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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:36 AM
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CNN: More troops to Iraq
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 09:38 AM by IndianaGreen
Now breaking LIVE

On edit:

General Abizaid wants options in the next 48 hours on sending more troops to Iraq.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:37 AM
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1. Escalation worked great in Vietnam too n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:40 AM
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7. They are recognizing they have an insurrection on their hands
General Shinseki said we needed 250,000 troops, and even he did not think we were going to have an insurrection involving the Shias, Sunnis, and the Kurds.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:54 AM
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48. Iraqi "Tet"?
could this past weekend have been the start?
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happyending Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:04 AM
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51. Tet offensive was bigger
I see your point but the Tet offensive was a HUGE miltary
offensive. Current events are more like, oh, the Boston
Massacre that began the Revolutionary war. 

Please pardon the mixed metaphors. ;)

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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:08 AM
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52. point taken
and continuing the Revolutionary War metaphore....

Replace the army's body armor with fancy red jackets and the Shiite's green headbands with colonial tri-corners, and we have a modernized vision of the 1770's.....
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:34 AM
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60. Well, but the Iraqis have no ancestral/cultural ties to the Americans
It's just a genocidal invasion, is all.
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:37 AM
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2. Waist deep in the Big Muddy
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 09:39 AM by latebloomer
The big fool says to push on.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:57 AM
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34. The Busholinis give the orders and get rid of Generals who object.
When the military is deployed by the civilian authority, the only option a conventional force General has is to ask for reinforcements. It's a garrison mentality. There are no military objectives, only 'objectives' which are (purportedly) law enforcement objectives.

The US military is not widely trained or organized for a military occupation where the political forces aren't (a la a Marshall Plan) engaged in pacification. We've got a cabal of warmongers sitting safely in their DC garrisons doing everything they can to taunt, insult, and oppress the populace. We hear how "they aren't ready for self-governance." Bullshit. That merely emphasizes the intention of these "might makes right" hegemonists to have an unending military occupation. Iraq is being occupied by people who don't speak the language, don't worship the same religions, don't have the same skin color, and have almost no cultural affinity whatsoever to the indigenous people; it's a recipe for a humanitarian disaster.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:37 AM
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3. More dead kids .
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:51 PM
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76. Kids? Hell, we'll probably have a retiree call-up before long
...any vet younger than the age of 65 (whether mentally fit or not, but of course) would be eligible.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:38 AM
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4. thanks for the heads up
Abizaid wants options on sending more troops within 48 hours.

Feed the fire.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:39 AM
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5. Have all you 18 and 19 year olds registered for the draft yet?
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 09:39 AM by NNN0LHI
Because we ain't got no more troops to send to Iraq......yet.

Don

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:41 AM
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10. I fear we might see a draft before the year is out
we are reacting to events.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:42 AM
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14. www.bushdraft.com
www.bushdraft.com

and they got my kid, and they are now sending my nephew. My brother is going to get to go thru the same hell we are going thru.
Maybe he will wake up finally.
yes, there are no troops left, and the guard and reservists are stretched so thin there isnt anyone left who can go.
re sendng our kids back when they get home.
god help us.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:46 AM
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20. They are drawing down troops in Europe to send to ..
fight their PNAC agenda. Oh, yeah. There will also be a draft if * wins.
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dawgman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:58 AM
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49. there will be a draft if Kerry wins as well don't kid yourself
He won't leave Iraq and is going to have an even bigger mess to deal with. He will need more troops as well.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:12 AM
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54. unlikely draft if Kerry wins
He will be able to forge a relationship with other countries who were screwed by bush's gang. with the other countries, the need for more troops will be shared. the other countries want peace in the middle east.

george w bush is a blight on humanity. i only hope we can withstand the forces he has unleashed.

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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:26 PM
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72. No difference, so far
Why would other countries send their sons to die for Kerry's imperialism anymore than Bush' imperialism? Because he has better social skills and "lookes french"?

Was there difference between Johnson and Nixon getting other nations to die for them in Vietnam?

I'm not saying Kerry is totally lost hope - but people like Rand Beers and Richard Holbrooke need to be kicked out from his team immediately. Then Kerry gotta puff some of that good weed and do some serious soul searching, hopefully finding again what knew and felt about Vietnam. And give guarantees that if it becomes clear that US can't do any good there and Iraqnam scenario is unavoidable (well thats clear already) he apologises to Iraqi people and world on behalf of US and withdraws US troops. Why don't you go to educate and convince Kerry, preferably BEFORE the election, now when it's too late...
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:12 AM
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55. unlikely draft if Kerry wins
He will be able to forge a relationship with other countries who were screwed by bush's gang. with the other countries, the need for more troops will be shared. the other countries want peace in the middle east.

george w bush is a blight on humanity. i only hope we can withstand the forces he has unleashed.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:56 PM
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79. Simply repeating what you HOPE is true does not MAKE it true.
Kerry is not planning on pulling out.

The Iraqis want NO foreigners of any kind - be they U.S. or U.N. - occupying their country. They'll fight the occupiers, regardless of where they're from. So why would other countries send more troops? Hell, we've got several countries already there who are talking about pulling their troops out!

There is a good chance of a draft even if Kerry wins, and that threat remains as long as we stay in Iraq. Better to accept that as a possibility and plan for it, rather than pretend it's impossible and get caught unaware should it happen.

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:40 AM
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6. A signal of how desperate things
...are becoming.

When you are losing, be afraid that you can lose much more.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:41 AM
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12. My dad always told me when you are in a hole already, quit digging n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:48 AM
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23. My dad always told me if you're gonna be a sucker, be a quiet one
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:49 AM
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62. My dad told me to stay away from the US military death machine.
It saddens me to see teenagers who have no knowledge of Vietnam and all the other anti-democratic invasions by the US military.

Joining a gang is supposed to be looking for a family, not shooting one.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:59 PM
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80. "Joining a gang is supposed to be looking for a family, not shooting one."
WOW. That's a keeper!

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:45 AM
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18. Well, let's see what options Abizaid gets in the next 48 hours
Any increase will have to be approved by Rumsfeld. Where are those troops going to come from? It takes too long to get a Guard unit ready for deployment.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:51 AM
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27. Korea perhaps?
I can see rummy doing that.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:00 AM
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50. Back To The Desert
Looks like the 3rd ID and the 101st are going to taking a trip back to the desert, and the 82nd will soon follow.

I'm willing to bet that if they do send in more troops, the Guard and Reserves will get a quick week long course, and then be deployed.

But I guess General Abizaid didn't get the memo.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:40 AM
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8. Where are those troops going to come from?
Where are those troops going to come from?

We don't have any more.

And what happens when Abizaid doesn't get any new troops?
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:45 AM
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19. theres units in some other parts of the world, like the Sunni triangle
where my oldest sons unit is now. They are on standby for Iraq, and my oldest son is thank GOD out of the Guard. Theres tons of kids the recruiters got here, when they snuck into town and propositioned the kids in our small town with money, (like pimps), and now I know of a number of families whose kids are screwed because around here there are no jobs. Its FUBAR, this country, and now Iraq is FUBAR.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:52 AM
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29. I am afraid that some of the units that just left Iraq
may be among the ones being sent back.

How long can they keep people in whose enlistments are up?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:40 AM
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9. Cripes - Mercury goes Retrograde tomorrow
on April 6. Absolutely the wrong time to be pushing ahead with the vainglorious "BushCo Crusade for Christian Dominionism and Mega-Oil Profits"

"Waist deep in the Big Muddy,
and the Big Chimp says to push on..."
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:46 AM
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21. What does that mean. Mercury goes retrograde?
I'm a Virgo ruled by Mercury. :)
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:01 PM
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64. communications go haywire
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 12:02 PM by crozet4clark
everything gets FUBAR: computers, telephones, fax machines. FWIW my hubby is a mechanical engineer/computer geek and he now dreads Merc retrograde periods, even he notices trend towards really wacky things happening.

Don't make big decisions or sign any contracts during this three week period. (Mercury Retrograde occurs 4 times throughout the year, last one was over Xmas and into January) Ironically, Wes Clark launched his campaign during Mercury Retrograde last September, I knew THAT was a bad omen!!!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:41 AM
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11. I guess the mission isn't accomplished yet.
Fat chance any other country will send more of their troops?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:43 AM
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16. The BBC is using this headline: US offensive to 'pacify' Falluja
To those of us of the Vietnam generation, the word pacification has real bad and painful memories attached to it.

Story here:

US offensive to 'pacify' Falluja

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3599993.stm
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:41 AM
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13. There should be a line with the Fright Wingers
Every bush supporter should be down at the local recruiter office today. NOw I need to go find my "Mission Accomplished," bumper sticker....dammit, where'd I put that?
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:42 AM
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15. Just saw a yellow ribbon bumper sticker on an SUV yesterday...
that said, of course, "Pray for Our Troops". I said to myself "I do indeed pray for our troops, I pray that they come home immediately, and that Bush were no longer their CIF."

I do pray for their safety, but statistics alone work against prayer in these cases. If only prayer were stronger than "the odds".
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:50 AM
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26. Yeah me too but this looks like it is getting REALLY bad
Are they closer to a full blown revolution than we have been told?

Oh criminy this looks bad.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:16 AM
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56. SUV owners with yellow ribbons are Traitors to the Military
and the military hates them.
People who drive SUVs and whine about praying for the troops while supporting Bush arent even worth spitting on. They are traitors, the troops hate them, and they are the lowest of the low.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:44 AM
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17. Just a guess, but I think the "coalition" is falling apart
Look for more troops leaving than arriving very soon.

Don

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:47 AM
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22. when will bushco admit things are totally FUBAR?
:( Where the heck are they going to get more troops?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:51 AM
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28. Are the Boys Scouts of America ready to go?
This is how insane this whole thing is becoming.

Brings the troops home.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:54 AM
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32. and replace the troops with the crusader's for christ
Jesus will protect them, Bush has been wanting a my God vs. your God war...bring the soldiers home and replace them with religious zealots.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:53 AM
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63. Send Congress. Give 'em National Guard pay and health care. n/t
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74dodgedart Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:49 AM
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24. Bush's plan to create jobs...
Dress 'em up in fatigues and send them to Iraq.

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:50 AM
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25. This thing is going down fast
"more troops in 48 hours"???? How the fuck does he think that's gonna happen.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:53 AM
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30. A huge shiver just went up my spine
This looks really bad.

Everyone always wants more troops but his calling for it in this way seems to be quite ominous.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:53 AM
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31. No, Abizaid wants options presented in the next 48 hours
about increasing the number of troops in Iraq.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:19 AM
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42. You're right
Still sounds pretty urgent...actually panicky.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 03:05 PM
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84. 48 hours is light speed for military planning
The situation is far worse and more widespread than they are saying.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:04 AM
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36. Marines were at LAX within hours of Iraq invading Kuwait
Probably blew a couple metal detectors taking their machine guns on 747s.

Really.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:56 AM
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33. a year too late
If they'd sent an adequate occupation force to begin with, maybe, just maybe, they would have had a chance at pulling off this idiotic enterprise. Too fucking late now.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:59 AM
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35. And the Vietnam analogy continues to to be reinforced...
...by this latest escalation.

God help the Iraqi people and God help the coalition troops. :(

And God... please send Shrub another bag of pretzels...
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:04 AM
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37. Good. People have been saying for a year that they didn't have enough
troops there. I don't know what they should do next but at least someone is admitting what we've known all along; that you cannot occupy an unwilling Arab country of 26,000,000 with 120,000 men and women, 40% who are in the NG.

Abizaid has a mission, misguided as we may all think, and he needs to do what's best for the men and women who are over there. I'm concerned with their safety and Abizaid should have done this long ago. Daniel Pipes was on yesterday advocating pulling all U.S. troops back into the desert. Well then what about all those women and children we "liberated?" I don't know the answer because this isn't Vietnam and it isn't Paris.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:06 AM
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38. remember what they did to Gen. Shinseki?
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 10:23 AM by maddezmom
<<When the Army chief of staff, Gen. Eric Shinseki, dared to say publicly that several hundred thousand troops would be needed to occupy Iraq, he was ridiculed by the administration and his career was brought to a close.>>

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/167481_herbert04.html
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:07 PM
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81. "Abizaid has a mission, misguided as we may all think..."
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 02:07 PM by Zhade
It doesn't have anything to do with what we think. It has to do with the fact that the continuing occupation of Iraq is illegal under international law.

The best thing Abizaid could do for the troops would be to help bring them home, not further escalate this madness.

This may not be Viet Nam yet, but it's well on its way.

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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:07 AM
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39. they wouldn't be OUR troops
Edited on Mon Apr-05-04 10:07 AM by Neecy
If Bush* wasn't such an arrogant asshole. This should be a NATO operation, but he won't give up a dime of reconstruction contracts for his campaign contributors so our troops pay in blood for his greed.

We shouldn't be in Iraq to begin with, but now that he's committed his war crime he's compounding it by keeping this occupation American in order to rachet up profits for Bechtel and Halliburton.

Other than NATO, where will these phantom divisions spring from? His imagination?

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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:07 AM
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40. Flashback December 03
Published November 7, 2003

WASHINGTON - Rejecting calls for more U.S. troops in Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld unveiled a rotation plan Thursday that would lower the number there to 105,000 from 130,000 by May.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/11/07/Worldandnation/US_plans_big_troop_ro.shtml

I said then that this was reinforcement.

We threw everyone in at this time.
We have no more.

Expect something to happen to force our hand
elsewhere in the world.

Georgia?
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:17 AM
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41. BTW-GAO says we can't afford any of this

Lawmakers get impatient for estimate on cost of war

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/03/11/Worldandnation/Lawmakers_get_impatie.shtml

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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:39 AM
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47. yes, Georgia could well be the next bush* mess...bush* has already
been stirring up things there...and IMO, the situation could easily explode at any second...once, again, bush* would be asleep at the wheel...
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:40 AM
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61. WW III anyone?
Going into Georgia would be a colossal mistake. Iraq has caused enough problems for us, but getting involved in the Caucuses is a recipe for Armageddon. Besides the terrain that would make any sort of fighting a slog from the get-go, there is the two breakaway areas where there has been perpetual fighting already. But more problematic than that, is the matter of Chechnya being just over the northern border. I'm sure the Russian's would love to see an enormous influx of US troops right onto their doorstep. And with all the problems along the border, it would only be a matter of time before US troops found themselves squaring off with the Russians - and then we're right back in the mid-80s for all those nostalgic buffs running the WH......

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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:39 PM
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73. You're right, it is a recipe for Armageddon
makes one wonder if this is what they really want...
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:51 PM
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75. SDI redux
I suppose by goading the Russian's back into the Cold War, the Neo Cons can get their other dream come true - that all effective missile defense shield. Remember how vital to national security that was on September 10th?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:20 AM
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43. Before, Rumsfeld said, 'No commander's asked for new troops.'
Now one has.

What a nightmare...
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:25 AM
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44. Remember, in BushSpeak (tm) - More troops means
less troops.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:25 AM
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45. Uncle Sam: I want you!
... again and again and again...
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 10:27 AM
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46. "Escalation" - by Art Buchwald
There is a great little essay by Art Buchwald in the book "Up the Potomac and Down the Seine" by that name that showed the insanity of escalation in the Viet Nam war. It may be time to dust that book off and re-read it.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:17 AM
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57. CNN: End of Troops Rotating out...
God this is awful. The Baghdad spokeswoman said they are stoping troops from rotating out now because they need them there with the fresh troops still ariving. My cousin was supposed to be home next week... :cry:
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:31 AM
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58. I'm so sorry
:hug: and a pray your cousin makes it home safe sometime in the near future.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 11:31 AM
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59. Horrible News
Truly sorry for your family and your cousin.

I'm wondering if the GOP is going to be as insistent on counting overseas military votes this time around? Also curious, if you know what your cousin's take on the election is and the tenor of the troops over there? I can't imagine, contrary to faux news, that there is as much reverence for the pResident from those sent/kept in country.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:13 PM
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68. The 1ID will be thankful to hear that news
though it stinks for those hoping to drag their weary asses out of there.
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:01 PM
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65. has anyone else
seen anything new on this? no outlet other than CNN has reported it, and FAUX cited senior Pentagon officials saying the rumor was untrue.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:12 PM
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67. It is only on CNN TV
and a question about it was asked from General Kimmitt during the press conference. Kimmitt's reply: "ask General Abizaid"!
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:14 PM
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69. Richard Shelby, Senator from Alabama called for more troops
yesterday.

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040404/shelby.shtml

"The United States needs to dramatically increase the number of troops in Iraq, he said, but this could be accomplished without the draft and without calling up more reserves. The answer, according to Shelby, is to take troops out of Germany and other countries where they are not needed and move them to Iraq."

Shelby's a well-connected Repug, running for re-election, and he knows what's what. He wouldn't call for more troops unless he already knew it was going to happen.

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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:40 PM
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74. Where does Shelby think the troops who are in Iraq now just came from???
Maybe it is time for Shelby to pick up a gun and a pair of boots.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:41 PM
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78. Hmm..Iran declaring
war on the US?
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:11 PM
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66. He should have close to 250,000 there already
The unit rotations are still in process. Divisions that have rotated in are likely still training with many of those they are replacing.

The Bushies are NOT going to give up their oil prize.

What a corner they have painted themselves (and us) into. Hope to god we don' experience another attack stateside in the meantime.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:14 PM
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70. I found a Link! Lots of other reports also...
There is a roundup of events so far in Iraq also...

http://www.fox11az.com/news/other/stories/KMSB_news_shiite_040504.f68c4c3b.html

<snip>
The confirmation of the existence of al-Sadr's arrest warrant follows violent clashes in Baghdad and Fallujah that prompted U.S. Central Command chief Gen. John Abizaid to ask his senior staff for options for sending more troops to Iraq, sources said Monday.

Shiite unrest in Baghdad and consistent attacks in the Sunni stronghold of Fallujah concern Abizaid and sources say that if the U.S. military needs more troops in Iraq, he wants to know where they would come from, sources said.

The added troops would either be additional U.S. troops or coalition forces from other countries.

....What a fucking joke, our "coalition" is crumbling and they actually think they can get more?
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:24 PM
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71. The 1ID is due back Mar-Apr 05
and that division has no idea who is going to replace them. Bush has turned our armed forces into a military exercise of grasping at straws.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:57 PM
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77. US general Abizaid considers sending more troops to Iraq : CNN
WASHINGTON (AFP) - US Central Command chief General John Abizaid has asked military commanders to give him options for sending more troops to Iraq after a bloody upsurge in violence over the weekend, it was reported.
CNN reported that Abizaid asked military leaders to supply plans for consideration within the next 48 hours.

The Pentagon and Central Command denied that Abizaid had specifically requested more troops after the weekend's heightened violence, mainly from militias linked to wanted Shiite Muslim leader Moqtada Sadr, saying supply of US troops in Iraq was regularly reviewed.

"Commanders constantly assess the situation on the ground and they adjust their forces accordingly," said Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Colonel James Cassella.

"We've always said that commanders will have the troops that they need to accomplish the mission, but as far as any specific request" none has yet been made by General Abizaid, he said.

(more)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040405/pl_afp/us_iraq_troops&cid=1521&ncid=1480
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:22 PM
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82. Looks like the story is finally making it to the front pages
CNN has this sort of buried in the story about Al-Sadr:

Source: U.S. considers sending more troops

Shiite unrest in Baghdad and consistent attacks in the Sunni stronghold of Fallujah concern Abizaid and sources say that if the U.S. military needs more troops in Iraq, he wants to know where they would come from, sources said.

The added troops would either be additional U.S. troops or coalition forces from other countries.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=102&topic_id=464982&mesg_id=465524
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 02:50 PM
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83. And Rummy wanted to do this on the cheap
I seems to remember hearing Rumsfeld saying about eighteen months ago that this Iraq thing could be wraped up with less then 50,00 troops deployed. What the hell happened Rummy?
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