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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:28 AM
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Court Rebuffs Obama on Warrantless Cell-Site Tracking
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 12:28 AM by Newsjock
Source: Wired

A federal appeals court on Wednesday rejected the Obama administration’s contention that the government is never required to get a court warrant to obtain cell-site information that mobile-phone carriers retain on their customers.

... The case that concluded Wednesday concerns historical cell-site location information, which carriers usually retain for about 18 months. The data identifies the cell tower the customer was connected to at the beginning of a call and at the end of the call — and is often used in criminal prosecutions and investigations.

... The Stored Communications Act, the appeals court ruled in September, granted judges the discretion to require a warrant under the Fourth Amendment for the government to obtain the cell-site information. It was the first appellate court to reach that conclusion, despite a handful of lower-court decisions freeing the government from that requirement.

The Obama administration urged the appellate court to reconsider its position, an offer the court declined Wednesday without commenting on the merits.

The administration has also asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit to reverse its August ruling requiring court warrants to affix GPS devices to vehicles to track their every move. The administration said Americans should expect no privacy “in the totality of his or her movements in public places.”

Read more: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/cell-site-warrants/
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:31 AM
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1. I feel now what I did when the courts would stop Nixon doing stuff.
And Nixon was a liberal (by comparison with Barack).
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:11 AM
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4. I have said before on many issues Obama is to the right of Nixon.
It's hard to believe Obama is a Constitutional scholar when he has so little respect for the Constitution. imo
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:44 AM
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10. Ah, but perhaps the Powers that Be required someone like Obama
with a knowledge of the Constitution so that they could figure out ways around it.

just a thought.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:35 AM
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2. Does anyone really think this ruling will stop them?
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:30 AM
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14. Not at all.
They will just find a way to bounce the signals through another country and then data mine them that way.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:37 AM
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18. No way. They'll just cloak it behind National Security.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:41 AM
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3. Does this mean I need a Court Order to put a tracker on a Government vehicle?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:17 AM
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5. once again, we have to root for the few remaining decent judges to rein in a President
...who unleashes out-of-control intrusion into the lives of Americans...
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:17 AM
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6. the software wishes to emphasize my point by repeating it twice!
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 02:24 AM by villager
;-)
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Celtic Raven Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 10:42 AM
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24. Bears repeating
:hi:
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:38 AM
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7. A small victory against some of the nonsense of this admin. nt
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:40 AM
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9. Eric Holder house boy to the ruling class
He takes his orders seriously as he diminishes freedom for all
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:17 AM
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20. No, he has to defend every law, even the ones he may not like.
This has nothing to do with the "ruling class" except they create these lousy laws to begin with.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:45 AM
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23. Can you explain that?
Serious question:

If an AG feels they cannot win on appeal, then they don't have to appeal a decision, right?

It's a discretionary choice they make whether or not to appeal a ruling. Or not?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 12:59 PM
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25. No, Holder only has to keep the boss happy by doing the bosses
bidding. His boss is Barack Obama.

Yes, it really is that simple.
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nyy1998 Donating Member (984 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 12:34 PM
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28. no, no it isn't
Obama doesn't really have much of a choice in this matter either
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:38 AM
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8. k/r
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 02:52 AM
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11. Fuck Bush!
PB
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:42 AM
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12. Barack Obama is not in charge of this administration. He's just as much a hand puppet as GWB.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:32 AM
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13. That's letting him off the hook, don't you think? n/t
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sirthomas66 Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:06 AM
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19. Yep. Has been true since the very beginning. And the strange
thing is that should he have ruled with honor, constantly performing FOR the people NOT against the people, despite what his corporate masters say, he would be in maybe the same place as he is now, but WITH the people. Surely, many members of Congress, know this, at least those not blinded by money. If we do not begin to act as revolutionarys, we shall lose all.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:00 PM
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26. So who controls the strings? Where should we shift our blame? nt
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 07:08 AM
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15. Shit creek gets deeper every day.
That sinking feeling is back.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:02 AM
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16. courts remember they have "balls" when it's a Democrat in charge ...
even when it's a "fake" Democrat/fake liberal ...
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:31 AM
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17. I want to know who suggests, approves and initiates these activities.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 08:31 AM by LiberalFighter
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NikRik Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:37 AM
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21. As technology moves forward .....
we need to adjust our laws to protect the private citizens rights when using the technology. Use of a cell phone is still a private conversation between two people and should be protectedas a right to privacy !
IMHO, NikRik
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:37 AM
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22. Courts? Courts? We don't need no stinking courts.
That's where we're headed. Appoint compliant judges or ignore rulings of the others. The laws are for peasants, anyway.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 01:59 PM
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27. Current rulers have a thing for military tribunals anyway.
As Stalin was find of troikas to do his bidding.
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