Swedish police report details case against Assange

[underpants]

Source: MSNBC

LONDON — Julian Assange, the founder of the WikiLeaks anti-secrecy organization who was released from a British jail late last week, is facing a new challenge: the leak of a 68-page confidential Swedish police report that sheds new light on the allegations of sexual misconduct that led to Mr. Assange’s legal troubles.

The Swedish report traces events over a four-day period in August when Mr. Assange had what he has described as consensual sexual relationships with two Swedish women. Their accounts, which form the basis of an extradition case against Mr. Assange, are that their encounters with him began consensually, but became nonconsensual when he persisted in having unprotected sex with them in defiance of their insistence that he use a condom.

Ms. A. told the police that arrangements had been made for Mr. Assange to stay at her Stockholm apartment for a few days while she was out of town. But the report said she returned early, agreed to allow Mr. Assange to stay in the apartment, then had dinner out with him and returned to the apartment to drink tea.


****much later in the article - this is a good first version of the story to the masses ****

Later the same week, according to the police report, Ms. W got in touch with Ms. A to try to seek out Mr. Assange, after he had failed to keep a promise she said he had made to call her. In the conversation, the report said, the two women discovered that both had had sex with Mr. Assange without a condom.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40735131/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security

[redirish28]

1. So it went from a broken condom to a no condom situation. My wife a rape victim

is screaming WITCH HUNT.

[LadyHawkAZ]

3. Ditto

One seems to be lying outright, the other seems to be telling the truth but what she reports does not equate to any type of sexual assault.

[breadandwine]

39. How dare JuJian have sex with another woman, I mean, without a condom!

You too, huh, Brunhilda?

Yeah! Tell you what Hilda. Whaddya say we BOTH give it to him!

That lousy two timer!

He - uh - failed to use a condom with TWO women.

Thanks for comparing notes with me Brunhilda!

Good thing we haven't been put up to this by Swedish intelligence.

I would hate to think there was anything untoward in all this.

Okay. Condom it is.


Because

HE DIDN'T USE A CONDOM!

Then why didn't we refuse to have sex with him?

Because he - uh - MADE us do it!


ANYWAY!!!!


Besides. I slept through the whole thing!

Don't YOU sleep through the whole thing every time YOU'RE raped?

Nuf said!


It was rape!!!!!

Just like in that steamy sex novel,

TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD!!!!


RAPE! RAPE! RAPE!


Forget about the Wikileaks revelations.

The only thing leaking is Julian's CONDOM!



Since he didn't use a condom



ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

56. Exactly. When does a rape victim call it 'Worst screw ever' ?

Its a damn insult to people (women or men) who have been raped.

From this article, which actually is a very good write up:

Police Report: Julian Assange, ‘Worst Screw Ever’

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/12/julian_assange.html

[leveymg]

2. There's nothing new here. Legally, there's nothing here beyond a civil law suit.

Witch-hunt on a runaway railroad train.

[Yo_Mama]

60. That's not true

Actually, people have been prosecuted and jailed in this country anything from marital rape to AIDS without a condom stuff.

It IS rape if you penetrate a woman without her consent, and it is rape if you use force or deception to penetrate a woman without a condom when she has demanded that you do, because she has not consented to THAT. And penetrating a woman while asleep, especially one you just met, is asking for trouble.

We don't know whether Assange does have HIV, and we do not have the right to know this, but it was not unreasonable for the women to get worried about his HIV status after they compared notes (sleeping around, both encounters had elements of denied consent, rough stuff and deception to have sex without a condom). They first asked him to go get an AIDS test and then, when he didn't, went to the police to find out if there was any way they could get help.

I had utterly dismissed these allegations, and now I find that I am wrong. Well, it is not the first time.

Note that the article points out that there is a category of sexual offense in the Swedish code which involves such behavior, and that prosecutions under it are not rare.

Since you may have some confusion over sexual ethics and criminal elements:
A) If a woman agrees to have vaginal sex with you, it does not mean that you are automatically granted access to other orifices, or for the rest of your life.
B) If a woman agrees to have sex with you as long as you wear a condom, that means she DOESN'T consent to have sex with you wihout a condom.
C) Wake a woman up before you jump her bones.
D) Don't screw a dead drunk woman.

Whether you agree with these rules or not, complying with them will greatly reduce your risk of prison time.

Not only is Assange a sleazeball, but he's a STUPID sleazeball.

[sendero]

64. Apparently..

.. you believe their stories as absolute complete total fact with no evidence whatsoever other than their debrief.

And you have the gall to call Assange stupid. Look in the mirror.

[EFerrari]

65. And reactions such as yours are exactly why this material is being put out.

Congratulations, you'd convicted one side of the story.

[pbca]

4. It all makes me wonder...

What is up with Sweden. They are normally a neutral / progressive country. I wonder what is being offered or threatened from D.C. to get them to do this.

[tomm2thumbs]

6. good question - remote controls operating better than a drone on this one

they aren't making friends in the European population I can wager - maybe their economy is about to fall apart and they don't want anyone to know about it

[pbca]

8. It would be great if...

world governments took all rape cases as seriously as they are taking this one.

[tomm2thumbs]

17. exactly - well put

[trud]

30. uh

"It would be great if...world governments took all rape cases as seriously as they are taking this one."

Uh, yeah, but it would be nice if they actually were rape cases and not pissed off one night stand cases.

[pbca]

32. Yeah but

What I'm saying is when have Interpol and two European governments bent over backward over a rape case, any rape case?

The merits of this particular case are flimsy.

[Swagman]

23. Sweden has it's own right wing nutters

[JackRiddler]

37. For the possible politics, check out this compilation...

On page 4, "sgt doom" wrote:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30485&start=45

It's a collaborative research thread, so look around for other material & perspectives.

[tomm2thumbs]

53. good stuff - thanks for the post

[PufPuf23]

57. Thank you Jack

Check your PMs

[russspeakeasy]

5. This has had the smell of B.S. from the beginning...

[Iluvdemocracy]

45. And the author (assange hater John Burns) doesn't even mention Ardin's infamous blog post

Teaching women how to jail men who cheat on them.

[PufPuf23]

58. POTUS Obama and VP Biden and DOJ Holder

have disappointed me in their hypocrisy about WikiLeaks and actions as USA Executives regardless of sexual mores of Assange (that appear a likely organized smear).

I worry that this is a manufactured brick in the wall of decreasing internet freedom.

[Bonobo]

7. "But became nonconsensual when he persisted in having unprotected sex"

This makes no sense at all.

So when the women found out that he was not wearing a condom, what did THEY do?

Choice 1: They said "No way, buster. No sex for you." -In this case, if sex went forward, it was RAPE and non-consensual.

Choice 2: They explicitly or tacitly allowed Julian to penetrate. In this case, the responsibility for the decision is shared and there should be no issue.

Am I missing something?

[Boudica the Lyoness]

16. My thoughts exactly

I cannot make sense of this either.

[LisaL]

9. I think it's worth noting that neither woman contacted

police until the second woman who was looking for Assange because he didn't call her, called the first woman.

[eilen]

10. So, this is what warranted solitary confinement in a British

prison? Seriously? Yet Roman Polanski roamed Europe for decades and all anyone did was shrug their shoulders.

[earcandle]

11. old news dressed up in new clothes.. this is boring. spare the man the indignity.

[frazzled]

13. Transparency is everything ...

There is no reason not to publicize the confidential details of a police complaint ... right? Institutions like the Swedish police need to be opened to public scrutiny, because otherwise they wield their power in a hermetic, impenetrable environment. Haven't I got that reasoning right?

Having sex with someone who is asleep is ... um, nonconsensual at the very least. And definitely creepy.

[LisaL]

18. Police reports aren't confidential.

[LisaL]

36. At least in US as far as I know?

[smiley]

20. self-delete

[Codeine]

34. Information wants to be free. nt

[earcandle]

68. haven't we heard the details before though? can we hear about Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Kiss

Kiss Kissinger....again? Those are criminals, not Assange.

Both of these girls were one night stands who gave him as much time and attention
as he wanted...

And there is a new sex trend The Slits made a song about, where making love to someone while asleep is the new black.
Have you heard? The album is called Trapped Animal.


Check it out.

And then there is Get Out for the real perpetrators and war mongers: American Murder Company

[earcandle]

69. delete

[SoapBox]

12. The story still smells to high heavens...and what about the one woman that left Sweden.

...what happened to her?

[TorchTheWitch]

21. she didn't leave

That was a big fat lie perpetrated by one single reporter and CBS documented it the next day.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20025270-503543.html
December 10, 2010 5:31 AM
Julian Assange Accuser "Still in Sweden"

The coordinator of a Christian outreach group in the West Bank denied reports Friday that one of two women accusing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sex offenses had left Sweden and traveled to a town in the Palestinian territory.

Australian news website "Crikey" reported on Thursday that Anna Ardin had traveled to the town of Yanoun, in the West Bank, with the Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme in Jerusalem and Israel (EAPPI) earlier this week.

Ardin, however, "cancelled her participation because we anticipated this," program coordinator Pauline Nunu told CBSNews.com Friday morning in a telephone interview. "She's still in Sweden and she's not coming to Palestine."

[mudplanet]

14. "You didn't call me" is the repeated refrain of a Zappa song

[glinda]

15. Report reads like a soap opera.

[ronnie624]

19. "having sex with a woman who was asleep"

Biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.

[TorchTheWitch]

22. exactly what happened to me

and I'm hardly the only one. Yes, it happens and yes OF COURSE it's possible (look it up). It's rape from the moment of penetration not when the guy finishes... although denying the actual definitions of what rape is has become popular here of late, so I guess I should understand this sudden "confusion".

How long does it take to climb on someone and stick their dick in her? A few seconds if she's either already naked or is only wearing something that can be pulled aside. How hard is it to undress someone while they're asleep? Depends on how deeply asleep the person is and how slowly and carefully the clothes are removed. Everybody knows it's EASY to undress someone especially only from the waist down while they're asleep with them not waking up, and though they might grumble they're still asleep and won't remember it when they finally do wake up. Some people are light sleepers, some normal and some of us are very heavy sleepers that can routinely sleep though a war.

In my own case, by the time I woke up enough to realize what was happening it was already nearly over. I have no idea how long it lasted and never will but I can't imagine it could have been for very long... but what the hell do I know, after all I WAS ASLEEP.

Oh yes, and there were people here who STILL tried to tell me it couldn't have happened for no other reason than either they couldn't imagine it happening to themselves or just so they could continue to deny the merest possibility that Assange may actually have done this to someone. In other words, they had the brass balls to call me a liar and try deny what I suffered. Is it any fucking wonder why so many women aren't willing to so much as tell ANYONE what happened to them much less go to the police??? To not only suffer something as horrific and shocking and traumatizing as rape and have people refuse to even acknowledge it? And of all places here on DU. Fucking disgusting.

[TheeHazelnut]

24. I'm sorry this happened to you.

It sounds like a horrible experience -- the not being believed as bad as the act itself. That said, this person was sleeping with Assange for the purposes of sexual intercourse, which complicates the matter (at least in the minds of people who weren't there) much more than if someone was raped in their sleep by someone they were not already having consensual sexual relations with. I'm not sure what I think of this situation and am not casting judgment on either side until I hear more.

[OKNancy]

25. Thank you for telling your story. Your problem is that you are not

the "hero" of the hour. People are making all sorts of excuses for the little creep because they think he is noble.
I still say he is a creep. I've read some here don't care about his motives or anything else, the end result is all that matters.

This is totally a personal judgement: He gives me the willies. I think he is a slime-ball.

You wrote: To not only suffer something as horrific and shocking and traumatizing as rape and have people refuse to even acknowledge it? And of all places here on DU. Fucking disgusting.

I agree with this. Disgusting.

[LadyHawkAZ]

29. I'm sorry to hear about your experience

and I certainly wouldn't call you a liar. Who the hell did that? That's just wrong.

Let me tell you a bit of my story though, and hopefully it will explain the problem I'm having.

Over the years, I've been woken up in the same manner several times by boyfriends or lovers. Mostly this is a one-night-stand or short-term relationship thing, because those who know me for longer than that know what I'm like when I'm woken abruptly, and know to steer clear (I blacked the eye of one boyfriend when he woke me too quickly from a nightmare, and I swung at him). Had I chosen to press charges each time this happened, there would be a fair number of men in jail right now. Each time, one of two things has happened- either I snuggle in and enjoy, or they get an angry growl to "knock it off, too fucking early for this" and a shove or an elbow. Have I been raped a few dozen times? No. They were in my bed for a specific reason. I invited them there for that reason, and allowed them to stay for that reason.

I don't sleep naked with people I'm not interested in having sex with, is my point here. If I'm not interested, I boot them out or introduce them to the joys of Couch. If they live with me, I put on clothes or underwear. There's always a very definite Do Not Touch signal going on if I don't want to be touched, and that is something that I am responsible for doing. Saying no once woken, if I'm not into it or it's just too early or whatever, is also my responsibility. Neither of those things seem to have happened here, and that's where I have a problem with her story.

I didn't fix breakfast for my rapist and send him off with a happy wave and a "Call me later" either. I clawed the fuck out of him and broke his nose. I have a problem with this bit of her story too, and it's a big one.

I hope this makes things a little clearer. Still awaiting all the evidence to be in, but at this point in time and with what facts I have to work with, I have to lean toward Assange's side.

[ronnie624]

47. Complete nonsense.

Both women have already said that sex was consensual. Their following actions and words make it obvious.

Your personal experiences have nothing to do with the Wikileaks and Julian Assange issues. I would not presume to address them.

[EFerrari]

63. Except it isn't exactly what happened to you

by your own admission. You had not invited someone into your bed and this has been pointed out to you several if not many times already.

[Yo_Mama]

62. Wrong

I have known several women to whom this happened. And it happened with guys they thought were friends, and it happened with guys they had never slept with.

And one of 'em was a law enforcement officer, and in that case, they had been out drinking the night before, and he suggested she crash at his apartment. She was somewhat drunk. She slept on the couch. When she woke up she found herself covered by a blanket, but to her surprise her shorts and panties were off.

She confronted him. He denied it. She got pregnant (and no, she wasn't sleeping with anyone). Because he was a law enforcement officer, she never went to the cops. She had an abortion, and told him about it, and he cried.

It is dangerous for most women to assume that men have that much self control. I'm sure the guy in that case wouldn't have done it if he hadn't been somewhat drunk also.

There are strikingly unrealistic and anti-women attitudes on this thread. Not that men don't get raped too. They do. So really, inhumane attitudes.

[ronnie624]

67. So the woman in your anecdote wasn't really asleep,

but instead, unconscious from drinking too much.

[stray cat]

26. If a woman does not want to have sex without a condom and a man forces her too -that's ok?

I guess it depends on whether the man is supported by democrats. my understanding is that if a woman is drunk or asleep that is not a license for men to have sex with her...

The story may not be true but to minimize women's rights against sexual assault if the defendants politics are liked is obscene

[ChumbawambaFan]

27. Some people are still not reading the articles, and still spinning those same old smears..yaaawn. nt

[Matilda]

28. It really does look as if the real problem for Assange began

when the women realised that each was not the only one to have sex with him.

Sorry, but if the women were so outraged by his actions, why did they remain on friendly terms for four days afterwards?

And why did they each tweet and blog about their experiences in a positive way, then try to delete their posts once they'd been to the police?

None of this really stacks up.

[Uncle Joe]

54. + Mega n/t

[Joanne98]

31. They're beginning to look like operatives.

[breadandwine]

52. Impossible!

Romeo and Juliet agents? Honey pots? ("You can catch more bees with honey than with vinegar.") There is no such THING!


THAT IS ABSOLUTELY PREPOSTEROUS!


In fact, there is no such thing as a spy agency! They don't exist except in James Bond movies!



Mata Hari? That was made up!

[ronnie624]

73. Lol. n/t

[bemildred]

33. Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

LAWYERS for Julian Assange have expressed anger about an alleged smear campaign against the Australian WikiLeaks founder.

Incriminating police files were published in the British newspaper that has used him as its source for hundreds of leaked US embassy cables.

In a move that surprised many of Mr Assange's closest supporters on Saturday, The Guardian newspaper published previously unseen police documents that accused Mr Assange in graphic detail of sexually assaulting two Swedish women. One witness is said to have stated: "Not only had it been the world's worst screw, it had also been violent."

Bjorn Hurtig, Mr Assange's Swedish lawyer, said he would lodge a formal complaint to the authorities and ask them to investigate how such sensitive police material leaked into the public domain. "It is with great concern that I hear about this because it puts Julian and his defence in a bad position," he told a colleague.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/lawyers-cry-foul-over-leak-of-julian-assange-sex-case-papers/story-e6frg6so-1225973548657

[LadyHawkAZ]

35. Oh, the irony... n/t

[bemildred]

38. Yeah, I thought it was kind of a Rorschach test.

Who you think the irony is about I mean:

1.) The professional leaker complaining about leaks, or

2.) The professional leak opposers using leaks to forward their case.

[daleo]

55. Touche. n/t

[bemildred]

61. Hey.

Hypocrisy is so annoying when somebody else does it.
:hi:

[daleo]

74. It's true

Nice to see that you are staying sharp.

:toast:

[bemildred]

75. Some days anyway.

Same to ya, & happy holidays.
:toast:

[krabigirl]

40. Sorry but that is ridiculous, and makes light of real rape victims.

[EFerrari]

41. Eventually, they are going to cross the line and the case

or what they call a case, lol, will have to be tossed out again.

For example, I've read that Julian hasn't received any of this stuff in English yet. If that's true, I wonder if leaking it in another language would violate his right to a fair trial?

[mogster]

42. Beatrice Ask, the Swedish minister of justice

She's the one pushing for the case to be reopened.

In a series of leaked cables, the minister are revealed to have gone behind the back of the Swedish parliament and informed the US about Swedish potential terrorists, practically turning neutral Sweden into a NATO country.

Short synopsis translated by google, from Norwegian:
http://bit.ly/dUbs13

Program page
http://svt.se/2.22620/1.2257883/sverige_lamnar_information_till_usa_utan_att_riksdagen_far_veta

It's not cost free to leak, you know. Too many people have gone too far during the Bush years, making free speech a dangerous business even up here.
Please note what a perfect wedge issue this is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_issue

[Iluvdemocracy]

43. The author of this article, John Burns, was slammed by Glenn Greenwald for being an Assange hater

A while ago: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/10/27/burns

He seems to be the official anti-Assange author by the NYT. Today's article he says the case against Assange "may be less flawed" than people think. And Burns does not even tell us what we all know: that the name of his accuser is Anna Ardin, who was kicked out of Cuba because of subversive activities. He simply calls her "Ms. A".

[EFerrari]

44. John Burns was one of the reporters most active in lying us into Iraq.

He's a serial offender.

[Iluvdemocracy]

46. He didn't even mention Anna Ardin's blog post on how to get men who cheat on women in legal trouble

It was a whitewash and a hit-piece.

[EFerrari]

48. He describes a four day period when it was longer than that, too.

He doesn't say Ardin invited Assange to speak in Sweden or that both of these women approached him.

[mogster]

50. Psst.... a possible Rove involvement?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-kreig/rove-suspected-in-swedish_b_798737.html

[EFerrari]

51. I saw a piece about this. Since there has been no purge

at the State Department or at the Justice Department, it must be like celebrating Old Home Week for Mr. Rove. :)

[Echotrail]

49. Nice when law enforcement leaks private documents

Interpol should start its own site: "WikiCops."

Seriously, it's dirty and underhanded for officials to release police reports because, as we know, the media helps shape public opinion based on accusations. US media does it all the time.

What is really nasty is that the Swedes questioned Assange previously on these allegations and finding no grounds, released him. This is just a favor the Swedish Government is doing for the US.

[bemildred]

59. LOL. Wikicops.

But seriously, leaking stuff is SOP in US politics, it happens all the time. And as this points out, unfortunately, in the criminal justice system too. This is all about loss of control over what gets leaked. Secrecy is mostly about framing the debate, about the propaganda war, and protecting dishonest government asses. That is not all of it, but it sure as hell is most of it, and THAT is the real problem with Wikileaks, it mucks up the propaganda war effort. All of this shit is sure not about nuclear secrets.

[Elmore Furth]

66. A classic mistake: squiring two women who then talk to each other

It is a big mistake to have two women you are sleeping with comparing notes. BIG mistake.

As a general rule, you want to keep each girl segmented as much as possible. Don’t date two women who know each other. Don’t date two women who know the same people. Word will get around and you’ll end up with a huge headache.

Really, there’s no getting around the time factor. Guys get off bragging or day-dreaming about having like six women at once, but once you actually start dating 5-6 women at a time, the massive amounts of time needed to manage those relationships defeats ANY satisfaction anyway. I mean, sure it’s cool to fuck five different girls in one week, it’s always nice to say you’ve done it. But the reality is at the end of that week I would have killed to have two nights by myself.


How to Date Multiple Women

[earcandle]

70. New sex trend is when a woman's asks to be made love to while asleep....

Both of these girls were one night stands who gave him as much time and attention
as he wanted...they were interchangeable and they knew it. You don't just sleep with
a man the first time you meet him, unless you are willing to be in the jet set where you
take certain consequences for certain benefits... and they were both those kind of girls.
Opportunists.

And there is a new sex trend The Slits made a song about, where making love to someone while asleep is the new black.
Have you heard? The album is called Trapped Animal... The song is called Lazy Slam.

[truthisfreedom]

71. If this is to be believed, Julian looks to be in pretty serious trouble.

I hope his evidence against them is solid.

[ProudDad]

72. And police and DAs never lie...

:sarcasm: