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JanDutchy Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:08 PM
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NATO starts 24/7 surveillance of Libya
Source: By the CNN Wire Staff

NATO starts 24/7 surveillance of Libya
By the CNN Wire Staff
March 7, 2011 -- Updated 2049 GMT (0449 HKT)

(CNN) -- NATO has launched around-the-clock surveillance flights of Libya as it considers various options for dealing with escalating violence in the war-torn country, America's ambassador to the organization told reporters Monday.

Representatives of key Western powers also highlighted the possibility of establishing a no-fly zone in Libya -- part of growing campaign to break strongman Moammar Gadhafi's grip on power.
British, French and U.S. officials were working on a draft text that includes language on a no-fly zone, diplomatic sources at the United Nations told CNN.
The language in the text will deal with triggers rather than timelines for taking such a step, one diplomat noted. If gross violations of human rights are committed, the diplomat added, the elements of the text could be quickly turned into a resolution.

Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/07/libya.military.response/index.html



Rory Stewart, UK Member of Parliament and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Stewart

He placed this article on his weblog


Nine non-violent options for action in Libya
Sunday, 06 March 2011 09:31


Nine non-violent options for international action in Libya by my friend Carne Ross:

1. Establishment of an escrow account for Libyan oil revenues: this would require further UNSC chapter VII authorisation. At present, it appears that all oil revenues, including from oil produced from rebel-held areas, flows to the Libyan government. All payments should instead be paid into a UN-run escrow account, the proceeds of which would be released as soon as a representative government is established in Libya. While the account is in operation, proceeds might in the interim be used for humanitarian purposes in rebel-held areas or to aid refugees. This would be a short-term measure to exert maximum pressure on the regime. My suspicion is that govts are not discussing this for fear of the effect on oil prices (this is uppermost in US debate in particular). To deal with this problem, Saudi Arabia should be asked to make very public commitments to increase its daily production to cover any shortfall of Libyan production.


2. Listing all Libyan personnel involved in repression for sanction under SCR 1970. Paras 22-23 of this resolution encourage states to nominate individuals to whom the asset freeze and travel ban would apply. At the moment, the list is very short and comprises only prominent regime members. The UN or Security Council members should make public this encouragement to Libyans on the ground to nominate members of the security forces. Why not publish an email address for such nominations or set up a wiki for Libyans to compile evidence? I realise the potential downsides of this, but the point would primarily be to act as a deterrent. There is also nothing to stop individual states declaring that those named under paras 22-23 will be subject to these measures in perpetuity. For a start, why not nominate all Libyan diplomats who have not defected for these sanctions? Why not take the names of all senior Libyan army officers and stick them on the list too?


3. Seek public declarations from all commercial companies that they will not do business with the Gadhaffi regime. The admirable folks in the Genocide Intervention Network have already begun campaigning for this and have secured several such commitments. I see no reason why governments, such as the US and UK, should not demand such commitments of companies based in their respective countries. Naming and shaming has considerable effect on the recalcitrant.


4. Immediately position monitoring units on all borders and a naval blockade to ensure that the military embargo under UNSCR 1970 is enforced, and that regime members under ICC investigation or subject to paras 22-23 of UNSCR 1970 do not escape. This could be implemented now, and does not in my view require further Security Council authority.


5. An air blockade to the same effect might also be considered. This should of course exclude all evacuation and humanitarian flights, but the aim is to increase the isolation of the regime. Flights should by contrast be permitted to rebel-held areas. Such measures were imposed on Gadhaffi under the earlier sanctions regime over Lockerbie. He didn't like it.


6. Electronic jamming of all regime communications; interference with internet communications, stuxnet-like attacks on regime IT infrastructure. I hope that US etc are already trying to do this. If not, they should be.


7. Provide immediate and substantial humanitarian assistance in rebel-held areas.


8. Set up publicly accessible websites using satellite and other reconnaissance data to inform anti-Gadhaffi forces of the disposition of regime military and irregular units. Or, get the data to them more covertly using encrypted satphones etc.. (thanks @racionalisimo for that one)


9. Consider making the Libyan currency non-convertible (thanks to @stream47 for this idea). I'm no expert on this so list this for consideration only. Another idea is to impose Swift banking sanctions to freeze all financial transactions beyond the assets freeze imposed in SCR1970. The problem with assets freezes is that it's too easy these days for individuals/regimes to hide money. Tracking these monies is a major forensic effort, and can take time.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:27 PM
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1. Hello, it's the Mediterranean Sea not the North Atlantic and Libya is not a member
This organization should have been dissolved long ago...
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:55 AM
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7. Italy, Greece, Turkey and Spain are not in the North Atlantic
so what's your point?
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JanDutchy Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 07:04 AM
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9. I case you was forgotten
NATO Member Countries
NATO is an Alliance that consists of 28 independent member countries:





Albania
Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
Croatia
Czech Rep
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States



http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm
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JanDutchy Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 07:04 AM
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10. I case you was forgotten
NATO Member Countries
NATO is an Alliance that consists of 28 independent member countries:





Albania
Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
Croatia
Czech Rep
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States



http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 09:43 PM
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2. NATO has nothing to do with NATO member collective security.
NATO in Afghanistan and perhaps Libya. It's new colonialism.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 09:48 PM
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3. when did the occupyers of Afghanistan have a problem with airstrikes?
oh, not their own..hm.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:43 AM
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4. NATO starts 24/7 surveillance of Libya (Britain, France & US working on draft text for no-fly zone)
Source: CNN International

By the CNN Wire Staff
March 8, 2011 12:53 a.m. EST

(CNN) -- NATO has launched around-the-clock surveillance flights of Libya as it considers various options for dealing with escalating violence in the war-torn country, America's ambassador to the organization told reporters Monday.

Representatives of key Western powers also highlighted the possibility of establishing a no-fly zone in Libya -- part of growing campaign to break strongman Moammar Gadhafi's grip on power.

British, French and U.S. officials were working on a draft text that includes language on a no-fly zone, diplomatic sources at the United Nations told CNN.

The language in the text will deal with triggers rather than timelines for taking such a step, one diplomat noted. If gross violations of human rights are committed, the diplomat added, the elements of the text could be quickly turned into a resolution.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/07/libya.military.response/index.html?hpt=T2
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WolfoftheWild Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:52 AM
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5. U.K., France draft resolution to impose 'no-fly zone' over Libya
Source: Msnbc

UNITED NATIONS — Britain and France are drafting a U.N. resolution that would establish a no-fly zone over Libya.

A British diplomat at the U.N. stressed Monday that the resolution is being prepared as a contingency in case it is needed, but no decision has been made to introduce it at the U.N. Security Council. He spoke on condition of anonymity because the draft has not been made public.

A regional council of Gulf states as well as Libya's U.N. ambassador have urged the council to impose a no-fly zone to prevent Moammar Gadhafi's forces from bombing civilians. Rebel fighters have also urged establishment of a no-fly zone, saying they can take on Gadhafi's elite ground forces, but are outgunned if he uses his air power.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41952726/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/
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Jeneral2885 Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:52 AM
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6. Where are British planes going to fly from?
Who is going to give thme basing and overflight rights?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:58 AM
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8. They have a base in Cyprus
and their history with Malta will probably mean they can fly out of there.
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Jeneral2885 Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 10:27 AM
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11. Cyprus? Malta?
The former is mile away. That means over water air refueling which is tricky and there is a possibility of plans crashing especially if damaged, into the seas.

Malta's airport is too small for continuous military flights.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 11:12 AM
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12. The NATO base at Souda Bay Crete is relatively close to Libya
they can also fly from Sicily - both are less then 500 miles from Libya.

Surveillance aircraft have extremely long ranges - missions sometimes last 12-14 hours. Cyprus is plenty close. Malta can be used for what if commonly referred to as a "lily pad" - aircraft flying to and from Libyan airspace can stop to refuel before flying to their bases in Europe.

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nalnn Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 11:18 AM
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13. re: Sicily
Any NATO air force can now use any of their authorized bases in Italy for operations over Libya. The Italians have suspended their Rome/Tripoli friendship pact.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 11:22 AM
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14. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, JanDutchy.
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