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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:57 AM Original message |
Gillard may get me killed: Assange |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. Isn't Gillard the Neo-Liberal hack that forced out Kevin Rudd? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. With the help of the American government, revealed by Wikileaks. |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
120. The context is the US RW would have preferred Tony Abbott (the conservative opposition leader) |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
119. Frankly, I still trust her a bit more than Rudd; and I trust both her and Rudd way more than |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. Australians in support of Julian need to put pressure on Gillard. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. They were out at rallies over the weekend. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Would this be the petition yr referring to? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Yes, thank you. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
78. How can we all do that ... any contact info around ... ??? |
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Rincewind (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
4. So, what's the down side? nt |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. A man who hasn't broken a law is killed. That's the downside, smartass. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
21. There are a few, but you wouldn't understand it anyways... |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
38. hahahaha; |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
42. people like you. n/t |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
68. Inability for the courts to conduct a fair trial. |
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Krakowiak (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
79. Good German you make |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
5. 'for his own safety' nt |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Yeah, I've been wondering about that. On what grounds is England holding this man in prison, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. One article said he was moved when too much interest was shown in him |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
34. i didn't read that before. do you have a link? nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #34 |
53. I'm sorry, I don't. But it was in the earliest story or so when they moved him. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. Here's a Skye report about the prisoners' support: |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Sounds like the piece of the puzzle I've been searching for... |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. The grounds are Rape. |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
44. Could prince charles's car being surrounded and vandalized |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
54. He's been gitmoed. nt |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
90. Yeah, that's brand-new one, "for his own safety." |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
7. Since she made her utterly ridiculous statement, there have been |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Sounds as if Australian citizens have a lot on the ball. Gillard can probably kiss her... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
31. The only problem is that the alternative to Gillard is far, far worse... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:49 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. That's a shame. Wonder how she feels about being owned by the empire & playing wicked witch... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 06:04 AM Response to Reply #32 |
108. I for one hope she doesn't sleep well at night... |
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anAustralianobserver (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
121. Yes the Greens will hold the balance in July—excellent development that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. There were rallies in five Spanish cities this weekend. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I saw that. And it's every government in Europe. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Last week was really disturbing. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I think what the cables show, as they are published day after day |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. The powerful have always been a group, that's true. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:27 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Pretending to be human... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I used to wonder that about Cheney -- if he planned on building |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
49. The next Mars expedition. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
96. I heard Mars is too cold and the atmosphere too thin this time of the year... |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
97. Do you think these people give a damn about their grandchildren, |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. "George H. Bush's New World Order." |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Good analysis. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Yep. "Guess what Bucko, your government does not represent you anymore." nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Bohemian Grove, Carlyle Group, The Family? Many international networks for a long time. |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. And the Bilderbergers. That's not some looney conspiracy theory. |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. The Family, Hitler, and the Klu Klux Klan started at about the same time. |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #14 |
45. 2 to 5,000 in Melborne protesting Julian's imprisonment. |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:06 AM Response to Original message |
19. K&R n/t |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
29. this link in the commentary |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
60. Well done informative documentary. Thank you. n/t |
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TheeHazelnut (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
30. "senior figures in the United States, including politician Sarah Palin" |
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PerpetuallyDazed (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:05 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Haha! She doesn't have the pedigree. Palin is a puppet, nothing more. n/t |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #30 |
50. "senior figure" or quitter and Reality Show Queen? |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
91. A new def of politician too. Sarah Palin quit and became a Pundit/Reality show. She is no politician |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
94. No kidding. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
33. So do words put people in danger or not? |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
35. K&R n/t |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
39. It sounds like Mr. Assange didn't realize what he was getting into. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. A night or two in jail can do a lot for perspective. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Indeed it can. He doesn't realize it, but the safest place for him right now would be in a US jail. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. "the safest place for him right now would be in a US jail." |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
80. No, he would not be sent to Gitmo. They are not longer accepting new applications. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #80 |
98. So you're volunteering to waterboard Assange now? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. (1:51:25 PM) bradass87: i'd have to ask assange , Lets see how conspiracy works.. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #98 |
111. No, I have hired the Department of Justice to handle the interrogation. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. Do you really think he's going to Gitmo? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #84 |
105. Then he'd be sent to Syria or another vacation spot for "terrorists" |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. We'll see I guess |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. Why should he cut a deal? They can't even find a law he's broken. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
93. if he conspired with bradass87 during theft |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. How about a low orbit ion cannon? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
92. Can be turned on its masters (nt) |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. I'm sure he did know. He knew Ellsberg faced the same risks. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. One of the problem is that he has exposed more than just a few villains. |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. What is your point? Why is that a problem? n/t |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. It's not my problem, it's his. As evidenced by the fact I am writing this while he sits in a cage. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. So, your government stalks a journalist and hounds him into custody |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Actually, I have not drawn any conclusions with respect to the innocence or guilt of Mr. Assange. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Well, no. And not until we lose the First Amendment. n/t |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #89 |
109. The 1st Amendment does not permit espionage. |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Mr. Assange is not a U.S. citizen and is not under U.S. Jurisdiction. NT |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #95 |
110. No, but Mr. Assange is in possession of US property and we want to |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. So your asking a journalist to reveal his sources? Don't we know already? |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. If you recall, there was a reporter who spent some time in a cage for |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
100. You really don't "get it" do you... |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
117. I have no problem whatsoever with real journalists investigating matters of state. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Jounalism is not espionage. n/t |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
74. But murder is illegal, even when it is committed by a government. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I do, that is why I said that the safest place for him right now would be in a US lockup. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #77 |
101. WTF is to "figure out"? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. if he conspired with bradass87 during theft, he has some splanin to do..(nt) |
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johnroshan (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 04:29 AM Response to Reply #39 |
107. Romantic aren't they? |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Yes, but like war itself, these things will always exist. The Rule of Law applies to those |
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johnroshan (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
122. Your resignation to the existing order of things |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
43. When a person can be killed at the whim of a leader isn't Democracy. |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Octafish |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
48. Wouldn't it be tragic yet ironic that a 2nd world nation kills Assange |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
114. Even if the caught Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez standing over his gun-shot riddled body, |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
55. Oh, please............... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. You think Interpol puts out red notices on low level charges before they're even made |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Yep, just like MLK |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Watch this TED interview with Assange from a few months ago. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
86. Thank you -- and interesting website, as well -- |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
57. I think she is backing down. Her people like Wikileaks and uphold principles of free speech and the |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
59. "Sarah Palin, had been calling for his arrest and assassination." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Last week Lieberman was calling for his apprehension |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
103. And some of the dullards on DU are pretty much calling for the same thing... (n/t) |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
115. The inmates are running the asylum! |
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nahant (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
66. Assange |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. That's a good article, thanks. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #67 |
104. You would be surprised. Just make it up. Like they have been doing. |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:20 AM Response to Reply #66 |
123. Very provocative. Obama needs to hire Prof Yoo...icing on the cake. |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
69. Wow....This is taking precedence over finding OSAMA. |
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badgerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
70. Point of Order... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. She keeps failing upwards! |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. reality is though that Palin is the front for whoever finds her useful |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. She was the neoon's pick and their money pals aren't letting go of her |
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BarryMeNot (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
81. Fascism. It's everywhere. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
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