Gunman shoots four cops in Detroit precinct

[SpartanDem]

Source: Detroit Free Press

Four police officers in Detroit’s Northwestern District were shot this afternoon when a gunman came in and opened fire, the Free Press has learned.

According to Sgt. Todd Eby, the gunman walked in at about 4:20 p.m. with a pistol grip shotgun. Unprovoked, he just started shooting, said Eby, who was sitting at his desk when the gunfire erupted.
Eby said officers in the building returned fire, killing the man.

Shot were Commander Brian Davis, Sgt. Ray Saati and Officer David Anderson, Eby said. A fourth person, a female sergeant whose name was not released, was also hit. The four have been transported to Sinai Grace hospital in Detroit.

Eby called the incident “absolutely horrifying.”

A press conference was scheduled for 6 p.m. Stay with the Free Press for more details.




Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20110123/NEWS05/110123016/1318/Gunman-shoots-four-cops-in-Detroit-precinct

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Sounds like either he had real grudge against police or was looking to commit suicide.

[doc03]

1. An assault weapon ban or a limit on the size of the magazine

wouldn't have made any difference there, would it?

[greiner3]

5. Useless to carry on a converstaion with NRA water carriers.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

20. Just as useless to discuss things with anti civil rights opportunists

[iamthebandfanman]

54. lmao

yeah, the right to be able to kill anything you want as easily as possible.. one of the most valuable civil rights there is no doubt.

[Hoyt]

65. I'm really tired of that "civil rights" rationale the gun proliferation crowd uses.

[Name removed]

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[hack89]

89. But it is a civil right and you need to deal with that simple fact. nt

[Statistical]

98. The right to keep and bear arms IS a Constitutionally protected right.

Period.

It is only an issue because some people simply refuse to accept that.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

82. Self defense is a basic right. The racist roots of gun control are based on the intent to

deny that right to minorities

[rayofreason]

105. I wish...

...more people understood that.

[rfranklin]

56. They were armed and trained and it did them no good...

and they are dead.

[ManiacJoe]

77. Only the criminal died.

The cops were armed; they returned fire; they stopped the attack.

[rfranklin]

91. You're right. I assumed the worst...

It still stings when you get shot. And four were shot before they got the shooter.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. First thing that comes to mind, eh?

How about an expression of sympathy for the victims of this horrendous act?

My thoughts and prayers are with the cops, not a goddamned gun.

[Tesha]

26. It's a damned shame we have to *KEEP OFFERING* expressions of sympathy, ...

...week in and week out.

It might be better if we altered our system so that
expressions of sympathy were no longer required quite
so often.

Tesha

[classof56]

46. And I third that!

Thanks, Tesha.

Peace and blessings.

[molly77]

28. I second that.

[bluerum]

9. How about a full ban? How about no guns at all?

Cause if nothing else works, that's all that is left.

You make the point yourself - inadvertently I think - but your comment leads to that conclusion.

My best to all the injured and damaged.

[Name removed]

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[MichaelHarris]

14. Threats of violence?

When those with noting resort to threats of violence then they truly have nothing.

[Pancho Sanza]

16. I actually agree...advocating a full ban IS a threat of violence.

I'm glad you noticed. :-)

[MichaelHarris]

19. LOL

good luck with that.

[Pancho Sanza]

21. I don't need luck, I have 70% of the American public, the Supreme Court,

~47 states with sane gun laws, and reality on my side. You have the bankrupt Republican Brady Bunch. It seems your wish for luck is 180 degrees out of phase with reality.

[Paladin]

35. I Hope You And Fat Tony Scalia Are Very Happy Together..... (n/t)

[bluerum]

48. Thanks. If I ever need any rusty scrap metal, I will get in touch.

[geckosfeet]

37. And there is nothing progressive about being ignorant either.

[Skip Intro]

49. Guns and ammo are not the problem. Criminals are the problem.

[hack89]

61. Why don't we ban heroin and cocaine while we are at it? nt

[felinetta]

67. David Stockman was on Bill Maher last night. He wants no one to have a gun.

[Name removed]

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[slackmaster]

103. Bullshit

He wants only government employees to have guns.

[Statistical]

99. Gun Bans don't work.

Please don't point to Europe. They had low homicide rates BEFORE banning guns and homicide rates din't improve AFTER banning guns.

The UK has higher violent crime rate than the US. Banning guns didn't change that actually the difference between violent crime rate in UK and US is larger now than 20 years ago (as in worse in UK).

[humblebum]

11. Mexico has a ban on all personal firearms. It certainly stops

the gun play there. (SARCASM)

[Capitalocracy]

23. Yeah, things would've turned out just the same if he had a machine gun. nt

[Edweird]

29. 'Machine guns' have been strictly regulated since the NFA of 1934.

There have been essentially zero crimes committed by lawful 'machine gun' owners.
The AWB only addresses the APPEARANCE of common SEMI AUTO firearms. High capacity magazines were just as available during the ban as they were before, only they generated greater profits for the sellers due to artificially high prices.

[boppers]

64. 'There have been essentially zero crimes committed by lawful 'machine gun' owners.'

How about unlawful (or unknown) ones, then?
http://www.kptv.com/news/22217340/detail.html

[Edweird]

68. "Officers were not able to find the pair after responding to the robbery."

If they did not find the robbers, how exactly did they determine that was a 'machine gun' and not a pistol or 'air soft' gun?

Here's what could easily be what's in the grainy surveillance image:
$9.95

http://www.hobbytron.com/SpringBlackSkorpionMachinePistolFoldingStockAirsoftGun.html

[boppers]

71. ...and then there's these guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

[Edweird]

76. These guys had criminal records and were on probation - they couldn't legally own ANY firearms.

They ESPECIALLY couldn't get licenses for class III (full auto) weapons. They were not even remotely 'lawful'. What about them?

[boppers]

78. My point? That lawful licensing is no real impediment.

Licensing is not the problem.

[Edweird]

79. Anybody with a halfway decent set of machine tools can build a machine gun.

They can also convert any legal semi-auto to full-auto illegally. Whats your plan, to ban metal lathes and drill presses? Lawful owners of class III weapons account for virtually 0% of crime. Criminals will get guns no matter what the law says (as your example shows quite clearly) - breaking the law is what makes them criminals.... 'Prohibition' of things the citizens want has a pretty dismal record here in the US, and it should be clear that we like our guns.

[boppers]

80. Well, lets look over at, oh, pipe bombs, and compare:

How do we keep them from being used daily in crimes? They also aren't complex, and can be built in any decent shop. They're also illegal to have/use without a license (but I think we agree that a license isn't the issue).

However, there aren't mass production lines to create millions of bombs for "hunting". There isn't an active "pipe bomb" lobby. We don't have recreational explosive ranges. We don't make thousands of movies that glorify pipe bombers. There aren't bumper stickers about "cold dead hands" and pipe bombs. We don't give children toy pipe bombs to play with. We don't sell them pre-made at "private shows" without (or even with) background checks. We don't quibble over black paint making a "hunting pipe bomb" into an "assault pipe bomb".

[Edweird]

83. I'm afraid I have no idea what your point is.

Although I will say that I suspect that there are a lot more pipe bombs being made and detonated than you might think. ANFO (what McVeigh used) is an old school hillbilly stump remover......

[boppers]

84. My point is that this is a cultural, not legislative, issue.

I don't doubt that there are lots of pipe bombs being made (and used in crimes, even), but culturally, we don't encourage use and ownership of pipe bombs as an acceptable, or desirable, social value.

[Edweird]

85. So you are suggesting the reason there are over 200,000,000 guns in CIVILIAN

(not counting military/government/law enforcement) ownership is because of a movie? or 'peer pressure'? Seriously? I believe you have your 'chicken' and 'egg' reversed....

[boppers]

86. What would be your alternate view?

Why don't we have millions of pipe bombs? (To use the prior thread topic).

To mix metaphors, what is the horse, and what is the cart?

[Edweird]

123. What is it with you and the pipe bombs? We are talking about guns.

I really don't 'get' the parallel you're trying to draw between guns and pipe bombs.
People own guns because they like them.
Teenagers and rednecks make and detonate pipe bombs... also because they like them.
Pipe bombs are 'single use' devices. They explode.
Guns are durable and can last generations. Exploding guns are not at all popular. People like their hands and eyesight.
There are numerous sports and sporting activities that firearms are suitable for. All I can think of for pipe bombs is 'fishing', but fishing with a pipe bomb is certainly not very sporting.
I have a CCW. I can carry my gun many places. Even with the proper permits for manufacturing and possessing pipe bombs you are still gonna get in a shit ton of trouble if you take it to the store with you.

People like guns. Americans, specifically, like their guns, but we are by no means the only ones. If there were no guns in movies people would still own them. As a corollary, even if there were no guns or knives people would still kill each other. That's why the murder rate in prison is only nominally lower than that of the 'free world'.

[boppers]

128. Hunting with a firearm isn't exactly sporting, either.

Unless, of course, the deer (or whatever) also has a gun. Or pipe bomb, to put in your normal path.

The point about pipe bombs is to highlight the obsession with explosive devices, be it in a pipe, or a barrel.

Guns are reusable pipe bombs. I do not disagree.

[Statistical]

100. The AWB had nothing to do with machineguns.

One would imagine that after 17 years you could inform yourself.

Machineguns (and other NFA weapons) were heavily regulated before the "scary black rifles ban" (AWB).
The AWB "scary black rifles ban" had nothing to do with machineguns.
Machineguns (and other NFA weapons) are still heavily regulated after the "scary black rfiles ban" (AWB) expired.

[pasto76]

30. Uh, a pistol grip shotgun IS an assault weapon.

[Atypical Liberal]

38. No, it isn't.

I own a Winchester Model 12 shotgun. It was my grandfather's. It was manufactured around 1924. It holds 7 shells, I think. It looks very much like this one:



This is a different brand, but similar shotgun. It is functionally identical to my grandfather's shotgun. It just has a pistol grip stock.



This does not magically change it into an "assault weapon".

[sulphurdunn]

52. Your grandad's shotgun

is a fine hunting weapon. The pistol grip weapon you show is much shorter and is designed specifically for shooting people. Other short, pistol grip shotguns have high capacity drum fed magazines. Most of these are semi or full automatic weapons. They definitely are assault weapons. Also, guns like your grandfather's were used in Vietnam and most police cars carry them still. They are not there for shooting birds. The key word here is weapon. All firearms are weapons, first and foremost. Now, a semi-automatic, drum fed shotgun carrying 12 rounds can kill more people quicker than a standard 7 shot pump gun, but both guns can kill lots of people, quickly and efficiently. Edge weapons and even clubs also kill but less efficiently, and their use takes more guts, strength and skill. Guns are far deadlier and have been the world's weapon of choice for centuries when committing mass slaughter for a reason.

[Atypical Liberal]

70. My point is a pistol grip does not make an assault weapon.

Your grandad's shotgun is a fine hunting weapon. The pistol grip weapon you show is much shorter and is designed specifically for shooting people. Other short, pistol grip shotguns have high capacity drum fed magazines. Most of these are semi or full automatic weapons. They definitely are assault weapons.

You can put a pistol grip stock on any shotgun you like. Just adding a pistol grip goes not make it an assault weapon.

My grandfather's Model 12 holds 5 rounds of ammo in a tubular magazine, just like many shotguns do. Some shotguns are made for self-defense, and hold up to 7 rounds, but all of them available for civilian purchase are still longer than 18".

Here is my grandfather's shotgun with a shorter barrel and a bayonet lug:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trench_Shotgun_win12_800.jpg

Is this now magically an assault weapon? It holds the same number of rounds, and is functionally identical.

Also, guns like your grandfather's were used in Vietnam and most police cars carry them still. They are not there for shooting birds.

Yes, they definitely were. The Model 12 is unusual in that it has no trigger disconnect - the gun will fire as long as you pump the action. But the civilian version is functionally identical to the ones used by the police and military.

[PavePusher]

106. "Most of these are semi or full automatic weapons."

Since I know of no full-auto shotgun currently available to the Civilian market, you credibility just took a steep dive.

I have a home defense shotgun much like the one pictured above. Only difference is it doesn't have the pistol grip. Is it an "assault weapon"? I can change barrels on it in a few minutes and have bird/skeet, and rifled slug capability. Is it not a "hunting weapon"?

Guns have also been the choice for self-defense tool for the same reasons you state above.

[chollybocker]

53. Gross.

Keep your porn on your own computer, please.

:eyes:

[Occulus]

90. What, shotguns? My dad fed the family at least one winter using one of those.

Venison all winter, and my mom knew how to cook it. My aunt and her husband came over for dinner one night; my mom made 'porcupines'. If you don't know, it's not actual porcupine meat; it's usually ground beef, rolled into several large oblong balls (about the size and shape of an Idaho potato) and then baked with a thick gravy until fully cooked through. You can also add noodles. Try to find a recipe online; they're easy, tasty, and filling.

She used venison that night, and my aunt just hates venison, but she thought my mom used beef. We also had venison steaks several times. As much as you may hate those guns, a shotgun once helped my parents put meat on the table through the winter. Of course, that's pretty easy to do when Bambi breeds like Thumper :D

I can't find anything wrong with shotguns themselves; the fact that they're so old (and, as the pictures show, in beautiful condition) is worth the visual.

[snooper2]

96. This will make you feel better

[jpak]

58. It has fucking 10 round magazine - it is not meant for hunting

it's a fucking assault weapon

yup

:thumbsdown:

[Atypical Liberal]

74. How so?

It is functionally identical. It fires the same ammunition at the same velocities at the same rate of fire. The Model 12 holds 5 rounds, the Remington 870 holds up to 8.

How does the number of shells it carry change its functionality?

Oh, and you can easily use them for hunting. All you have to do is put a plug in the magazine to limit the number of rounds it will carry.

[sulphurdunn]

88. A short barreled shotgun

with a bayonet lug is a pretty good indication it was designed to shoot people, and plugging the magazine will not make it a good hunting gun even if you use it that way. I agree that the terms used to describe different types of firearms blur easily, especially when they are modified.

[PavePusher]

107. What list of characteristics constitutes an "assault weapon" and why? n/t

[melm00se]

92. All the AWB

did was criminalize what were, for all intents and purposes, scary looking guns.

using the letter of the ban:

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

* Folding or telescoping stock
* Pistol grip
* Bayonet mount
* Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
* Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades)

would have covered the weapon I saw the other day at the firing range.

The owner started with one of these:



(note the flash suppressor)

and replaced the stock stock with an adjustable one from Tapco



(he did that so that so he and his kids could share the gun and also so he didn't have to buy new guns as the kids grew in size).

voila! you have an assault weapon consisting of a:

10 shot detachable magazine(strike 1); .22LR Ruger with a flash suppressor (strike 2); and an adjustable stock (strike 3)...the weapon of choice by criminals everywhere.

[radiclib]

33. Probably not

So fucking what?

[jpak]

51. If that shotgun had a 10 round magazine capacity it would have

there is no reason to have a shotgun that can hold that many rounds - is there any state that DOESN'T limit hunting firearms to 5 rounds (4 in the magazine, 1 in the chamber)???

and federal waterfowl rules require a plug limiting total shotgun capacity to 3 rounds.

10 round magazine shotguns suck

yup!

[Statistical]

101. Shotgun is an effective self defense weapon.

There is valid lawful reason for shotguns that carry >4 rounds rounds.
No Police shotgun in the country has only a 4 round magazine.

[X_Digger]

110. Only 20% of gun owners hunt

That's not the main reason people have guns.

[boppers]

60. Pistol grip.

AWB covered that as a banned "feature" (when in conjunction with others).

I don't know if it also had other features, though.

[PavePusher]

109. What makes a long-gun with a "pistol grip" more dangerous than one with out? n/t

[NeoConsSuck]

116. Would stronger gun laws have made a difference?

I expect crickets.

[eleny]

2. omg

[Zoeisright]

3. Jesus.

That's horrific.

[MichaelHarris]

4. concealed carry or open carry,

it made no difference, 4 people were still shot. Concealed/open carry is a fallacy. When a gunman wants you shot, you'll get shot. Even trained law enforcement officers couldn't respond fast enough.

[doc03]

7. Not in this case but many times it does. n/t

[Pancho Sanza]

13. So pass another law...that will fix the problem

:eyes:

[Duckhunter935]

27. still shot him

If they were not armed he could of shot for another 5 or 10 minutes

[MichaelHarris]

36. did you

feel that thing fly over your head? That was the fact that 4 armed people were shot before someone was finally able to put the shooter down. Really though, nice try.

[Atypical Liberal]

40. How many more would have been shot?

How many would have been shot if armed people had not been able to stop him?

[MichaelHarris]

42. dunno

I'm not Nostradamus. I do know 4 were shot before TRAINED officers stopped him. How many untrained CWP holders would be quicker?

[Atypical Liberal]

75. Well I do know.

More than 4.

[MichaelHarris]

81. so is 4

your acceptable number dead?

[Atypical Liberal]

95. Have you stopped beating your wife...

...yet?

[MichaelHarris]

118. I hope

your post results in a ban, I don't think many would disagree with me.

[NuclearDem]

120. You asked him a loaded question, he called you on it

Sorry if you didn't get it.

[MichaelHarris]

121. Well

if you agree with violence against women as a reply then maybe I don't. Bad reply, "beat your wife" in most people's minds.

[NuclearDem]

122. You really don't get it, do you?

It has nothing to do with violence against women.

[MichaelHarris]

124. How would you

fell if that question was asked of a person who watched their father beat their mother? I understand my mistake but it is an ugly phrase to use.

[Atypical Liberal]

126. Please see my other response.

Hi Michael,

Please see my other response here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4707414&mesg_id=4709628

I'm sorry that you were a victim of domestic abuse and that my question touched a raw nerve with you. The question-response is the traditional example of a "loaded question".

[Atypical Liberal]

125. Sorry, Michael.

I'm sorry if I offended you, Michael, that was not my intent.

The response "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" is a common phrase that I assumed you would have heard before. It is a tongue-in-cheek response to a question with no reasonable answer, because the response itself has no reasonable answer, otherwise known as a "loaded question":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

In other words, you can't reasonably answer the question "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Because to say "no" implies that you currently beat your wife, and to say "yes" implies that you used to beat your wife. There is no way to answer the question with a simple "yes" or "no" to state that you never have beaten your wife. This is a very common rhetorical question. The Wikipedia article above calls it "traditional".

You asked a loaded question, "so is 4 your acceptable number dead?" and I demonstrated that I understood your question was loaded by providing what I thought was the prime example of loaded questions. The question is not actually about domestic violence. I'm sorry if you were offended.

[X_Digger]

111. And yet..

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/16/ap/national/main7157952.shtml

As they were trying to tie up the store owner, he took out a handgun from his waistband and fatally shot one of the suspects, Smith said.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/628167/man-at-atm-fires-back-at-would-be-armed-robber

According to police, the man was attempting to use a Cash Points ATM on Eastway Drive at North Tryon Street around 11 p.m. A suspect seemingly saw that as an opportunity and tried to rob the victim at gunpoint.

However, that victim was also armed. He shot the suspect twice in the leg.

http://www.wxix.com/Global/story.asp?S=12299813

CINCINNATI, OH (FOX19) - Cincinnati Police are investigating a shooting where it appears a robber left the scene with the victim's cell-phone in his hand, and a slug from the victim's gun in his lower abdomen.

Police say the robber ran into someone with a concealed-carry permit, and at some point the would-be victim was able to get his gun out and shoot the suspect, who took off running from the shooting scene on Rosemont Avenue south of Glenway in West Price Hill.

[MissDeeds]

8. Hoping for the best

and that their injuries are not life threatening. My brother is a chief of police, and one of the good ones. This kind of thing makes me weak in the knees.

[Diamonique]

12. Well that's one way to end your life. Suicide by cop.

[Schema Thing]

15. If everyone carried a gun this wouldn't happen, dammit!

er....uh...

liberty...uh

nevermind.

[Pancho Sanza]

18. If there were gun-free zones, it would never happen.

Oops.........

Please do not imagine you can suspend the Bill of Rights....you can not.

[Stumbler]

17. Screw gun-control

How about a real conversation about "health care reform?" Many in our nation suffer from either PTSD or just "ordinary" depression from being outta the job-market for so long.

When the heck are we going to have an adult discussion about health-care-access as a human right, mental-health parity, or simply the act of prevention over the acts of reaction?

I swear I'm screaming into the wind sometimes.... ...though, in truth, I know I'm not alone....

[Name removed]

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[Capitalocracy]

24. I'm with you on that

but some gun restrictions are still completely appropriate

[texshelters]

31. Haven't there already been 100s of post

about health care reform?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf6LLRYLMnI

Just wondering.

Peace,
Tex Shelters

[X_Digger]

113. You're not alone. Right there with you. n/t

[lib2DaBone]

25. When people lose everything..."They Lose It.."

..this is only the beginning of hungry.. homeless.. unemployed... 3rd world America. A dream and vision created by our good friends at Fox News and the Republicans... as they profit from a race-to-the bottom.

[texshelters]

32. Like Detroit needs more to deal with...

It does sound like suicide by cop. I hope those policemen are okay.

Two questions: who was this man and was there a mental condition that could have been treated and how did he get a hold of that weapon? And no jokes about Detroit. I grew up near there and it's been a long time since it was the murder capitol of the nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf6LLRYLMnI

Peace,
Tex Shelters

[DissedByBush]

34. We should make shooting cops illegal n/t

[bemildred]

115. LOL.

:thumbsup:

[crim son]

39. If his only recourse had been a knife? n/t

[ProudDad]

41. Gee, if only someone had been there who had a gun handy...

:eyes:

Lives could have been saved...

[Atypical Liberal]

44. There were.

The gunman was shot and killed by people with guns, preventing further carnage.

[iamthebandfanman]

55. i didnt know the debate was over whether cops

should have weapons or not..

[Atypical Liberal]

69. Nothing special about Citizens on Patrol.

Whether it is is a police officer or another citizen, in the end it usually takes force to counter force.

[ProudDad]

117. Right, that's why it was the

unarmed folks attending Gabby's event who subdued Jared...

Once his disgusting maxi-clip ran out...

The guy with the gun, to his own righteous horror, nearly made things worse...

[Atypical Liberal]

127. One of those people was armed.

Right, that's why it was the unarmed folks attending Gabby's event who subdued Jared...

Once his disgusting maxi-clip ran out...

The guy with the gun, to his own righteous horror, nearly made things worse...

Actually, one of the people that helped subdue him was armed, and ready to act if the shooting had not stopped. Yes, thankfully in this case people were able to get to the shooter while he was reloading. This is not always the case, as in the Virginia Tech shooting, and at the immigration services shooting in New York.

On rare occasion unarmed people do overcome armed people. But most people prefer to face down an armed opponent with some sort of arm themselves, which is, of course, why both police and citizens carry them.

[Skip Intro]

47. That's how they stopped the criminal...

[Statistical]

102. Lives were saved. Thanks for proving the point.

The cops were able to return fire and use lethal force to stop the attack.

Had the cops been unarmed we likely would have been reading about another Virginia Tech or Tuscon incident.

Killing a larger number of armed persons is difficult. They tend to shoot back which requires taking cover and limiting outgoing fire. Killing a larger number of unarmed persons is pitifully easy. Just point and shoot.

[Atypical Liberal]

43. Wow.

Well, I can no longer use the argument that guns deter crime, "...since nobody attacks gun shows or police stations!"

[Bozita]

45. A camera inside the precinct captured images of the shooting ...

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/two-officers-shot-at-a-police-precinct-on-detroit%27s-west-side


"A camera inside the precinct captured images of the shooting and sources who have seen that video say it is graphic."

[AngryAmish]

108. screenecap here

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Update

http://www.freep.com/article/20110123/NEWS05/110123016/1318/Terror-unfolds-in-precinct-police-shot-gunman-killed

Oh and Fort Apache comes to mind.

[Citizen Worker]

57. As someone once said, whey you having nothing left to lose you lose it.

[Tx4obama]

59. Total of SEVEN cops got shot today in Detroit, Washington state, and Indiana

[Artie Bucco]

62. I would wager on the guy being in his 30s or 40s

The guy is probably going to turn out to be a ex-convict most likely a guy who was unable to find a job or get his life together after being in jail and because of that he harbored a hatred towards cops that finally lead to this.

[Statistical]

104. Maybe although suicide by cop is sadly not that uncommon.

Often times the attacker has no specific aggression towards cops. They simply know it is a way to die when they are unwilling or unable to kill themselves alone.

[Esra Star]

63. Tragic

"Sounds like either he had real grudge against police or was looking to commit suicide."

I'd say both.

Blaze of Glory syndrome.

[jimlup]

66. How many must die before the 2nd Amendment becomes a relic?

[boppers]

87. Many more, sadly.

At least Miller cut down on the body count.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

[melm00se]

94. simple solution

get 2/3 of the states together and amend the Constitution.

I would speculate that:

Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Alaska, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Vermont, North Carolina and South Carolina

would not support the repeal.

None of the Bill of Rights have been repealed and I really don't think that we should start.

[X_Digger]

114. Then you'd have to repeal similar protections in state constitutions..

.. then face all the lawsuits saying that it was then an 'unenumerated right' under the ninth amendment.

[Pancho Sanza]

97. How many died to make it a reality? What is it with you constitution haters?

I don't get it.

[xchrom]

93. recommend

[X_Digger]

112. Hope they all recover quickly! n/t

[Rex]

119. What kind of bastard does such a thing?

Without cops we would be nothing more than a lawless wasteland. Suicide by cop.