The Wisconsin FULL SENATE passes anti-union bill 18-1 vote

[Tx4obama]

Source: CNN's Breaking News Twitter feed

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In 18-1 vote, Wis. Senate approves bill to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights

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RT @EricKleefeld: Barca saying meeting violates the state's open meetings law, w/out good cause for less than 24 hrs notice.

OTOOLEFAN

RT @MikeElk: UNION LEADERS TO CALL EMERGENCY MEETING TO DISCUSS GENERAL STRIKE #wiunion

[myrna minx]

1. Recall the bastards. K&R n/t

[peace frog]

51. Every last one of them. No exceptions.

Time for the people of Wisconsin to take back their government.

[wavygravy]

143. aa ha!

[11 Bravo]

2. Full Senate my fucking ass!

Not one Democratic Senator was there to cast a vote.

[Tx4obama]

5. It was the full senate as opposed to the senate committee which is another LBN thread.

[Hannah Bell]

203. missing all the democrats.

[No Elephants]

280. Headline is wrong, and tweet is wrong. Only Republican Senators "voted."

That is NOT a Senate vote, let alone the "FULL Senate," even as opposed to a Senate committee. And that is without even considering considering whether a quorum was needed or whether a non-public vote is valid.

For that matter, the vote of only Republican members of a Senate committee is not the vote of a Senate committee.

Truth is more like "Republican Senators claim their privately-taken votes equal a vote of the Senate."

[humbled_opinion]

75. There was one on the Assembly Special Committee...

"The lone Democrat present on the special committee, Democratic Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, shouted that the meeting was a violation of the state's open meetings law. Republicans voted over his objections, and the Senate convened within minutes and passed the measure without discussion or debate."

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[Iliyah]

137. True violations of the rules

and or law. The fight has just begun. They will be defeated and Walker will be gone mid-early 2012. He and the rest, including the Koch brothers remind me of how the NAZI took control re: WW2.

Of course they showing the opposition (tea brats) on the internet and probably on the corporate media except for MSNBC night. The morning will be different for MSNBC.

One sign "I voted for representation no Unions" I wonder how much they are paying him. This is sad. RECALL THESE MFs!

[PufPuf23]

268. The buildup over years and global events are haunting

regards to break out of WWII.

The likelihood Walker and those individuals and ideologies he represents have planned and are PRing "history" creep some of The People out too.

[MadMaddie]

125. The vote was 18-1

There was 1 Dem and he tried to tell the Repugs they were breaking the law...the voted over him while he was reading the law.

[orleans]

172. the single vote was a republican

" Republican Sen. Dale Schultz cast the lone dissenting vote.

"Schultz said he had spent four weeks working for compromise.

"Ultimately, I voted my conscience, which I feel reflects the core beliefs of the majority of voters who sent me here to represent them," he said in a statement.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014449955_wisconsin10.html

[timo]

211. ooopps, guess not.

[No Elephants]

281. I think you're combining the sole Dem in the Assembly Com. and the sole Pub dissenter in the Senate.

See Replies 75 and 172.

[Kennah]

3. Crying havoc. Stop. Letting slip. Stop. Dogs war. Stop.

[alittlelark]

113. +1000

[aquart]

4. What are the bastards' names?

[Tx4obama]

6. Here's a list of all the GOP senators, not sure which 'one' voted no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Senate

[Tx4obama]

9. Vote 18-1. Schultz votes no.

[divine_truine]

7. CORPORATE gop BOOTLICKERS IN WISCONSIN SENATE WILL REGRET THIS VOTE!

at this point, the republican party is a corpse. They love their corporate master$ more than they do their constituents nor the country. RECALL THEIR WORTHLESS ASSES!

[proud patriot]

8. +1

:patriot:

[glinda]

44. It is a full blown takeover like MI. They must go now.

[jwirr]

60. Ohio did it this way also. By ignoring the rules of the body.

[No Elephants]

282. Does Ohio have a recall law? If so, the Ohio Dem Party should be all over it, as is

the Wisconsin Dem Party.

[Doctor_J]

47. No they won't

gop BOOTLICKERS IN WISCONSIN SENATE WILL REGRET THIS VOTE

No they won't. there will be almost no consequence.

at this point, the republican party is a corpse

:eyes:

They love their corporate master$ more than they do their constituents nor the country

Is this supposed to be news? that's how they got elected in the first place.

WAKE UP

[divine_truine]

72. I am very much awake! thank you!

It's called 'thinking aloud'

[bigmonkey]

217. You're simultaneously telling people to wake up and that they'll never win.

How sensible is that?

[humbled_opinion]

79. Now now, where was all this energy...

in NOV? We would not be facing this dismantling of bed rock Democratic institutions and principles if we had a LEADER that motivated people.... Many here warned of these things a year ago but, deaf ears and all the chips went in on the HCR hand and even though we raked the pot at the time we lost every hand since.

[w4rma]

118. Yup. Obama was busy attacking his base. (nt)

[Kurmudgeon]

149. Nice smear, you expect a US President to interfere in state's dealings? Get real n/m

[idrahaje]

152. Which is ironic because Repugs are now anti state n/t

[LemmingWarrior]

194. anti-state and anti bagger

but you would never know it from reading the posts at a bagger forum!

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=133139

[glinda]

157. Actually, I think this is a breach of the US Constitution.

[No Elephants]

284. Neither humbled_opinion nor w4rma so much as implied Obama should interfere.

And it's perfectly possible to refrain from interfering AND simultaneously refrain from insulting your base.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

132. Rethugicans are not afraid to do this because they know we don't have guns

[LemmingWarrior]

192. Maybe time to get one

and learn to use it with plenty of practice.....

[leftynyc]

202. Speak for yourself

The last administration gave me a brand new appreciation of the second amendment. I'm more than ready. That even our side has people who think the right are the only ones armed suits me just fine.

[smoking357]

213. I Pray For The Day the Left Arms Itself

Please get armed. Now. It's really scary seeing just how kooky the gun community is getting and how they ridicule and shout down any moderate voice.

Guns aren't going away, so the Left needs to get into gun ownership in a big way if this country is to have any hope of turning back the fascist right-wing tide.

[leftynyc]

214. We just need to be quiet about it

I'm quite content with them thinking we're all unarmed. The element of surprise has won many a battle. We need to have the means to protect ourselves.

[smoking357]

215. Owning Guns Is Good, But You Need to Practice

The Republicans often practice with their guns, and they would love to shoot a Democrat.

In order to get proficient with your guns, you'll have to practice. While at the range, when the n- jokes get made about Obama, you won't be laughing, so they'll start to understand that the Republicans are not alone in their gun ownership.

The biggest mistake the Dems ever made was taking an anti-gun stand.

[leftynyc]

255. I don't hear N- jokes here in NY

at the firing range. But I agree that one needs to practice and that while I have no problem with waiting periods and background checks, the calls for eliminating all handguns was a moronic move for the Democrats who did that.

[smoking357]

258. About Those Background Checks

What's to stop the GOP from banning everyone who commits "political terrorism", e.g., shutting down a government with protests, from owning a gun?

[leftynyc]

266. Nothing, I suppose

but have you heard of anyone trying to get that bullshit through? The pukes don't even want background checks - they want anyone (criminal or insane) to walk into walmart and walk out with an arsenal. I call it the tiny dick syndrome.

[No Elephants]

286. Reasonable regulation does not = "an anti-gun stand."

[TankerKC]

216. Are you calling for...

...2nd Amendment solutions?

[leftynyc]

254. Don't be ridiculous

I'm calling for people to PROTECT THEMSELVES. 2nd amendment solutions are for morons with small dicks.

[No Elephants]

287. "2nd amendment solutions are for morons with small dicks" Like Sharron Angle?

People who think everything is about dick size are...

[leftynyc]

291. Yes, exactly like Sharron Angle

Small dicks is a state of mind. The don't feel any ego or power without firepower.

[bergie321]

10. Time is coming

For a general strike.

[divine_truine]

16. PPL of Wisconsin; whether you are union or not; this is a direct assault on workers everywhere!

MAKE WALKER & HIS REPUBLICAN KOCH-WHORES REGRET THE DAY THEY BECAME A STATE LEGISLATOR. THESE FILTHY, GREEDY REPUBLICANS JUST SPAT IN EVERYONES' FACE WHILE TAKING A CRAP ON THE ELECTIONS THAT PUT THEM IN THOSE POSITIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

This is what happens when the silent majority (the fair-minded among us) stays home on any given election, whether it'd be local, state or federal. Let this serve as lesson for the upcoming 2012 general elections! It's time to do a nation-wide recall effort to remove these traitors from office.

[divine_truine]

78. PPL of Wisconsin; release the Badgers! Devour this F#@K fitzgerald & his COWARDLY gop douchebags!

These 19 senators who held this illegal meeting prior to the vote are f#@king fascists!

[dhill926]

11. they KNOW there's going to be a huge backlash.....

what are their motives, besides being shitstains? To provoke something? Anyone on the ground have some info on this?

[RKP5637]

98. I think it's a well planned test to see how far they can go, just how far can they

push Americans, just how fast can they move America to a fully fascist country with one party rule.

[Doremus]

139. I think you're right.

They've been working on this for decades. They're almost ready and this is a dry run.

How we proles respond is going to determine whether they succeed or not.

[demigoddess]

165. that's what I have been saying

rule by republicans, or aristocracy dictatorship, not much difference

[wmbrew0206]

147. From what I've read, the Rethugs think that the political game changed after

the Affordable Health-care Act passed in Congress last year.

Simply put, if you have the majorities to pass wide sweeping changes, you do it and worry about the political fall out later.

These assholes look at the Health-care bill as a model to enact long wanted changes. Due to re-districting, it is very hard to get a the majorities needed to push unpopular but much wanted changes. The idea is that you pass your wish list when you have the chance and expect the gerrymandering and election cycles to give you just enough support to block any changes to those wish lists, once they become law.

They got their wish, but we'll see if their math is correct in '12.

[leftynyc]

206. They're trying to provoke

violence. That's the visual they want on TV. My fervent hope is people keep their heads and protest peacefully. It's the only way this will work. I'm spitting nails angry also but we can't give them what they want.

[Homer12]

12. I'm from WI

This makes the Rethugs own the union busting bill. They were trying to be legit with the Senate Democrats, but this just show's that regardless of their "budget bill" that this was not even the case.

Like we all know, this has nothing to do with the budget.

[geardaddy]

257. Bingo.

It wasn't about the budget at all.

[JeffersonChick]

13. Here's a link!

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/market_news/article.jsp?content=D9LS1NOG0

I just got this flash. I cannot believe this. I am in shock, feel sick to my stomach, the hairs on my arms are standing up.

I. Just. Can't. Believe. It.

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[theaocp]

104. Sorry. :(

:hug:

[RKP5637]

109. What she doesn't see, or doesn't want to see, is when most of America starts to

fail she will be going down back into nothing, that's what happens when countries start to fail, unless she just plans to abandon her country.

I've seen what you've said happen many times, often those that come from nothing are the worst when they have something.

Very sorry to hear you are experiencing this.

[Paka]

140. This is a good place to rant...

There are so many of us right there with you. My father was a small businessman and worked hard to give us a good life. Yes, he was a Republican, but that was in the days of Ike. Had he lived he would not be with the Rethugs in this new mode of theirs. Sadly, my mother was a faux news addict until the day she died. And my sister and her husband are hard core teabaggers
:eyes:

[glinda]

158. I am sorry....

[Countdown_3_2_1]

14. Its a trap to get the Democratic Senators to come back (nt)

[54anickel]

18. Would they be that sleazy? YES! Just heard from Erpenbach, Dems aren't coming back. Hopefully he

is including Chris Larsen in that collective "we". Larsen was the first heading back on his own. Hope they reached him to turn back around.

[TheEuclideanOne]

30. I thought that they couldn't vote without the democrats

because it would mean they did not have a quorum?

[Tx4obama]

41. They went into commiteee pulled all fiscal elements out of the bill.....

so with no fiscal elements in the bill, no quorum was then needed when the full senate voted on it.
They cheated!
Broke the law by calling the committee and not waiting the 24hours REQUIRED BY STATE law.

[No Elephants]

289. They claim collective bargaining is a budget issue.

[Tx4obama]

100. Here's link regarding the committee and the stripping

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4763013

[MadMaddie]

127. Could be but it was an offical vote!

[No Elephants]

285. Was it an open meeting?

[louslobbs]

15. The game is not over, they have just made their next move and don't realize how stupid a move

it was. They have made this a war and they have simply won a battle, in a war that they can not sustain. The real people are awake and angry, and they are not the propped up Koch Klan's faux astroturf people. This will be a fight and we will win, we have no choice but to win.
Lou

[Sherman A1]

29. Agreed & Well Said

:toast:

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[Iris]

68. This post is why I came to DU as soon as I could.

Thanks. I'm going to keep my chin up!

[Citizen Worker]

17. Strike!

[katty]

19. Bastards, greedy, evil trolls all of them!

[Sonicwall]

20. It'll never pass constitutional muster

This is where the unions will step in and file lawsuits after lawsuits, including federal & state laws that are blatantly violated, and yes, it is an violation of the open meeting laws.

They can't change the rules in the middle of the game just because the Dem's out. It shows blatant partisan move designed to hurt Wisconsonites, and for that, I won't stand. That's why the unions will prevail. And while it's in the dockets, it seals the fates of every single Rethuglicans who voted for it. All 8 will be subject to recall and they'll be removed and replaced with a majority of Democrats to balance out Walker's thuggish behavior until Walker is finally recalled himself and tossed like the useless human being he is.

I stand in solidarity of my union brothers and sisters.

[54anickel]

22. I wish I had your optimism! I'm sick to my stomach and on the verge of balling my eyes out.

I'm a couple hours away, but thinking of driving in...need a sitter.

[kath]

83. er, ummm, I think you mean "bawling"

Unless you're planning sexual release of your frustration and anger... :-)

[54anickel]

187. DOH! Yes...bawling. My mind is not functioning well these days. Been a long few weeks. Gotta pull

my shit together as this is going to be a long, hard battle.

[AC_Mem]

23. Beautifully put

We must stand up against this. I stand with the Unions!

Americans, it is time. Courage, courage, courage.

I have alot of vacation time - I may be headed to Nashville to help out in Tennessee.

Shine On Democrats!
Annette

[FBaggins]

31. Do you assume that something is unconstitutional just because you oppose it?

They've had this option since day one.

What constitutional challenge do you think is possible?

We "stand in solidarity" by beating them at the ballot box (including recalls).

[Sonicwall]

49. I guess you aren't as well-versed...

Look up Wisconsin's open meeting law.

http://www.wisfoic.org/an-openmeetingslaw.html

I suggest you take a close look at Section 19.83(1)(2) and 19.84 (1-4).

I also read 19.85 (exemptions to the law) and saw that there is no exception to exactly what the Republicans did to break the law.

(1) was violated clearly - it was quickly convened and ended within 5 minutes. There was an ignored objection to the meeting.

Also, please note 19.86:

19.86 Notice of collective bargaining negotiations.

Notwithstanding s. 19.82 (1), where notice has been given by either party to a collective bargaining agreement under subch. I, IV or V of ch. 111 to reopen such agreement at its expiration date, the employer shall give notice of such contract reopening as provided in s. 19.84 (1) (b). If the employer is not a governmental body, notice shall be given by the employer's chief officer or such person's designee. This section does not apply to a nonprofit corporation operating the Olympic ice training center under s. 42.11 (3).

[FBaggins]

59. Actually, I am. I was looking at it just last night in fact.

also read 19.85 (exemptions to the law) and saw that there is no exception to exactly what the Republicans did to break the law.

Really? Have you not read that they held a vote on fining the democratic Senators? That vote was already held several days ago, so why would they do it again here? A couple other loopholes may apply, but that sure looks like they were "considering the discipline of a public employee"

Also, please note 19.86:

There aren't any collective bargaining negotiations going on, are there?

[GreenStormCloud]

156. There aren't any collective bargining negotiations going on.

This was a bill to strip the union of that right. Looks like they found a loophole that they could proceed through.

[LemmingWarrior]

193. Walker needs to consider that the security detail

that protects him is the same one he screwed over--I know he exempted fire fighters but how about the police/sheriff?

[No Elephants]

288. He owns the state troopers, tho. Besides, I doubt police would permit

someone to attack or kill him.

[classof56]

38. I stand with you!

Let us hope justice prevails.

Solidarity forever!

[SnakeEyes]

54. they didn't change any rules, just changed the bill

they didnt need a quorum of 20 if they stripped out all financial aspects of the bill.

This is what I was warning about two weeks ago and people said I was crazy to suggest it.

I'm not surprised and neither should you be.

[LemmingWarrior]

198. Repugs like changing the rules

but whine like babies if they think someone do it back at them.

[wmbrew0206]

155. From my understanding, this is all procedure issues in the State House

Federal law doesn't have a lot of say in the way each state conducts its business in terms of state governance. You don't see Federal courts telling a state legislature, "You broke Federal Law when you conducted acts pertaining to how your state handles its own laws."

As far as state law, that is another matter. The state Supreme Court could possibly overturn the law, but its is doubtful as you start getting into one branch of government telling another branch how to run its internal business. You see it occasionally when the US Congress uses internal bylaws to pass legislation though unusual means. The SCOTUS will not take a case that deals with the bylaws of Congress.

Granted this is a state issue and the laws may be different. However, the courts have a history of steering clear of telling the legislature how to do their business.

For the record, I don't agree with this BS that happened tonight. I think it was complete over reach and an extremely sleazy way to pass a law. I just not that hopeful that this can be overturned in state or federal court. I think it will come down to the ruling of the Senate clerk and his judgment will stand.

[54anickel]

21. I figured they were up to no good when Fitzgerald went on FOX earlier today and bragged that

this was about getting the union $$ out of the elections and assuring Obama would not win WI.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/09/scott-fitzgerald-obama

[Sonicwall]

28. What Fitz fails to realize is that union votes in droves

and that Fitz will be thrown out as soon as possible.

And indicted.

And imprisoned along with his corrupt father and his brother for the rest of their pathetic lives.

[Doctor_J]

50. Yes but half of them believe Obama is going to "take away all their guns"

Fitzgerald and the rest of the Repukes will suffer no repercussions for this.

[maryallen]

52. You're assuming elections are fair ...

and that voting machines can't be tampered with. They can ... they have been.

[RKP5637]

103. I sure don't trust the elections. It's all done in the dark, who knows how many

ballots get tossed and miscounted. This country is become something out of a Stephen King novel. And does anyone really trust the black box voting machines.

[blackspade]

24. FUCKING SCUMBAGS!!!!!!

[JJW]

25. Boycott WI products

Time we taught them a lesson and stop buying their cheese and other goods.

[Sherman A1]

32. Call the Division of Tourism and tell them

no Wisconsin vacations.

[NeoConsSuck]

33. You can get started right here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Companies_based_in_Wisconsin

[SnakeEyes]

56. Good idea....

make the workers suffer even more as their company loses money, cuts more benefits, reduces pay, lays off people.

[zinnisking]

58. No. Boycott WI companies that gave money to Walker. There are websites dedicated to it.

I'll look for the website I saw before and post it here on edit.

One company you can start with is Johnsonville Sausage. I used to work there. They consistently give money to Republicans. Dick Cheney was a guest in one of their plants in 2004 during a campaign stop.

And their plants are LITTERED with Koch products; particularly I remember thousands of these steal carts called "zubas" with big bold imprint "KOCH", all the label machines in the new plant were from Koch industries.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Scott-Walker-Contributors/101624709918554

donor database

http://www.wisdc.org/index.php?module=cms&page=12&CTGTZO=-360&CTGTZL=-360

[jwirr]

65. That would seem to only hurt the worker - they are the ones we are

fighting for.

[Plucketeer]

26. un-FUCKING-believeable!!!!

This DOES NOT bode well for peons OR wealthy. :grr::grr::grr:

[RoccoR5955]

27. MOTHRA FORKERS!!!

THIS CANNOT STAND!
THE PEOPLE, UNITED, SHALL *NEVER* BE DEFEATED!

This is it folks. GENERAL STRIKE! Let's show these rats who runs this country, big business, or WE THE PEOPLE!

[Gin]

37. It's a trap Dems.....stay away... (IMO)

[Truth2Tell]

170. Please elaborate. nt

[Guilded Lilly]

34. There is NO surprise in the wretchedness of Republicans

there is no depth low enough for them to squat. There is no act too treacherous and riddled with lies that they cannot attempt.

There will be repercussions. And I can only hope that they are far reaching and deeply destructive to the Republican Party in WI...and everywhere. They have shown a contempt and disregard for Democracy and America's workers EVERYWHERE. Government BY the people? Not to Republicans. And this cannot be permitted to stand.

"Scum" is a compliment regarding these creatures. But name calling does nothing.
FIGHT THEM. NEVER let up. Never let them sleep. Do not go silently into the night. FIGHT THEM.
Every.way.we.can.

[USBlues]

35. I think its time to take to the streets folks

This has got to stop. we should all be heading for Wisconsin tonight to demand an end to this radical corporate take over of our nation. It must stop and it will only be stopped by DIRECT ACTION.

[LemmingWarrior]

195. I'm with ya

I expect to see thousands out in Mich, Wis and Ohio.

[No Elephants]

290. Are you there now?

[guitar man]

36. Strike!!!

And don't fuck around about it, run those picket lines the old school way, enough of this shit!! :grr:

[RoccoR5955]

40. GENERAL STRIKE. Let's show big business who runs this country.

WE THE PEOPLE, or Them the corporations!

[guitar man]

45. Right on!

Fuck them! :grr:

[Freddie Stubbs]

210. What is the "old school way" to run picket lines?

[bluestateguy]

39. General strike?

I was thinking more like a tax strike.

Turning teabagging on its head.

[RoccoR5955]

43. General Strike is the only way. SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY!

Then we show big business that this country is run by WE THE PEOPLE, not them, the corporations!

[marasinghe]

114. yes. past time to stake this generation of bloodsuckers.

we've all been walking softly since obama got in.
and the fascist swine think it is weakness.
no more room for retreat; it has to end here.

[FJeff]

42. time for a general strike.

[Cieran_WI]

70. I'll see your cat and raise you a badger!

[endless october]

46. i wonder how many conservatives

will step up and take teaching jobs for lousy pay / benefits and no bargaining rights.

[SnakeEyes]

66. Any of them that are unemployed.

Just watch.. it's the same as when they had that plant raid on undocumented immigrants and people showed up the next day by the thousands to work jobs they weren't supposed to be willing to work.

[Tx4obama]

48. UPDATE - Barca calls actions illegal, plans to contact AG

Barca calls actions illegal, plans to contact AG

Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, D-Kenosha, denounced tonight's actions as illegal and said he planned to contact the attorney general to request an investigation.

“It is a continuation of a pattern of a naked abuse of power," Barca said.

http://budget.wispolitics.com/2011/03/barca-calls-actions-illegal-plans-to.html

[Imajika]

53. The AG is a right wing Republican...

..I don't think we are going to get a lot of help from him.

[Tx4obama]

80. The dem senator on Maddow's show tonght says all this is going to end up in court. n/t

[Imajika]

85. Maybe, but generally speaking, courts rarely get involved...

...in the affairs of how the Legislature conducts its business.

If the AG rules the GOP acted properly, it is hard for me to see the courts getting involved.

[sybylla]

148. If the AG rules the GOP acted properly despite all the precident that says otherwise

he'll be recalled, too.

[shanti]

168. not so fast

we californians just got over schwarzenegger's 7 year reign of terror, with tons of lawsuits. of course, the courts were paid off, and he got what he wanted, but not totally. there are still lawsuits going thru the system as we speak.

[neoralme]

208. Not only that, but they now may be compromised. The tentacles

seem to go farther these days. Fascism is on the move. Notwithstanding what I am posting, if the phony ostensible acceptance of the bill carries forward, any court action may be so delayed it may become worthless.

[lunasun]

169. what does the wisc supreme court look like it is made of ?

[Tx4obama]

73. UPDATE: Dem senator on Maddow's show says the DEM 14 are NOT coming back

He said that they do not trust the republicans.
And that until the new revamped bill passes the Assembly the GOP could lock the Dems in the Capitol and bring back the original bill and pass it by trickery!

Good! The Dems are not going to fall for a trap!

[JEB]

55. Recall,

recall, recall, recall. Fire the corporate shills. Working people deserve better from their representatives.

[jwirr]

57. I hope that the people keep up with their recalls on all the rethugs

they can. And I hope the 14 take this to court. We need to keep this movement alive regardless of one battle lost. We need to win the war and I think we are winning that. The opinion war which will help in the next election. And because the unions are losing the money (power) as the rethugs want to support Democratic candidates this may very well be the last election we stand any chance against the corporate money. This election is going to be critical to our future: Democrats with all our faults vs. teabagging rethugs and their corporations. That is the issue.

[JEB]

61. General Strike, Nationwide.

Time for us workers to tighten our belts and inflict a bit of pain on the Corporate Overlords. Let the machine grind to a stop.

[RKP5637]

124. People have to realize by now they're next, they're coming for the non-union workers. As this

grows workers will be driven into despair with pathetic wages, benefits and a really low standard of living. It's all part of the plan to bring Americans to serfdom. Cheap homegrown slave labor, that is what this is all about. This is one step of many. They have it planned. And they are driving for one party rule of the US. 400 people on Rachel Maddow tonight, per Michael Moore, own 1/2 of the wealth of this country. This is outrageous.

[RBInMaine]

62. So, the folks who say there's no difference between D's and R's are singing a different tune now?

If not they should be.

[Tx4obama]

63. UPDATE - THE BILL IS ILLEGAL - THERE IS A FUNDING REDUCTION IN THE BILL

markos RT @ddayen: on page 12 of the non-fiscal bill the Senate passed, there's a supplemental funding reduction http://bit.ly/i8QC59 #wiunion

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/2011-13%20Budget/2011_03_09%20Modification%20to%20SS%20SB%2011_AB%2011.pdf

[B3Nut]

Interesting.

The Repubs must not be very adept at proofreading if this is the case...

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

[Tx4obama]

76. Or it's a trick

They could have done it on purpose, thinking that the Dems would come back, then lock them in the Capitol and bring back the original bill and pass it with the quorum there.

A Dem senator said something similar about maybe the GOP'ers are trying to get them back and then trick them.
(except he didn't mention that the fiscal element is in the new bill, he might not know about that yet).

[ProudDad]

64. I'd almost be willing to get a job in order to participate in

A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE

[Dave From Canada]

71. Are you retired or something?

[ProudDad]

278. Yep...or something...

I work more hours per week than when I slaved for the Corporate Massa...

But since it's music and doing my bit to improve the human condition, it's not valued in this fucked up country...

So, I live on Social Security...

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[PavePusher]

275. MASSIVE. FACEPALM.

Irony, it is yummy.

[ProudDad]

295. Which is the ironic part...

The fact that I am indeed receiving the benefits of the Social Insurance Policy that I paid in all of my working life?

Or the fact that I'm using my Social Insurance Payments to try to keep the forces of repression from taking away my earned benefit?

[DailyGrind]

292. Ha ha, I actually had to sign up just to reply to this comment

That's the funniest thing I've read online in some time. Thanks for the comic relief.

[ProudDad]

296. Whatever it takes to get your participation...

:hi:

[Tx4obama]

74. UPDATE: Dem senator on Maddow's show says the DEM 14 are NOT coming back

He said that they do not trust the republicans.
And that until the new revamped bill passes the Assembly the GOP could lock the Dems in the Capitol and bring back the original bill and pass it by trickery!

Good! The Dems are not going to fall for a trap!

[RamboLiberal]

77. Bastards! Recall Wisc. Recall! n/t

[Historic NY]

81. They didn't even have a voting quorum.

[Tx4obama]

89. If there isn't anything fiscal in the bill then a quorum is not needed.

This evening they went into committee and stripped out all the fiscal elements, then the full senate (minus the dems) voted on the bill.

But some one has found something fiscal on page 12 of the bill - so, now we will have to see if the Assembly will be able to vote on it tomorrow!

[drm604]

94. All along they said that all of that stuff was necessary for the economy of Wisconsin,

and now they're saying it's not fiscal.

What. The. Fuck.

Is it fiscal or not? Were they lying before or are they lying now?

:grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad::grr::mad:

[Historic NY]

95. Its time to sent those 18 lying MF'ers into hiding.

[Capitalocracy]

191. Both. nt

[Tx4obama]

99. Here's a link regarding the committee and the stripping

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4763013

[minnesota_liberal]

82. FULL Senate?

Um, no.

[Tx4obama]

92. Yes, it was a full senate vote as opposed to a committe vote.

I know the dems weren't there but it was a full senate vote.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

84. Next Time, AMERICA!

VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[peace frog]

90. Right on

[LemmingWarrior]

196. Some like learning the hard way how not voting can.....

effect you life suddenly and in a very real way. Too busy--too bad! VOTE!

[jimlup]

86. OH FUCK!

[Initech]

87. God damn it.

:grr: :argh:

[RKP5637]

88. USA, INC. USA, INC. CITIZENS GO TO HELL, THIS IS FASCISM!!!

[LemmingWarrior]

197. Plutocracy

and fascism welcome to America!

[RKP5637]

91. RECALL AND IMPEACH THEM!!!

[Mulhane]

219. Why didn't the lone Democrat filibuster them GOP-style?

or is that only permissable to stop progress in D.C?

[RKP5637]

277. Certainly a typical GOP tactic, I don't know how a filibuster works in WI. n/t

[Ramulux]

93. I cant believe someone voted against it

That means if they had done this legally it would have failed.

[neoralme]

96. I had to sign up here to find what this means. Does this mean

there is no recourse other than a General Strike? Should the Democratic Senators stay out? Is what they did legal? TIA

[Tx4obama]

106. Well.... there is what I've heard so far

The dem senators said what the gop senators did was illegal. GOP broke a state law.

The dem senators are reviewing the legalities and one senator said that all of this will probably end up in court.

The dem senators are saying that they are NOT coming back to Wisconsin, they will stay in Illinois because they think Walker has more tricks up his sleeve.

[neoralme]

123. Thanks. I am afraid of this passing and time healing the wounds. They

cannot be allowed to get away with this.

[glinda]

159. Welcome! You will learn a lot here btw.

[Captain Boomerang]

97. It's all about taking Democracy away.

It would be nice to see all the city employees go on strike,
or do a massive walk out,
but I bet that the WI-18 already have a plan for that too.

In the immortal words of Ice Cube from Boys in the Hood; Domino Motherfucker!

[FJeff]

105. better immortal words

In the words of Grace Slick, "Up against the wall, motherfuckers."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wYwv-k5MWM

[marasinghe]

133. +1

[lunasun]

185. strike and they could get fired like PATCO went down with Reagan

he declared "peril to national safety" end of game and union has never been the same and PATCO gone

I am bitter in a weird way because IMO the time to protest and get in the streets about all that is going down in this country was
1. Reagan/PATCO firings/decertification happened
2. about 10 yrs later when Clinton whipped out his pen and signed NAFTA

I am afraid that this country's working people are too divided and too late now( these were a few critical changes in jobs here -there were others too just too tired to think)

Just like PATCO refused to go along union lines and back Carter and instead they decided to back Reagan before he screwed them I have to wonder how many people in Wisc. getting screwed now voted for Walker for a variety of reasons.
I hope this is a wake up call to all workers to unite and stay that way.
It is the only way but you know some scab although a worker bee too,wont think twice about filling the empty spot at a lower $$
and that is the domino scene that could start a real motherfuck on paychecks

[subterranean]

101. This just underscores the point that it's not about the budget.

They were only able to do this BECAUSE it has no fiscal impact.

It's a naked power grab, plain and simple.

[RKP5637]

135. Exactly! Exactly what is going on! And they would like to extend this across

America, and one party rule with a fascist country. With the citizens pressed into slave labor.

[valerief]

102. REVOLUTION!!! LITERALLY THROW THE BUMS OUT!!! NT

[BklynThirtyThree]

107. as Bronson would say

this ain't over

[ChadwickHenryWard]

108. This is a Pyrrhic victory at best.

Sure, Walker may get to sign his bill into law. But this is the biggest fucking deal ever. The whole nation is outraged over this. It will come crashing down on them eventually.

[Name removed]

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[RufusTFirefly]

138. Chill, dude. This is the Peoples' House. Burning won't solve anything. n/t

[Tx4obama]

111. Breaking - UPDATE - Walker has called in state troopers to remove protesters

Mudflats

RT @MikeElk: Madison Police & Dane County Sheriff have refused 2 remove protesters, Walker has called in State Troopers 2 do job #wiunion

[Tx4obama]

119. Update #2

RT @MikeElk: Reports at least 5,000 people inside of Capitol #wiunion 2 minutes ago via TweetDeck

[Tx4obama]

121. Update #3

RT @MikeElk: Mayor of Madison Dave Cieslewicz among protesters currently occupying the Capitol #wiunion

[Jon Ace]

122. It's gonna get ugly in there...

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[ElsewheresDaughter]

115. This will not stand!

[Jon Ace]

116. IN BEFORE GENERAL STRIKE

What's the over/under on how many days before Wisconsin is on strike?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

120. CRIMINAL THUGS....I just hope the 14 stay away...because....

this may just be a move to get them to come back in state so that then the bastards can hold a revote in seconds notice of the Dems return and then it will be made legal.

[MadMaddie]

134. Bingo!

From what I have read they are not going back because they think it is a trick!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

146. it is a trick...because they know what they did was against the law...not just house rules but .....

AGAINST WISCONSIN LAW

[glinda]

160. Good move by them.

[LemmingWarrior]

200. That thought crossed my mind

and now we know they're dirty enough to do it!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

126. and on a Holy day...Ash Wednesday...Lent...I will not be able to forgive them

[roxiejules]

128. ASH WEDNESDAY MASSACRE

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

[ekelly]

129. They must have known this was an illegal move...

does anyone think they did it to try to incite violence?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

136. I thought they did it to make the 14 think it's time to come back...then the sec they do .......

the rethugs will call within seconds a revote and then it will be legit

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[Soylent Brice]

130. wow.

Just wow.

[AsahinaKimi]

131. Time to shut down the STATE

Make the Governor and the REPUBLICANS PAY! The NATIONAL GUARD CAN'T DO THE JOBS OF WISCONSIN. SHUT DOWN THE STATE.

[WheelWalker]

141. The die is cast

[GSLevel9]

142. but as long as Charlie Sheen is saying great lines...

America's not paying much attention to Wi...

Note to the unenthusiastic voters last November...


THERE!!! Happy now? And guess what, stay pissy and stay at home NEXT YEAR and Palin (or her ilk) will make Walker look like Michael Moore.

Elections HAVE consequences.

[tiny elvis]

189. yes, unrepresented people are becoming angrier every day

i am sure that their new enthusiasm makes you and i both happy
calling a response to disenfranchisement unenthusiastic and pissy comes from the position
that the party is catholic and inviolate
which is cool on this board, but a mistake which brings misfortune

[mvd]

144. Illegal. Tie it up in court and never obey it

General strike instead. Now America maybe sees what fascists the Repukes are? I changed my avatar in solidarity.

[gracchorumspes]

145. Very sad.

The protesters against Walker are admirable role models. They are the adult figures, but tragically, they are not in the position of authority. Instead, the politicians --the Repubs, that is-- in WI are childish: their views are quite myopic and misguided. If only the adults were at the helm!

[tavalon]

150. Lying a little bit, CNN?

Did the 14 Senators who left to avoid this steamroll get forgotten in your excitement?

[Kdillard]

153. Don't expect CNN to get the facts right.

[femrap]

151. We live in a

fascist dictatorship. And our great leader is part of it. I'm sick..........:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[be_long]

154. we won't be sending flowers

tomorrow's Wisconsin headlines, 18 Republicans commit suicide, and the Governor encouraged their political death.

what a way to die in Wisconsin. we won't be sending flowers.

[Mybrokenchains]

161. how in the @#&$ can you vote over someone stating a law?!?

bullshit of the highest caliber,
recall them all.

[CarrieLynne]

162. live stream of protests inside the capitol building here..

http://www.livestream.com/theuptake

my heart is with you Wisconsin! i SOOO wish I could be there!! <3

[bergie321]

163. This is their "let them eat cake" moment

The nation is going to explode at this rate

[bergie321]

164. It will be hilarious

To see how the fascist Supreme Court will try to worm their way out of allowing corporations to have "free speech" but deny it to unions.

[Iliyah]

167. Gov Walker

wants a strike so he can fire most the union members. I hope the Union heads understand this, and tell the union members to go to work. The recall will work, but piss Gov off even more by not doing what he expects them to do. We have time on our side, thats why they rushed it. Wait these assholes out. Keep the protest up, all fucking year until Gov. Walker is removed.

I just read a tweet which says the Unions are taking his taxes from him, go figure. The Coporate Media and major internet bases are pro-Corporate. Get the message out through the internet, tweets, youtube, word by mouth. Tell the truth, give the facts.

[stubtoe]

166. I stand with my Union brothers and Sisters in support of a general strike.

Stand strong, Wisconsin public workers, and show them what democracy is all about.

[onehandle]

171. He'll never be elected for anything ever again. He just ended his political career.

One term. Possibly only one year of one term if recalled.

Then Walker can go off to be rewarded with millions funneled through to him at a conservative think tank.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

173. we need to know where and who the state & federal judges were appointed . what are our chances?

did Bush stack these courts?

[humbled_opinion]

174. Wis. GOP bypasses Dems, cuts collective bargaining

Source: AP

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The Wisconsin Senate voted Wednesday night to strip nearly all collective bargaining rights from public workers, approving an explosive proposal that had rocked the state and unions nationwide after Republicans discovered a way to bypass the chamber's missing Democrats.

All 14 Senate Democrats fled to Illinois nearly three weeks ago, preventing the chamber from having enough members present to consider Gov. Scott Walker's "budget-repair bill" - a proposal introduced to plug a $137 million budget shortfall.

The Senate requires a quorum to take up any measures that spend money. But Republicans on Wednesday separated from the legislation the proposal to curtail union rights, which spends no money, and a special committee of lawmakers from both the Senate and Assembly approved the bill a short time later.

The unexpected yet surprisingly simple procedural move ended a stalemate that had threatened to drag on indefinitely. Until Wednesday's stunning vote, it appeared the standoff would persist until Democrats returned to Madison from their self-imposed exile

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WISCONSIN_BUDGET_UNIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-09-19-45-22

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Did the Unions lose the battle? WTF !!

[Grassy Knoll]

175. If you can't beat em, CHEAT um.

[aggiesal]

176. As I understand it, ...

If the bill has nothing to do with a budget, they don't need a quorum.

So, they stripped out everything budgetary, and left non-budget items
in, like "No Collective Bargaining", then voted and passed the new
"NON-BUDGET" bill.

Which only proves that this never had anything to do with the budget,
and everything to do with Union busting.

[sybylla]

181. Except that for the past three weeks they've been swearing all over the place that it was budgetary

So they want it both ways, I guess. It's budgetary because it will "help them balance the budget" but it's not budgetary when it's time to pass it.

As Rachel Maddow said tonight, why wait three weeks to do this if they could have done it all along?

[SnakeEyes]

183. in that it supposedly impacts future budgets

but it's not a direct fiscal bill as defined by WI law. To be a fiscal bill it has to be a bill "which imposes, continues or renews a tax, or creates a debt or charge, or makes, continues or renews an appropriation of public or trust money, or releases, discharges or commutes a claim or demand of the state," the last part being financial claim or demand. Because the collective bargaining doesn't specifically change any tax, appropriates or claims/demands, only the rules by which some of those will be decided later, they didn't need the same quorum for it as they did when it contained the other fiscal matters

This is what I warned about two weeks ago and everyone said I was crazy for suggesting it.

[Iliyah]

188. No not law

if improper. There will be a stay. Money does not buy everything.

[rayofreason]

262. you were right, not crazy. n/t

[wavygravy]

182. Deemed

I think they just deemed it passed.

[corpseratemedia]

177. Just like the Nazi Party

[LemmingWarrior]

204. The Germans didn't see what was happening then

and the Repug/baggers don't see what's happening now AND it's right under their nose!

[bergie321]

256. Pastor Martin Niemoller Said It Best

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews Muslims,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew Muslim.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[L. Coyote]

178. Will the Assembly be able to enter the Capital tomorrow?

There may be a revolt in Wisconsin by morning.

[Frisbee]

179. I certainly hope so.

[SnakeEyes]

184. apparently they are able to get in and out via

underground tunnel.

[Mulhane]

222. More likely they held the star chamber vote

IN the tunnel, then.

[Cieran_WI]

180. Bucky Badger says...

[lunasun]

186. was the part about the utilities being sold no bid to folks like Koch in the bill too? nt

[NuclearDem]

190. Wait what

No, wait, Walker, you can't do-
No you can't make that hap-
Q
Qu
Quor...

AHHHHHHHHH

[harris8]

199. Support the Wisconsin Recall - via ActBlue

Even $5 helps. Link: http://www.actblue.com/page/wiscrecall

[LemmingWarrior]

201. Thanks for the link

going there now!

[Tx4obama]

263. And here's another link with MORE recall info that includes Act Blue

http://www.recalltherepublican8.com/

[Hannah Bell]

205. it isn't law until it's voted on in assembly, tomorrow 11 am

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

209. Everybody knows the good guys lost

Everybody knows the fight was fixed

The poor stay poor, the rich get rich

[smoking357]

212. Why do Republicans Love Cops But Hate Teachers?

The Republicans went to war with the teachers, but allowed the pigs to continue to have their union. Why do the Republicans hate teachers but love cops? Could it be because the Republicans are an angry, uneducated, violent, malevolent mob who love seeing the cops kill people?

A teacher usually does some good. A pig is usually a blight on a community who adds nothing, causes fear, strips freedom, and sucks a lot of taxpayer dollars.

Plus, teachers normally do their job without putting on a costume.

[yurbud]

218. it's not about how they value the job (they don't value any of us) but breaking workers and breaking

a source of donations to the Democratic party.

If nursing mothers were major donors to the Democratic party, the GOP would try to crush them too.

[Fearless]

220. That's not the full Senate! With link to... gasp... facts...

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/contact/legislatorslist.aspx?house=senate

[Mulhane]

221. Cost of not voting

Randy Rhodes contends that all of this is a result of low voter turnout midterm in the base. Youth and minority turnout way down + Progressive anger over Obama's GOP-lite lusterless leadership.

[kpete]

223. Wisconsin GOP Anti-Union Vote Violates State’s Open Meetings Law

Source: Think Progress

Wisconsin GOP Anti-Union Vote Violates State’s Open Meetings Law

Last night, Wisconsin GOP lawmakers called a surprise conference committee meeting and then rammed an anti-union bill through the state senate. Yet, by forcing the bill through without legally required public notice, the senators may have ensured that the bill will be declared void.

Wisconsin law requires all government meetings to be conducted publicly and with advance notice except under very limited circumstances. According to a guide to Wisconsin’s open meetings law prepared by the state’s Republican attorney general:
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/AWP/2007OMCG-PRO/2007_OML_Compliance_Guide.pdf

*****The provision in Wis. Stat. § 19.84(3) requires that every public notice of a meeting be given at least twenty-four hours in advance of the meeting, unless “for good cause” such notice is “impossible or impractical.” If “good cause” exists, the notice should be given as soon as possible and must be given at least two hours in advance of the meeting. … If there is any doubt whether “good cause” exists, the governmental body should provide the full twenty-four-hour notice. ...

*****Wis. Stat. § 19.97(3) provides that a court may void any action taken at a meeting held in violation of the open meetings law if the court finds that the interest in enforcing the law outweighs any interest in maintaining the validity of the action.

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/10/wisconsin-legal-problems/

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VIDEO:
Yet, when state Rep. Peter Barca (D) informed his colleagues of this legal requirement during tonight’s conference committee, the committee’s Republican majority ignored his protests and voted to approve the bill while Barca was still explaining why their actions were illegal. Watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2fkrZEYKFo&feature=player_embedded



UPDATE:We might have some citizens willing to participate in an enforcement action:

Outside the Assembly chamber, House Minority Leader Peter Barca allowed protesters to fill out forms listing themselves as witnesses to a violation of the state's open meetings laws stemming from the Republicans' earlier conference committee meeting.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110310/ts_nm/us_wisconsin

[meegbear]

224. Is anybody on the ground there following up on this?

I heard on NPR this morning one of the repugs saying that they checked this with all these legislative authorities before doing this.

[kpete]

225. see update

[meegbear]

228. +1

[Pacifist Patriot]

226. Watching that live was just surreal. And then seeing it again on Rachel ....

set me off. Everyone at work this morning has been asking why I'm so hoarse. "Screaming at my laptop last night" is going to have to suffice as an explanation for now.

[Iliyah]

227. Don't yknow

the gopers are above the law. The law does not apply to them b/c they are the chosen ones, picked by GOD.

[SpiralHawk]

229. Republicons are infamous for their OCCULTISM

They like to do all their skullduggery out of the LIGHT of day and public view. They hide every shameful thing they do -- the go into the public squares and proclaim their 'holiness' like the Pharisees they are...

Ptooooey on Republicon occultism.

[lanlady]

230. may this be challenged in court, asap

Who knew that Stalinist tactics were to be found in Wisconsin? I hope the entire state GOP is brought down by this move.

[Pharaoh]

231. Wisconsin Conference Committee Passes New, Stripped-Down Anti-Union Bill

Source: TPM

The special conference committee in Wisconsin -- convened in order to strip out the fiscal elements of Gov. Scott Walker's budget repair bill, in order to pass the anti-public employee union proposals and avoid the state SenateDemocratic boycott of the three-fifths budget quorum -- just met for roughly five minutes and passed the bill.

Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D) attempted to make a motion to delay the meeting -- and was not recognized for a motion by the chair, state Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald. Barca argued, over Fitzgerald's attempts to say there would be no motions, that the conference committee violated the state's open meetings law, which requires at least 24 hours notice before a government meeting, unless there is good cause to act more quickly.

The bill then passed in committee on a 4-2, party-line margin -- and in a surreal sight, the online feed of the state equivalent of C-Span, Wisconsin Eye, faded out to tranquil music as the video was playing the shouting and ire of the meeting itself.

The bill to strip away most collective bargaining for public employee unions, and impose new limits on union organization, is now headed to the full chambers.



Read more: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/wisconsin-conference-committee-passes-new-stripped-down-anti-union-bill.php

[Tx4obama]

232. The SENATE has voted and passed the bill 18-1

via Twitter

BreakingNews

In 18-1 vote, Wis. Senate approves bill to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights

[Blue Owl]

233. Begin the recall

NOW

[Kdillard]

235. Only thing left is for a recall. Hopefully the newspapers will also be filled with

Dems screaming about the sleazines of what they just did to get that thing passed.

[Citizen Worker]

236. Strike!

[Sonicwall]

237. Lawsuits will be aimed and fired at...

It's an unconstituional law and will not pass muster through the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

[aggiesal]

241. Not only that, but as I understand it, ...

Wisconsin receives FEDERAL dollars for transportation infrastructure, and
one of the conditions is that there be a collective bargaining system in place
for their public unions.

If Wisconsin Republicans continue down this course, they will lose all kinds
of FEDERAL money, and their public transportation system all over the state could
shutdown.

This would be a major job killer, and could throw Wisconsin alone into a recession.

[BOHICA12]

248. There is a collective bargaining system ....

.... there is now less to bargain.

[sybylla]

251. If this doesn't do it, Walker's budget will

One way or another, Wisconsin is going down the tubes.

Whether we win or lose, it will be catastrophic for the state. What we're fighting for is how we move forward and pull out of this.

[SnakeEyes]

242. Why is it an unconstitutional law?

[JJW]

238. Boycott WI products

No more cheese curds!

[NeoConsSuck]

240. List of companies based in Wisconsin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Companies_based_in_Wisconsin

[SnakeEyes]

244. This only hurts the workers

and people of WI

[Doctor_J]

247. And is completely useless

ref: AZ boycott.

[ladywnch]

250. WRONG!!!!! you're shooting the wrong target! n/t

[hollowdweller]

239. Will they go out?

I don't see any option for the employees other than to shut down the state and prevent anybody from crossing the picket line.

[JEB]

243. This is like firing on Ft. Sumpter.

The GOP and their corporate masters are dead set on a Class War.

[Doctor_J]

246. Yes, except we won't fight back

It's not really a "war" when only one side is fighting.

[Doctor_J]

245. Another huge setback for democracy

Fairness Doctrine, Bush v. Gore, Citizens United, now this. And no repercussions for the culprits, and no useful pushback from our side. America is dead.

[neoralme]

249. If the union acquiesces, it will be a disaster, but how much will it

hurt Obama? Unions will still plow money into the 2012 election, although if they don't get a Democrat in, funding for the following election may be difficult.

[L. Coyote]

234. REC

[krispos42]

252. Ha ha!

WisGOP sucks

[buck_lewis]

253. didn't realize

that the unions own the state.

[Wisconsin_2_Nation]

259. I am so glad they did this

I was so afraid they would compromise and this whole thing would end.

This is the spark, only the beginning and I thank Walker every day for kick starting it and showing just how stupid and tyrannical his people are.

It seems that a whole group of them were just pulled out of Cheney/Rove's basement, trained in fascism, sent to be governors, but not spend a whole heck of a lot of time with real people.

Their ignorance is our blessing.

[libmom74]

260. And this morning

after the WI GOP illegal vote Obama holds a press conference on school bullying. :mad:

[Doctor_J]

270. that's our leader

can't find those walking shoes.

[libmom74]

273. Maybe Bo ate them

my dog prefers flip flops.

[felix_numinous]

261. How clearer can the line in the sand be drawn-

for the international corporatocracy---or for the American people.

We have come down to it, and I HOPE our men and women in uniform DEFEND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! That will make all the difference in the world.

Please, police men and women, stand up for all of us, for peaceful people who only want basic rights.

[mike3121]

264. Not to worry folks

The liberal Wisconsin State Supreme Court will soon void this vote.

[KamaAina]

265. It took them three weeks to figure out they could cut out the spending provisions?

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

Unless, of course, they deliberately prolonged this because they wanted to see the Chicago 14 come crawling back on their hands and knees. :eyes:

[Rene]

267. of course the suppression of collective bargaining is linked to the Power Plant sell off

Those two articles in the Wisconsin Budget Bill are completely intertwined.
Breaking the Unions collective bargaining AND purchase of Power Plants.

Not IF....but WHEN Walker sells off the Wisconsin Power Plants to Koch Brothers, with NO BID, they will not want union workers in place that they'd have to deal with.

The Kock's are having their lackeys clear the way to explooiting workers and limiting their collective union protections/strengths, once they move in with their purchasing power and start to buy public facilities.

Same for Teachers.....when Corporatists' have their minions move government to privatize schooling and decimate public schols....they want the Unions out of the way..

[abqmufc]

269. In the words of the Clash....

"when they kick in your front door, how you gonna go with your hands on your head or on the trigger of a gun?" - Guns of Brixton

"You have the right to remain silent
You are warned that anything you say
Can and will be taken down
And used as evidence against you" - Know your Rights

[MNBrewer]

271. It wasn't the FULL SENATE

It was vote on the Senate floor as opposed to a vote in a Senate committee, but it was NOT the FULL SENATE.

[nalnn]

272. I may have missed it in the fires burning above but

What is the next legislative/legal course of action for the workers, unions and democrats of WI?

[james0tucson]

274. not illegitimate

After all, as far as I know, the Governor, and every member of the legislature, was put there in a fair at-large election.

If this does not teach people about the importance of being politically involved and voting, nothing will.

I really don't see the problem. Elect different politicians next time, and reverse all these policies then!

[TNLib]

276. Hopefully WI voters will get a clue and throw the bums out

[TroglodyteScholar]

279. This post has a seriously misleading title.

Why would you say such a thing?

[Tx4obama]

283. Because ....

There was a thread in LBN when the 'senate committee' passed the bill.
Then the 'full senate' voted on the bill.
'Full Senate' does NOT mean 'everyone' that holds a senate seat was physically there, but it does mean all that were there.
We all know that the DEM 14 were not there.

p.s. And besides editing time for the OP's title expired over a day ago!
So, there's nothing I can do about it.