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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:57 AM
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Gillard may get me killed: Assange
Source: Daily Mercury

Exclusive by Kieran Campbell and Bianca Clare | 12th December 2010

WIKILEAKS founder Julian Assange says Prime Minister Julia Gillard has put his life and freedom at risk by publicly pre-judging his actions as “criminal”.

In written correspondence between Mr Assange and the Australian Government, made available exclusively to the Sunshine Coast Daily, Mr Assange highlights serious fears that Ms Gillard's statements questioning the legality of WikiLeaks would violate his right to a fair trial.

He said he feared he and his staff could be killed as he was aware senior figures in the United States, including politician Sarah Palin, had been calling for his arrest and assassination.

The 39-year-old Queenslander is currently in solitary confinement in Wandsworth Prison in England for his own safety.

Read more: http://www.dailymercury.com.au/story/2010/12/12/WikiLeaks-julian-assange-gillard/
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:10 AM
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1. Isn't Gillard the Neo-Liberal hack that forced out Kevin Rudd?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:12 AM
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2. With the help of the American government, revealed by Wikileaks.
She's not going to be a lot of help to Assange, that's for damn sure. She's in our pocket as far as I can tell.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 11:20 PM
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120. The context is the US RW would have preferred Tony Abbott (the conservative opposition leader)
over Gillard.

I hope you turn out to be wrong about her being in the US 'pocket'
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 11:09 PM
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119. Frankly, I still trust her a bit more than Rudd; and I trust both her and Rudd way more than
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 11:45 PM by anAustralianobserver
Tony Abbott from the conservative 'Liberal' party—who could become Prime Minister if she is undermined by the RW media here (or by her own bad decisions).

I think she got a wake-up call from the Australian public here and I hope Rudd (our foreign minister) and her are on the same page about Assange and put Australia's interests (and America's interests) first in whatever plays out.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:21 AM
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3. Australians in support of Julian need to put pressure on Gillard.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:33 AM
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6. They were out at rallies over the weekend.
And then, there's that huge petition they have going. They've made a great start.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:56 AM
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10. Would this be the petition yr referring to?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:05 AM
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11. Yes, thank you. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:56 PM
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78. How can we all do that ... any contact info around ... ???
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 02:57 PM by defendandprotect
Think we all need to pushing officials here to control the right

wing nuts -- and to ensure a climate for justice -- not murder.

Chomsky and others began that push --

I think we all need to find a way to join in -- ??!!

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Rincewind Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:22 AM
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4. So, what's the down side? nt
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:50 AM
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15. A man who hasn't broken a law is killed. That's the downside, smartass.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:20 AM
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21. There are a few, but you wouldn't understand it anyways...
You need a conscience, and we know sociopaths don't fare well in that department.

On the positive side, you guys make great businessmen. So, good for you. I guess.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:14 AM
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38. hahahaha;
You need to use the 'sarcasm' icon so people won't think you are serious.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:58 AM
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42. people like you. n/t
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:53 PM
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68. Inability for the courts to conduct a fair trial.
That's the big downside I can see.

If someone is charged with a crime, it is generally expected that the media and other prominent public figures should not talk about the allegations until the case is taken to trial and there is a verdict.

It is going to be very difficult for any court system that does trial by jury to be able to assemble a group of jurors who have not heard about the Wikileaks issue, the charges and so on. Ability to get a unbiased jury == hard.
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Krakowiak Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:58 PM
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79. Good German you make
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:28 AM
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5. 'for his own safety' nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:44 AM
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8. Yeah, I've been wondering about that. On what grounds is England holding this man in prison,
in solitary confinement, no less? NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED AGAINST HIM! The "rape" charge is so ridiculous that, even it had been filed, it would be no grounds for imprisonment. And the main potential charge against him--spotlighting U.S. skulduggery and hypocrisy, by publishing documents comparable to "the Pentagon Papers"--is just good journalism. So WHAT is he doing in prison?

Could the British authorities be smarting at all the suspicions of them about David Kelly's murder, including calls for a re-opened investigation, etc.? In this, another high profile case, are they maybe determined that no outside hit squads get to him? If they release him as they did Kelly, with no protection whatsoever, and a U.S. hit squad kills him, THEY will be blamed, whether they did it or not.

Anyway, this is the first I've heard of "for his own safety." Interesting.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:12 AM
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12. One article said he was moved when too much interest was shown in him
by other prisoners. But that didn't make sense either in the sense that people were pushing notes of support into his cell.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:24 AM
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34. i didn't read that before. do you have a link? nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:54 AM
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53. I'm sorry, I don't. But it was in the earliest story or so when they moved him.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:07 PM
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71. Here's a Skye report about the prisoners' support:
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:23 AM
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13. Sounds like the piece of the puzzle I've been searching for...
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 02:24 AM by guruoo
since the beginning.
The answer to why he 'turned himself in'.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:23 AM
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22. The grounds are Rape.
At a certain point, the rape charges will be dropped, due to an absense of evidence. But that at least allows them to be incarcerated so that they can charge him with whatever else they plan to charge him with. Unless he commits suicide first. ;)
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:06 AM
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44. Could prince charles's car being surrounded and vandalized
enter into this discussion? Some have wondered why the car ended up in the middle of a protest that had some ugly edges.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:56 AM
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54. He's been gitmoed. nt
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:57 PM
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90. Yeah, that's brand-new one, "for his own safety."
First time I've heard of it too. Maybe the outpouring of grassroots support for him is having some effect, at least on the kind of spin we're getting from the media. The PTB could be getting very antsy over the possibility of making a martyr out of the so-called "terrorist."
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:34 AM
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7. Since she made her utterly ridiculous statement, there have been
other statements made by some of Australia's most respected legal experts. She is a puppet of the U.S. Apparently we have puppets in almost every government in the world now, except in S.A. The U.S. interferes in foreign elections, we are finding out, picking and choosing who is the 'right' person to put in office.

And we wondered why no real Liberal could ever make it to the WH in this country? We are beginning to get answers to many of the questions we had, and so is Australia.

I've been reading some Australian blogs and people are livid at the news that the U.S. has so much influence over their government.

Gillard red-faced after calling WikiLeaks 'illegal'

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has been slammed for labelling the actions of the WikiLeaks website and its founder Julian Assange 'illegal', as the slow but steady publication of classified documents continues.


This was written before Assange turned himself in. Since then there has been a huge backlash in Australia to Gillard and letters from prominent figures have been sent to her demanding that she retract her ridiculous statements obviously read from her puppet-masters in the U.S. a fact which Aussies seem to be very aware of.

It is very smart of Assange to blame her in case anything does happen to him. She has already lost a lot of support over this. She could kiss her political career goodbye if anything happens to him. Aussies are beginning to be proud of their national hero as they see the support for him from around the world.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:45 AM
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9. Sounds as if Australian citizens have a lot on the ball. Gillard can probably kiss her...
imperial brown nosing butt goodbye. Unless, of course, we've had ESS install the black boxes over there.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:34 AM
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31. The only problem is that the alternative to Gillard is far, far worse...
If Tony Abbot were our Prime Minister, which came very close to happening, he would have been on the first flight to the UK complete with a vigilante mob ready to lynch Assange on behalf of the Americans. The only decent party leader we've got is Bob Brown, and unfortunately the Greens will never be powerful enough to govern, though holding the balance of power and forcing Labor to move back to the Left will make me more than happy :)
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:49 AM
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32. That's a shame. Wonder how she feels about being owned by the empire & playing wicked witch...
while the sane parts of the world laud her citizen as a hero.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 06:04 AM
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108. I for one hope she doesn't sleep well at night...
But it's far more likely she wouldn't even have a moment of doubt about how she's behaved. The reality is if she doesn't suck up to the US, she's not going to be PM for long as the same people who put her in power will stab her in the back as brutally as they did it to Kevin Rudd...
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 11:25 PM
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121. Yes the Greens will hold the balance in July—excellent development that
I guess will show what the Gillard govt. is really made of.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:35 AM
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14. There were rallies in five Spanish cities this weekend.
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 02:40 AM by EFerrari
Having been just shown via wikileaks that their government let the Americans manipulate their judicial system made an impression.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:51 AM
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16. I saw that. And it's every government in Europe.
I don't think the people in all of these countries are too happy to learn that they no longer are sovereign states. That their governments are merely puppets of the U.S. and that they are now the equivalent of third world nations where Empires interfere in their elections and help to install governments friendly to THEIR needs.

It was great to see those rallies in Spain and I hope they spread all over the world.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:10 AM
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17. Last week was really disturbing.
As if the oligarchs have globalized, too.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:20 AM
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18. I think what the cables show, as they are published day after day
is that the oligarchs globalized a long time ago. But the people are only just beginning to realize it.

When you look at how the whole of Europe and this country have basically followed the same disastrous formula as far as the economic collapse is concerned, and now the handling of it, it's the same in every country. You can't have that exact same pattern unless it's been orchestrated by the same group of people. Even the language is the same 'Austerity programs' eg.

It's like the whole thing is finally being exposed. George H. Bush's New World Order. I always wondered what he meant by that. Now we are beginning to get the answers.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:12 AM
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20. The powerful have always been a group, that's true.
But their collective contempt for the people seems to have reached a new level of nakedness.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:27 AM
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23. Pretending to be human...
Edited on Mon Dec-13-10 04:27 AM by liberation
... was becoming too much of a drag, and it was starting to interfere with their enjoyment.

The planet is soiled beyond repair any ways, so I have no clue where exactly they think they're gonna go when the shit hits the fan (and when oil stops being cheap to extract, the feces will indeed hit the proverbial fan)... that is the part that I truly don't get. Is as if this was the Titanic after having played ping pong with the iceberg, and the filthy wealthy were all too busy adquiring the best rooms at pennies on the dollar. What's the point of having the best luxury suite on-board of a sinking ship?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:49 AM
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25. I used to wonder that about Cheney -- if he planned on building
a space station for his grandchildren to live on.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:28 AM
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49. The next Mars expedition.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:54 PM
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96. I heard Mars is too cold and the atmosphere too thin this time of the year...
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:12 PM
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97. Do you think these people give a damn about their grandchildren,
or anyone who is not useful to them? Look at how motherly Mama Barbara was/is....
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:41 AM
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24. "George H. Bush's New World Order."
I remember a short part of a speech he made after the 1st Gulf War, it was creepy back then and it's even scarier today(Paraphrasing): "We are the masters of the World." I'll try again to find the exact quote but when using those key words I get more results for some of junior's quotes. :(
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 05:18 AM
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26. Good analysis.
I've been wondering too why they use the same language at the same time. Why are developed countries using the same failed economic policies over and over again?

I think you have put together a few important puzzle pieces.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 05:35 AM
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27. Yep. "Guess what Bucko, your government does not represent you anymore." nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 05:45 AM
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28. Bohemian Grove, Carlyle Group, The Family? Many international networks for a long time.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 08:18 AM
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37. And the Bilderbergers. That's not some looney conspiracy theory.
It's just a group of the world's richest assholes who meet on an annual basis to plan on how they're going to keep the worlds' wealth to themselves.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:14 AM
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46. The Family, Hitler, and the Klu Klux Klan started at about the same time.
The Family is so well thought of in DC...but they did send a missionary to try and encourage an African country to execute gays. That sounds a little extreme for christians, but not kluckers. They pray all the time..prior to lynching etc.The fact that they all started about the same time, have so many similarities probably isn't interesting to most people. Just blacks, browns, gays and people with oil under their feet.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:09 AM
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45. 2 to 5,000 in Melborne protesting Julian's imprisonment.
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:06 AM
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19. K&R n/t
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:08 AM
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29. this link in the commentary
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:50 PM
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60. Well done informative documentary. Thank you. n/t
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TheeHazelnut Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:27 AM
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30. "senior figures in the United States, including politician Sarah Palin"
That's a new definition of "senior figure" to me.
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PerpetuallyDazed Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 08:05 AM
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36. Haha! She doesn't have the pedigree. Palin is a puppet, nothing more. n/t
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:35 AM
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50. "senior figure" or quitter and Reality Show Queen?
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:18 PM
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91. A new def of politician too. Sarah Palin quit and became a Pundit/Reality show. She is no politician
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:45 PM
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94. No kidding.
By that standard, Snooki and The Situation are "senior figures." Do they want Assange whacked too?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:52 AM
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33. So do words put people in danger or not?
He's not helping his case, here.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 08:05 AM
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35. K&R n/t
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:31 AM
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39. It sounds like Mr. Assange didn't realize what he was getting into.
However, once he entered the realm of espionage and counter-intelligence, the stakes became very, very high.

Assassination is definitely a possibility, for that is one the hazards that those who work in this profession face every day.

If you are going to play with the big boys, you had better have some big toys.

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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:41 AM
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40. A night or two in jail can do a lot for perspective.
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:00 PM
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56. Indeed it can. He doesn't realize it, but the safest place for him right now would be in a US jail.
It will be interesting to see if he tries to cut a deal regarding the information that he is reportedly holding back.



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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:11 PM
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64. "the safest place for him right now would be in a US jail."
You're NUTS!!!

What makes you think he'd ever see the inside of a US Jail with Constitutional Protections if the USAmerican Empire gets their meat hooks into him...

He'd be sent to Gitmo or some other secret prison if they got hold of him...

Also, you are INCREDIBLY naive about the rapacious USAmerican criminal-injustice system, too...
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:03 PM
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80. No, he would not be sent to Gitmo. They are not longer accepting new applications.
Eventually, they will "get hold of him," and probably some of the co-conspirators as well.

I will be interested to learn more about the source of these leaks.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:33 PM
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98. So you're volunteering to waterboard Assange now?
You're nuts if you think the USAmerikan Empire would give him a "fair trial"...

Hell, he hasn't done anything against current USAmerican law...
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:35 PM
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99. (1:51:25 PM) bradass87: i'd have to ask assange , Lets see how conspiracy works..
bradass will probably be testifying to avoid the needle.
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:46 AM
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111. No, I have hired the Department of Justice to handle the interrogation.
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 10:47 AM by Creative
It is not clear whether Assange "has done anything against current USAmerican law." That is why there is an on-going investigation regarding this matter.

You do not know anymore about this than I do, nor is your opinion is not based on the objective decision making process. Rather, your view is that if it bad for the US, you approve of it--"USAmerikan Empire" (your words).







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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #64
84. Do you really think he's going to Gitmo?
He most certainly will not. I don't participate in Obama's decision-making process, but I'd bet everyone in the room during the discussion would advise against that.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:17 AM
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105. Then he'd be sent to Syria or another vacation spot for "terrorists"
He'd for SHIT SURE never touch foot on USAmerican soil and by doing so receive Constitutional protection...
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #105
113. We'll see I guess
I kind of doubt he's going down permanently anytime soon. I don't think his current detention will result in him going anywhere at US behest. He might go to Sweden, clear his name there, and then be on his merry way. If he does end up in US hands, I tend to believe the opposite as you. I don't think he'll go to a 'black spot,' but instead face federal charges stateside -- but even that is unlikely. He probably won't end up in US hands.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #56
65. Why should he cut a deal? They can't even find a law he's broken.
lol
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #65
93. if he conspired with bradass87 during theft
he is done.

(1:49:40 PM) bradass87: this one was a test: Classified cable from US
Embassy Reykjavik on Icesave dated 13 Jan 2010
(1:50:30 PM) bradass87: the result of that one was that the icelandic
ambassador to the US was recalled, and fired
(1:51:02 PM) bradass87: thats just one cable...
(1:51:14 PM) Adrian: Anything unreleased?
(1:51:25 PM) bradass87: i'd have to ask assange
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. How about a low orbit ion cannon?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #41
92. Can be turned on its masters (nt)
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #39
51. I'm sure he did know. He knew Ellsberg faced the same risks.
Not a bad idea to expose a few of the villains, though.
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #51
58. One of the problem is that he has exposed more than just a few villains.
Much of what has been released does not expose anything other than the inner workings (legal) of the State Department.

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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #58
75. What is your point? Why is that a problem? n/t
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. It's not my problem, it's his. As evidenced by the fact I am writing this while he sits in a cage.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #76
87. So, your government stalks a journalist and hounds him into custody
with INTERPOL and no charges, let alone, American charges, and you believe you don't have a problem?

That's pretty myopic.
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. Actually, I have not drawn any conclusions with respect to the innocence or guilt of Mr. Assange.
Since I know nothing of what lies beneath the surface of this case, I am forced to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, it is clear that many of his sources broke the law and I want to know all about the who, the why and how of it.

Mr. Assange is in possession, or has possessed some of my government's classified material; thus, he is obligated to answer some of my government's questions about them.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. Well, no. And not until we lose the First Amendment. n/t
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #89
109. The 1st Amendment does not permit espionage.
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #88
95. Mr. Assange is not a U.S. citizen and is not under U.S. Jurisdiction. NT
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #95
110. No, but Mr. Assange is in possession of US property and we want to
know all about how he got it.
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #110
116. So your asking a journalist to reveal his sources? Don't we know already?
Shouldn't it be the person who leaked it to the press that gets in trouble kinda like Scooter libby?
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #116
118. If you recall, there was a reporter who spent some time in a cage for
refusing to reveal her sources in that case.

As I have previously pointed out, when you enter the realm of "secret agent stuff", you had better be prepared for the blow-back.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #58
100. You really don't "get it" do you...
Dense, dense, dense...

“In essence, WikiLeaks, an organisation that aims to expose official secrets, is doing what the media have always done: bringing to light material that governments would prefer to keep secret. It is the media’s duty to responsibly report such material if it comes into their possession. To aggressively attempt to shut WikiLeaks down, to threaten to prosecute those who publish official leaks, and to pressure companies to cease doing commercial business with WikiLeaks, is a serious threat to democracy, which relies on a free and fearless press.”

"Wikileaks is a powerful new way for reporters and human rights advocates to leverage global information technology systems to break the heavy veil of government and corporate secrecy that is slowly suffocating the American press." Calling legal and physical threats against WikiLeaks volunteers "shameful" the magazine went on to state, "Not since President Richard Nixon directed his minions to go after Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg and New York Times reporter Neil Sheehan ... has a working journalist and his source been subjected to the kind of official intimidation and threats that have been directed at Assange and Manning by high-ranking members of the Obama Administration."

Evan Hughes, editor-in-chief of wired.com published his support for WikiLeaks in an online editorial titled "Why WikiLeaks is Good for America." Despite an often contentious relationship between Wired and WikiLeaks, with the former having being accused by the latter of complicity in the identification and arrest of Bradley Manning, Hughes argued that "WikiLeaks stands to improve our democracy, not weaken it." He went on to note that "The greatest threat we face right now from WikiLeaks is not the information it has spilled and may spill in the future, but the reactionary response to it that’s building in the United States that promises to repudiate the rule of law and our free speech traditions, if left unchecked."

Mission REALLY accomplished...the Empire is showing its evil face...
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #100
117. I have no problem whatsoever with real journalists investigating matters of state.
However, I do have a problem when sensitive information regarding military procedures and affairs of state being made available to our enemies. This is not a game, for these actions could get someone killed and/or hinder our objectives. That is why the penalties are so severe and why the Obama administration is taking this very seriously.

I'm curious, what was your take on the Valerie Plame affair. Did you support her identity being compromised?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #39
52. Jounalism is not espionage. n/t
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #39
74. But murder is illegal, even when it is committed by a government.
So is depriving someone of their human rights.

Remember?
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. I do, that is why I said that the safest place for him right now would be in a US lockup.
The high profile nature of his internment would insure his safety.

It would also speed up the process of figuring all of this out.


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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #77
101. WTF is to "figure out"?
He's done NOTHING Illegal (or if he has then so has the New York Times, et. al.)...

He's wanted for QUESTIONING in Sweden...that's it... There's nothing more -- zip, nada, nothing...

What the FUCK does he have to "answer for"???

And there's NO FUCKING RIGHT for USAmerica to put him in a US lockup (even in the more likely event that they don't just declare him an "enemy combatant" and salt him away in some dungeon somewhere.)
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. if he conspired with bradass87 during theft, he has some splanin to do..(nt)
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johnroshan Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 04:29 AM
Response to Reply #39
107. Romantic aren't they?
Espionage, Counter Espionage, Assasinations.

They are the most abhorrent concepts ever conceived by humanity. Rule of Law applies to everyone, governments aren't an exception.

They are not "Big boys", quite the contrary, they are criminals setup and allowed by governments.
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #107
112. Yes, but like war itself, these things will always exist. The Rule of Law applies to those
who get caught. But these guys operate undercover, and although there are nearly always suspects, they are seldom apprehended.

Now that Assange has been released and his whereabouts a matter of public record, he should be very careful.
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johnroshan Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #112
122. Your resignation to the existing order of things
is exactly what is wrong with the progressive base in this world. The only way to move forward is to envision a world without wars, where the rule of law applies to everyone. We should never give up on such issues that form the very foundation of our convictions.

Most importantly, we should remember that the government works for us, the people, not the other way around. If the people don't want assassinations and wars in their name, the government should oblige. If it doesn't, theres is something fundamentally wrong with it and people should have the power to take it down and reestablish it in a way that is conducive to the interests of the people.

John.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 09:58 AM
Response to Original message
43. When a person can be killed at the whim of a leader isn't Democracy.
That's the definition of tyranny, what it seems we have today:

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

Thanks for the heads-up on Assange and his mates.

Crikey. Ms. Gillard has turned out to be a bigger turd than originally feared -- and that was a steaming stoney huge rock hard pile-up.

Kick and Rec.

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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #43
47. Octafish
The ACLU is challenging the law that the US has the right to kill a US citizen if they are suspected of terrorism. Tyranny definitely ,no longer a secret. The whole world found out the same time that WE did. Seems like puppet theater with some far off sages pulling the strings.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:27 AM
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48. Wouldn't it be tragic yet ironic that a 2nd world nation kills Assange
via a grudge match of teh stupids, thus upsetting the US's scramble to keep everything from being released.

If you have ever seen the old cold war movie, "the bedford incident", the tragic ending of that movie rings for me how this whole thing will play out.

Richard Widmark is the US, a second world nation is James MacArthur and the people are, like in the movie, Sidney Poitier.

Only difference with the current events, the people will win.
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #48
114. Even if the caught Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez standing over his gun-shot riddled body,
while holding rifles, his supporters would insist that the US was responsible.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:56 AM
Response to Original message
55. Oh, please...............
He's quite the drama king, isn't he?

:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #55
61. You think Interpol puts out red notices on low level charges before they're even made
very often? Really?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. Yep, just like MLK
and Bobby Kennedy and Gandhi and Allende and many of the thousands the empire has offed when they "offended"...
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #55
73. Watch this TED interview with Assange from a few months ago.
Really, everyone should watch it and judge for themselves what Assange is or isn't.

It's very revealing, I promise you.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/julian_assange_why_the_world_needs_wikileaks.html
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #73
86. Thank you -- and interesting website, as well --
and I'll try to watch more of what they've done -- !!

:)
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:02 PM
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57. I think she is backing down. Her people like Wikileaks and uphold principles of free speech and the
press... like most of our people do! 
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:37 PM
Response to Original message
59. "Sarah Palin, had been calling for his arrest and assassination."
Yep, it's the American way. First we round them up, and then we assassinate them (without benefit of trial).

Sarah's just the kind of gal we need sitting in splendor in the Oval Office!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. Last week Lieberman was calling for his apprehension
despite the fact there were no American charges at all.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #62
103. And some of the dullards on DU are pretty much calling for the same thing... (n/t)
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #62
115. The inmates are running the asylum!
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nahant Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:37 PM
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66. Assange
BMAZ over at Emptywheel has a great post on how flimsey the US case against Assange is: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/12/12/the-misplaced-us-determination-to-indict-assange/
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. That's a good article, thanks.
I don't see a way forward for the DoJ in this case either.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 12:03 AM
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104. You would be surprised. Just make it up. Like they have been doing.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #66
123. Very provocative. Obama needs to hire Prof Yoo...icing on the cake.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:59 PM
Response to Original message
69. Wow....This is taking precedence over finding OSAMA.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:06 PM
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70. Point of Order...
He said he feared he and his staff could be killed as he was aware senior figures in the United States, including politician Sarah Palin, had been calling for his arrest and assassination.

Query:
Since when is Sarah Palin a 'senior politician'?

:wtf:

Joe Biden is a 'senior politician'. Hillary Clinton is a 'senior politician'.

Sarah Palin, OTOH, is a bright shiny noisy distraction and wannabe-politician with absolutely NO real power or say.
She had a modicum of both as governor of Alaska...but she gave that up when she quit.

Carry on....:patriot:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. She keeps failing upwards!
LOL
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #70
82. reality is though that Palin is the front for whoever finds her useful
and she has an audience.

(and she can butcher road kill with a butter knife or whatever...)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:18 PM
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83. She was the neoon's pick and their money pals aren't letting go of her
that's for sure.
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BarryMeNot Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:06 PM
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81. Fascism. It's everywhere.
USA, Australia, UK, Netherlands, Austria, Italy...

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85. Undeniably ....
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