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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 03:53 PM
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Support Eroding For Bush On Iraq (CSM)
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WASHINGTON – As violence and US casualties mount in Iraq, President Bush is facing a precarious political situation at home - and a potentially critical moment in the presidential campaign.

Current polls suggest that public opinion on the conflict could be approaching a tipping point. While Americans have always been divided over the war, a majority has consistently held that the US made the right decision in deposing Saddam Hussein. But some polls now find a majority disapproving of Mr. Bush's handling of the situation in Iraq, and, according to a recent Pew survey, a sizable margin believes the administration does not have a plan to bring the conflict to a successful conclusion. The number of Americans calling for the troops to come home is rising, with just a bare majority now favoring keeping US troops in the region.

And...

If unrest continues, public support for the mission could quickly crumble - and the political consequences for Bush could be severe.

"Opinion is very fluid right now," says Carroll Doherty, editor of the Pew Research Report. "There's a sense that things are perhaps spinning out of control - and that's a very dangerous perception."

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Link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0409/p01s04-uspo.html

I don't want to call this a silver lining. I do not want anymore death and destruction. But...

If this illegal war is what it takes to bring down Bush, so be it.

Little boys who play with matches... :nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:



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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:09 PM
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1. About silver linings
I pretty much agree with you, but I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea that "if this illegal war is what it takes to bring down Bush, so be it."

First, I'm not sure what kind of silver we'll find if Kerry only perpetuates the war. Bush isn't the sole problem; Kerry, after all, voted for this illegal war and wants to send 40,000 more troops. So that kind of negates one aspect of hope for peace, doesn't it.

Second, call me greedy, but I'd like a better result from the war than merely dumping Bush: I'd like US imperial foreign policy to be set back another generation as it was by Vietnam. And if "no more Iraqs!" becomes the will of the people, so it shall be.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:17 PM
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2. It Does Seem To Be An Almost Generational Thing !!!
Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history...

Sad.

:shrug:
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:28 PM
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9. His undergraduate degree is in history. ROFLOL he is so stupid.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:39 PM
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13. Who read the books for him?
Or was it who took the tests for him?
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:35 PM
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3. None of these reports on the eroding support for *..
None of these reports on the eroding support for * dare to mention that what we are seeing was foretold by the majority of experts from around the world surveyed before this devastating misadventure began.

We are not into new territory here. We are in point of fact, arriving at the inevitable outcome of an illegal and imorral invasion of an Arab homeland by a band of greed lust driven maniacal "oligarchian" monsters.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 04:46 PM
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4. You are right. We were told there would be low casualties and no fighting
in the streets. The shock an aw would win the war. We would find and destroy the WMDs and capture Saddam.

Well one out of four isn't bad is it?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 07:52 PM
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5. Exactly !!!
'Funny' how us yokels out here in the hinterland saw this coming before the war even started. And we did try to warn 'em, ya know???

:shrug:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:02 PM
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6. I think (and thought at the time) that a majority of Americans disagreed
with the invasion of Iraq. I did not believe the polls. I don't know anyone - liberal, conservative, vets, anybody - who thought it was a good idea.

I realize that there are a few posters on this board who were in favor of the invasion, and a percentage of Americans who felt it was justified. I don't think that percent ever approached a majority opinion.

I continue to think that the polls are rigged. I don't believe that Bush's support is running anything like 50/50 among Americans. I think it is probably down somewhere around 25%, if that.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:30 PM
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10. Even the Pope said he was opening a can of hornets. Bush listen?
Like Alfred Newman, "what me worry?"
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:35 PM
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12. Worry !!!


:scared:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:22 PM
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7. .........
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:42 PM
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15. Does that show what I think it shows?
That his leadership index is below what it was when he started his term?
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stilpist Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:26 PM
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8. Hilarious!!!
If articles like this are on the mark, apparently a lot of 'Murkins were for the invasion of Iraq only if it was in fact a cake walk! And now that it looks like it might not be, they don't like it so well. Buncha' frickin' idiots! Such stupidity is splendidly funny.

Not to mention buncha frickin' racists, imo, who wouldn't have been nearly so compliant if Former Governor Bush had proposed invading a country populated with "white" people. That's not funny at all.

I should hasten to add that I don't think the invasion, the tragic loss of life and limb, and the squandering of our descendants' money are hilarious. I feel very sad and angry about those.

Maybe at least the stupendous incompetence of F.G. Bush and his minions will help to ensure his continued inability to win a presidential election. Siver linings help some.


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lightbulb Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:34 PM
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11. It wasn't stupidity that took us to Iraq
It is quiet possible that the real hawks calling the shots from above, the ones with enough intellect to actually have vision and foresight (evil as it may be), knew all along that this war would probably bring Bush down. Their agenda is much bigger than the useful idiot, and they won't waste any tears on seeing him go. They got us into Iraq, and got us in deep, and they will keep us there even if Kerry takes the White House.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-04 08:41 PM
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14. Mr. George W. Bush just committed political suicide
He is dead in the water for any type of political office ever again, included ever being Baseball Commissioner.
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