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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:17 PM
Original message
Julian Assange says his life is 'under threat'
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 02:25 PM by Turborama
Source: The Guardian

David Batty | Saturday December 18 2010 16.54 GMT

Julian Assange said today his life and the lives of his colleagues at the whistleblowing website WikiLeaks are under threat.

Speaking to reporters outside Ellingham Hall, the Norfolk house at which he is staying following his release on bail from prison, Assange said: "There is a threat to my life. There is a threat to my staff. There are significant risks facing us."

=snip=

In response to (Bank of America's) announcement, WikiLeaks issued a message on Twitter urging its supporters to leave the bank.

"We ask that all people who love freedom close out their accounts at Bank of America," it said. "Our advice is to place your funds somewhere safer," the organisation said in another post.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/18/bank-of-america-refuses-to-handle-wikileaks-payments
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:32 PM
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1. uh oh - 'safer' - sounds like he could know something

if AIG could go belly up, anything is possible...

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Here are some screenshots of the tweets...
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 02:42 PM by Turborama



:hi:
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
20. Anyone can know this: Bank of America is a zombie, the bailouts a patch-up fraud.
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 05:07 PM by JackRiddler
They (and Citi) have been on a treadmill of near-zero-interest loans from the Fed and cash from the Treasury. Even with the moving of many toxic assets to public debt, the banking sector still has trillions in derivatives to unwind. They've also been getting to mark up their fraudulent paper as worth more than market price. And there's the mortgage title scammery and foreclosure fraud. There are probably dozens of items on their books that if exposed might cause this beast to unwind into a giant pile of yarn. Not to mention all the possible frauds that would likely implicate other banks or the Fed. Let's see if it starts Monday with market hits, just on the sizzle of the one tweeted word, "safer."

In other words, the banking crash was not unwound, the debt burden and the derivatives bomb are still there, the bailouts have been a delaying action, and the zombies will fall down again even if Wikileaks does nothing. Their advice by Twitter is sound: move your money out of BoA and the other monster banks, if you have any there.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #20
101. good info and good advice - consider it done

thanks for the info
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
2. I tell him to lay off BA.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #2
21. I advise you to move your money to a safer place.
The zombies will fall any how.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Just another assange mess you will pay for..
deposits are insured at BOA so the exposure to the customer is nil. Its backed with the US treasury.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Let it go...you & your intellgence buddies are losing.
sorry
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. loosing what, I put call options out on RTN the minute I saw the Iran cable.
that will kill the start treaty and generate a boost phase interceptor project. Not quite an inside trade but thanks wikileaks..

Dont worry if evidence supports it assange and buddies will stand trial on conspiracy.

Now what have I lost?
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. I think you are missing the essential point, which is the restoration of honesty & integrity.
"On the release of the U.S. cables, Assange defended the
work of WikiLeaks, and said that with regard to revelations
that may affect the Mideast peace process and nuclear
negotiations with Iran:

'It seems to be a step forward. In fact, I would say, in general,
it is a step forward that everyone be on the same page and not
to be running around behind each others' backs, telling lies
about each other. That is something that has been revealed by
this material. And a lot of countries are looking on that favorably.'"


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20025971-503543.html?tag=channelMore;pop
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #32
46. You've lost whatever you paid for the option:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #46
53. look 180 in the future, tell me what you see.(nt)
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ChumbawambaFan Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #31
61. +1
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #29
69. just like social security. nt
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:49 PM
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4. I fervently hope nothing happens to him. But, god forbid, it does,
I hope they drop the key on that "insurance" file. I don't give a rat's ass who goes down. I wanna see Ben Bernanke have to beg on the street to get an effing glass of water.

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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. You mean Ben "I have trouble sleeping at night" Bernanke?
I recall that he said that to Sixty Mins. last year.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Yeah, he oughta have trouble sleeping. But he's a sociopath,
just like the rest of them. I'm sure he sleeps quite well, thank you.

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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. I'm sure he does too!
:hi:
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
23. "Sociopath"? Isn't their defining feature that they practice deception while looking normal?
Assange is hated for speaking truth and not being normal.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. Technically, sociopaths are defined by a lack of empathy (either exercising it or understanding it)
"It's just business" is exactly what a functional sociopath would say. And I shiver every time I hear that sentence uttered, not just because people seem to accept it but also because people fail to make the connection.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #28
70. Thank you, that's the definition.
Thanks to that quality, what they are to the rest of us is people who can win our trust by seeming to be decent, sincere human beings while practicing deception. For as long as they get away with it,
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:53 PM
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5. Honestly, I find him to be acting rather like an attention monger.
I'm thinking of the tweets before the cable release about how it would change world history, compared to the cables which really told us very little we didn't either know or guess. Combined with his announcements about how his "life is in danger" and all the drama over "insurance files," I find it harder and harder to take him that seriously on a personal level. If he actually had information someone was willing to kill over, he would be dead, "insurance" notwithstanding since they would know he was going to release it eventually anyway. That being out of the picture, the rest is reveling in the spotlight by acting persecuted.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. I don't think it's "acting persecuted" when major companies withdraw their business from Wikileaks.
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 03:00 PM by Raschel
Look at the people in the spotlight who talk shit all the time, such as Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck. People who call our President a terrorist, spreading lies about death panels, calling him a socialist, etc.

I don't see paypal or amazon refusing their business.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:02 PM
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9. So are you saying that Glenn Beck is being persecuted?
Beck has lost a lot more business in advertisers than Wikileaks has. Either companies choosing who to do business with is persecution or it's not.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Is beck being systematically harrassed or mistreated? Has he been thrown in jail,
is he under investigation by the US govt?

No. Companies decided they didn't want to advertise their product. That's it.

If I feared for my life I'd get my message across using every venue possible.

Be back later.

:hi:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #13
74. Please present evidence.
Present evidence that the US has anything to do with the minor charges he fled jurisdiction on in Sweden.

Present evidence that someone else who fled a country on rape charges would NOT be picked up in the next country and extradited.

Present evidence that his life is actually in danger. As I said, if he had information worth killing over, he would be dead. Period. Because while the information MIGHT be released in the event of his death, there's the certainty it eventually would be as long as it's under his control.

Absent evidence, the whole tale of this massive, overarching conspiracy to "persecute" him by invoking minor criminal charges comes off as dramatics.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. The Vce President (gov't mouth piece) calls him a terrorist, a US senator says he should be charged
with treason. He hasn't been charged with anything, and was thrown in jail.

Now you prove that his life isn't in danger, and prove the US and other countries have nothing to do with his jail time and prove that the US didn't tell paypal and amazon to cease doing business with Assange.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #74
108. Trying to catapult the official propaganda again?
> Present evidence that someone else who fled a country on rape charges
> would NOT be picked up in the next country and extradited.

Not applicable.
Assange did not flee any country on "rape charges".

Party line FAIL.
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BenzoDia Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Agreed. "Look at me! Look at me!" nt
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ChumbawambaFan Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #10
62. Nonsense, he's said from the start NOT to look at him, LOOK AT THE CABLES.. nt
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BenzoDia Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #62
67. With all the interviews and photo ops he constantly gives, he's undermining his own work
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 08:23 AM by BenzoDia
I've worked for people like this. They talk about team, but put their face out there and harm the product.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #67
73. He is boosting his work.
The reaction of the governments and their handling of Assange is as much the story of our corrupt leaders who can't be trusted as the cables are. He is doing it exactly right.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. It'd be easier for any enemies he has to "vanish" him if he wasn't so high profile n/t
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #12
38. DAmn straight! If I was in Assange's position...........
I'd want to be as high profile as possible for as LONG as possible. As you said, it makes his "disappearance" more difficult.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #38
100. If he 'disappears'
I wouldn't be surprised if there were attacks on US and/or Swedish embassies. They're easy targets.

Not every country's citizens are sheep. Ask Britain.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #5
22. The standard talking points about nothing in the cables come only from those who don't read them.
As for "life in danger," have you ever had any high-ranking politicians calling you a terrorist, or calling for your death?

It takes a lot of ego to do what he's doing, that much is true. We differ in how we judge the value of his actions so far.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. The sad part is not only how predictable but how consistent they have been through history
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 05:47 PM by liberation
When the Pentagon Papers were released, they tried to make it all about Ellsberg's personality. As if photocopying secret information was somehow a far graver offense than the US government being actively egged in a conspiracy to start and maintain a war, which killed over 2 million Vietnamese and 50 thousand US troops and costed billions of dollars, based purely on deception.

Hell, even Ghandi was labelled an "attention seeker" by the Tories in the UK.

The more things change, the more the apologists of the system remain the same. Actually, scratch that. In the old times, the apologists of the system were at least sincere regarding their reactionary stands. Nowadays many of them like to call themselves "progressives," even while fitting for a new brown shirt at the tailor's.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #22
72. Okay, what in the cables changed world history?
We learned that diplomats are used for spying, nobody likes Iran, and that China is ready to finally can North Korea. That's one interesting major story out of three.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #72
79. That's an interesting standard...
I'd start with, what lies and criminal activities have been exposed? We'll see about history later.

From you I've learned that you only read or are interested in the spin as given in organs like the NY Times, and either ignore or haven't bothered to do the most basic reading of the dozens of major news stories generated by the less than 1 percent of the cables released so far. I can't help you much there, as you can't wake a man who is only pretending to sleeping.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #79
104. And yet you can't find lies or serious criminal activities exposed either.
And you fall back on saying that only 1% of the cables have been released, even though the papers have been combing through them for weeks, and would doubtless publish the most important stories first.

And you bash the "spin" of the NY Times, ignoring that the Times was one of the original publishers of the leaks.

Goalposts on the move.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #104
107. You have pretty much no clue about this issue.
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 02:38 AM by JackRiddler
The NY Times is not one of the original recipients from Wikileaks. They were excluded, and got access through The Guardian. If you don't know this, what do you know?

I'm not going to write five pages in the middle of this thread responding to someone who obviously doesn't care to know. I was planning to make a long list of stories from the cables in a new thread here soon. There have been a whole bunch of threads here already. You're just not interested. If you ever are: google is your friend.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #5
26. LOL.
A. I am sure he does INDEED want to keep the heat on.
B. They do not in fact know that he is going to release it anyway, in fact the whole deal here is somehow to stave that off.
C. They do not in fact know what he has unless he chooses to tell them, and he's a good bullshitter from what I can tell.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #5
30. I do think you are misreading him.
What he's talking about that will change history is not
a particular leak or revelation from the cables.

It is a whole new system of holding governments and
corporations accountable through the use of a free internet.
His Wikileaks is only the visionary beginning of this.
It's much bigger than him, or Wikileaks itself. I give
him great credit for his vision & brilliance, and I
hope he will survive.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #5
40. Ever been in jail?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #5
41. Have you kept up with what has been released so far?
Because I don't see how anyone could possibly say that we knew the Obama administration actively blocked the Spanish prosecution of Bush et al for torture, for example. And there are many more stories just as important and only 1% of the cables have been released.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #5
43. Even if he is an attention seeker, so what?
The world is full of attention seekers - politicians, movie stars, athletes, musicians, writers, scienists...It's not usually considered to be a bad trait.

Besides, the powers that be have every right to ignore him, especially since they claim the leaks have all been small beer. It is curious that they give him all this attention.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #5
47. Yes, it's not like a couple dozen prominent American politicians have called for his death *nt
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #47
71. And it's not like they don't do that every fifteen minutes or so.
Anyone who's taking that as credible threat needs to reevaluate their definitions.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. Links to American politicos routinely calling for individuals' deaths?
Calling for journalists deaths?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #5
113. I agree
Not a popular notion but I'm also getting the "attention whore" vibe from this guy. Not to say he's not doing a good pubic service, just that he really likes the attention.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 02:55 PM
Response to Original message
6. "This decision is based upon our reasonable belief that WikiLeaks may be engaged in
activities that are, among other things, inconsistent with our internal policies for processing payments," the bank said.

Can they be any more vague?

I sure hope they're not in disagreement with his ethics. Because we all know BoA doesn't have any.
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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #6
19. But laundering drug money is A-OK N/T
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:19 PM
Response to Original message
14. Some people just hate the truth!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:38 PM
Response to Original message
16. Before I'd believe that
I'd need a lot more proof than just the word of this attention seeker.

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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. How about this:
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 04:31 PM by abelenkpe
Arizona, Nevada Sue Bank of America Over Mortgage Fraud While Treasury Sits on Its Hands

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/12/arizona-nevada-sue-bank-of-america-over-mortgage-fraud-while-treasury-sits-on-its-hands.html

(snip)

So we now have the spectacle of two state attorney generals who see mortgage modification abuses large and persistent enough to warrant filing lawsuits against Bank of America. And both their press releases and media reports on the lawsuits (sadly, the filings themselves do not yet appear to be online) make clear that some of the alleged violations took place in connection with HAMP.

(more at link)

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Or this:

Roubini warns US banking system effectively insolvent

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/4299466/Roubini-warns-US-banking-system-effectively-insolvent.html

Professor Nouriel Roubini said half of the estimated losses would come from banks and broker-dealers, placing further pressures on an already heavily-laden system.
"It means the US banking system is effectively insolvent because it starts with a capital of $1,400bn. This is a systemic banking crisis," he said.

To date, global losses and write-downs as a result of the crisis, which was triggered by the collapse of the US sub-prime mortgage sector, total about $1 trillion.

(more at link)

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Or this:

Bank Of America Wants Judge To Throw Out Racketeering Lawsuit Over 'Robo-Signers,' Foreclosures

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/11/bank-of-america-wants-foreclosures_n_782396.html
Bank of America Corp (BAC.N) has urged a federal judge to throw out a racketeering lawsuit over its alleged use of "robo-signers" in foreclosures.

The largest U.S. bank said the Indiana plaintiffs, who lost their home to foreclosure in 2009, failed to show they were harmed by its alleged practice of routinely submitting perjured affidavits, given they might have lost their home anyway.

It also said the plaintiffs do not deserve relief against Bank of America and its Countrywide Home Loans unit under a federal debt collection law because foreclosures are intended to protect lenders' interest in homes, not to collect debt.

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Or this:


Mr. President, Suspend Mark-To-Market
A priority for Obama's economic team.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/20/accounting-treasury-obama-oped-cx_bw_rs_0121wesburystein.html


After Citigroup and Bank of America reported more troubles with markdowns last week, the Treasury Department, the Fed, the FDIC and the incoming Obama economic team seem to have coalesced around another idea to save the financial system.

The new plan (which is only a proposal at this point) would use the second $350 billion tranche of the TARP plan to capitalize a government-owned "aggregator bank" that would buy up "bad" assets that continue to undermine bank capital.

There is an easier way to deal with this problem. A bold move by the new president, Barack Obama, to support a suspension of mark-to-market accounting would stop the deterioration in bank balance sheets and allow time to heal without taking down the entire economy in the process.

What many people do not realize is that mark-to-market accounting existed in the Great Depression and, according to Milton Friedman, was an important reason behind many bank failures. In 1938, Franklin Delano Roosevelt called on a commission to study the problem and the rule was finally suspended. Rather than waiting eight years as we did in the 1930s, the new president could fix this problem immediately.

(more at link)

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Seems to me that anyone who doesn't think Bank of America or any other large bank isn't on shaky ground has not been paying attention. The banks have been allowed to mark their assets to fantasy in an effort to avoid taking a loss on their balance sheet. They have been letting people live in their homes for up to two years without paying their mortgage because there are so many people defaulting on their loans that they are unable to keep up with the amount of foreclosures. They are being sued by states and investors. They've lowered interest on savings accounts to practically nothing and increased fees across the board in an effort to raise revenue at the cost of all their customers. They needed to be bailed out with vast sums of taxpayer dollars. Really? Don't let your dislike of the Wikileaks blind you to what many others have already warned the public about.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #18
34. None of this seems to bear on alleged threats to kill poor Julian
the Attention Seeker of the Decade.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #34
44. I don't care about him
My post was just to illustrate that there are problems with bank of america that I hope you aren't overlooking. That's all. :)
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ChumbawambaFan Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #34
63. We can all see the depths they'll sink to silence him. Strangers online want him dead. Why not ....
...the billionaires behind BoA? Your many, many posts trying to sew the same seeds
reek of astroturf if you ask me. 'Attention seeker', indeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!!
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. You seem to be rather seletive regarding what attention seeker's word you take at face value
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 05:37 PM by liberation
Reading your comments in this site, it seems to me that the level of proof required seems to be inversely proportional to the "attention seeker's" level of alignment with the Obama administration.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #25
35. Huh?
Julian claims that he will be killed.

And we are to believe him because?

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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. Because that's the way capitalists work..........
whenever they can't destroy credibility, they destroy the body. Anything goes when it comes to perserving their stolen money. As I said above, If I were he I'd want to be as public and known as possible for as long as possible.

BTW, why do you NOT believe him?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #25
54. Bingo! n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:16 PM
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17. No shit. if TPTB could get away killing him they would.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:17 PM
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24. Stay in the house!!!!!!!! I know I would.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:46 PM
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33. I read something last week about BoA.
Can't remember exactly when, but what I read basically said that documents involving BofA and other large corporations are set to be released next by Wikileaks.

I hate BofA. I have a Working Assets credit card through them, only want to pay it off and be done with them ASAP. Working Assets will be better off if I just make a periodic donation.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #33
57. Bank of America should be in jail -- not Assange --
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 06:53 AM by defendandprotect
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ChumbawambaFan Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #57
65. You obviously ain't understand, we supposed 2 B bickering over messenger NOT reading teh messages!
Get with it. Sheesh.


:)
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #65
83. Your'e so right. And I fell for it.
:banghead:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #57
84. Absolutely agreed.
And thanks, I did see post #18 previously. I'd love to see BofA and all the other corrupt, "too big to fail" monstrosities dismantled, but I won't hold my breath.

Meanwhile, I have as little to do with them as possible and stick with my local credit union. The Working Assets card was a mistake. I hesitated when I learned it was through BofA, and never should have gone through with taking it. It'll be paid off completely soon and that will be the end of it.
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BenzoDia Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:59 PM
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36. So now he's giving financial advice?
On top of calling for political resignations? Can you imagine the NY Times doing this? Or the Guardian?

He's trying way too hard to make an impact. The true greats are able to influence with their work and not by hyping their own importance.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. He didn't call for anything. He was asked direct questions
by two reporters and he answered those questions. Then, his responses were printed out of context.

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BenzoDia Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 08:58 PM
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45. It doesn't matter if he was asked it or offered it on his own.


Q. Speaking to Time magazine you said that Clinton should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering US diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations. Should that be the case, shouldn?t it be Obama the one who should resingn?

A. The whole chain of command who was aware of this order, and approved it, must resign if the US is to be seen to be a credible nation that obeys the rule of law. The order is so serious it may well have been put to the president for approval.

Q. So, should Obama resign, then?

A. Obama must answer what he knew about this illegal order and when. If he refuses to answer or there is evidence he approved of these actions, he must resign.


Saying anyone must do anything is calling for it. Sorry, but he's trying too hard outside of the leaks to have an impact instead of staying out of the spotlight like the openleaks defectors suggested.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. Baloney. Answering question is not trying too hard
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 09:59 PM by EFerrari
it's answering questions.

And I don't see any of those defectors doing squat. Too bad one or more of them didn't have the balls to share the scrutiny that Assange has been under. Quitters.
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BenzoDia Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. Yes he's trying too hard.
"My life is being threatened!...oh yeah, um, my teammates too!"

Day time soap opera actor.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 06:54 AM
Response to Reply #36
58. From what you've seen of our bank bailouts ... you'd keep money in BOA?
Assange's comments are obvious --

and there has been a long time campaign for citizens to remove money

from large banks -- especially those bailed out -- and move them to

credit unions.

We've done this --

many others have as well!

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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 06:59 AM
Response to Reply #58
59. BoA was OK by Assange
As long as they were a conduit to send him money.

Once they stopped, they were teh evil.

Sounds like situational ethics?

:hi:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. Sounds more like it had to do with people who send him money ....
and what bank THEY chose to do it thru --

Sounds like a situational attack --

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #59
110. Actually, you're revealing nothing here other than ignorance about BoA and Assange...
Edited on Tue Dec-21-10 03:28 AM by JackRiddler
Assange already claimed weeks ago to be preparing a big leak from the CEO of a bank everyone is currently assuming is BoA, since, um, he said as much in an interview. It has been announced for January and is already much anticipated (or feared) in the press. So this looks like it could be BoA's response to that, and it's lame. At any rate, Assange made this statement long before BoA's move.

More importantly, you imply something that would be a big error: that Wikileaks somehow works with BoA when they receive money from a BoA account. Wikileaks does not bank with BoA. All BoA has done is to refuse to handle transactions from its own account holders who might want to send money to Wikileaks. This probably represents a trivial part of the total funds contributed to Wikileaks.

If my account is not with BoA and I get funds from someone with a BoA account, that's not my choice, but the account holder's. You might as well complain about Assange accepting dollars.

Does your post sound like situational arguing out of a hat? Yup.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #110
111. "situational arguing out of a hat"!
:rofl:

You and I may have had our differences in the past, but I have to say I do admire your sharp intellect and rapier wit.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #111
114. Thanks, turborama, but...
Please accept my apology for not recalling what you're referencing. (I even googled our user names, but found only current threads.)
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #114
115. We had a really long tit for tat about something that happened in Iraq
Edited on Tue Dec-21-10 01:22 PM by Turborama
It was quite a while ago. I'll have a look and see if I can find it...

On edit, here it is. Reading it again I can see it wasn't us particularly who had a long tit for tat. The thread in and of itself was an epic tit for tat, though: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3722008
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #115
116. Yes, I see.
Well, we can move forward from that. (I hesitate to ask, Was there ever any follow up on the Yassim story?)
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BenzoDia Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #58
66. No, but I don't think it's proper to get financial advice from a 'journalist' nt
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #36
80. B of A sucks. I realized that in the early 90s.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:32 PM
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49. Yawn. Who cares? The man sure is an attention whore.
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 10:42 PM by ClarkUSA
Forgive me but these statements, coming from someone who's staying in a luxurious 10-bedroom mansion on an estate owned by a mega-millionaire English aristocrat friend after being bailed out by the likes of Bianca Jagger, seem a bit of phony posturing. Where does he think his wealthy friends invest their money with?
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BenzoDia Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Good call. nt
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #49
55. Is Bianca Jagger a bad person?
I have to admit, I'm not up on all of the celebrity scuttlebutt.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 06:15 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. Quite the opposite
That was just another example of the smear campaign trying to gain legs.

She is actually a remarkable woman who deserves a lot of respect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Jagger#Epiphany
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #56
81. I was being semi-sarcastic.
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 02:12 PM by ronnie624
I wanted to see if the poster could follow through with his citation of an association with Bianca Jagger as a reason to condemn Julian Assange.
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ChumbawambaFan Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #49
64. I agree, so lets forget him, quit posting to threads about him, and FOCUS ON THE LEAKS Agree? nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:16 PM
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76. You don't think powerful people want him dead?
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:19 PM
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77. He would be dead already.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. Not necessarily.
Incarceration is probably preferred. It is cleaner.
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:42 PM
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52. Really...? How the hell did that happen?
Well, I suppose he could try to use what he has left to play both sides against the middle.

Then again, there are so many states and individuals who have bones to pick, he may be very well be SOL.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:02 AM
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68. RELEASE THE BANK RECORDS. Please before you can't anymore. n/t
J
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
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85. Wikileaks’ Assange fights back to US banks
Source: Finance News UK

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has threatened US banks following the termination of payments by several major financial institutions.
............

The North-Carolina based firm said it would “not process transactions of any type that we have reason to believe are intended for Wikileaks”.

In response to the criticism, Wikileaks responded through Twitter, urging “all people who love freedom to close out their accounts at Bank of America”.

The website has recently stated it will soon reveal documents that will demonstrate “unethical practices” at some US banks, calling for businesses to “place your funds somewhere safer”.

Read more: http://www.financenews.co.uk/economy/wikileaks-assange-fights-back-to-us-banks/
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. glad that -- unlike Congress or the White House-- *someone* is fighting back against banks
n/t
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
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87. Bullshit. The Chamber of Commerce, Wall Street and banking industry CEOs hate Pres. Obama.
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 03:07 PM by ClarkUSA
His successful efforts to correct Bubba's stupid mistake of repealing Glass-Steagall by reregulating the banking industry has earned him the banking industry's everlasting ire.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. What statement are you responding to, ClarkUSA.
No one said anything about Obama.

But since you mentioned it, if Obama had really wanted to repair the damage that Clinton did by repealing Glass-Steagall, Obama would not have appointed Summers, Bernanke and Geithner or at least would have replaced all three of them a year ago.

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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
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96. This is a clinton administration. Obama is just there to smile and kiss his wife
The US rejected the clintons so they got in the back door.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #96
103. I agree, Molly77.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #96
106. Or many it's like that old joke
"I'm going to hold up this hand and now you pick a finger -- don't tell me which one, now, I'm going to mix them all up ---
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
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97. It's obvious that I'm pushing back on villager's little bit of nasty implication re: Obama
As for Pres. Obama's economic team, they saved the U.S. from going over the abyss and follow POTUS' orders, which they did under Clinton as well.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:59 PM
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102. ClarkUSA, you are mistaken.
Obama's team is made of the very same individuals who caused us to go over the abyss in the first place. This is especially true of Geithner who was at the NY Fed in the period before the crash and Bernanke who was also involved in a high position during that time. As for Summers, he was a key player in the mistakes the Clinton administration made. All losers.

And our economy is by no means safe from a second fall into the abyss.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #87
90. too little, no prosecutions despite massive fraud
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 03:22 PM by Go2Peace
We will have to agree to disagree on this.

As far as the OP, I think they may have misinterpreted the tweets. They were mostly saying to get out of BofA because it is not solvent. Something that Willam Black has brought forward and the press refuses to talk about now for several years.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
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95. Here is the wikileak on bank insolvency:
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. Ballderdash!
Obama is Wall Street's slave.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. Prove it.
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 05:18 PM by ClarkUSA
Got any facts to back up your tired rhetoric?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #98
105. The facts are all here...
http://www.insidejob.com/

But as I remember you ignore the facts that don't fit your limited worldview...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
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88. K&R for truth!
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
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92. Whoop - there it is
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #85
93. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, kpete.
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
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94. K&R
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #85
99. I have so moved my money already ... when the banks went
hat in hand for a handout.
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Creative Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 08:22 AM
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109. Espionage is a dangerous business.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 11:08 AM
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112. I can't wait. Mr Assange, you are my hero!
My daughter wanted to go into journalism as her major and I convinced her that it would crush her soul so she didn't. I'm saddened that I had to stand in the way of my baby girl's dream but I know that journalism in America is DEAD!

Where in the hell have all the newspapers, tv, radio and internet journalists been all this friggin' time!!! I'll tell you where: towing the line, keeping their mouth shut, and writing only what the corporate masters would approve of.
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