Cheney says Obama has 'learned from experience' that Bush policies were right

[kpete]

Source: The Hill

Cheney says Obama has 'learned from experience' that Bush policies were right
By Daniel Strauss - 01/17/11 05:18 PM ET

President Obama has “learned from experience” that some of the Bush administration’s decisions on terrorism issues were necessary, according to former Vice President Dick Cheney.

In his first interview since undergoing major heart surgery last July, Cheney said he thinks Obama has been forced to rethink some of his national security positions now that he sits in the Oval Office.

"I think he's learned that what we did was far more appropriate than he ever gave us credit for while he was a candidate. So I think he's learned from experience. And part of that experience was the Democrats having a terrible showing last election."

Cheney also asserted that Obama has learned that the prison at Guantanamo Bay simply cannot be closed, despite the promises he made while campaigning for the White House.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/138341-cheney-obama-has-learned-from-experience-that-bush-moves-were-necessary

[Dennis Donovan]

1. He's still alive?

Who knew?:shrug:

[rhett o rick]

16. Define "alive". nm

[madmax]

20. My first thought, also. n/t

[Jack Rabbit]

59. Cheney has always been undead.

!!

[Solly Mack]

2. Uh...uh...uh

I need coffee.

[divine_truine]

30. ANYTHING COMING OUT OF THIS MAGGOT'S CRANIAL ORIFICE MEANS THE EXACT OPPOSITE!

prickcheney is wrong once again!

[Angry Dragon]

3. Anytime cheney agrees with someone

it is then time to really question if what they are doing is best for this country

[Lint Head]

4. Gave him credit? This prick has no credibility when it comes

to sacrificing human lives. He should be in prison period!

[Autumn]

5. How fucking sad is this

:puke: The bastard is right. Many of their policies have been kept in place while expanding others:

""They've gotten active, for example, with the drone program, using Predator and the Reaper to launch strikes against identified terrorist targets in the various places in the world."



:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[cliffordu]

6. Isn't this motherfucker dead yet?

[ProSense]

7. It's sad that this

man still feels the need to go around spewing BS.

Cheney is full of shit.

President Obama Correctly Rebukes Congressional Attempt To Hinder Transfer Of Guantánamo Detainees To U.S.

[Dystopian]

8. For Once.

He's right.
Very twisted...Sad but true.



peace~

[ProSense]

10. Cheney isn't right

"Cheney says Obama has 'learned from experience' that Bush policies were right"

Cheney is simply trying to validate Bush's policies. If this is what President Obama was doing, this sick bastard wouldn't need to go on a "we were right" tour.

[Dystopian]

24. I agree. Cheney isn't right.

But he's right in saying that Obama is continuing the policies.
That's all...
No change.



peace~

[ProSense]

32. Still don't agree

Being in the process of trying to end something is not the same as approving of it.

Some of the policies haven't been reversed, but Cheney is inaccurate to claim that President Obama "'learned from experience' that Bush policies were right" or that "the prison at Guantanamo Bay simply cannot be closed."

Cheney is simply full of shit.






Edited for clarity.

[Dystopian]

40. If Cheney approves of the way Obama is carrying on bush policies...

That says it all as far as I'm concerned.
We all knew this was happening before Cheney chimed in.
I don't need his 2¢ to get it.
Obama is going with the flow...
He's not the man I thought I was voting for.

peace~

[ProSense]

41. Cheney's doesn't approve of anything. He's spinning his ass off. Here:

Cheney says.

[Dystopian]

43. Different OP/thread

From this OP:

The former vice president cited the Obama administration’s expanded use of drones in Pakistan as more evidence of continuity from the policies of the Bush White House.
"As I say, I think he's found it necessary to be more sympathetic to the kinds of things we did," Cheney said. "They've gotten active, for example, with the drone program, using Predator and the Reaper to launch strikes against identified terrorist targets in the various places in the world."

This is what I'm referring to...
This, and all the other horrific illegal bush policies that continue....
Murder and torture, etc, etc.....the list goes on.


But.
Obama is a great orator.
I'll give him that much.



peace~

[ProSense]

44. Again,

Cheney is trying to cover his ass. His point is that "we were right" and "we weren't that bad."

Bush and Cheney created the problem.

[Dystopian]

45. Yes, they did.

And supposedly Obama was going for change.
I admit it. I was taken in by the talk.
Change we can believe in.
Yes we can.
blah, blah, blah.

I've seen enough.
Cheney is covering his ass.
Obama is covering Cheney's ass.
His ass is completely and forever covered.
Makes me ill.


peace~

[ProSense]

48. Why would Cheney

feel the need to constantly declare himself vindicated if he actually believed it?

"His ass is completely and forever covered."

Then maybe he could crawl back under his rock.

[ProudDad]

66. Nope, Cheney is a capitalist true believer

as is Obama...

No surprise there...

[rhett o rick]

53. Why wont Pres Obama see that the war criminals are prosecuted? Plez dont give me the "let's move

forward" bullshit. Imagine someone that robs a 7-11 gets to the judge and says, "judge, let's move forward and not look back".

Do you want to see Bush/Cheney prosecuted? What is the DLC stand on this issue?

[ProSense]

57. "What is the DLC stand on this issue?"

How the fuck would I know?

You can always contact the President with your opinion on what he should do.

[rhett o rick]

61. He wont listen to me. He has proven that time and again. The DLC has his ear.

How do you feel about prosecuting Bush/Cheney? How do you feel about the current treatment of Bradley Manning? How do you feel about the Patriot Act?

[No Elephants]

68. He has said he is a New Democrat. Any difference between DLC and New Dems?

[No Elephants]

67. the DLC supported the invasion of Iraq.

[MrMickeysMom]

9. I think he learned one thing...

... Cheney should be a learning experience...

Send him to fucking jail, then take away his excellent health care system.

[indimuse]

11. lol!!! nt...

[mbperrin]

12. Why does the media keep reporting "heart" surgeries and treatments

for him, when it's clear he has neither a heart, nor a brain, nor courage. He is an out and out fuckhead, however.

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. Excellent Rolling Stone article on cheney's ruthless rise to power

proves you are correct in your opinion.
I learned a lot about his Nixon/ford machinations reading this.

http://truthspring.info/2007/06/23/the-curse-of-dick-cheney/

[goforit]

13. Unbelievable! A horses ass all the way to the end.

[postulater]

14. That is one consequence of not prosecuting him. He gets the opportunity to make himself look right

by rewriting history.

[Faygo Kid]

15. +1

Please, God, let me outlive that evil man (Rush too, while you're at it).

[Skittles]

17. JAYSUS

this is the fucking shit you get when you DON'T HOLD ANYONE ACCOUNTABLE :puke:

[Nay]

29. Zakly. When we don't call them out on their bullshit and CONTINUE

their disastrous policies, they can legitimately claim that the Dems think the bullshit is A-OK. :puke:

I hope they don't wonder why a lot of us don't bother to go out and vote in 2012.

[kath]

58. +a brazillion.

Thanks so much, Prez O, for REHABILITATING the frickin' Repugs, who should have been in the wilderness for decades after how badly they screwed up the country during the W years. Thanks a fuckin' lot!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. I think I need to go and throw up

[KoKo]

50. No.! This post is hightly recommended. I even gave it a K&R...

It's exactly what Cheney says that's good about Obama.

[ensemble]

19. learning from experience...

implies Obama changed policy, saw things deteriorate, then went back to how things were.
I don't think that describes what has happened.

But it doesn't surprise me that Cheney does not understand the concept of learning from experience.

[Ticonderoga]

21. Is there no escape from this War Criminal loser's nonsense?

[davidthegnome]

22. What a Dick

For some reason just seeing the OP title made me laugh. I don't know if it's due to the fact that Cheney is still kicking and (sadly) still talking out of his ass, or due to the fact that Obama actually HAS carried on many Bush policies.

I suppose when it comes to some kinds of idiocy, you can either laugh or cry.

[defendandprotect]

23. Guess they didn't replace Cheney's "heart" .... ???

Maybe his next lifetime will be as an Iraqi?

[CLANG]

39. Don't you think the poor Iraqis have suffered enough?

[Jefferson23]

25. I'd love to hear Obama's reaction to this...gotta love that bipartisanship

you've worked so hard for huh?

[lovuian]

26. He is saying see everyone Obama is our friend

torture what torture???

[Kelvin Mace]

27. The truly sad part of this

is Cheney is right. Obama is continuing Bush/Cheney policies, using Bush/Cheney logic.

Torture and other war crimes are, by default, legal.

[grahamhgreen]

28. Cheney endorses Obama - change we can believe in.

[ZombieHorde]

31. President Obama does seem to be continuing Bush's terrorist strategies,

except for the rhetoric. President Obama's rhetoric seems much more mature than Bush's rhetoric.

[opihimoimoi]

33. He should fuck himself....How can he call himself Christian??

[LawnKorn]

34. President Obama is finding out how entrenched the defense industry has become in Congress

On January 17, 1961, Eisenhower told us about the Military-industrial complex. Now Dick Cheney, after promoting the no bid contracts for Halliburton, is here to tell us again how the well funded defense contractors own the Congress.

[democracy1st]

72. We're finding out how corp Obama is !

[ixion]

35. Indeed. I hate to agree with Darth Cheney, but he is correct. Obama has been an advocate

of many Bush era policies. It's one of the reasons I'm so disappointed in him.

[Thor_MN]

36. This fucker is now taunting us to prosecute him for his crimes....

[peace13]

37. I assume this interview was from jail!

In my mind it will remain that way! Oh shooter of friend. As you so aptly put it from the house floor....go f......

[shawn703]

42. Whether Obama would agree with that statement or not is irrelevant

He hasn't ordered the prosecution of the Bush criminals who implemented those policies, so he obviously doesn't believe those policies were wrong.

[w4rma]

46. Obama's actions have proved that he believes Cheney's statement to be factually correct.

And that is why I have given up on Obama.

[unkachuck]

47. "...Obama has 'learned from experience'..."

....and what have you 'learned from experience' dickie, corruption pays?

....for all the loss of civil liberties, for all the corrupt evil bushco practices, for all the complicity of the current administration, we should never suffer a loss like 911 ever again....right?

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[diane in sf]

51. Isn't cheney dead yet???

[wordpix]

52. whatever this war criminal says means nothing

:banghead: :puke:

[shanti]

54. what an evil

bastard. he loves rubbing our nose in it :(

[lonestarnot]

55. Hey tin man, you may want to consider a brain and forego the heart.

[faz]

56. If he[1] said he[2]'s right, that means he[2] is wrong

When Cheney praises you, it is not good. It is BAD.

Would there be someone challenging Obama in 2012 primary?

[Javaman]

60. Meh.

he thinks he still matters.

[Marthe48]

62. well, Cheney doesn't need a s**t transplant-

he's already full of it

[lumberjack_jeff]

63. So is it still impermissible to say that Bush and Obama are alike? n/t

[Blue Owl]

64. Wow, Dick's really got his finger on the pulse

or not...

[ProudDad]

65. Cheney's exactly right...

Obama has been bought and paid for by the same interests as the Bush II admin was...

Bush III anyone? :puke:

[robcon]

69. Glenn Greenwald makes the same point.

The vindication of Dick Cheney
By Glenn Greenwald

In the early months of Obama's presidency, the American Right did to him what they do to every Democratic politician: they accused him of being soft on defense (specifically "soft on Terror") and leaving the nation weak and vulnerable to attack. But that tactic quickly became untenable as everyone (other than his hardest-core followers) was forced to acknowledge that Obama was embracing and even expanding -- rather than reversing -- the core Bush/Cheney approach to Terrorism. As a result, leading right-wing figures began lavishing Obama with praise -- and claiming vindication -- based on Obama's switch from harsh critic of those policies (as a candidate) to their leading advocate (once in power).

As early as May, 2009, former Bush OLC lawyer Jack Goldsmith wrote in The New Republic that Obama was not only continuing Bush/Cheney Terrorism policies, but was strengthening them -- both because he was causing them to be codified in law and, more important, converting those policies from right-wing dogma into harmonious bipartisan consensus. Obama's decision "to continue core Bush terrorism policies is like Nixon going to China," Goldsmith wrote. Last October, former Bush NSA and CIA Director Michael Hayden -- one of the most ideological Bush officials, whose confirmation as CIA chief was opposed by then-Sen. Obama on the ground he had overseen the illegal NSA spying program -- gushed with praise for Obama: "there's been a powerful continuity between the 43rd and the 44th president." James Jay Carafano, a homeland-security expert at the Heritage Foundation, told The New York Times' Peter Baker last January: "I don’t think it's even fair to call it Bush Lite. It's Bush. It's really, really hard to find a difference that's meaningful and not atmospheric."

Those are the nation's most extreme conservatives praising Obama's Terrorism policies. And now Dick Cheney himself -- who once led the "soft on Terror" attacks -- is sounding the same theme. In an interview last night with NBC News, Cheney praised Obama for continuing his and Bush's core approach to Terrorism:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/18/cheney/

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[dionysus]

71. lolz.

[lunatica]

73. Just because he made sure to fuck things up so there would be no fixing it

doesn't mean Obama agrees with his views. It just means it's impossible to fix.

What the hell is he doing on TV anyway? Fuck!