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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:38 AM
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Gabrielle Giffords Shooting: Gunman Linked to Grammar 'Judge'
Source: Guardian UK

Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Gunman linked to grammar 'judge'

Activist apparently shared Jared Lee Loughner's obsession with grammar and mind-control theories


Peter Walker
guardian.co.uk, Monday 10 January 2011 11.42 GMT

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Former friends have recounted that Loughner had a fixation for grammar and words, saying that he challenged Giffords at a previous public meeting with the impenetrable question: "What is government if words have no meaning?" In one of his video diatribes posted on the internet, he said: "The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar. You control your English grammar structure."

Some reports have connected this with the arguments of David Wynn Miller – or as he styles himself, Judge David-Wynn: Miller – whose near-impenetrable, capital letter-heavy website expounds the notion that grammar is used to control the populace, and that by inserting colons or hyphens into your name you can escape taxable status by becoming a "prepositional phrase".

While a small number of defendants have previously sought, without success, to use Wynn Miller's methods to defend themselves against tax avoidance charges, he has until now remained largely unknown outside of far-right US circles. His name was connected to the Loughner inquiry when an official from the Southern Poverty Law Centre, which monitors extremist groups, told US television that it seemed Loughner had been "getting some of his key ideas from David Wynn Miller".

Wynn Miller claims to have 1 billion adherents worldwide. In interviews he agreed that he and Loughner shared beliefs on grammar and that it was possible that the latter had read his website. But he dismissed as "ridiculous" the idea that this could have inspired the mass shooting. There is no evidence thus far that Loughner knew of Wynn Miller or his beliefs.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/10/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-grammar-extremist?CMP=twt_fd
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:44 AM
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1. That is one of the most incomprehensible websites I've seen
It's not quite as bad as the 'timecube' one, but it's not far off. Loughner's videos were a model of clarity compared to it.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:31 AM
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12. A bottle of Doctor Bronner's 18-in-1 Pure Castile Soap makes more sense (and reads better, too!). nt
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:23 PM
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14. Hey! I actually LEARNED things from a Dr. Bronner's bottle.
Pointless syllogisms... not so much.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 02:29 PM
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17. Agreed.
Makes Lee Mercer, Jr. look sane and articulate in comparison.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:53 AM
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2. But you gotta admire the originality of the tax evasion theroy.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:29 PM
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19. Right along with magic shirts that stop bullets.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:50 PM
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22. I honestly had that thought when I typed my response.
Guess the ghost Dancers were the original "tinfoil" users, so to speak.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 08:21 PM
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23. Great minds think alike.
unfortunately, Lemmings do too. :hi:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:55 AM
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3. 'largely unknown outside of far-right US circles'. nt
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:03 AM
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4. thought I'd heard most conspiracies
but never heard of Miller. Grammar being used for mind control? We're all going to die next year and he's talking about grammar?

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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:10 AM
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:15 AM
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6. That is bizzare.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:49 AM
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7. Another far right connection for the shooter?
Seems there are more and more of them coming out by the hour.
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lobodons Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:09 AM
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10. But what about that girl
But what about that girl who last saw him in 2007 who said he was liberal. The righties have been citing her all weekend.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 12:28 PM
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15. She lied.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 09:57 AM
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8. Man yells at clouds. nt
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:08 AM
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9. Another of JL Loughner's RW connections: blatant, idiotic hypocrisy. How the Sam Hill can the guy
responsible for the following sentence claim to know anything about grammar: "The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar. You control your English grammar structure."?

Or do he and Sarah Palin collaborate on the technique of using atrocious grammar in a clever Jedi mind trick to stymie government mind control? :sarcasm:
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:10 AM
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11. I don't know how anyone can tie a political ideology to such a batshit insane idea
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 10:11 AM by davepc
What is it about linguistics as a mind control device that makes it some sort of inherent 'right-wing' idea?

Sometimes crazy doesn't fit on the spectrum.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:09 AM
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13. I am guessing its the
Anti-tax portion of it. If I read that rats nest right, there is also a goodly bit of anti-gvt incomprehensibility in there. Thats probably what the linkage is, at a guess
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 02:18 PM
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16. ?
that by inserting colons or hyphens into your name you can escape taxable status by becoming a "prepositional phrase".

I can't argue with that. Really, I can't.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 05:44 PM
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20. ROFL. My reaction exactly. Become a prepositional phrase, right? nt
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 04:33 PM
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18. It kinda explains the gibberish on his videos
I visited the "judges" website and it's just plain :crazy:
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 07:49 PM
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21. .
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 07:50 PM by Anakin Skywalker
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