Capt. Owen Honors will be relieved of his command of the USS Enterprise, senior defense official tel

[Lochloosa]

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[sarge43]

1. Good. Don't need a jr high school dork in charge of a nuclear aircraft carrier. n/t

[Robb]

4. +10 billion

[Ian David]

2. He's already accepted a position as head write for Red Eye.

He turned-down offers from Breitbart and The Cleveland Show.

[dipsydoodle]

3. Does that mean

Jim Kirk will get it back ? :)

[Scurrilous]

7. LOL

:thumbsup:

[DavidDvorkin]

9. I hope not. Have you seen Jim Kirk lately?

[47of74]

5. Story is now up on CNN

The story is now up on CNN;

Washington (CNN) -- Navy Capt. Owen Honors, who produced profanity- and slur-laden videos while second in command of the USS Enterprise, has been relieved of his command of the ship, a senior defense official told CNN Tuesday.

And of course all of Honors' defenders are in the comments section sputtering, "....b-b-but Clinton! Cigar! Clinton!...." Give me a break. This idiot disgraced his uniform and the Enterprise, which some of us out here have a bit of an attachment to.

[LiberalFighter]

6. Make the SOB walk the plank.

[conspirator]

8. Now Jonathan Frakes has a chance to the captain chair

Although he has fucked up the star strek brand for years to come, with his lousy movies

[sakabatou]

10. Someone, go get Picard.

[Ruperto31]

11. I think everyone in this thread should lighten up.

Honors has a sense of humor, unlike some of you commenters. I guess you want your militarism to be humorless.

[sarge43]

12. Speaking as a retired career noncom I want my military to be professional.

Especially when a member of it is commanding one of most potentially dangerous assemblage of steel and explosives on the planet.

Having served in units where the commander was minimum a jerk or at worst an asshole, I have first hand knowledge of how fast the units can unspool and just how difficult it became to keep the youngin's focus.

Further, a commander sets the standard for his/her unit. If that commander behaves like a jr high school dork, worse treats the troops like that, the unit becomes a jr high school locker room.

I guess you think that's acceptable for organizations that can kill people and break things.

[COLGATE4]

17. K&R X 1000!

[47of74]

18. I'm no Frank Burns

And I think there is a place for humor, but this guy crossed the line. He is not some enlisted fellow or junior grade lieutenant. He is the Captain of the Enterprise. And for Christ's sake if he cannot act like a Captain of a ship with that illustrious name, then he has no business being Captain of that ship.

[kimi]

30. If he was the commander of my unit

I'd have had a real problem with this. I was a female officer in the AF - witnessed off-color s&*t more than was comfortable, and if it related to the workplace or mission, I reported it, by damn. This guy had a position of power, and was expected to set a standard. If he can't do that - and obviously he cannot - he needs to be shown the door.

A sense of humor is one thing. You can command and have a sense of humor and be respected. This crap that he pulled - nothing funny about it. What is said in the mess hall between troops who know each other and have been together for a long time is one thing, but when they see their commander acting like a 7th-grader, it turns the whole command perspective upside down. That's simply unacceptable, no two ways about it.

What a fool.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

13. A friend in the navy says these are among the LEAST offensive he has seen

Sophomoric humor isn't a crime,

[sarge43]

14. Most military humor is.

If he had kept it merely sophomoric, probably could have been dismissed as routine. The problem is the bigotry, targeting groups, gays, women who are part of the unit. This can and does divide a unit, especially when it comes from command.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

19. unit members will be more outraged by the coming sensitivity training

than anything likely in these videos, on his base last year some female ordnance technicians decorated some rather phallic target drones in various inappropriate ways before they were blown to pieces.

Inappropriate? Certainly... more inappropriate than anything else that occurs in most workplaces - probably not.

[sarge43]

20. As noted above a commander sets the standard, not the worker bees.

Further, most workplaces don't have the capability to turn a sizable hunk of real estate into obsidian.

Let's mull this: A woman naval captain and commander produces/authorizes a film with men showering together, washing one another and making cracks about having an extra water ration. Just how well would that go over?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

21. I wouldn't assume that hasn't happened

blue humor on an aircraft carrier, pardon me while I clutch my pearls in horror. People say and do inappropriate things every day - most people however are not so fragile as to be seriously bothered by adults channelling Beavis and Butthead.

[ieoeja]

15. 7 of the 10 replies before you were tinged with humor. 2 were simply informative.

So you see ONE out of ten that suggests Honorless should be made to walk the plank ... while also clearly intended as a joke, it presumably indicates anger at the idiot; that is how much of a stretch it took to give you even one legitimate gripe....

You know what, forget it. You're a fucking idiot. I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to make excuses for you.

So we have 2 with added information, 8 making jokes, and your post. The ONLY post at that point expressing outrage. And you express it at the people you accuse of having no sense of humor. Including the 8 jokes, apparently.

Seriously. You are a brain-dead, fucking moronic excuse for an idiot. I insult idiots by associating them with you. I would like, therefore, to express my deepest sorrow to all those idiots I may have offended by that association.

[Ruperto31]

16. Tinged with rancor is more like it.

:)

[sinkingfeeling]

22. Admiral: Captain to be relieved, others investigated, over videos

Source: CNN.com

Washington (CNN) -- The Navy captain who produced profanity- and slur-laden videos while second in charge of the USS Enterprise will be permanently relieved of his command of the ship, a top Navy commander said Tuesday.

The Navy will also investigate the role other senior officers played in the video scandal, Adm. John Harvey, commander of the U.S. Fleet Forces Command, said.

Honors has been reassigned to administrative duties with the Naval Air Force Atlantic command, Harvey said.

"After personally reviewing the videos created while serving as executive officer, I have lost confidence in Capt. Honors' ability to lead effectively, and he is being held accountable for poor judgment and the inappropriate actions demonstrated in the videos that were created while he served as executive officer on Enterprise," Harvey said.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/04/navy.videos/index.html?hpt=T2

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Good.

[cate94]

23. K & R

Yes, it is good. It is also about time.

[RSillsbee]

24. The guy has almost 30 years in

He'll be at his new duty station a month (tops) and he'll put in his paperwork

[SoapBox]

25. Tip of the Ice Berg...He and his cronies were just stupid enough to get caught.

[humbled_opinion]

26. DUH !!

He put the videos out on the Ships CCTV not like he didn't know they went public... I saw the videos and I didn't find them overly offensive or egregious, I guess its all in context and how we perceive things. The man is said to be one of the best Skippers in the Navy, truly ashame that such a big deal is being made of this.

[DissedByBush]

27. Almost his entire ship is up in arms about this

This is not a good test case for the end of DADT.

[daleo]

28. It gets people's attention

That gays in the military are ok, and not to be made the victims of stupid jokes.

[DissedByBush]

32. At the cost of readiness and morale

I thought the repeal of DADT was supposed to be good for readiness and morale.

[daleo]

33. I think good morale requires gravitas from the highest levels of authority

I suppose others might disagree, but I think a certain seriousness should be a characteristic of high leadership, and this fellow's actions and statements in the videos were not up to that standard. Also, using terms like "fags" and chortling like a junior high school kid about women in the shower must have left many people under his command uncomfortable and alienated.

I would find it difficult to respect someone who acted that way, especially the commander of a powerful warship. I realize that even those in command need to blow off steam, but this seems wrong on many levels.

[NuclearDem]

29. Well...good thing he's being kicked off the ship

But it seems with all officers who get in trouble, he'll get off with a slap on the wrist and retire with all their benefits.

[sarge43]

31. No, it's more than a wrist slap.

Commanding the Big E was his last step to flag rank. He'll retire as a four striper which isn't too shabby, but it's not as nice as admiral.

He made a stupid, juvenile mistake which was deeply offensive and contrary to command standards, but not lethal. If otherwise he served honorably, he shouldn't be beaten to death. Court martialing him would be killing flies with sledge hammers.