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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:41 PM
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Fiona Ma's anti-rave bill criticized as too broad
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

A bill by a San Francisco assemblywoman who wants to ban raves at public venues in California is being criticized as too broad because it could forbid many other kinds of parties.

Assemblywoman Fiona Ma, D-San Francisco, said she simply wants to ban raves from publicly owned venues, such as Daly City's Cow Palace and the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. She said the drug-fueled dance parties are typically unruly and have led to numerous deaths, overdoses and arrests.

While Ma said the measure would not apply to private events, such as weddings and birthday parties, the bill would make it a misdemeanor for anyone to conduct "a public event at night that includes prerecorded music and lasts more than three and one-half hours" - with the exception of private entities, such as bars or clubs, that have business licenses.

Violators would be fined at least $10,000.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/22/BAV11GUFRV.DTL



This is the kind of "nanny state" thing that shames liberals...the comments section is full of liberal-bashing as is usual on the website. Just because some people misbehave doesn't warrant a knee-jerk "ban everything" bill.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:22 PM
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1. Too broad a brush?
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 01:26 PM by AsahinaKimi
Is she trying to kill all entertainment in SF? WTF? Sen.Lee is correct...

Sen. Yee doesn't believe that the answer is banning raves; the rave is not the problem in and of itself. The problem is the activity that is happening at raves combined with lack of adequate law enforcement and health services," he said. "Raves can be done the right way, and young people need outlets and things to go to.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 05:34 AM
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4. She doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I was in her district and her office was completely unengaged. So, it looks like she's very ambitious and at the same time, very bad at actually being a public servant.
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toastbutter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 03:16 AM
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2. First they came for the happy meals, now they are coming for the raves
These people are fucking statist morons. "the bill would make it a misdemeanor for anyone to conduct "a public event at night that includes prerecorded music and lasts more than three and one-half hours" " - idiots.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 05:08 AM
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3. If only the little Ravers would stop practicing Republicon Family Values*
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 05:10 AM by SpiralHawk
there would be no problem

* Sanctimoniously pretending to be proper prissy peeps while all the while having wide-stance, diaper-clad, drug-fueled, luggage-handling, closet dance activity with faux lesbian B & D rentboys.

Republicon Ravers in occult disguise
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:34 PM
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9. Ridiculous to swipe at all of San Francisco for the likes of Fiona Ma.
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 09:35 PM by EFerrari
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toastbutter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:16 PM
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10. I'm swiping at their leaders
the people in power positions who pass this moronic crap.

I'm not saying anything about the people, except to the extent they elect these morans
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:25 PM
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11. This is Fiona's proposal and it will never be passed.
Moronic to confuse a proposal from this woman with San Francisco, the board or the voters.
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toastbutter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:41 PM
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12. She's a SF assemblywoman
I confused nothing
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toastbutter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:41 PM
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13. She's a SF assemblywoman
I confused nothing
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:14 PM
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5. This woman needs to get a life
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 12:16 PM by saigon68
I saw enough of Pelosi on my TV for the last 3 months to last a life time--

And in the process ALL THE DEMS were defeated by Palin type Scum

Feingold lost, Kagen lost The state legislature and state senate went REPUKE

And we have REPUKE high school dropout scott walker and Repuke Palin look alike Fish Face as Gov and Lt Gov

The corporate media spent a hundred million showing negative ads of Pelosi 24/7

Every Puke won

wait until 2012 kids.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 02:55 PM
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6. Why do so man SF politicians act like dictators?
They passed bills to ban handguns, plastic bags, Happy Meals, considering banning circumcision, and now this. Banning things is unAmerican.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 05:30 PM
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7. Then the raves will just go underground
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 05:31 PM by Cal Carpenter
and they will have even less oversight over them.

Frankly I'm surprised to hear that there are raves at public venues at all. I remember about 20+ years ago in Detroit they were underground parties in old warehouses and other industrial sites, or like house parties, they weren't held at coliseums or clubs of any kind.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:29 PM
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8. yeah but those were genuine raves
she wants to ban the fakes, and i say why not? we ban fake diamonds, fake checks, etc.

a "let's call it a rave" that is really just an overpriced publicity stunt, who cares if it's banned or not, no real people are involved either way, let the rich fight it out abt who will profit from giving parties to other rich brats
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toastbutter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:46 PM
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14. Why not?
Well, because it's up to the consumer.
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