Vandals deface Veterans Memorial; local residents react

[ZR2]

A gasp of disbelief, a sad shake of the head and a feeling of general disgust.

That's how San Marcos residents reacted Saturday morning at the sight of graffiti spray-painted on the still under construction Hays County Veterans Memorial.

Sometime overnight, someone used yellow spray paint to write "Kill Bush" on a section of the memorial where names of local veterans are displayed on a sloping wall. The same slogan, along with others, was repeated on the back of the memorial.

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http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/articles/2004/04/04/news/news2.txt

[buddy22600]

1. There goes a few more independant votes to bush

[CO Liberal]

5. How Much Ya Wanna Bet....

...this was done by Republican operatives????

[alittlelark]

9. That was my first thought too.

They are desperate, and will do whatever disgusting acts are 'nessesary' to keep * in office.

[Zhade]

10. That's EXACTLY what I thought - COINTELPRO tactics.

Designed to make those of us who want b*sh gone look 1) disrespectful of veterans and 2) dangerous.

Total set-up, I'd bet.

[VolcanoJen]

11. Exactly. Provacateurs.

Either way, it's disgusting to me.

[wuushew]

18. Only if those voters are in swing states

I don't think Texas is going blue anytime soon.


Vandalism even when unpleasant gets the public's attention. Being nice an civil doesn't seem to work anymore. All three branches of government are controlled by pukes and we are engaged in an immoral illegal war. Politics should be front and center not sports and American Idol.

[ithacan]

2. my bet: freepers did this

right wingers trying to provoke a pro-Bush backlash. this sounds exactly like the way thge right wingers work.

[tom_paine]

8. Freepers did this

Undoubtedly. Uncle Karl's Dirty Trocks Squads.

99.999999% certainty.

Any Democrat who did this would write something other than "Kill Bush".

Mission Akkkomplished, KKKarl.

These bastards will stoop to ANYTHING!

[Name removed]

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[tom_paine]

19. I said, 99.99999% certainty

I am allowing for the chance that I could be wrong.

And the original Tom Paine (as opposed to me who bears The Great Man's Name in lowercase form) never had a problem with telling it like it is. Yes, sometimes at the expense of fairness.

I don't think the original Tom Paine would have a whole lot of problem with my statements regarding the "Tories" particularly when said Tories have a history of Dirty Tricks going back over 30 years.

Yes, it might have been a misguided Democrat (or Naderite) who did this. And perhaps it is my vanity that leads me to say that someone like that would be UNLIKELY (not impossible, just UNLIKELY) to use such a crude epithet.

I stand by what I said. You need to read about Watergate, Karl Rove, the thefts of Senate Judiciary Files (now gone silent after the "ricin" scare allowed Busheviks unfettered & undisturbed access to the Senate Judiciary Computers) and the comments of the Busheviks and their Propagandists, who consider us little better than animals and who have sold their minions (same old boring Totalitarian Story) that doing Evil is acceptable to Defeat a Greater Evil.

I think the original Tom Paine would have connected the dots an awful lot faster than me. He was a genius in rhetoric and semantics and he would have recognized this Totalitarian Bushevik Beast as Tyrannical even though the concept of Totalitarianism hadn;t been invented when he died.

I stand by what I said. Maybe my 99.999999% chance is too high.

No less than 90%, though.

"Kill Bush" indeed. Those aren't the words of an anti-Bush person, they are the words of a crude frame-job delivered for maximum emotional impact.

The San Marcos Police should start with the College Young Busheviks, though I am guessing they won't be investigated THEM at all.

Go visit www.freerepublic.com and revel in their murderous fantasies. Learn what we face. THEN, after you have been educated, tell me you don't think as I do.

[Westegg]

12. You know what, though? MAYBE NOT!

Maybe it wasn't freepers. Dammit, this makes me mad, whoever did it. So fucking wrong. I totally get the general thesis here of a "Reichstag"-like fascist conspiracy, but at the same time, you have to agree that this really isn't Germany in the 1930s. I'm sorry, but it isn't!---and so there's every chance this really WAS some asshole who put his anti-Bush sentiment in the wrong place.

[m-jean03]

13. Sorry, I have no doubt it was the rightwingers.

No one with a semblance of intelligence would feel this would help their cause.

[demdave]

14. So your contention is that there are no stupid liberals?

Between the things that PETA, ELF and ALF alone do, I think the evidence doesn't back you up. I do find it interesting that whenever some misguided fool does something like this everyone immediately assumes they are a Rep. plant.

[ithacan]

15. but this does fit exactly the Republican M.O.

who knows who really did it.

But this is EXACTLY the kind of thing the extremists who run the Republican party specialize in.

If I had to bet money that it was right wingers, I'd bet the house on this one.

[m-jean03]

16. Can't see this being the work of a liberal.

Too many liberals are either veterans, know veterans, or have lost friends and family to REPUBLICAN CHICKENHAWK supported wars. Ending the Vietnam War and supporting its veterans have primarily been efforts of the left.

It is just too commonly known on the left that the Republicans are the ones who "spit on vets" policy-wise -- besides being the ones who start the needless wars to start with.

This is just an attempt to start a new variation on the old "hippies spitting on returning vets" urban legend, in my opinion.

[Piperay]

36. Plenty of PETA people are

repugs. I know that because I was misguided enough to hang-out with that group a few years back and while some are liberals it is equally divided and plenty of them at that time were Raygun loving repugs. :-(

[Westegg]

23. How much time have you spent recently...

...talking to teenage radicals? Me, I talk to them every night when I walk up to Union Square here in NYC. They don't give a FUCK about Vietnam. They (most of them) know FUCK-ALL about history. They want to make their mark, so I'm sorry, but kids like this could very well have done this deed. I stand by my original post, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[m-jean03]

24. You could be right WE.

I haven't talked to any teenage radicals lately. It's just really hard for me to accept and I see how it could be a set up. Ultimately, who knows?
:shrug: Sad, either way.

[alittlelark]

30. The kids I know would have been MUCH MORE creative....

Kill Bush. Yeah, how lame, sorry, this is the work of non-creative freepers/operatives.

It REEKS of fraud.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

40. But intelligence hasn't worked with Dumbya...

He's not even remotely interested in listening to what we have to say about Iraq, the environment, the economy, education, or anything! There are bound to be democrats who are frustrated to the brink of doing something horrible like this.

I'd rather think it's freepers too; but I think we should wait for evidence to make a statement one way or the other.

[DenverDem]

3. Misguided in their targeting

but you've got to love those Texas radicals.

Unless, of course, others here are correct in that it was a wrong wing swerve, which is entirely possible.

[VeniceBeat]

4. College Republicans In Action

Dirty Tricks Squad.

[LiberalFighter]

25. That would fit both bills

Repugs and young kids

Who were the young repugs that invaded a Democratic Caucus?

[Bozita]

6. America's Reichstag is burning now

[DenverDem]

7. That burned 9/11/01.

This is just brownshirtism.

[Vogon_Glory]

20. Memo to San Marcos Infantile Leftists: Grow Up

A memo to the idiots who defaced the Veterans' Memorial: Grow up. Your behavior is juvenile and stupid, wins no friends for those who would put an end to Dubya's Big Sandy Adventure, and makes enemies of the families and friends of US servicemen and servicewomen caught up in the big PNAC jingo exercise.

Your actions with the paint were very harmful to the cause of getting the Shrub thrown out of office. Right-wing agents provocateurs seeking to discredit progressives could hardly have done more damage to the cause. Stop doing reactionary Tom De Lay's work for him and think first.

[DrWeird]

22. How do you know it was leftists.

And that they weren't servicemen?

[Vogon_Glory]

38. Easy: Ex Servicemen's Behavior

I think it's fairly easy to deduce that it wasn't either servicemens' or ex-servicemens' behavior. I know some from various spectra's and they wouldn't spray-paint a veteran's memorial to bash George the Lesser Bush. That behavior seems to be run out of them in boot camp or other places the military gets trained. The military and ex-military types seem to think that vandalizing a war memorial insults their fellow soldiers or the ones in the military before them.

Unfortunately, that leaves two categories of vandal. One is the right-wing agent provocateur. The other, alas, are infantile leftists.

Unfortunately, I fear it's the latter bunch. Some of these kids still haven't gotten it through their heads that the sixties and seventies are over. The old Weather Underground is kaput. Most progressives these days are trying to reforge the traditional ties with military veterans from shirtsleeve and middle class veterans that the Democratic Party used to have before Vietnam--that means respecting veteran's memorials and not burning flags. Some of the anarchist/punks think that spraying sacred places will somehow win friends outside of their little circle of closed minds.

I wish it weren't so. Unfortunately, it's hard to catch the little idiots before they start and re-educate them.

[JoFerret]

21. Reichstag

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[Judi Lynn]

26. I agree with the Democratic posters here.

Freepers did it.

I don't know any stupid Democrats, nor do I know any obnoxious, truculent Democrats.

Does anyone remember the world has discovered government provocateurs at some of the protest marches who have been seen throwing rocks toward, but not at the cops, as to set in place the illusion there is a violent confrontation going on?

I've heard it was witnessed both in Seattle and Miami in modern times, and certainly during the '60's.

Immature, narcissistic, ugly people don't "see the larger picture" and don't feel the sense of responsibility and connectedness with the world Democrats do. Thanks.

[opihimoimoi]

27. Vandals also defaced PUNCHBOWL out here in Hawaii. Its a National

Cemetery and it was a shock to many of us old timers. At the time, it was felt SkinHeads did it. No one was caught. In every lifeboat, there will be drillers. Damn,

[laylah]

28. Personally

I don't give a rat's patootie WHO did it...it is reprehensible, disgusting and unforgivable! :puke:

Jenn

[mediaman007]

29. Maybe it was a few kids getting their kicks,

I know a few juveniles who would do that stuff at the drop of a hat. Most likely the only politician they know is Bush.

[Bozita]

31. Only 3 possibilities: RW, LW, or generic one-size-fits-all assholes

RW is rapidly losing support from vets and service families.

No LWer would attack a veterans' monument. Counterproductive.

It wasn't "Fuck Bush." It was "Kill Bush."

Hmmm ...

Betting all of my chips on fundy freeper(s).

[nolabels]

33. I was going for "what's behind the curtain bob"

but with that analysis, I will take walnut shell #3 }(

[dawn]

32. I agree...freepers probably did it.

Or some kids who were just screwing around.

Whoever did it is really sick in the head.

[Piperay]

34. Definite Freeper neo-con attack

trying to make it appear to come from the lefties, but it is way to obvious who really did it. :mad:

[psychopomp]

35. Were none of you ever 16?

I was, and to all of you who suspect that this is some kind of VRWC-plot may have forgotten the stupid things that teens can do with a can of spray paint, some markers and too much free time.

Yes, it is possible that it was an act by conspirators aiming to pin this on leftists, but it probably was nothing more than a kid choosing the wrong place to vent.

[oasis]

37. I smell freepers. Only they would be dumb enough to think this would have

an impact. Real Bush haters are way more passive (and creative).

[JohnLocke]

39. Morans.