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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 08:49 PM
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Sheriff Clarence Dupnik: "Not convinced" gunman acted alone
Source: KGUN

UCSON (KGUN9-TV) - Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik says he is "not convinced" that the gunman in today's shooting spree acted alone.

According to Sheriff Dupnik, at about 10:10am Saturday, the gunman approached and opened fire. Congresswoman Giffords was the first person shot. She was hit in the head one time. Congresswoman Giffords is alive and the surgeon in charge is "cautiously optimistic" that she will survive. Sheriff Dupnik said a semi-automatic pistol was used and a total of 19 people were shot. Six people were killed. Sheriff Dupnik said two of the victims were personal friends. All six victims have been identified. Pima County officials are working to notify the next of kin.

Sheriff Dupnik also confirmed that two individuals at this crime scene tackled the suspect. He said there is reason to believe that the gunman came to the location with another individual. Dupnik told reporters his office has pictures of a "person of interest" in this case. He also said the 22-year old in custody had a criminal background, but did not offer much other information based on the advise of legal counsel. The suspect is in the custody of the Pima County Sheriff's department.

"All I can tell you is that this individual may have a mental issue, and that people who are unbalanced are especially susceptible to vitriol," said Dupnik.


Read more: http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13809243



One person can be a nutcase. Two are....
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KILL THE WISE ONE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 08:52 PM
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1. a nut case and a manipulator / instigator ?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 08:55 PM
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2. That's called a conspiracy
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:07 PM
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3. He should require Palin to appear in appearance for an interview.
And invite the FBI to participate.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:10 PM
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4. They are looking at a second suspect
At a news conference Saturday night, Pima County, Ariz. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik declined to name the suspect, but said he "has kind of a troubled past — I can tell you that — and we are not convinced he acted alone."

Officials have a photograph of a second "person of interest," a 50-year-old white male, Dupnik said."We have an individual we are actively in pursuit of, but I cannot tell you who he is at this point," the sheriff said.

The suspect still had ammunition in his weapon when he was tackled, Dupnik said. Law enforcement officials had previous contact with the suspect and he had made threats, the sheriff said.

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/132764367/congresswoman-shot-in-arizona
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:55 PM
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5. neither did JFK's or MLK's assassins
but leave that for another thread (I finished reading Family of Secrets today btw)

Dupnik also addressed right-wing "vitriol" in that conference. He's also spoken out against SB1070, IIRC.
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Harry Hope Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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6. There May Be a Second Person Involved
Source: Tuscon Weekly


Saturday, January 8, 2011

Dupnik: There May Be a Second Person Involved

by Jimmy Boegle


Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik says that law enforcement has a reason to believe another person is involved in the shootings of Judge John Roll, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others today. "We’re not convinced that he acted alone," he said at a news conference at Westward Look resort.

He confirmed that there were 19 people injured and that six people are dead.
He also refused to identify any suspects, although the name of shooter Jared Lee Loughner has been widely reported.

He said that two "brave individuals" tackled the shooter, and that Roll was in the wrong place at the wrong time, as he'd simply shown up to say hello to his friend Giffords.

Update: He said a semi-automatic weapon was used and that all 19 victims were shot. He also angrily denounced the vitriolic political climate of today—especially in Arizona. "We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry," he said.



Read more: http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2011/01/08/dupnik-there-may-be-a-second-person-involved
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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7. Okay, the RW echo chamber will focus on his use of "Mecca". They'll
have mock-outraged Muslims on their shows saying that it was inappropriate to use Mecca in that context.

What do you bet that'll happen?
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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8. Kind of funny since they say all Muslims are jihadists and terrorists...
Of course, they never shy away from hypocrisy.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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11. Yep, and that hypocrisy is what makes it inevitable. nt
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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20. Mmm hmm... a white man talking about gold standard and Mein Kampf?
Hmm...
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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9. If this happened in a Safeway there is probably security video footage of the attack
I hope they identify and catch any accomplices.
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verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 12:06 PM
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24. In Tucson, Cameras are everywhere
The streets are lined with cameras to watch for speeders. I've no doubt they have plenty of photographs of the suspects arriving to that parking lot, and the crime as it happened.

http://www.pima.gov/Administration/SpeedEnforcement/enforcement.html
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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10. I wonder if there were more than one kind of caliber bullets found
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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12. They don't know the identity, but they have a picture:
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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13. But she's a wasp terrorist-doesn't count.
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PerpetuallyDazed Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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14. I would not be surprised if it eventually came out that this second figure
was somehow manipulating (or at least encouraged) the actions of this disturbed individual. I think we may be looking at the real teabagger behind the schizophrenic here.
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kudzu22 Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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15. I'd be really surprised if there were more involved
In my experience, lunatics like JLL usually act alone. It's really hard to find another person who shares the exact same delusions that you do.
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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16. You don't need to share the same delusions, you just have to know how to
manipulate those delusions.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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17. OKC wasn't done by one guy
They could only prove those two.
But you can be sure the militia was involved, but they couldn't prove it.
these lunatics scare the ever-living fuck out of me.

Has anyone else noticed it's only the liberals and/or Democrats who are getting gunned down?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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18. why the Oklahoma bombing was two or more people, and many conspired to help the doctor killers
it easily could be a conspiricy between people are not equally competant
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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19. There were two in the Columbine High School shooting.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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21. DC sniper.....
Young impressionable shooter,older influential handler.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 10:05 AM
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22. DO NOT BE SILENT
Do not remain silent.

Conservatives certainly will not speak out.

They will blame the lone, solitary, shooter...

They will blame liberal society...

They will blame anything and everything but modern-day conservatism, which preaches that liberals and democrats are the bona fide enemies of America and threats to the nation's very existence.

And as long as that is the case, the bodies will continue to pile up.

And that leaves it to us to speak out.

We need not mince words - it is vital that we speak clearly and succinctly and firmly.

Conservatism must evolve.

It must change.

To believe otherwise is to help pass around the nails for the next coffin in which the next liberal democrat will be buried in.

No one was out there speaking about the radical right-wing elements that threaten our civil society until Janet Napolitano issued a DHS report warning about extremists that might resort to violence - a report which conservatives across the country demanded to be immediately rescinded. Now that we have seen a series of right-wing assassinations take place, the original DHS report looks, in hindsight, to have been very timely and prescient.

We have seen Jim David Adkisson open fire upon the congregation of the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church with a sawed-off shotgun, killing two, simply because he opposed the all-inclusive nature of the church, and of the church's liberal teachings. Adkisson wrote in a letter which he assumed would be his last, "I thought I’d do something good for this country — kill Democrats ‘til (sic) the cops kill me.” His hatred for his fellow Americans could not be contained: “Liberals are a pest like termites, millions of them … the only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is kill them in the streets, kill them where they gather.”

James von Brunn, a radical right-winger from Maryland sought to turn the nation's Holocaust Museum into a symbol for his particular brand of racism, when he went there with the intent to kill blacks and Jews, as an example to the rest of white America to emulate. Luckily for those visitors inside of the museum, the first man von Brunn decided to open fire upon was a black man who had the ability to return the favor, and so no one besides than the very heroic Stephen T. Johns died that day.

Shawna Forde, and two other members of the anti-immigrant Minutman group which she founded, the ''Minutemen American Defense,'' decided that one way to finance her burgeoning organization was to dress up as law enforcement agents, and to rob Mexican immigrants. When Shawna and her compatriots illegally entered the home of Raul Flores, and demanded money, the head of the family ordered the trio to leave, prompting the radical right-wingers to put a bullet into the head of little 9 year old Brisenia Flores, and into the head of her father. Unluckily for the conservative killers, Brisenia's mother was able to barricade herself in her bedroom, where she kept a handgun, and she was able to keep at bay her would be assassins until the real police arrived.

Richard Poplawski opened fire on police officers during a domestic disturbance call, in April of 2009, killing three of them.

Why?

The 23 year-old right-winger feared that the President was poised to take away his hand guns.

Just a few days after that shoot-out, two sheriff’s deputies in northern Florida were shot and killed by Joshua Cartwright who later was fatally shot by other deputies. The reason, according to Cartright's wife, was because Joshua "believed that the US Government was conspiring against him," and, according to her, he had been severely disturbed that Barack Obama had been elected President.

The list of victims from right-wing terror does not stop there.

It goes on, and on.

Doctor George tiller.

Arkansas Democratic Chairman Bill Gwatney.

Congresswoman Giffords and the other victims of the Tucson shooting are but the latest victims of this madness.

Hours before the shooting spree in Arizona which the took 6 lives including that of a Federal Judge and a 9 year old little girl, Christina Greene (born on 9-11-2001), Representative Peter King, a conservative Republican and the new chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, made clear his intention to use taxpayers' money - our money - to investigate the radicalization of American Muslims, claiming in his zeal to persecute American Muslims, that "These are very legitimate hearings."

But since the day little Christina was brought into this world, on that fateful September morning, the number of victims who have been laid to rest due to domestic jihad pales when compared to those who have been killed by conservative terrorists during little Christina's 9 years on earth.

For moderate conservatives to hide these blood-thirsty radicals within their ranks behind the legitimate dissent of the anti-abortion lobby, or of that of any other conservative movement, be it anti-immigration, or advocates for 2d Amendment Rights, and to deny any responsibility for help in fostering these lunatic's bizarre views, doesn't help the conservative lobbies attain their aims and goals...

It, instead, helps the radical conservative terrorists attain theirs.

We should be there, in Washington DC, on the day Rep. King begins his American Muslim witch hunt.

We should be there to tell him with a thunderous voice that we know who the real domestic threats to America are.

Del Wasso,
Rockford Coffee Party Coordinator,
Rockford, Illinois,
www.rockfordcoffeeparty.org
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savalez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 11:40 AM
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23. Here is a photo of the second suspect
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