Prof. Called 911 on Loughner after Class "Rant"

[RamboLiberal]

Source: CBS News

Debbie Scheidemantel got to know Jared Loughner when he was a student in her biology class at Tucson's Pima Community College last summer.

The adjunct professor says she once had to call police and have Loughner removed from her class.

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She explained, "I was collecting papers that were due at the beginning of class. A different student had realized he forgot his paper and asked if he could turn it in late, and I said he could, but it would be half-credit. Then Jared realized that he didn't have his assignment. He raised his hand, and asked if he could turn it in late. And I said, yes, but for half-credit. At that point, he was upset, he said, 'No, I want full credit.' And I said, 'No, it's half-credit, it's part of the policy, it's spelled out in the syllabus.'

"Students understand this," Scheidemantel said. "But he didn't seem to, and he pointed at the flag, and the Constitution up at the front of the room and said that I was taking away his freedom of speech, I was taking away his individual rights, that it was unconstitutional. He was saying that, you know, he's paying me, and therefore I'm taking away his freedom of speech if I don't give him full credit. Well, I did calm him down. And I told him, you know, at that point, we couldn't resolve it real quick, so I said, you know, talk to me at the break. And he seemed to calm down. And class started."

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"Class started and, five minutes later, he raised his hand. I guess he got the idea. He asked, 'Could I go to the library and do the assignment and come back before class is over and turn it in for full credit?' And I said, 'No, that it would be half-credit, because it was due at the beginning.' And again, he started his rant about the Constitution, pointing to the flag, pointing to the Constitution up at the front of the room, and at that point, he wouldn't stop, so I asked the students to be calm and wait, and at that point I went to the next room, and alerted my lab staff that there was a situation, and I called 911."






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[KillCapitalism]

1. The constitution does not solve all of life's problems.

Why do RW'ers think it does?

This is the kind of dope that would consult the constitution for a case of the flu and conclude that the viruses had violated his rights and should be sued or something like that.

[valerief]

4. I wonder how many RWers pray to the flag.

:rofl:

[JJ]

14. What a disturbing thought!

[jbnow]

16. Snow has often violated my rights and I plan on suing

and that is sane
But this guy really had some poor impulse control or a poor grasp of what is appropriate behavior. Even if you honestly believed some right was being violated you don't have a continued tantrum during a class.

I wish he'd broken a window or something then, maybe he'd have been arrested and something would have changed the course of events...

[wordpix]

20. beginning to think the reading of the Const. had more to do with "2nd Amendmt remedies" than

anything else in the repugs' pea brains

[Doctor_J]

2. Unfortunately if the authorities spoke to this guy, hate radio would

be screaming that his rights were being violated by Big Government.

[Endangered Specie]

3. Jeez, there were many warning signs with this guy!

[XanaDUer]

5. "He's paying me"

This seems to be the new consumer-driven meme among students. A relative who is a college professor hears this all the time from students who are failing.

[RainDog]

17. it's right wing "privatization" of American life

it's part of their rationale for not providing health care or a social safety net.

it's part of their rationale to give away America's roads to foreign corporations to manage and collect tolls - while using taxpayer dollars to fund this move to the total loss of the American commons.

it's part of the drive to move to charter schools and away from public education for children.

it's part of the drive to eliminate social security.

and it's a problem when Democrats start to parrot the same sort of distorted reasoning as a rationale to further diminish the lives of the poorest and neediest in this land.

sorry, but that's the truth - this current push for charter schools is DIRECTLY related to right wing memes like the one your relative hears at the university level.

[phantom power]

6. "The Party of Personal Responsibility"

:rofl:

[JJW]

7. 911?

He needed professional mental help. We need to be educated about how to handle people suffering from mental health issues.

[CLANG]

8. Did you expect her to lead the class in Kumbaya?

Calling 911 was appropriate if she felt the class was in danger, or if he was disrupting the class that he would need to be "helped out" of the building.

[DeSwiss]

15. "He needed professional mental help..."

- http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html">Reagan http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/ronald-reagan-the-bad-and-the/">ended http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/2/1/14.full.pdf">that.

[kath]

22. The frickin' POLICE should have notified mental health officials,

and from what I read elsewhere here about the mental health system in AZ, he then would have had to have had an evaluation.
Shouldn't the cops know this???

[Hatchling]

24. I had a friend who committed suicide in Arizona.

SHe told them she was suicidal and needed to be admitted in order to be safe. She was evaluated and found not to be a threat to herself or others. She hung herself in front of the mental health facility that refused to admit her.

I was deeply saddened by her loss but was proud (in a perverse way) at her final statement.

Yeah, Arizona mental health has sucked for a loooong time.

[Le Taz Hot]

23. Her FIRST priority was the safety

of her students. She did EXACTLY the right thing. Remove him from possibly harming others, THEN get him the help he needs.

[Crowman1979]

9. Now how in the hell was the shooter NOT influenced by violent teabagger ideas?

The shooter was a Liberal MY ASS!

[indimuse]

10. stoopid liberal!

:sarcasm:

[earcandle]

11. Sounds like Tea PArty talking points to me.

[glinda]

13. Wonder how much of this he learned from his family let alone the Right talkers.

[Strelnikov_]

21. Agree. He is a Bagger n/t

[goforit]

12. Obsessive compulsive.

[RainDog]

18. that is not an example of obsessive-compulsive behavior

sorry, but it's simply not.

poor impulse control and a refusal to accept consequences and arguments based upon right wing talking points is not the same as obsessive compulsive.

[goforit]

19. repeating same argument (constitution)over and over as he did is

Repetitive violent thoughts are also a sign of OCD.

There is a huge spectrum of OCD. Some are channeled in positive directions like doctors/surgeons
and some are not.

But his inability to speak without reason as well, shows schizophrenia.