NY TIMES, PAGE 1: "Bush Was Warned"

[PSU84]

Bush Was Warned of Possible Attack in U.S., Official Says

By ERIC LICHTBLAU and DAVID E. SANGER

THE NEW YORK TIMES April 10, 2004

WASHINGTON, April 9 — President Bush was told more than a month before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, that supporters of Osama bin Laden planned an attack within the United States with explosives and wanted to hijack airplanes, a government official said Friday. The warning came in a secret briefing that Mr. Bush received at his ranch in Crawford, Tex., on Aug. 6, 2001. A report by a joint Congressional committee last year alluded to a "closely held intelligence report" that month about the threat of an attack by Al Qaeda, and the official confirmed an account by The Associated Press on Friday saying that the report was in fact part of the president's briefing in Crawford.

The disclosure appears to contradict the White House's repeated assertions that the briefing the president received about the Qaeda threat was "historical" in nature and that the White House had little reason to suspect a Qaeda attack within American borders.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/10/politics/10PANE.html?hp

[bobthedrummer]

1. LIHOP.

LIHOP.

[PSU84]

4. ?

What does "LIHOP" mean? Lying in high official places? :)

[Alenne]

6. Let it happen on purpose

[cosmicdot]

10. if not MIHOP ... they needed a catalyst to jump start their agenda

[reprobate]

135. You mean the "New American Pearl Harbor"?

In the words of the PNAC.

[cosmicdot]

139. yes.

[BeyondGeography]

28. It's also shorthand for "The Loony Left"

Then again, I could spend the rest of my life on the grassy knoll trying to convince the LIHOP crowd that BushCo really didn't LIHOP.

Ya know, LIHOP'ers, maybe Bush is just incompetent. Ever think of that?

[mouse7]

41. Stop acting like Pentacostals looking at an Evolution textbook

The behaviors of one covering one's eyes, sticking one's fingers in one's ears and yelling, "I don't hear you" every time one is in the presence of hard evidence in order to prevent you absorbing any of this evidence does not mean there isn't hard evidence. There is hard evidence. Tons of it. The religious belief there is no hard evidence about 9/11 responsibility is the exact same as the religious belief in creationism.

[sal]

128. LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALAL

LALALALClenis did it!LALALALALALALALHistorical document!LALALALALALALALwith all due respect, Commissioer!LALALALALALALALALALALALALA!

[Occulus]

81. Ever wonder why we have criminal conspiracy statutes?

Hello???? Conspiracies- criminal ones- do exist. This isn't just some loony idea; there's really a great deal of evidence, none of it trivial, to support a LIHOP conclusion.

Lokk- the only way LIHOP makes any sense at all is if they assumed it would be a traditional hijacking. Excuse me- that it would "only" be a traditional hijacking, since international political matters are much more important than the lives of a planeful of people (!!).

That's where they messed up; they ended up with over 3000 dead. Coincidentally, PNAC obtained in this way their aforementioned "new Pearl Harbor." Also coincidentally, every failure in the system that needed to happen for 9/11 to occur also happened. Also coincidentally, it was one terrible pilot. Come on!!!

How big of a paper trail does one need to conclude that a conspiratorial crime was committed? Detectives in police departments do this kind of unraveling every working day of their careers; perhaps we should present our evidence and suspicions to that group and let them tell us if there's anything there. Hey, at least we'd be dealing with people practiced in this sort of thing...

[drfemoe]

147. Hey! Very Good Point ..

"Ordinary" people are arrested for 'conspiracy' charges all the time. Would these people who don't 'believe' in conspiracies not agree that at least the HIJACKERS had a conspiracy?

And that now, in some cases I've heard about, regular citizens are being CHARGED with conspiracies (ie aid to terrorist, etc)? If there's no such thing as a CONSPIRACY, I guess we can let everyone off the hook.

No one can keep a secret? There is a big hole in the ground in NY which defies the assertion that there is no such thing as a conspiracy. Somebody PLANNED that.

[Character Assassin]

173. You're talking to one right now....

Detectives in police departments do this kind of unraveling every working day of their careers; perhaps we should present our evidence and suspicions to that group and let them tell us if there's anything there. Hey, at least we'd be dealing with people practiced in this sort of thing...

It's what I do every day, and I love my job.

So far, up to and including Rice going before that panel, I see nothing other than political wishful-thinking and irrationality.

[fla nocount]

91. Yep

And Oswald was just a really good shot........and a pin-ball wizard.

[roscoeroscoe]

118. that's the stupid or evil arguement

i vote all of the above!

[number6]

136. Bush stupid and evil, period.

..

[robbob]

149. Ya know, LIHOP doesn't have to mean

...that there was some massive conspiracy afoot. It could simply mean that, in August of 2001 when b* and co. were presented with this very specific warning somebody (Cheney? Asscrack?) suggested that they let things play out and see what happens. Don't forget, before 9-11 b*'s numbers were tanking and his whole agenda was being derailed by the incompetance of his administration and the taint of his illegitimacy. Immeadiately after 9-11, they quickly swung into action with some of the most draconian neo-con legislation we've ever seen, and no one to oppose them.

I doubt if they were expecting the huge loss of life that 9-11 produced, but I find it very likely that they conscienciously decided not to act on the warnings they recieved, hoping for a much smaller scale attack that would bolster their political position.

[lightbulb]

155. BeyondGeography please read

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's here, but as a member of the Loony Left I feel obligated to make sure you're privy to the same information as the rest of us.

[TeeYiYi]

158. Excellent link lightbulb! . . .

Very thorough archive of the 9/11 timeline. If people read nothing else at this website, they should read the WARNINGS page. http://cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/foreignwarnings.html

Some of these warnings were included in Bush's August 6 briefing. No wonder they don't want it declassified. :grr:

TYY

[TomNickell]

37. LIHOP=BULLSHIT.

LIHOP is shorthand for Conspiracist nonsense--that 'the Government' or 'Bush' knew the date and time of the attacks, ordered the Gov't agencies to aid the hijackers, and that that agencies complied happily. And stayed quiet about it.

LIHOP has nothing whatever to do with progressive or Democratic politics.

Quite the contrary, really.

[mouse7]

42. Read post #41n/t

[sendero]

67. Your definition...

... of LIHOP is what's bullshit.

My definition of LIHOP is that Bush* knew *something* was going to happen and *actively* avoided doing anything about it.

If you look at the hard evidence, it is almost impossible to not believe in my version of LIHOP.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

76. But 80 agents from many agencies raided a Muslim IT server in Texas 9/5/01

So here is a combination of too little too late (organizational inertia) and LIHOP. Both of these scenarios are true, not just one.

This massive raid suggests that there were people who made an effort to stop the attacks. There were also a group of neocons ready to take advantage of successful attacks.

Figuring out who helped and who hindered is the key.

This appears to be the first action taken one day after the September 4th counter-terrorism task force meeting.

It suggests that they definitely knew of imminent domestic threats from radical Muslim militants.

It was also highly visible with press conferences suggesting that they might have been doing some butt covering for what was about to hit us one week later on 9/11 so they wouldn't look totally surprised.

But since Condi didn't tout this raid as a sign of her effectiveness, it suggests that 9/11 was too horrendous to admit to having the urgent foreknowldge that inspired this massive raid.

This massive interagency effort IS EVIDENCE THEY KNEW and the hundreds of people involved with organizing and analyizing this raid know and can tell the 9/11 whitewash commission plenty.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Guardian Unlimited online
Monday September 10, 2001

Five hundred websites - many of them with an Arab or Muslim connection - crashed last Wednesday when an anti-terrorism taskforce raided InfoCom Corporation in Texas.

The 80-strong taskforce that descended upon the IT company included FBI agents, Secret Service agents, Diplomatic Security agents, tax inspectors, immigration officials, customs officials, department of commerce officials and computer experts.

Three days later, they were still busy inside the building, reportedly copying every hard disc they could find. InfoCom hosts websites for numerous clients in the Middle East, including al-Jazeera (the satellite TV station), al-Sharq (a daily newspaper in Qatar), and Birzeit (the Palestinian university on the West Bank). It also hosts sites for several Muslim organisations in the United States, among them the Islamic Society of North America, the Muslim Students Association, the Islamic Association for Palestine, and the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,549590,00....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[anarchy1999]

121. Correct!

LIHOP is a melding of the sloppiness and laziness of the massive government machine ("organizational inertia" -love that term), and the agenda of those in power.

We have no time for incompetence theories. All of the folks in powerful positions are very capable, reliable people.

There is no evidence to support a "coincidence theory". Major players have access to all the intel they want or need. Agendas are served when events are met with coordinated fumbling. (See: Pearl Harbor, JFK assassination, etc.)

Money drives all of these moves. Cui bono? (Who benefits?)

GET skeptical.

[calimary]

160. Hey, look, probably just another one of those adorably clever CU moles.

Don't waste your time. Besides, if this person bothers to READ some of the stuff we have posted here, he/she might actually learn something and have his/her eyes opened. I'm not betting money on it, but miracles do happen.

[bobthedrummer]

70. You know what is whack, Tom? The "magic bullet" of the Warren

Report, I knew that was loony when I read it as a kid in 1964. so did my liberal Democratic mom.

I suppose you think those 4 dead Americans that were mutilated in Iraq were innocent civilan contractors delivering kitchen equipment to needy Iraqis.

I suppose you think that it's tin-foil that at the foundation of our national security organizations Nazis were clandestinely recruited and given jobs and identities as Americans too, some of them became quite prominent like Werner von Braun and Walter Dornberger of Bell( he sold a lot of hueys during the Viet Nam war). My 82 year old father-in-law met von Braun when he was in the OSS.

Yes, it's ok to imply that I must be off my meds or something to come up with such crazy stuff. That's always a comforting thought. But imo you just can't break out of your centrist pc attack mode, Tom, and I feel sorry for you.

Sometimes I feel like the dude in The Allegory of the Cave, Tom.

Don't worry, this nut is voting for Kerry, don't let my Kucinich sig scare you, I suppose you think he's whack too.

I'm in pretty good company, Tom, I'm staying in the LIHOP camp despite ridicule.

I'm leery of grand theoricists myself, Tom, for what it's worth.
Do you deny that there is any evidence at all to support LIHOP?

[Occulus]

73. Are you saying that because

you cannot conceive of a government that would do such a thing, or because you see no evidence?

Two things: The Tuskeegee Experiment, and "Rebuilding America's Defenses."

That is all.

[Cooley Hurd]

95. Don't forget "Operation Northwoods..." n/t

[savistocate]

150. ProjNew American-Century=NatlSecStategy-currently opertive.

Putting together the Condi statement at the 9-11Commission hearing "sometimes it takes a catastrophic event to make changes in the culture" Just what changes this faction want is known..no speculation reqrd.

Condi as Natl Sec Advisor wrote -compiled US Natl Security Strategy Report released 9/02. It incorporates the PNAC doc, itself influenced by a Cheney NSStrategy Report brought to Bush Sr while he Cheney was Sec of Defense. Very broadly negatively received.

The passage --this change they desire/envision engineering an__empire with the unequalled power of the US taking a long time unless a catastrophic event should --fall from heaven? be
forged .

And there was no need to know the date & time..what? Enough it was clearly imminent (where!! 'imminent' really fits] bin Laden
wants to attack America. Do you assume this is his daydream or the scheme is being put in motion?

[RapidCreek]

82. It means no such thing.

Bush didn't need to order anyone to do anything. Quite the contrary...he needed to do exactly what he did. NOTHING.

Here is an easily digestible example for you. Let's say I would like to do a little remodeling free of charge...maybe put a little money in my buddies pockets as well. How might I achieve such a thing by LIHOP? Let's assume that my insurance agent calls me up one day and tells me to be on the look out for squirrels on my roof....He explains they have been chewing holes through roofs in my neighborhood and as such it would be wise get rid of any trees from which they might jump onto mine. I do nothing. Let's say a week later the guy next door tells me he's noticed a squirrel hard at work day after day, doing something on my roof. I thank him for the info, with a wink and a nod, but do nothing. I hear the squirrel while he's up there and it sounds like he's chewing a hole through wood. I do nothing. Shortly thereafter, I hear what sounds like a bunch of squirrels running around in my attic. I do nothing. The guy next door calls and tells me he's noticed what appears to be a gang of squirrels crawling into and out of a hole on my roof. I do nothing. Later that day I hear what sounds like squirrels chewing through drywall. I do nothing. The following day my kid tells me he can see daylight through what appears to be a hole in the living room ceiling. I do nothing. That night the football game is interrupted by a National Weather Service severe thunderstorm warning. I do nothing. Ten minutes later it starts to pour. I do nothing. Three hours later water starts to drip through the hole in my living room ceiling. I do nothing. I get up and go down to the bar to watch the rest of the game. After the game is over I go back home. On my way through the living room, I notice water pouring through a hole in the ceiling into the three inches now collected the floor. I say to myself...wow the guys who put the roof on this place were some bad roofers...then I go to bed and read my brand new copy of the Hungry Caterpillar. The next morning I get up and walk into the living room. My furniture, carpet, ceiling and walls are destroyed. I call the insurance agent up and explain my problem to him. He asks why I didn't cut the trees away from my roof like he suggested. I tell him his suggestion wasn't actionable. He says back to me that he gave me forewarning that squirrels had been chewing holes through roofs in the neighborhood. I tell him "well, that's just historical information". I end up getting new living room walls, new carpet and new furniture while enjoying the sympathy of the the folks on my street. I purchase the new furniture from my brother in law and I pay my best friend to do my dry wall. I have the guy next door do my carpeting. I suggest to all my neighbors that we get together and take care of the squirrel problem by kicking the shit out of the little old lady across the road whom I suspect might be feeding them. I've never liked her anyway. She's sort of a mean old biddy anyway. She picks on the local kids when they play in her yard and yells at me in some wierd language when I park my car in front of her house. They view such an approach sceptically and suggest it might be prudent to cut the trees down which hang over my roof before pursuing such a course of action. I tell them I don't give a shit what they think and order my kid to go kick the little old ladies ass. He does but not before her sons give him a concussion. Everyone in the neighborhood now believes my family and I are assholes. I don't particularly care however and I make it perfectly clear that old ladies, who I believe are feeding squirrels or who I believe might be thinking about feeding squirrels, better be prepared for an ass kicking. I've got to protect my interests, after all, now and in the future....and my brother in laws and my best friends and my buddy who lives next door.

[Kali]

85. hahahahahah

That was great!!!!

[mouse7]

87. DING DING DING... a winner!

That was excellent :thumbsup:

[RapidCreek]

hehehe thanks.

Had fun doing it.

RC

[Judi Lynn]

92. Very, very well done, and so satisfying, as well. We NEEDED that. n/t

[sleepyhead]

94. Great post! May I borrow it?

With attribution of course. I have a friend who *really* needs to read it!

[RapidCreek]

124. Thanks! Sure, share it around all you want!

Feel free to correct the errors I failed to notice until after the editing period expired.

RC

[cmd]

100. I'm saving your reply

Well done!

[cmd]

101. Call the Guy James Show

This is too good to keep for ourselves.

[Terran]

119. Can't you just see Jon Stewart reading that to his audience??

Send it to the Daily Show!! Great response!

[Enraged_Ape]

104. This is the coolest post I've ever read

My God, this explains the whole fiasco in language even your dumbest mullethead Freeper moran could understand.

I really, really would like to cut and paste this (with attribution) into some e-mails to some of my "less enlightened" friends, with your permission.

[leftchick]

108. Oh RC! This absolutely THE BEST POST EVER!

Thank YOU! :) :) :)
:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

[RetroLounge]

112. Bravo Bravo Bravo

Fantastic Description of the chimp...

:yourock:

RL

[bleedingheart]

113. I absolutely love this post! I love it!

You hit the nail on the head!!!

[leesa]

114. You nailed it. Thanks. I personally think the neighbor would probably

have secretly smeared peanut butter on the wood the squirrels were chewing in his attic to ensure that he got his new furniture, carpet and roof, but then I'm a conspiracy nut!

[_NorCal_D_]

120. Genius!

B-):thumbsup:

[mccormack98]

123. PUBLISH THIS

Great post. Send it to a prominent newspaper or magazine.

[Enraged_Ape]

126. By all means

This is just too good to drop off this forum. It absolutely needs a wider audience. I've reread it twice now and I like it better each time.

[savistocate]

130. That is a RapidCreek Mind

how any mental function unit can dismiss itas "loonyleft"?!?!??
A Simple Plan.

The Do Nothing ASSYMETRIC approach. Is it tactical not strategical? Condi speak.

[RapidCreek]

127. To all the nice folks who enjoyed this post...

Thanks for the kudos! Feel free to share it around all you want. I wouldn't mind in the least if you corrected the two or three errors I failed to notice until after the editing period expired. :)

I wrote this early in the morning when I couldn't sleep so it's a little rough. I'd correct it myself now but I still haven't slept....I'm thinking it's my anticipation of a visit from the Easter Bunny which has me on edge...hehehehe.

I'll clean it up a little and post a link to a copy which I will place on my server after I get a little shut eye. If you would like the edited copy please send me a personal message and I will send you the link as soon as I can.

Thanks Again,

Peace and Inner Harmony,

RC

[Tellurian]

171. Send it to "The O'Franken Factor!"...

I'm sure, he'll JOYFULLY educate the public, with your well thought out post.

[librechik]

131. bravo--that reminds me of a true story

we all witnessed

[bmbmd]

138. Thanks-your prose has been immortalized

in my favorite places.

[qanda]

146. That is fantastic!

Whoever said this should win an award, was right.

[nitetalker]

148. That's awesome, RapidCreek!

Congrats. I've sent it to some friends and family.

[WillyT]

157. That... Was... AWESOME !!! --- Bookmarked For Posterity !!!

Truly wonderful!

Thank you.

:bounce::kick::bounce:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

162. Right...On...the...Money. Well done and now stolen....eom.

[TahitiNut]

163. You can add to that (GREAT) story ...

... the idea that you heard the old lady was thinking about raising beavers that'd do more damage to all the houses on the street.

Excellent parable.

[RapidCreek]

170. heheheh evil Beavers

RC

[RapidCreek]

172. There was a lot of stuff I kinda wanted to add

I wanted to keep it a simple as I possibley could. The old lady portion was sort of the snag in the sweater, so to speak. It was my intention to demostrate LIHOP while injecting a few Georgisms and Condisms into the mix just to keep it entertaining.

RC

[Skittles]

99. LIHOP

simply means Bush Inc knew an attack was imminent and allowed it to happen, not that they necessarily knew all the exact details.

Me, I've decided either these guys are the most seriously incompetent people on earth or they LIHOP. They have NEVER explained why the second tower and Pentagon were not evacuated.

[0007]

96. That's a good one also

[w4rma]

12. I think that he is so blasted incompetent that it *looks* like he let it

happen on purpose. His misadministration is too incompetent to know how to act effectively. And when they do act they appear to lash out at everyone and anyone who they don't understand.

[aquart]

15. No, they let it happen.

That's the reason he sat in the schoolroom. His brain was saying, "Alibi, alibi, alibi. I've got to look innocent."

They just made very very very sure they were out of the way.

[mediaman007]

32. Everybody else in the World was looking at television!

Our pResident wasn't even curious.

[OKNancy]

98. or as someone else posted

he and the gang are just crazy fucking idiots.

[IndianaGreen]

164. Cynthia McKinney said LIHOP back in 2002

She was savaged by DLC pukes like Paul Begala and the "Raging Cajun" Carville.

Cynthia McKinney has been vindicated!

[Neecy]

2. hmmmm

The disclosure appears to contradict the White House's repeated assertions that the briefing the president received about the Qaeda threat was "historical" in nature and that the White House had little reason to suspect a Qaeda attack within American borders.

Kind of a long and roundabout way to say 'perjury'....

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. Well.......

"LIHOP" is looking more and more credible by the minute!

[PassingFair]

5. Is this it!

Holding breath...can't wait to hear scuttlebutt on street. LIHOP.

[kentuck]

7. How BIG is this story?

It sounds very, very important. Who would be the official?? It was "historical" in nature? What does that mean? Could someone explain that?

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

25. My guess is...

they're implying the briefing was more a history of previous attacks (like the Cole or the WTC garage bomb) than a warning about new ones.

Any well-written report, no matter how prophetic, would read like that; little thing called research and documentation.

[mouse7]

46. This is the 9/11 "Saturday Night Massacre"

This is the moment when the country is forced to realize there are active efforts running all the way to the Oval Office to prevent the truth of 9/11 from being told.

[SquireJons]

93. VERY Big

IMO...

I was thinking about Rices testimony earlier today and I was wondering if any part of it might catch her in a lie. She was very careful about what she said, and stuck mainly to slogans ("no silver bullet") and staunch adherence to a vague party line that "terrorism was very important to shrub." Most of what she said was so bland that she could never be caught in a lie.

But then she got defensive, and that was the part I was thinking about. When asked the name of the briefing, she hesitated, then was asked again for the name, which she straight faced said was "Bin Laden Determaned to Attack inside the U.S." But then she rushed to undermine the seriousness of the briefing by saying that it contained only historical data. That part made me think "hmmmmmm."

Why would a presidential briefing contain only historical data? (maybe because the guy getting the briefing is so stupid that... oh never mind)

With the release of this story (which seemed timed to me), Ms. Rice, our National Security Adviser seems to be caught in a BIG FAT LIE - on TV - in front of a national audience - and under oath.

Even better, this directly implicates bush, because he was told of a substantial amount of what occurred on 9/11 over a month before it actually happened - And He Did Nothing!

It also underscores and highlights all of the lies and spin that came out of the administration immediately after the attack (i.e. "who could have ever guessed that terrorists would hijack a plane and fly it into buildings" - apparently lots of people were worried about that very possibility, according to this article.)

This is HUGE!

Die you disgusting nest of soulless motherf#c&ers... I want to watch you burn.

[calimary]

165. SO big it's well worth rattling cages about - FIRST THING MONDAY MORNING:

Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts - not one but TWO of 'em - in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1380003

PLEASE guys - PLEASE make a stink about this! If EVER there were a time to infuse more calcium into the spines of our Dems, THIS IS IT.

[BeFree]

8. It is evident

This was not a failure of intelligence, quite the contrary, the intelligence was good, it was the dumb-asses in the Whitehouse that were a miserable failure.

[MO_Dem]

50. Yes!

It was the failure of intelligence of the occupant of the Oval Office.

[seemslikeadream]

9. LIHOP

LIHOP

[worldgonekrazy]

151. It gets more and more obvious every day, doesn't it?

OK, so far we know that:

1. The Bush Administration was not putting enough energy and focus into combating Al Qaeda (Clarke)

2. The Administration received a number of warnings about 9/11 before it happened (Augst 6th PDB, NY Times article, other articles on intel from foreign governments)

3. Despite receiving this information, none of it was passed along to relevant agencies like the FAA and the border patrol watch. (9/11 Commission)

4. The Administration is STILL holding something back (any testimony by Bush Admin. official in front of 9/11 Commission)

So we know they had info, didn't act on it, and are still in fact hiding something. What could that be? We are already at the point of pretty severe negligence, so it logically follows that what they are hiding must be worse. I contend that they PURPOSEFULLY stopped information from getting to the right people who could have acted on it to stop the attacks. But they weren't very smart. They left quite a trail and it is all coming out now. No stopping it.

[buff2]

11. No wonder Chimpy didn't want this to come out.......

for the Sunday talk show pundits to chew on!

[aquart]

19. Easter Sunday. So, not as bad as it could be.

Yet.

[buff2]

22. If this doesn't take him down

then NOTHING will. OMG.....this is horrible.

[FlemingsGhost]

13. Treason.

Wake up, America.

[Catherine Vincent]

14. It should read: BUSH WAS WARNED BUT HE WENT ON VACATION INSTEAD!

[buff2]

20. Why is it that the dems won't even mention

the fact that Chimpy was on a month long vacation at the pig farm when he was warned about a possible attack? Why is everyone giving that moron a free pass.....AGAIN??? :grr: :grr: :nuke:

[Jack from Charlotte]

117. Not only was he on vacation but after reading this memo he....

went fishing, according to a report I read that listed his August '01 activities at the pig farm.

Actually, I think someone should be asked ...UNDER OATH... if anyone knows for certain if the little AWOL/moron even read that mornings PDB.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

Bush was warned and he needed to establish an alibi.

[Barkley]

142. YES!

Good point!

[worldgonekrazy]

152. I think they are working on bringing in this bit of info as we speak

See the story in LBN right now about the fact that Bush's weekend vacation is drawing some criticism because it is such a crucial period of time right now. People will say to themselves "yeah, gee, this guy should be at the Oval Office." Then soon it will come out that he was on vacationg FOR A WHOLE MONTH(!) before 9/11. Combine this with the fact that there was plenty of credible intel on an impending terrorist attack IN THE UNITED STATES and a collective "what the fuck?" is going to escape from the general public.

[dolo amber]

16. I just hope

that their saying "We need our own *Pearl Harbor*" (quotes mine) FINALLY comes back to bite them in their asses...as it should've 2+ years ago...:nuke:

[Occulus]

77. Actually, what they said was

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Pearl Harbor."

-- Rebuilding America's Defenses, page 51

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

[dolo amber]

116. Yep...that's the one

I was being bad and lazy last night...looked for the quote but couldn't find it right off. Thanks, kgfnally. :)

[Occulus]

133. That number is full of other interesting statements as well.

Like the ones about ethnically-targeted biological agents. That was a real humdinger.

[hippiechick]

17. Bush received that memo and STILL didn't end his vacation !!

OMFG ~ spin THAT !!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:


on edit: sorry CatGirl, I didn't catch your post before I threw mine on here

:hippie:

[Catherine Vincent]

31. Hey, that's cool!

It's the truth. And to think he wasn't even in office a full year and this bum goes on a month long vacation! Lazy bastard!

[mediaman007]

38. He hit the "trifecta!"

[amandabeech]

49. What does "briefing" mean when we're talking about Shrub?

I recall reading, perhaps in one of Molly Ivins's columns, that when Shrub was governor, his aids would give him a memo, maybe 15-30 pages. Shrub would brush it aside and ask for a 10-15 min. oral summary. He apparently didn't like anything longer, and there's no indication that he went on to read the memos.

If someone just handed the PDB to him, then I don't think that we can say that Bush read it, any of it, with any certainty.

If someone "briefed" him by giving him a 10-15 minute oral summary, then only the briefer and the President know what information went into the summary.

If someone "briefed" him by reading him the PDB word for word, then it would be uncertain as to what parts Shrub actually heard, especially if the oral presentation last more than 10-15 mins.

So, how was the briefing done and who did it? Was there a quiz afterwords?

I think the question is really what did the various people around Shrub push him to do?

[NMDemDist2]

55. to quote Al Franken

"What did the pResident know? And, if not, why didn't he know it? If, as may be the case, the pResident did not understand his intelligence briefings, why didn't he ask to have them explained to him. And did he know that he didn't understand them?"

[amandabeech]

65. Yes, after all,

he can't answer questions without Uncle Dick whispering in his ear, either in person or through that earpiece.

Wasn't there a Kevin Kline movie about some former prep school student who staged a quiz-bowl-type rematch and won using an earpiece? At least the student came up with the earpiece idea, and I doubt that Shrub did.

[ozymandius]

18. The August 6 briefing is obviously a disgruntled briefing.

Isn't this how the attack against it will ensue?

EDIT: There is no defense against this evidence! None.

Rice: "We had no idea..."

[osaMABUSh]

21. The Sunday talk shows are going to be fired up with 9/11 & Iraq

Let's hope this is the beginning of the end where his poll numbers shrink to the point of no return.

[buff2]

24. Yeah,but there's always diebold

:scared:

[fishnfla]

23. That look on shrubs face when Andy Card whispered in his ear that day

It has bothered me, that photo from the classroom. It was a look of realization, he knew he was told, he knew he screwed up. He sat there for 20 minutes reading that goat book, knowing he fucked up, hoping for a way out.

[Catherine Vincent]

27. Funny you should mention the look on bush's face...

A c-span caller today said that bush's look was a look of coolness and courage. He went on and on about how he handled that situation with honor.

I nearly barfed!

[JohnyCanuck]

39. I'd say Shrub's coolness was definitely missing here.

How to spot a liar from Take Back the Media - www.takebackthemedia.com

[NMDemDist2]

54. great spot there Johny EOM

[drscm]

34. His first thought was how was he going to protect his hide,

physically and politically.

[mountainvue]

83. I will never forget the look on

his face either. Never.

[Octafish]

26. Bush knew. And he went on vacation.

About time this started getting covered by Corporate McPravda.
Gee. There may be hope yet we'll see these BFEE gangsters
get their just "rewards."

[nolabels]

102. Major parts of this goodly Corporate McPravda carries water for *

They are now seen as doubling back to save their own worthless war mongering asses. Some of us were not fooled, even more are not now, they are seeing some of these egregious falsehoods for the first time.

Hard to imagine what it would be like waking up to fact that major parts of your life have been lived on the pretense of a lie.

"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. (Mahatma Ghandi)"

"Every snowflake in an avalanche denies responsibility. -Voltaire"

http://www.miniluv.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=471

[drscm]

29. The timing of this story (Easter eve) reminds me of the

famous pardons Bush Daddy made on Christmas eve.

[seemslikeadream]

30. Washingtonpost

spokesman Ari Fleischer told reporters on May 17, 2002, that the briefing was titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the United States," while Rice testified Thursday that it was "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." Numerous sources said in 2002 and this week that the correct title is "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."

Former FBI acting director Thomas J. Pickard, who will also testify, has told the commission in private that Ashcroft had little interest in terrorism in the summer of 2001, numerous sources have said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A387-2004Apr9_2.html

[amandabeech]

35. Yup, Had to go after those prostitutes in New Orleans. n/t

[July]

109. Phew! We're safe from hookers and potheads! n/t

[orthogonal]

40. Aren't calico cats terrorists?

Former FBI acting director Thomas J. Pickard, who will also testify, has told the commission in private that Ashcroft had little interest in terrorism in the summer of 2001, numerous sources have said.

I think we all know in our hearts that Ashcroft was right. The real threat is the pornographers.

And people who dance, of course.

[seemslikeadream]

61. and this guy

[mouse7]

33. It proves "stop swatting flies" equals LIHOP

The Bush Administration has been calling it a policy to "stop swatting flies." We've been calling it LIHOP. This proves that it's the very same thing.

Bush wanted a big event to kick off the Bush "Invade the World Tour 2001." 9/11 was it.

I plan on watching every single moment of the Bush Administration trials for the 3000 homicides at the WTC and Pentagon.

[Reciprocity]

36. What a shock. they would not connect the dots.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

47. Does anyone remember...

they story that agents (FBI? CIA?) were told to back off investigating the Saudis when Bush got into office? Clinton had sicced one of those agencies on them (must've been CIA come to think of it) and Bush put a halt to it.

Damn, I don't have the link anymore...

Anyone? Anyone??? Beuller??....

[kath]

140. HHNF, this was covered in some of the stories about John O'Neill, who was

absolutely disgusted that they were told to back off on investigating Saudis. You may be able to find more about it by reading about the PBS special (Frontline) about O'Neill, called "The Man Who Knew". PBS has a website about it, and interestingly enough, Richard Clarke (who was friends with O'Neill), has a *very* interesting interview on that site.

Home page about the Frontline show, includes lots of links:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/


The Richard Clarke interview:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/interviews/clarke.html

[0007]

43. Holy Smoke!

Call up daddy and let daddy pull some strings like in junior's cocaine arrest record, his abortion of Robin Lowman. Where James R. Bath?
Maybe junior can be put on Community Service again in the P.U.L.L. organization? Well, we'll just have to get junior back in school. His presidency will be cut short due to an early out. Needs more schooling, 'eh?

Does anyone see a pattern here?
The Spider and the Fly

"Will you come into my parlor said the spider to the fly?"

[scottxyz]

44. Impeach the traitor

n/t

[diamond14]

45. bush*'s ship is sinking....his minions are pointing fingers of blame

at each other....some of bush*'s top guys have turned against him (and written books too!)....condi will be sorry she stood by her man...because they will both go down together...

with the White House also under the additional pressure of major prosecution for the Pflame outing (and that pointing of fingers at each other), and the pressure of the HUGE INFERNO in Iraq....the White House must be a real hell-hole to work in...

with nixon, there were people lined up to plea-bargain their way out of prison, even before they were charged with anything....

[freeforall]

48. LIHOP, LIHOP, LIHOP!

I have been saying this since I saw the first tower on fire.

How can anyone believe otherwise? There is no end to the self-serving arrogance of this PNAC bunch.

I hope Americans finally wake up.

[mouse7]

52. I've been saying it since 9/12

Bluntly, I was in shock the day of 9/11.

[mouse7]

53. self delete

double post

[jbutsz]

51. NY Times

If this is on the front page of the NYTimes, the 'Powers That Be' (the real powers) are shifting their weight to the other side of the stage. Bush won't be in office Feb 2005, at least. They've taken their profits, time to reinflate everything again. Same ole, same ole. We'll have another BS war and stock market 'crash' in 2013 or so.

[Peachhead22]

56. "That's one bad pilot"

Bush got that specific a briefing in August yet in September when a plane flew into the WTC the first thing Bush thought (by his own account) was "Boy, that's one bad pilot"!?

C'mon, that makes the delay in scrambling the fighters after the first plane hit even worse...even more suspicious.

I hope some talking heads explore that angle again, too.

[Sleepless In NY]

63. NY Daily News Front Cover: Rice: How Could She Not Know?

"SHAME"

Relatives of the Sept. 11 victims ripped into Condoleezza Rice yesterday after she insisted the Bush administration had no clue the U.S. would be attacked. Relatives of the Sept. 11 victims ripped into Condoleezza Rice yesterday after she insisted the Bush administration had no clue the U.S. would be attacked.
"Shame," Terry McGovern, a New Yorker whose mother was killed, yelled at the national security adviser during Rice's testimony before the 9/11 commission.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/182022p-157987c.html

also: "Condi reveals a hijack hint"

Victims' families sat stunned when Rice revealed in testimony before the 9/11 commission that an Aug. 6, 2001, CIA briefing for Bush spelled out the previously undisclosed assessment of Osama Bin Laden's desire to hit the homeland.

The disclosure was doubly dramatic because it appears to conflict with Bush's repeated insistence that he would have done everything in his power to thwart the New York and Pentagon terror strikes had he but known about them http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/181956p-157981c.html

also: "What exactly was Condi Rice's job?"
The document's title, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside United States," does sound as though it might grab somebody's attention and spark urgent action. National security adviser Condoleezza Rice, though, spent much of her three hours before the 9/11 commission asserting that this secret memo, presented to President Bush more than a month before the assaults upon New York and Washington, was not "specific threat reporting,"
Several of Rice's interrogators appeared to think otherwise, and they have seen this memo of Aug. 6, 2001, and other documents compiled that summer http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/181819p-157846c.html

[JPZenger]

57. CNN Report on Leaked Presidential Briefing

Someone became furious that the White House was lying about the contents of this Presidential Briefing and leaked the substance of its contents to CNN. The White House was claiming earlier today that it was mainly a "historical" list of things that happened in the 1990s, not forward-looking - which is a lie.

Here is a great article. It is worth reading all the way through:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/09/bush.memo.ap/index.html

"It suggested al-Qaeda might have a support system in place on U.S. soil, the sources said.

The document also included FBI analytical judgments that some al-Qaeda activities were consistent with preparation for airline hijackings or other types of attacks...

told the president that there were numerous -- at least 70 -- terror-related investigations under way by the FBI in 2001 involving matters or people on U.S. soil, the sources said.

And the final bullet told the president of a recent intelligence report indicating al-Qaeda operatives were trying to get inside the United States to carry out an attack with explosives, the sources said. There was no specifics about the timing or target, the sources said.

The sources said the briefing memo did not provide the exact date of that intelligence but made clear it was in the 2001 time frame, and that FBI and other agencies were investigating it...

They said final bullet in the presidential memo was based on an intelligence report received in May 2001 that indicated bin Laden operatives were trying to cross from Canada into the United States for an attack."

[Fovea]

58. I remember when the story about CREEP's

secret dirty tricks fund came from Woodward and Bernstein. It felt a lot like this story.

[Merlin]

59. Saturday Headlines amount to burying the story.

The NYT rule is to tell all the truth. Once.

[mouse7]

62. Nooooo... I don't think we're letting them bury this one n/t

[goforit]

60. Hmmm.......How much longer is the MEDIA gonna play his tune?????

We can start calling the media accomplices to 911.

[mouse7]

68. Yeah... I can't imagine what's in the minds of those suck-ups.

What does a person's soul have to be like to know you are trying to helping someone who, at the very least, created the opportunity for 9/11 to happen, try and get away with it?

[slinkerwink]

64. I love that headline.....hope it awakens a few minds!

[orthogonal]

66. "I was not asleep at my post"

President Bush needs to talk to the Nation about this. As a public service, I have composed what I think is a fitting speech; some of you may find in has a familiar ring to it:

This is the 37th time I have spoken to you from this office, where so many decisions have been made that shaped the history of this Nation. Each time I have done so to discuss with you some matter than I believe affected the national interest.

In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the Nation. Throughout the long and difficult period of the War on Terr'ists, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which you elected me.

. . . .

I would have preferred to carry through to the finish whatever the personal agony it would have involved, and my dynasty unanimously urged me to do so. But -- for once -- the interest of the Nation must come before Jeb's ambitions or any personal considerations.

From the discussions I have had with Congressional and other leaders, I have concluded that because of the Presidential Daily Briefing matter I might not have the support of the Congress that I would consider necessary to back the very difficult decisions and carry out the duties of this office in the way the interests of the Nation would require.

I have never been a quitter. Except with the booze thing. And the Air Force Reserve thing. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. It's like choking on a pretzel. But as President, I must put the interest of America first. America needs a full-time President and a full-time Congress, particularly at this time with problems we face at home and abroad.

To continue to fight through the months ahead for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Congress in a period when our entire focus should be on the great issues of war abroad and deflation without prosperity at home.

Therefore, I shall resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow. Speaker Hastert will be sworn in as President at that hour in this office.

[gauguin57]

69. to the LIHOP skeptics ...

From the "Nightline" program that first introduced a lot of us to the Project for the New American Century (PNAC):

"... The group, the Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, was founded in 1997. Among its supporters were three Republican former officials who were sitting out the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz.
In open letters to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders the next year, the group called for "the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power" and a shift toward a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam.

And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor." (boldface mine)

That event came on Sept. 11, 2001. By that time, Cheney was vice president, Rumsfeld was secretary of defense, and Wolfowitz his deputy at the Pentagon.

The next morning - before it was even clear who was behind the attacks - Rumsfeld insisted at a Cabinet meeting that Saddam's Iraq should be "a principal target of the first round of terrorism," according to Bob Woodward's book Bush At War.

What started as a theory in 1997 was now on its way to becoming official U.S. foreign policy. ..."

LIHOP don't sound so crazy now, do it?

[truthisfreedom]

71. man, that's like the bumperstickers that say 'BUSH KNEW"

the rethugs must be squirming in their tightie whities.

[drscm]

72. If you can tolerate it, here is the FREEPER response:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1114910/posts?page=39#12

Some living in the red states want to secede. Some living in the blue states want to commit suicide.

Others are saying, "There is nothing new here. Move along."

And, of course, there is that one great catchall: "It's all Clinton's fault."

[Old and In the Way]

89. Thanks for the link. I was curious as to what the spin is.

Whoa, these people are the true beleivers....as usual, not a lot of facts to dispute, but mighty long on blind support.

This one caught my eye:

To: Sir Gawain
I warned President Bush, before he was even sworn in, that the dirty, rotten, lying, no good, sorry, back stabbing, SOB'n, f'n, batard, demonrats would be coming after him!

110 posted on 04/09/2004 10:43:37 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (He is risen, just like He said!)

Gotta a big chuckle on that one......I loved the reference to Christ on his sig line. Just too ironic.

Or maybe this is clarenceswinney undercover?

[ochazuke]

169. iiiiiiieeeeeeewwwwww

I just got back from following your link. Those people are stark-raving mad. They've completely lost it. Bush could turn out to be an Al Qaeda operative and the freepers would blame Clinton for it. And the media.

[revcarol]

74. "Someone" ought to write the NYT and thank them for

FINALLY GETTING A CLUE.

[Dover]

75. Good timing. First let Condi perjure herself, then release the truth.

Maybe they'll do the same with Bush/Cheney testimony. The only thing that doesn't make sense is that SURELY they knew this information would see the light of day, so why would they risk perjury?

[Occulus]

78. Why would they risk perjury?

Here's a rather chilling reason for you: they think they cannot be touched by the perjury charge, even if it is accurate.

I predict Bush will not leave if he is voted out. I predict he will use his authority as President under some concocted guise or other to invalidate the election results.

[mouse7]

80. A simple solution to that... national strike.

If Dumbya refuses to leave the Oval Office on Kerry'as Inauguration Day, all non-essential workers stay home and refuse to go back to work until he's gone.

If Bush refuses to leave, we won't riot. We'll stay home from work and sink the economy.

Once Dumbya leaves the protection of continuation of the constitutional process, he'll be easy to bring down. We will simply refuse to participate in the economy until he's gone.

[kath]

141. There should have been a general strike when the Felonious Five decision

to install him in office came down.

[Skip Intro]

86. I believe he would be run out or carried out

if not by whatever proper law enforcement agency, or the Congress, then by the People of the United States

[lightbulb]

156. Agreed - Bush would quickly be shown the door

His cabal has pissed off some very powerful people over the past few years, many of whom would not hesitate to help escort him from the building.

[gate of the sun]

79. you made me laugh!

that's right condi perjured herself.I wonder when they will let the citizens realize that? That's right because mostly they have to be told what's going on.

[sam sarrha]

84. so will he start drinkin again...? i would...

[paulthompson]

88. Nothing new about this - already in my 9/11 timeline

I'm glad to see this story, but this is such old news! Contrary to what the report claims, the previous 9/11 commission, the congressional commission, already reported this. It's in my timeline already. For instance, look at this entry:

May 2001 (B)
US intelligence obtains information that al-Qaeda is planning to infiltrate the US from Canada and carry out a terrorist operation using high explosives. The report doesn't say exactly where inside the US, or when, or how an attack might occur. Two months later, the information is shared with the FBI, the INS, US Customs Service, and the State Department, and told to Bush in August (see August 6, 2001). (Senate Intelligence Committee 9/18/02; Washington Post 9/19/02)

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&timeperiod=2001%20-%200:05am%2011%20Sept%202001&startpos=0

I think the fact that this is being reported as new news is an interesting case of information management. Now that the 9/11 Commission has said they are unanimous in wanting to release the August 6, 2001 PDB, the White House really has no choice but to release it. So they're softening the blow, by spreading out the release of the most damaging information to the general public instead of having it all hit in one day.

There are so many facts like this that have been reported in the mainstream media, but haven't really reached the general public. People who are so adamantly against LIHOP on these forums are the same people who remain ignorant of these facts.

[Occulus]

115. I think I've said it before, Paul,

but that timeline is one professional piece of work. GREAT JOB!!!

[worldgonekrazy]

153. Its all about timing

This coming forth again right now with the Commission in full swing is HUGE. When it came out before people weren't ready to think about it in the broader context of things, but now they will be forced to.

[buycitgo]

90. that fatprick hypocrite Sanger pisses me OFF!

anybody see him hawping it up with the guy from Time, Ifill, some woman from USA today, and the bearded guy from US News on WWinReview?

they were having the BEST old time, discussing how Condi outpaced those mean old commissioners the other day.

the Time guy went on and on and ON about interviewing her; how impressive she was, how tough to suss; what a great filibusterer she was

they were FAWNING over her, instead of expressing outrage at her stonewalling

great insight into the toesuckers they all are at that "level;"
that being the lowest there is, except for the WH toadies

[frank frankly]

103. i thikn Washington Week is the worst show ever

Ifill is drugged out or just a flake.

I rememebr this summer when one of her lousy panelists asked re: BushCo, "What happened to the WMD?"

The bearded IDIOT from latimes said, "Boy, you have a long memory!"

AND THEY ALL LAUGHED.

THEY ALL LAUGHED.

i've never watched that garbage since.

[lumpy]

110. There is no doubt about it,

Rice is a 'fast talker', you know, the kind that uses oral seduction to charm people into accepting their spiel as being genuine. Some people become wall-eyed over these types and are taken in with their deception. You can see it in kids who can talk their way out of having failed to take out the garbage. Deflect, convolute, reroute around the core of the problem.

[savistocate]

137. Better covrg even from Hardball Mathews---

Olberman & another usually going straight into prop up the WH blather.

But this WWinR __PBS__just makes me sick --I'm firing off an email in their direction now.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

166. I think you misread that discussion

It seemed more to me that they had Condi and her spin sussed out...I didnt see much support for Rice on that panel.

[carolinayellowdog]

97. Best first line of a cover story since they stole the election

Watched a week of recorded Daily Shows last night and wake up to this. Stewart was awesome Thursday night. We've waited almost three years for honest reporting about 9/11, and now it starts. Cover stories about Bush scandals will be dominate headlines the rest of 2004, at least until the headline Kerry wins in record-breaking landslide.

[JawJaw]

105. Hey Karl!

Somehow, the Republican convention in NYC doesn't seem such a masterstroke anymore, does it?

[yelladawg]

106. He wanted to be a war president.

I hope more and more come out about this bastard. He would have done anything to be a war president.

[kath]

143. Heheheh, with all this shit flying about Sept. 11, I really hope that the

Pugs are REALLY gonna regret planning the convention for NYC.

fuckers.

[htuttle]

144. They are already starting to regret it...

NYT: Second-Guessing of Bush Now Extends to Convention Site
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=477308&mesg_id=477308

"The premise for coming to New York is no longer valid," said Roger Stone, a longtime Republican political strategist who supports President Bush but is also known as a maverick who at times has opposed Republican candidates. "Karl Rove's master stroke idea may turn out to be an unmitigated disaster. It has the potential to highlight an issue that may be a negative by the time he gets to the convention."

[kath]

145. thanks htuttle, I just found that thread and was going to post it here.

"Karl Rove's master stroke idea may turn out to be an unmitigated disaster. It has the potential to highlight an issue that may be a negative by the time he gets to the convention."


Just had to see that line again.


Heheheheheh.

[Name removed]

107. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[WinningDoubt]

111. Looks like the NYT is back on our side

Will they stay there until Kerry is elected? We can only hope so.

[Bridget Burke]

134. As much as I want Bush defeated.....

When I read news like this, my first thought is--"Let's hope the truth finally is finally beginning to come out."

I don't know that wanting a true, full investigation of 9/11 is strictly a Democratic concern. Too bad that so many Republicans want a cover up.

[Ravy]

122. We need more headlines like this.

LIHOP

[bvar22]

125. bush* took IMMEDIATE ACTION on these warnings!

He stayed the fu*k out of Washington DC (a high priority target) until AFTER 9-11. (He returned briefly in Sept before running to Fla.)

Asscroft was warned to stay the f**k off of commercial airlines.

Asscroft (breasts are evil) has to testify before the 9-11 commission this week. I hope someone has the cajones to ask about his July fear of flying on commercial airlines.

[Yavin4]

129. I Believe in LIHOP

There are three points that you need to understand when analyzing the Bush admin: (1)Their Agenda (2)The Objective Truth and (3)The Political Spin that hides the Objective Truth in order to make their agenda go forward. We've seen this on issue after issue after issue. There's the agenda that they want, but there's that nasty objective truth that always gets in their way. So, they have to spin public opinion away from the truth and towards their agenda.

Take taxes as an example. Their agenda is to rid the tax burden on the wealthy, the elimination of the estate tax, the elimination of the tax on dividends, etc. However, they cannot win public approval of these measures in an honest debate. So, they used a slowing economy as the reason. They titled their last tax cut as a Jobs Creation Act.

Now, it's been confirmed by two high level White House insiders, Paul O'Neil and Richard Clarke, that this WH wanted to take out Saddam from day one. However, given the closeness of the election and the makeup of the congress, which was further complicated by Jim Jeffords' switching political parties, the Bush admin had no clear cut argument and no clear cut means to take America into war with Iraq. They needed something to spin the public towards their agenda, and they got it with 9/11.

Remember, immediately following 9/11, they wanted to attack Iraq, even though there was no proof that Iraq was involved. Even when we knew who was involved, they still wanted to attack Iraq.

[number6]

132. LIHOP ! LIHOP ! LIHOP !

"Bush Was Warned" "Bush Was Warned" "Bush Was Warned""


LIHOP ! LIHOP ! LIHOP ! :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:


LIHOP

[Gothic Sponge]

154. This is a front page story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where does CNN stick it on their site.... In their 'Inside Politics' section!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[qanda]

159. kick

:kick:

[Beetwasher]

161. CONDI RICE IS GUILTY OF PERJURY

Repeat ad nauseum. There can not be a shred of doubt that she perjured herself anymore.

[calimary]

167. Those ABSOLUTELY SPLENDIFEROUS Media Contact Numbers again:

HERE:

Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts - not one but TWO of 'em - in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1380003

[Character Assassin]

174. Really? Please show exactly where she perjured herself.

Please be most precise.

[dArKeR]

168. Bush Warned of Possible Al Qaeda Attacks Before 9/11 - WP

By Dana Milbank and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, April 10, 2004; 8:20 PM

CRAWFORD, Tex., April 10 -- President Bush was warned a month before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks that the FBI had information that terrorists might be preparing for a hijacking in the United States and photographing federal buildings in New York.

The information was included in a written Aug. 6, 2001, briefing to Bush that was declassified Saturday night by the White House in response to a request from the independent commission probing the Sept. 11 attacks.


The short document, titled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S.," also included information that the FBI had "70 full field investigations" underway in the United States that were believed related to Osama bin Laden, and that a caller to the U.S. Embassy in the United Arab Emirates in May 2001 said a group of bin Laden supporters were in the United States planning attacks with explosives.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2368-2004Apr10.html