2 dead, 2 cops hurt in shootout outside Washington state Walmart

[47of74]

Source: CNN

The male shooter was shot and later pronounced dead in the Walmart parking lot. As of Sunday night, authorities had not released his name, age or other details about him.

A young female -- thought to be a teenager, said Wilson -- also was shot, with emergency personnel then transporting her to Tacoma General Hospital. She eventually died from her wounds.

Wilson said authorities don't know if the female victim knew the male shooting suspect or if she was an innocent bystander.

The two deputies, both men with between five and 10 years of experience in the department, were sent to Tacoma General Hospital to be treated for what Wilson described as "non-life-threatening" injuries. The third deputy, a woman, wasn't hurt.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/23/washington.walmart.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1

[PinkTiger]

1. I find it interesting

That a bystander alerted the cops. Walmart has been playing a video in the stores around here, urging people to watch people and report anything suspicious to the cops and to alert store managers next.
I live near Bentonville, AR., home of Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.

[47of74]

2. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been in Wal-Mart since 2004

I used to work at Wal-Mart, so I've had enough of that place to last me the rest of my life and then some.

[PinkTiger]

4. We wish we had good alternatives.

But I live in Wal-Mart country and cannot buy anywhere else without great inconvenience. When I can, I shop elsewhere. And we live on farm and grow much of what we consume. We also use our area farmers to buy from. But the nearest grocery store from Wal-Mart is 20 miles away, and they lack the "one-stop shopping" that Wal-Mart has. I know a lot of people on this board are anti-Wal-Mart, but for many people, there is no alternative, at least not one that would fill the bill.

[DBoon]

5. you have just described a monopoly

and if anti-trust laws had not been gutted by decades of Chicago School economics, Walmart would be facing Federal sanctions for its behavior.

Anti-trust laws were first pushed by rural populists facing situations like this over 100 years ago.

[ManiacJoe]

6. Interesting in what way?

I find it interesting that a bystander alerted the cops.

[valerief]

3. Good thing the bad guy had a gun! Wouldn't want to make them tough to get.

:sarcasm:

[rsmith6621]

7. Washington State...1 killed, 4 injured in shootout outside Wal-mart

Source: KOMOTV 4

PORT ORCHARD, Wash. - A shooting outside a Walmart store in Kitsap County has killed at least one person and injured four others, according to preliminary reports.

Witnesses said at least one of the victims was a sheriff's deputy.

A witness at the scene told KOMO News that one shot was fired followed by six more shots fired in rapid succession.




UPDATE.....A HUSBAND SHOT AND KILLED HIS WIFE

Read more: http://www.komonews.com/news/local/114458304.html

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Wonder where the suspect bought the bullet....Maybe WALMART?????

[crim son]

8. Oh fer god's sake. You can't blame Walmart

and you can't blame guns wither. Isn't it obviously that if the shooter had no gun he would have made his attack with a kitchen knife? :sarcasm:

[howaboutme]

22. I blame Wal-Mart

not for this, but for turning America into a much poorer nation, all so that it and others could profit by selling trinkets from China, and have a boundless supply of labor from the industries it destroyed.

Had they maintained their policies of selling Made in America, that the old man had in place, the USA would be a much better nation. But Wal-Mart and most of fortune 500 and Wall St don't give a hoot about that aspect. Congress takes care of them. These shootings are about a nation angry at being screwed. The younger ones don't understand yet how they've been screwed because they don't miss what they never had.

[Taverner]

29. I blame the shooter

If he never would have shot those people, they wouldn't have been shot

[Truth2Tell]

34. If things were different,

they wouldn't be the same.

[crim son]

46. I don't disagree.

I think you must know my remark has little to do with Walmart.

[howaboutme]

49. Yes and thanks.

I was just piggy backing on the Wal-Mart comment, not because I disagreed with what you said, or that they had anything to do with this particular shooting (and maybe they did indirectly), but because they have been such a huge ongoing negative influence on the USA. They wrap themselves in red white and blue while they push a globalist corporate agenda that has turned the USA into millions of 21st century serfs that can not now earn enough to live.

Again sorry didn't mean to make it sound like a critical followup, but I fully admit to being critical of WM and what they stand for.

[crim son]

66. No problem

I do that all the time. A post sparks a thought that is only partly relevant but still worth posting, so I post it!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. Really, what was on sale this time? n/t

[jmowreader]

16. Ammunition.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. Perfect.. I dinna tink o dat. I'm sleepwalking right now so my posts may be a

bit "dark".

[Kingofalldems]

10. Here we go

[Arctic Dave]

11. Damn. The crazies are shooting up everything.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. 5-4-3-2-1

Who'll be first?

[Tx4obama]

13. What the hell's going on today! Cops in THREE states shot since this morning.

Indiana, Michigan, and now Washington.

[sarcasmo]

21. 49 more states to go.

[geckosfeet]

25. 48

Onset shooting hospitalizes 1

No cops in this one - but a shooting none the less.

It's good to have guns when you are mad.

[Tx4obama]

31. A total of 50 states minus 3 = 47

n/t

[sarcasmo]

38. That is why you shouldn't drink and type.

[Tx4obama]

14. UPDATE: , Wash. -- Four people -- including two sheriff's deputies -- have been shot at a Walmart

PORT ORCHARD, Wash. -- Four people -- including two sheriff's deputies -- have been shot at a Walmart in Port Orchard.

Early reports say two suspects are in custody and the scene is secure.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/26589868/detail.html

[DCKit]

15. That damn radical left... can't get out of the parking lot without making sure...

they got good value for their $$$$$.
:sarcasm:

[Fearless]

18. And it continues on the radical right.

[LuvNewcastle]

19. If the greeters had been carrying,

this wouldn't have happened.

[rfranklin]

23. Welcome to Walmart...and get your hands up!

Blam!

"Clean up on aisle three..."

[MichaelHarris]

24. If deputies were allowed

to carry firearms and the people of Washington were allowed to carry guns then this would have never happened. Ummmm errrr nevermind, deputies carry guns and Washington allows concealed carry. One recent story about a concealed carry guy and he almost shot the wrong guy. trained deputies get the right guy.

[freshwest]

30. You covered all sides of the argument very well. LOL.

:thumbsup:

[harvey007]

20. Sick society, sick people

[freshwest]

26. OMG. When I saw this post, I called my friend who lives there and she hadn't heard about it yet.

And they had just left the store before it happened.

They're watching it on the news now...

[underpants]

27. Hey it is the "town square" these days. That is what they wanted and they sell ammo

are we supposed to forget the early 90's "Made in America" theme? Of course we are.

[rhett o rick]

28. There is nothing about a husband killing his wife. The suspect was killed and two deputys and

another suspect were wounded.

[The abyss]

32. This and all the unexplained animal deaths....

can not the zombie apocalypse be next?

Or is it already happening?

[ProudDad]

33. Another good reason to NEVER shop Wal-Mart!!!

:rofl:

[The abyss]

41. shop smart at s mart

[boppers]

45. Shotgun+Chainsaw = win.

[Missy Vixen]

35. I'm wondering where the gun apologists are now

Just think. Someday, it'll be one of their loved ones who just went to the movies/a grocery store/a shopping mall/church/a friend's home/a political rally, and they'll be too dead to see them again, outside of in their casket. After all, it's much more important for ANYONE to get their hands on a gun.

The local TV channels are still looking for information on what happened via Twitter, so we won't have the whole story for a few more hours. At the same time, I've had enough of wondering if I'm going to be one of the "collateral damage" victims by going about my daily life, but I will never, ever join those who are deluded enough to believe they should carry.

[The abyss]

37. I'm too busy working on my zombie busting rounds - I'll reply later......

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Oh com'on but we all know even ladies

carried in the old west!



Pretty gun, but wrong period!

Anyhow part of the problems is that these guys (and gals) believe that myth and we are enamored with myths. One of these days though the rest of us will be strong enough to counter the radical NRA.

Now some training (on what to do if you got time to take cover), given the insanity, is not that crazee, sadly.

[Missy Vixen]

40. I'm not sure that carrying is even the solution at this point

The person that had a gun in Tucson almost shot an innocent bystander. The two sheriff's deputies at Columbine were not able to bring down Harris and Klebold. These stories are unearthed in the aftermath of every mass shooting now; I'll bet there will be one from the Port Orchard Wal Mart shooting as well.

I'm wondering why my right to stay safe from a nut with a gun (and don't kid yourself; the vast majority of those who carry fit this description perfectly,) is less important than their right to carry it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. I know, but if you ever hear

fireworks in the wrong place, wrong time... FIND COVER and assume somebody is shooting a gun.

Engine blocks are usually a good choice and whatever you do, DO NOT freeze.

Having been to a few shoot outs I react by training... but most folks do not. That is where some tactical training comes in, find if the local PD offers one, and chiefly one that does not include fire arms.

And as I said, the myth is that everybody carried. That is far from the truth, but we are enamored by myths.

As to columbine... don't get me started on the multitude of errors by the Sheriffs, and how they have become a comedy of horrors of what NOT do to.

[Missy Vixen]

51. I will do so

I will ask the local PD if they offer some non-firearm training, too. We live in a rural area; I've heard gunfire more than once around here, too.

Thanks so much for the tip.

I wish I had a dollar for every time someone we worked with or knew from any org we've belonged to LOVED to brag about their guns, or threaten others with them...

[DrDan]

52. exactly - but they certainly discount the rights of others in order to carry their sacred guns

and it is not limited to the R's.

[X_Digger]

59. Nice historical revisionism, there..

The cops outside Columbine were setting up a perimeter, waiting for SWAT, while kids bled to death. Police response has changed since VT (google 'active shooter protocol'), since the thing that seems to stop mass shooting most often is effective resistance, by someone with a gun.

The guy in AZ never removed his gun from his holster. He assessed the situation, decided the best course of action was not to shoot but to restrain what he thought at the time was the shooter, and then helped restrain the actual shooter when others let him know that the guy holding the gun was not the shooter. By that same "logic" I almost mowed down some pedestrians in my drive in to work today, when I decided to stop and let them cross the street in front of me.

[Missy Vixen]

61. Wrong

It was widely reported two sheriff's deputies traded fire with at least one of the Columbine shooters, inside the building. They failed.

>since the thing that seems to stop mass shooting most often is effective resistance, by someone with a gun<

Right. Those at the Port Orchard Wal-Mart yesterday sure weren't better off.

Those who restrained the shooter in AZ were UNARMED.

You might want to work on your own "historical revisionism".

[X_Digger]

63. "setting up a perimeter, waiting for SWAT" .. aka.. OUTSIDE

Even trading shots with a shooter, from OUTSIDE is a stupid thing to do, outside of a butch & sundance flick. The shooters had the high ground, and more concealment than officers could deal with.

Right. Those at the Port Orchard Wal-Mart yesterday sure weren't better off.

You're the one who brought an orange to an apple article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_murderers_and_spree_killers_by_number_of_victims

Sort that list by date, and check the ones in the US. Most end up 'shot by police' or 'committed suicide'.

[Missy Vixen]

68. You did not comprehend what I wrote

You insist that those on the scene with a weapon are able to stop mass shooters? PROVE IT. It sure as hell didn't happen at Virginia Tech, for instance.

Columbine: Two sheriff's deputies were INSIDE THE BUILDING with Harris and Klebold. They were unable to bring them down, despite efforts to do so.

Tucson: UNARMED BYSTANDERS brought down Jared Loughner. The scene was so chaotic the party on hand with a weapon was unable to identify the actual shooter, and almost shot an innocent bystander as a result.

Port Orchard Wal-Mart: Multiple sheriff's deputies were shot themselves, and evidently, a bystander was shot as well.

It is comical that those who insist they are more than ready to take matters into their own hands with their precious guns either get shot themselves, or stand by and wring their hands while others are killed.

[X_Digger]

69. You'll notice I didn't say that they stopped it.. merely that it often stops when confronted..

More often than not, they put the gun in their mouth and pull the trigger, or are taken down by a person with a gun-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massacre - shot by a sniper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_Massacre - suicide after being confronted by police
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Sherrill - suicide when a cop car pulled up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101_California_Street_Shootings -- shot himself as police cornered him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Barton -- suicide when cornered by cops (after the initial spree, though)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting -- shot by police
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman -- shot by police
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Weise -- suicide after exchanging fire with police
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Carl_Roberts -- suicide after the police surrounded the school
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimveer_Gill -- committed suicide after being hit in the arm by cops (Canada, but still..)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Church_shooting -- suicide after being shot by CHL holder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting -- shot by off-duty cop

This is why cops changed their tactics. No 'cordoning off a perimeter', no 'negotiating'- ASP (Active Shooter Protocol)

[hack89]

43. All I know is I have never been safer my entire life

with violent crime at historic lows and still declining, you have to go back to 1963 to find a lower murder rate. So I am not sure how you can pin this on "gun apologists". Emotional hyperbole aside, you have never been less likely to be the victim of violent crime.

[Missy Vixen]

50. Perhaps you should give Gabrielle Giffords a call and let her know she was "less likely".

I'll bet Christina Taylor Green's parents would like to know as well.

It's all fun and games until someone doing nothing more than going to a grocery store on a Saturday morning, or a Wal-Mart on a Sunday afternoon, gets shot.

Statistics really don't matter when you're the family member who finds themselves at a funeral home picking out a casket, do they?

[hack89]

53. Does the same logic apply to drunk drivers?

what civil rights are you willing to give up to ensure that there are no more dead children? What about swimming pools - they kill more young kids then guns. Should they be banned?

Yours is the kind of emotional response that gave us the Patriot Act - do anything to make us feel safer regardless of civil rights. Especially someone else's civil rights.

[Missy Vixen]

57. Oh, I see

You can't make your point by logic or reason, so you'll use personal attacks.

Again: Why are the rights of those who should not have access to a firearm more important than the rights of those who aren't willing to become collateral damage for the NRA's agenda?

[hack89]

58. We shouldn't have to give up a civil right without due process

you come up with a legal and constitutional way to determine who should not have guns and we can talk. Law abiding people are not the problem here - let's fix the problem without trampling on the rights of others shall we?

[Missy Vixen]

60. A gun is a "civil right"?

Great, great talking point. It's obscene when one considers how hard other groups continue to fight to have their relationships and families recognized, etcetera.

My right (and the rights of others,) to remain safe from those who think it's the Wild Wild West is unimportant, of course.

[hack89]

62. What kind of rights do you think the Bill of Rights contains?

I can't believe you fail to grasp that simple fact.

You have no constitutional right to feel safe.

[Missy Vixen]

65. I can't believe you seem to think your rights supersede anyone else's.

>You have no constitutional right to feel safe.<

You don't have the constitutional right to infringe on my, or anyone else's, safety. After all, I don't make a practice of carrying a weapon that could kill multiple people in less than thirty seconds.

Considering the fact the right to own a firearm was offered when it took twenty minutes to load a musket, you're really skating on thin ice to cite your Constitutional "civil right" to pack heat.

Thirty-four people are shot in the USA each day, which the NRA considers collateral damage, but the rest of us consider unacceptable.

[hack89]

67. I can't believe you seem to think your rights supersede mine

I have never shot anyone - just like 99.99 percent of all legal gun owners. You don't have the constitutional right to infringe on my rights just because guns scare you.

We don't take away people's rights "just in case" - do you think cops can stop and search people "just in case" they are carrying illegal guns?

Do you understand that gun violence is at a historic low and still declining? You have to go back to 1963 to find a lower murder rate. You have never been safer.

[sulphurdunn]

54. Not quite right.

Since 1900 US homicide rates have tended to follow a statistical wavelike pattern, hitting an apex in the early 1920s, a nadir by around 1960 (as you state), another peak about 1980 and a present decline. If the pattern continues, homicide rates should begin to increase significantly around 2020. Throughout the pattern, guns were always the primary weapons used to commit murder.

[hack89]

56. Yet as gun ownership skyrocketed

not only did the murder rate decline but actual numbers of murder declined. So it would appear that gun ownership and the number of guns in America don't have a direct bearing on why we decide to kill each other.

I personally feel that US gun violence is skewed by drug violence - the best way to reduce the number of gun deaths is to rationalize our drug laws and treat drugs as a public health issue. That and hammer the shit out of anyone who uses a gun in the commission of any crime.

[The abyss]

64. Freakonomics has a pretty good chapter on this subject

Written by "Steven D. Levitt" & "Stephen J. Dubner"

Chapter 4 "Where have all the criminals gone"?

In a nut shell fewer un-wanted babies being born after a certain point in history. That is my "nut-shell" view on this chapter.

One way or the other I highly recommend reading the book.

[greiner3]

36. They must have missed the red light special;

DOH; wrong box.

[Paka]

42. I've NEVER shopped at a WalMart...

and I intend to keep it that way.

[sam sarrha]

47. i was blocked in by some nut case who threatened me about backing out.. i had my flashers on.. he

got out of his car and was very agitated and threatening, i am 63, disabled, an amputee..

and it was the only day in months that i left my friends behind... Mr Smith and Mr Wesson. i did have a buck knife with a 4" blade on the passenger seat.. he saw it and i said, if you have a problem with me backing up with my flashers on, call the police. if you don't i will, and i have your license plate number.. in my best X-Parole Officer Jedi voice. and rolled up the window picked up my dead cell phone. he backed up, got in his car and left.

I'm ordering some pepper spray called 'Whoop Ass" ,gonna Velcro it next to the sun visor and my 650,000 volt Cheetah Stun Gun..

it is said that having a gun increases the chance of someone getting hurt.. Duh, when the F'n dumb ass punks figure that out i will not have to carry anymore.

I'm old, I'm crippled and the cowards think I'm an easy mark..

i have worked in law enforcement, the greatest deterrent to shooting someone is all the F'n paper work. but if i am left no alternative i will be prepared, usually the red laser dot on them is enough to terminate any intended bull shit.

[icymist]

48. Update from The Seattle Times and The Kitsap Sun:

Two people killed and two deputies wounded in shootout at Walmart in Port Orchard

Two people were killed and two sheriff's deputies were wounded in a shootout outside a Walmart in Port Orchard Sunday afternoon, according to the Kitsap County Sheriff's Office.

Kitsap County sheriff's spokesman Scott Wilson said the two deputies exchanged fire with a gunman in the parking lot. The man was killed outside the store and two male deputies were wounded; a female deputy who was present when gunfire broke out was not hurt, Wilson said. A fourth person, a female possibly in her teens, died after being taken to Tacoma General Hospital, Wilson said. It's unclear if the young female had any connection to the man killed.

Wilson declined to name the deputies, only saying that they've each been with the agency more than five years.

Wilson said deputies went to the store around 3:45 p.m. after someone inside dialed 911 to report seeing a suspicious man carrying a gun outside the store. The two male deputies found the armed man in the store's designated smoking area, authorities said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014020216_shooting24m.html

Two killed, two deputies injured in shooting at Port Orchard Walmart

PORT ORCHARD — Two people were killed in a shooting outside the Port Orchard Walmart this afternoon, according to Kitsap County Sheriff's Office spokesman Scott Wilson.

The dead include a suspect who was killed on the scene and a female, possibly a teenager, who died while being taken to Tacoma General Hospital. It is not clear what, if any, connection the female had to the male suspect who died in the Walmart parking lot.

Read more: http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2011/jan/23/police-responding-reported-shooting-port-orchard/#ixzz1BvLLqvCH

[rhett o rick]

55. Thanks, but not a word about how the female got shot. nm