Mesa man shot in the head by deputy dies

[Monsoon]

Source: AzCentral

An East Valley man who was shot in the head by a Maricopa County Sheriff's Deputy last week after pointing an assault rifle at a the deputy died Monday from his injuries, officials said.

Felipe Ramirez Castellanos, 43, who sheriff's officials said was an illegal immigrant, was shot once in the in the head and once in the hip after he pointed an AK-47 assault rifle at a deputy responding to a domestic violence incident Friday, Sheriff Joe Arpaio said.

"I praise my deputy for taking proper, professional action," Arpaio said.


The 26-year-old deputy, whose name was not released, has been with MCSO five years, Arpaio said. He was placed on administrative leave while the investigation continues.





Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/2011/01/17/20110117mesa-deputy-shooting-man-dies.html

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Good Gods, how can Arizona allow AK-47's? Haven't they learned anything from the Tucson massacre? I can't wait for the NRA to excuse this.

And dirtbag Arpio praises his deputy of course.

[name not needed]

1. Yeah, that's usually what happens when you point an assault rifle at a police officer.

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[Kaleva]

3. An illegal immigrant had about $20k to spend on an AK-47 assault rifle?

[Curtis]

5. Exageration does no good

For either side of a debate. The average cost of an AK-47 is $600.

http://www.kaycircle.com/Average-Cost-of-an-AK-47-2011

[Kaleva]

7. Not for an AK-47 assault rifle. $600.00 for a semi-auto knockoff version.

AK-47 assault rifles are class III weapons which fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934. One has to go thru an extensive background check that could take months before being able to buy one.

[Art_from_Ark]

9. Or he could have picked one up from a Mexican drug gang

He was convicted of human smuggling at one time, so he was not new to the world of criminal enterprise

[Kaleva]

13. That would be possible but he certainly wouldn't have been able to buy one legally

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Most of those come from the us

[PavePusher]

34. Evidence? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. The US DOJ, but that never works anyway

:sarcasm:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

39. Certainly not the AKs

The full auto ones were never legal in the US. Semi autos it could be possible.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. What SEMAR and SEDENA capture

are semi... or semi bought in the US, (gun shows and the Southwest storse) that are later, at times, not always. modified. Yes, they have the gunsmiths.

[Confusious]

14. You can by a Semi-automatic AK-47 knockoff

And then make a simple modification to make it automatic.

Of course, it's illegal, but that's hasn't stopped people from posting it on the web.

[Kaleva]

18. One would be foolish to attempt such a thing.

It takes an experienced and well equipped gunsmith to be able to convert legal semi-automatic AK-47s into rifles capable of full auto.

"To manufacture an AK as a semi auto weapon, a different fire control group is used; a different bolt carrier is used; and the receiver is machined slightly differently. You as a civilian cannot legally find any way on earth to convert your lawfully-purchased semi-auto AK to full auto."

http://www.gunco.net/forums/f3/reminder-why-you-cant-dont-want-convert-your-ak-full-auto-540/

"Now, let's say you're one of those adventurous people who likes to go tell people that all you have to do is file down the disconnector so it won't grab the hammer and you have "instant full-auto".

Here's why that's not wise:

1. It's illegal. You will be decades older by the time you get out of Federal Prison for doing it. There is no parole in Federal Prison. Twenty Years is twenty years. I'm not saying that's the sentence you'll get, buy you understand my point. Firing more than one round with one pull of the trigger may be fun, but it's not worth being married to a guy covered with tattoos for several years.


2. It's dangerous. I deal a lot with gunsmiths; I read a lot of engineering literature on firearms. I understand how firearms work and don't work. I have repaired my own personally-owned AK's. I know what breaks them and what fixes them. Over the last ten years, I have also rubbed elbows with enough gunsmiths who have had to "fix" home hobbyists' misguided projects that I know enough not to EVER want to convert a semi-auto AK to full auto.

The AK-47 action is not "timed" . We all know about revolvers, and how they are "timed" so that the round is not fired until the cylinder has locked on a fresh chamber, and the chamber is lined up properly.

A full-auto AK-47 has an extra lever just forward of the hammer that holds the hammer back until the bolt is fully closed and locked. It also prevents the hammer from falling unless the round is fully seated in the chamber. This is to prevent the gun from firing "out of battery", and possibly blowing pieces of the firearm into your face. Because the AK action is not "timed", the hammer could very well fall too soon without this lever holding the hammer back until tripped by the bolt carrier.

This is why a full-auto AK has different parts: it requires a special hammer and a special bolt carrier to interact with this trip lever.

When an AK is manufactured in semi-auto only, the little lug on the bolt carrier that trips any full-auto lever is machined off. Plus, the hammer on a semi-auto only AK is machined not to allow that little trip lever to fit under the front of it; not to mention the fact that the receiver does not have the extra hole required for that trip lever to be installed.

Sometimes, manufacturers of semi-auto only AK's also machine off a little tab on the rear of the disconnector, and the corresponding tab on the safety lever that pushes the disconnector out of the way so it doesn't grab the hammer on a full-auto gun.

So, you, as the home gunsmith about to take his life in his hands, decides to "file" down something to make the gun full auto.

Assuming that when you file down the disconnector, the gun doesn't just stop firing at all as the hammer follows the bolt carrier into battery, you have just created a bomb patiently waiting to blow your face off.

Since the AK action is not "timed", your little file job has created a situation where there is NOTHING to prevent that round from firing as soon as the bolt face touches it. The hammer falls with the bolt carrier, and so will detonate the primer as soon as it can, whether the round is chambered and the bolt is closed or not. So instead of that full auto AK you always wanted, you now have one that will eventually kill or injure you or bystanders the first time it fires a round out of battery.

That is why you don't want to illegally convert your semi-auto AK to full auto.

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On a similar subject, those of you who read the above carefully realize that there is nothing to prevent a semi-auto AK from firing out of battery either. This is technically true, but the tolerances of the AK-47 are loose enough that I have literally never heard of an AK firing out of battery (I'm not saying it's never happened--just that I've never heard of it).

The lack of "timing" is not an issue, since "timing" only applies to full-auto fire. The disconnector will hold the hammer on a semi-auto AK until you let go of it, and it is humanly impossible to let go of the disconnector faster than the action can cycle. So this is not a problem.

The one worry might be that if your AK gets so full of crud that the bolt won't close properly, then you might have a problem with firing out of battery, but I have literally fired hundreds of rounds through AK's without cleaning them, and I've never had a problem. Suffice it to say; clean your weapon occasionally, and if you drop it in goop so that the bolt lugs might be gunked up enough to prevent the bolt from closing, then your gun needs a thorough cleaning before you try to fire it again. Otherwise, don't worry about it."

[Confusious]

21. But the point was, it was an AK

semi-auto though. Anything that looks like an AK, is usually called an AK.

[Kaleva]

26. True but...

I think the press ought to do a better job in reporting as the stories give the public the perception that the nation is awash in AK-47s capable of full auto fire and that they are cheap and easy to buy which is not the case.

[Confusious]

31. It sounded to me like you couldn't believe

Someone could have anything that looked like an AK47.

Whether it was full auto, semi-auto or a single shot, the officer had a gun pointed at him.

[Confusious]

24. Oh, I just read the instructions again

You don't need to do any machining. Just a twist tie.

[Kaleva]

28. It'd be safer and legal just to learn how to bump fire.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=bump+fire

[PavePusher]

33. Feel free to scan and post that.

I'm not sure you're correct about that.

[Xithras]

40. To convert a semi to a full auto, you'd need a machine shop...

And if you have a machine shop, you can just as easily make a Sten or any number of other handbuilt automatic sub-machine guns from scratch and save yourself the initial $600 investment in the SKS knockoff.

You can find the full plans for a half dozen different fully automatic homebuilt rifle designs floating around the Internet, and most can be assembled in just a few days. Ironically, many of them are actually SAFER to fire than a modified AK knockoff because, unlike the AK knockoff, they're actually designed to be full auto and usually have features to prevent them from firing when the bolt is open.

[Kaleva]

15. The Gun Control Act of 1968 made it illegal to import AK-47 assault rifles

"The Gun Control Act of 1968 ceased import of foreign manufactured fully automatic firearms for civilian sales and possession effectively halting further importation of civilian accessible AK-47 rifles. In 1986, an amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act stopped all future domestic manufacture of fully automatic weapons for civilian use."

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/AK-47_-_Legal_status_in_the_USA/id/4761248

$600.00 for an assault rifle that's been illegal to produce in the US since 1986 and import into this nation since 1968? I highly doubt it.

[Confusious]

16. You can get a semi-automatic knockoff and make it automatic

I bought a semi-automatic knockoff AK-47 in Arizona.

Never made it automatic. Did look it up though.

[Kaleva]

20. Read post #19

[PavePusher]

22. Cite? n/t

[Confusious]

23. For what? My personal experience in buying a gun?

Or turning a semi-automatic to full auto? I would rather not post a link.

Google "semi-automatic to full auto" It'll be the first thing.

[PavePusher]

25. If you mean this place:

---.hackcanada.com/ice3/misc/ak47mod.txt (DO NOT OPEN LINK!!!)

I get a "Malicous Web Site" alert from my browser. No thanks.

The second one: http://www.weaponscombat.com/full-auto-conversion requires payment for the downloads.

Anyway, I've seen such manuals at gun shows. Every one had a screaming warning on the very first page saying that the conversion was illegal and very possibly dangerous to the user. They also universally required several hours of machining and welding by an experienced gunsmith or machinist with the proper tooling.

Can it be done? Sure.

Is it "easy"? Not for the average layman.

Is it legal? Heh....

Is it safe? Duh.

[Confusious]

30. You got a bad browser

Or some other piece of crap software if it won't open a text file. Ain't no virus ever been passed through a text file.

And really, the only thing I was going for was can it be done?

I was just curious if it could be done, the mechanism for the full auto and the semi auto looked the same.

[PavePusher]

35. Correction, my security software, not my browser.

And it said "website", not file. So I'll skip, thanks.

Feel free to post it here for public examination.

[Confusious]

43. I'm not going to pst it it

If you look at the end of the URL it is "ak47mod.txt"

that is what your browser will be opening.

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[bluedigger]

6. It is hard to believe, isn't it?

They've had over a week now to legislate against them and go round them all up.:eyes:

+1 for consistently bad reporting on firearms by the MSM. AK-47 my ass.

[Doctor_J]

8. AZ turning into the Wild West

[PavePusher]

10. Oreely? Cite to evidence for your "comparison"? n/t

[PavePusher]

11. Learn what? Was an AK-type weapon used in the Tucson shooting?

Can you name more than 10 states that ban these rifles? Can you name any?

Why should they be banned?

[PavePusher]

12. What is wrong with the police shooting a man who actually pointed a weapon at them?

What would you have had them do?

Come on, Monday-morning quaterbacks want to know...

[Monsoon]

17. Tazer, rubber bullets, shoot him in the knee, teargas?

Something non-lethal at least, the victim was a visitor to our country after all.

[PavePusher]

19. It's been a long day..

and I was about to compose a scathing reply, until the snark sunk in.

Well played, good Citizen!

:toast:

[Supply Side Jesus]

36. Shoot in the knee?? LMAO

turn off the TV and tune into the real world

[chrisa]

38. He should have karate chopped him and knocked him out.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Threat matrix

when somebody comes at you with a gun... lethal force IS AUTHORIZED.

[Doctor_J]

37. Nothing

The police acted as they should in this case. I don't understand the outrage in this thread. If you point a weapon at the police, you should not come out of the altercation alive.

[MrSlayer]

27. Nothing says "I'm tired of living" quite like pointing an AK at a cop.

Seems that Mr. Castellanos received exactly what he was asking for. If the story is accurate.

[Kaleva]

29. Suicide by cop.