happening now.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:35 PM
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11. hmm... (smirk).. nt
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:56 PM
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12. This is great news and CONGRATS to Bolivia;
However, me thinks that there is now an increased risk of a 'Populist' coup happening there.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:57 PM
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13. GO BOLIVIA!!!!! nt
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:01 PM
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14. Hoping there will be beefed-up protection for the Bolivian President Evo Morales, and V.P.
Álvaro García Linera, both worthy, highly respected, seasoned by experience public servants.

The U.S. Government under Bush started trying to harm Evo Morales' future BEFORE he was even elected, by going behind the back of the sitting Bolivian President to his highest military officers, and enlisting their services in spiriting away Bolivia's own defensive missiles without anyone else's knowledge.

It was their intention for Morales to take office with a much diminished defense capability, as testified by one of the Bolivian officers.

From that time, earlier post:
Mika (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-28-05 11:49 AM
Original message
New Bolivian President Vows to Take Action Against US (missing missiles)

President Evo Morales, according to a news story in the Washington Times, leveled allegations at the United States that its advisors secretly removed Chinese-made anti-aircraft missiles from Bolivia. US military and law enforcement personnel serve as advisors to the Bolivians in their drug control activities and counterterrorism training.

~
Bolivia's new President is leader of the Movement to Socialism (MAS). He was quoted in press reports this week as saying he would evict US military advisers from Bolivia and punish those responsible for the removal from the country this year of 28 HN-SA hand-held surface-to-air missiles (SAM).

The missiles are similar to the U.S. "Stinger" missiles used by Afghan insurgents with devastating effectiveness against low-flying Russian aircraft during the Russian invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s.

"I will press for a full investigation to establish responsibilities. We cannot tolerate international intervention," Mr. Morales was quoted as saying of the missile incident.

-
In a statement to the Bolivian legislature last week, army chief General Marcelo Antezana admitted the missiles had been flown out of the country in June but he denied having taken any part in the operation.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2009873

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LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) - Presidential candidate Evo Morales on Wednesday criticized Bolivia's leader for sending 30 surface-to-air missiles to the United States for deactivation.

The debate over the missiles began last month when Morales said that President Eduardo Rodriguez had given up the shoulder-launched missiles. Morales maintains that Bolivia needs those missiles because it has no other air defense missiles and lacks a military radar system.

---
The president "told me the missiles weren't in the United States, that they had been deactivated and were in Bolivia. I think the president lied to me,'' Morales told reporters.

He said he would start a legal process to have Rodriguez and Mendez charged with treason. "You can't permit this kind of treachery toward the country,'' Morales said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1945594

~~~~~

Bolivia hands over its missiles to the United States
16 January 2006
From
Paris, France

Evo Morales, “cocalero” and MAS (Movement towards Socialism) leader, and presidential candidate for elections in Bolivia scheduled for December 18, recently stated that 28 MHN-5 surface-to-air missiles made in China had disappeared. The missiles were in Bolivian arsenals and handed over to the United States for “deactivation”.

Morales indicated he was planning to file a lawsuit against the current acting president Eduardo Rodríguez and his minister of defense Gonzalo Méndez Gutiérrez, for “betraying the homeland” (a popular uprising to overthrow the former president Carlos Mesa from power in June 2005). In order to justify why the Chinese missiles were sent to the United States, the Bolivian authorities mentioned that such equipment was obsolete, and their handling was dangerous. It seems, though, that they had been acquired in China in the early 90’s and were in perfect condition.

Furthermore, they were the only missiles that the Bolivian army had, and whose lack of ordnance is chronic. In that case, why giving those weapons away?

Used to different forms of interference in Latin America, in 2004, the United States had already tried unsuccessfully to convince the former president Carlos Mesa to hand over such armaments, said the former Foreign Minister Juan Ignacio Siles. The imminent presidential decision and fear over Evo Morales’ victory are obviously the factors that precipitated the events.

The Bolivian “missile crisis” (the author has used the same term as in French to make reference to the missile crisis, in October 1962, between the United States and the Soviet Union, regarding the installation of intermediate-range Soviet missiles in Cuba. Note of the Translator) clearly illustrates the U.S. intentions, which might be planning to launch a military operation against Bolivia, with the excuse of any “threat to democracy”, and then recover something from their lost ground in Latin America over the past few years. If this is not the case, why such concern then about roughly 30 missiles that pose no threat to anyone?

http://www.voltairenet.org/article133814.html

~~~~~

A much more recent, and very strange event concerning missiles and Evo Morales:

Was Bolivian missile mishap really attempted coup d'etat?

Submitted by WW4 Report on Sun, 07/11/2010 - 21:06. Bolivian Defense Minister Rubén Saavedra has ordered an investigation of a July 7 incident in which a T-33 military jet fired a missile from its base in El Alto that passed within a meter of the tail of the official presidential plane, a Falcón 900 EX Easy recently purchased from France. The missile hit a nearby house, causing no casualties. The government said it would pay for the damage to the house. Both planes were apparently on the ground when the incident occurred. President Morales does not appear to have been on board at the time. However, a day earlier his helicopter had to return to Chimoré air base in Cochabamba when it developed engine trouble immediately after taking off. (La Prensa, La Paz, July 8; Prensa Latina, July 7)

http://ww4report.com/node/8830

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x38569
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:06 PM
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15. I remember when I first heard about Bush's suppression of
our free press at the beginning of the Iraq War.

Remember -- reporters had to be "embedded." And no photos could be published of the caskets of the deceased soldiers as they were brought back to the US. Oh, yes, and remember the to-do when the first list of deceased soldiers was scrolled on our TV screens?

Contrast that with the reporting of WWII -- which we won by the way.

Our government hides too much -- because it has too much to hide.

The Teabaggers and we are objecting, each in our own way.

Actually, I think the government should keep some things secret. But I don't think that a lot of the stuff in the Wikileaks warrants any level of secrecy. The government should be more discerning. We should be given good access to a lot more information and suspicion.

AND THE PRESS SHOULD BE REPORTING THIS STUFF.

A little more of the international news please and a little less Lindsay Lohan. Thank you.
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:53 PM
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19. Good point
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 01:56 PM by howaboutme
but if they eliminated the Lindsay Lohan fluff the public might start using that wasted time to do some critical thinking, and that is not in the interests of the establishment. Still the best rant ever and ever more appropriate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:49 PM
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16. We are the best at irony now. America # 1!
"The same day that Joseph Lieberman said that the NY Times and Wikileaks may be investigated for espionage, the State Dept. announced it would be hosting the World Press Freedom Day in 2011.

So much for the propaganda that the journalists are just lazy these days.
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sirthomas66 Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:54 AM
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66. I don't understand your post.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:57 PM
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20. Payback is a Bitch
Good job, Morales!
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:11 PM
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21. •raised fist•!
stand up!
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:21 PM
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83. ++++
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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:13 PM
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22. Good for them!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:17 PM
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25. Viva Morales Y la Revolucion!
:woohoo:
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:27 PM
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26. Yay for Bolivia! Even bigger yay for Kevin Rudd.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 02:48 PM by GliderGuider
His quote shows this whole thing is working as Assange intended:

In a reversal from the Australian government's previous pronouncements on Julian Assange, Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd said today in a declaration to Reuters that "Mr Assange is not himself responsible for the unauthorised release of 250,000 documents from the US diplomatic communications network. The Americans are responsible for that." He added that the leaks raised questions about the "adequacy" of US data security, and that "Maybe 2 million or so people having access to this stuff is a bit of a problem," referring to the number of personnel who had access to the SIPRNET network.

Assange has said from the beginning that his goal was to constrict the secret communications channels within and between governments, to cause the "dark actors playing games" to question their data security and make them fearful that their communications were compromised. It's working!

Nice job, Julian!
:fistbump: :headbang: :yourock: :applause: :patriot: :woohoo:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:30 PM
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30. Hey, GliderGuider, did he really used that phrase-"the dark actors playing games"?
I wonder if he's got something on David Kelly's murder. That was a phrase in Kelly's last email, on the day he died, July 17, 2003. He said, in an email to none other than Judith Miller (Iraq War shill for the NYT--and an old colleague of Kelly's, with whom she wrote the book, "Germs")--that "there are many dark actors playing games." Kelly was referring to HIS whistleblowing to the BBC about how the Blairites had exaggerated the WMD threat in Iraq in the leadup to the war, and the controversy that was raging around Kelly, as the British government tried to shut him up. The next day he was found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances, and his office and computers were searched. It is my suspicion that this murder was connected to the Bush Junta's outing of Valerie Plame, the head of the CIA's WMD counter-proliferation project, which occurred four days before Kelly was murdered. Four days after Kelly was murdered, Novak additionally outed the entire Brewster-Jennings network of Plame's agents/contacts around the world, likely putting many of them at risk of being killed.

If Assange used that phrase, it could have been just a general reference to government secrecy and government crimes. He may have studied the Kelly case, and so that ominous phrase popped into his head. Anyway, I would really like to know if he in fact used it.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:53 PM
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33. No, that was mine :-) I got it from the Kelly case.
I'm quite sure that Assange knows about Kelly, everyone who is plugged into this shit does. I became a fanatic about that case, and I used the phrase here as code to indicate that I think the same forces are at work.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:34 AM
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58. I want to see what Assange has on that case.
> I became a fanatic about that case, ...
> I think the same forces are at work.

I agree with both of the above.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:22 AM
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71. I'd love to see the truth come to light on the Kelly case in a way that can't be denied,
and I know I'm not alone. I wonder if Wikileaks has any inside information in the pipeline about to be released. I want to see those "dark actors" pay for that crime, and all the rest of their crimes against humanity.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 02:53 PM
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28. There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world: an idea whose time has come.
PB
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:40 PM
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32. That is a great response. The US should do the same. Let it out.
Air it out.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:27 AM
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73. i agree, the usa SHOULD do the same
evo has an offbeat sense of humor, and i really have to hand it to him this time

hosting wikileaks, if only the "bolivia" information, is a pretty deft way to handle it -- not something i would have thought of

the usa should try be less of a blowhard about this whole mess and more of a sense of humor too, hell, we all know such things as "russia is a mafia state," just own it, claim it, and laugh it off as something all intelligent people do or should know -- a lot more attractive than this prosecution that just makes a martyr of a guy trying to shine some light...if the usa just shrugged and hosted the whole mess, it would take most of the air out of the "scandal" if you ask me

bolivia gets it, why can't the usa? the toothpaste is not going back into the tube, might as well have some fun w. it
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:23 PM
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34. Stop Children What's that Sound. Thank you for standing up and saying NO
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 09:34 PM by Catherina


Rock on people of the world, rock on.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:02 PM
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36. good for them
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:39 PM
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37. Viva Bolivia!
Muy bien!
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 11:05 PM
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38. Excellent!
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 11:05 PM by Luminous Animal
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 11:19 PM
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39. Go Evo!
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:14 AM
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40. Our Country has done some very bad things. Not sure it is all
of the USA being scrutinized though. It is many people being scrutinized with us as the hub.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:34 AM
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42. Hooray for Bolivia!
:party: Take note US Government and Obama admin THIS is what transparency looks like!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:39 AM
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43. Thank you, Bolivia ..... FREE JULIAN ASSANGE -- !!!
Down with US secrecy, treachery, wars and torture!!

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:50 AM
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47. Bolivia sounds grumpy
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 01:07 AM
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49. People get that way when you try to overthrow their legitimagely elected government nt
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 01:07 AM by sudopod
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 01:10 AM
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50. One might expect so
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:58 AM
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48. Wow.
K&R.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:16 AM
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51. Be careful, President Morales
The U.S. government is out of control.

The U.S. government isn't to be feared because of it's character, but because it's out of control and no longer accountable to people.

A President who claims the right to assassinate U.S. citizens without due process won't hesitate to assassinate a foreign leader who gets in the way.

By hosting Wikileaks, you've made yourself a target.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 03:39 PM
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80. Evo was a U.S. target long before Wikileaks, Goldstein1984. He knows that, as do
the people of Bolivia, and most Latin Americans, very well. The U.S. government tried to topple Morales' hugely popular, elected, Leftist government in Sept. 2008, with white separatist riots and murders, funded and organized right out of the U.S. embassy. The DEA and the Peace Corps were also being used for aiding rightwing groups and spying. Morales threw them all out of Bolivia, and got unanimous backing from all South American governments through UNASUR (which had only just been formalized that summer, as their prototype EU-style organization and "common market" ) for ending the white separatist insurrection and holding a peaceful vote on Bolivia's new constitution.

Morales is completely aware of the what the U.S. thinks of "little brown people" getting to vote and exercising their rightful power as the majority in Bolivia--their power to put themselves on equal footing with the rich white minority, to end decades of the most brutal, racist oppression--not unlike 'apartheid' in South Africa--to elect a real representative of the people, who has been in the trenches as a labor leader and in the massive protests over water prices that ousted Bechtel from Bolivia, and who has had the strength, nerve and vision to re-negotiate Bolivia's gas contracts, doubling revenues to Bolivia for social programs (education, pensions for the elderly, health care). Morales also refused to go along with the dirt-bag, undemocratic "climate change" deal in Copenhagen, and rallied others to oppose it. "Climate change" hits the poor hardest of all--as the recent droughts and floods in the Andes countries and other such disasters are showing--and the U.S. made it very clear, in Copenhagen, that the rich, who are responsible for most of the pollutants, are going to do nothing about it.

Whatever is good for the majority in Latin America is opposed--sometimes quite viciously--by the U.S. government, no matter which party appears to be running the White House or Congress. This has been true in the modern era since FDR and it is never more true than now, as Latin Americans have elected Leftist government after Leftist government--in Brazil, Venezuela, Bolivia, Argentina, Ecuador, Uruguay, Paraguay, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, and, until the U.S. supported rightwing coup d'etat, in Honduras. THEY ALL KNOW what is going on, and what has gone on in the past. They have been pulling together to resist U.S. bullying and interference, in the face of all sorts of U.S. government attacks, including various "divide and conquer" tactics. The U.S., for instance, has tried to get Brazil's Lula da Silva to "isolate Chavez" and HE WOULDN'T DO IT. He did the opposite! And so will his successor (da Silva's chief of staff, Dilma Rousseff, recently elected president, who was, herself, personally TORTURED by a U.S. backed dictatorship).

Hosting Wikileaks would not make any of them more of a target than they already are. They are all on the Pentagon's and the CIA's Big Dartboard, on behalf of of U.S. multinational corporate and war profiteer interests. U.S. government interests are exactly the same as those interests--robbing the poor and raping the earth to make the rich MUCH richer.

It's interesting that Morales and his government have NO FEAR of what the cables do or might contain. They know that they can weather slander, dirty tricks, psyops, disinformation, "divide and conquer" bullshit and whatever else U.S. government (corporate/war profiteer) operatives were attempting in these cables, because they know that they are a decent government serving their people and have genuine friends and allies throughout the region. Can our government say the same? Are they a decent government serving our people? And do they have any "friends" in Latin America whom they have not bought and paid for and/or installed? The Obama administration's domestic and foreign policy rest on the shakiest of foundations--those laid by the Bush Junta, i.e., the bold and massive and unprecedented looting of the American people, and, on foreign policy, reliance on the use and threat of military force and other bullying, and in some cases bribing--all at our expense--to lash other countries to our corporate rulers' will. It is no wonder they fear the exposure that Julian Assange and others are subjecting them to. They have a great deal to hide.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 06:04 PM
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86. Bravo for another kick-ass, spot on, impassioned post, Peace Patriot!
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:46 AM
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52. Viva Bolivia nt
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 06:07 AM
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54. 2000+ mirrors now.
While all mirrors help, this isn't exactly defiant.

However, it is interesting, in that a state is willing to host.

We shall see what happens when something embarrassing to Bolivia is released.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 07:39 AM
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91. A flame is reflected by thousands of mirrors, very bright image
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 06:17 AM
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55. Up is down,
back is forward, good is bad. :wtf:

Much of the media reported with ironic amusement on the State Department's announcement of World Press Freedom Day: "Julian Assange, WikiLeaks founder, in jail; World Press Freedom Day announced," is the title of a Washington Post report. Marissa Bell writes: "The same day that Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) said the New York Times and WikiLeaks may be investigated for espionage, the State Department announced it would be hosting the World Press Freedom Day in 2011."
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:25 AM
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57. Wow, that is awesome!
And from a country that really knows what democracy is, having had to fight off the U.S. itself. WE have made too many enemies around the world.


South American countries know for certain, the brutal powers of the U.S. government. We are becoming a pariah.

Going after Assange was a huge mistake. As the article said, the more the Big Powers go after him, the more powerful his organization grows.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:25 AM
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72. That's for damn sure! It's a beautiful thing to watch.
Re "Going after Assange was a huge mistake. As the article said, the more the Big Powers go after him, the more powerful his organization grows."
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 08:44 AM
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59. Viva Morales! Gotta love him.
I hope Chavez follows suit.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:40 AM
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60. Interesting. I wonder how this will play out. Since Bolivia has one of the worlds largest
lithium deposits.

Can't have electric cars without lithium.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:37 AM
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75. one thing hasn't anything to do with the other
bolivia is already mining the lithium and will continue to do so, w. or without wikileaks

i'm pretty sure it's possible for an entire country the size of texas to have more than one "thing" going on at the same time

toyota is already in bolivia, and toyota will do its thing w. or w.out hand holding from the usa
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 04:56 PM
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81. I think you are missing the connection.
sanctions have been enforced over less controversies.

I don't care about Toyota, Ford and GM are now in the hybrid/electric car biz.

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:36 AM
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63. THIS!!!!! Rock on Bolivia.
Waiting for the giant boot of the US corporate Govt to come crashing down on Bolivia.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:38 AM
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64. Queue Lieberman, Palin, Limbaugh, Gingrich calls for Morales' execution in 3..2..1
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sirthomas66 Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 10:48 AM
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65. Go Julian!!! You are winning the battle against Legion!
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:04 AM
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67. Go, Evo! Go., Julian!
:applause:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:11 AM
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68. Wow! Good stuff. Keep Winkidinks alive!
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 11:13 AM by valerief
:applause:
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 11:51 AM
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76. Kick for human dignity n/t
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:02 PM
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77. Good for them!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 12:15 PM
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78. Run Obama run! Run Hillary run!.Run Bush run!Run Cheney run!
LOL!!!
Naomi was right.....The end of the fascist Amerika is closer and closer.
The world will make sure of this.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:29 PM
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84. Before you pee yourself with anticipation
what is going to replace the American system? I dont thing the diplomatic cables released are going to be the end of amerikkkkkkkkaa..

I am taking a rifle, 30,000 rounds, some MRE's and hiding in the basement till my new Chinese overlords arrive.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 06:53 PM
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89. Humanity went on, progress kept happening, history defines itself.
I imagine every nation-state/empire asked themselves in their waning hours of twilight, "what is going to replace the Roman republic/British empire/Soviet state/Kingdom of Sardinia/Holy Roman Empire/Vatican Puppetmasters?"

Humanity went on, progress kept happening, history defines itself. Sometimes it hurt, other time it didn't. But hiding in one's basement with small arms and macaroni and cheese has never stopped history before.

But I'm sure you'll stop it from happening this time... I mean-- you're so very filled with a righteous rage, much like a zealot. How could you not stop it?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 07:18 PM
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90. Not my problem. I can move and earn somewhere else..
the people who cant are the ones are damaged by the collapse.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:45 PM
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85. Fascism won't last forever, will it? It's so dirty it burns up fast, not strong enough to last.
Too many people get burned, tired of the crude stupidity, will turn against it in time, withdraw their support, it will collapse.

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 06:10 PM
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87. I do hope it will collapse sooner than later.
Glen Beck/Sarah Palin/Hannity/Rush Linbaugh is the definition of crude stupidity.
It's been 10 years of this crap and don't know how much longer it'll go on.
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:21 PM
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82. K&R!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 06:40 PM
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88. Viva, Evo!
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:39 PM
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92. kick
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