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SharksBreath Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 12:44 PM
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Police: Killer invoked Old Testament in ‘stoning’ death
Source: Philadelphia Daily News.

Police: Killer invoked Old Testament in ‘stoning’ death

By Mari A. Schaefer
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
A Delaware County man has been arrested and charged with murder in the beating death of an elderly Landsdowne man who had befriended him and made him executor and sole beneficiary of his will.

John Joe Thomas, 28, of the first block of Sunshine Rd. in Upper Darby, allegedly told police he killed Murray Joseph Seidman, 70, because the older man had made sexual advances and that the Old Testament spelled out stoning as the punishment for homosexuality.

"I stoned Murray with a rock in a sock," Thomas said to police, according to court documents.



Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20110318_Police__Killer_invoked_Old_Testament_in_stoning_death.html



Maybe Peter King may want to add this to his hearings.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 12:57 PM
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1. K&R-
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 01:20 PM
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2. Be sure and read the article. The murderer was sole beneficiary of the victims will.
And the executor or the will. There's more to this than meets the eye, I'm thinking.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 01:49 PM
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4. What meets the eye is raw enough.
Even citing religious text is telling.
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forty6 Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 01:46 PM
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3. What a sorry state of affairs when people take that book literally!
It can only lead to trouble.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:06 PM
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7. But how could the stories of an isolated people of 2,000 years ago
be anything other than the truth?!



:sarcasm:
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mybuddy Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:18 PM
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10. Old testament?
I didn't even know anybody read the old testament anymore. There's a new testament out now.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:49 PM
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12. Yeah, and it's just as ridiculous and far-fetched as the old one.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:02 PM
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13. Lots of people read the Old Testament
It's got all the best smitings in it. Remember, our buddy Fred's whole theology is straight out of the OT--Leviticus 18 is NOT a very nice book. (The thing about Leviticus, though, is it's got a lot more about setting animals on fire than it does on what to keep your dick out of.)
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 01:53 PM
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5. too bad...
he didn't read far enough in the Bible to the part that says "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 01:56 PM
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queerart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:11 PM
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8. Christian Terrorist........


.... and this video shows just exactly how they think......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miULdI-qocg


Funny thing is..... if this was a story about a cull of Bison in Yellowstone, or a cull of wild horses in the Southwest.... the voices of outrage would be deafening....... But I guess one can't throw a dinner party, and have a fund raiser..... nor listen to heart wrenching speeches on how to save old Queers from being pummeled to death with stones by Christian Terrorists........


So instead of voices being heard at the mountain tops concerning such a blatant human violation.....


There are the melodic sounds of crickets..... and the Christian Terrorists are quite aware of that fact, while having a satisfying chortle.....



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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:20 PM
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11. How do you know he is a Christian? n/t
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queerart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 11:17 PM
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14. How Do You Know He's Not?
He sure the fuck didn't say Satan made him do it.....


Cuts both ways, huh?


... and since he spouted off about the Bible being the reason he killed him.... and even though my post twists your knickers... you, your neighbors dog, and I know why he did it... He Said So......


So save the theater for someone else, as I didn't buy any tickets for your performance today.......


Never mind that someone was killed, and the Bible was invoked as the reason.... your point is not to say... wow, too bad someone died... you are too worried that someone was a meanie about Christian Terrorists....






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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 10:16 AM
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17. You made the assertion, not me,..
...an assertion for which you had no proof. And in neither post did you mention the possibility that he could be an Orthodox Jewish fanatic (Old Testament, right?). Prejudice seems to have cut a deep rut in your thinking.

Moreover, there is no Christian (or Jewish) society that sanctions violence against homosexuals for being homosexual. Those societies are by far the ones where LGBT folks have the greatest opportunity for an open, unpersecuted existence. The perp of the crime will be punished for it as he should be. However, in Gaza (for example), he would be publicly congratulated. Che executed gays for "crimes against socialist morality." And Iran...., well you get the drift.

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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 10:34 AM
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18. Yes, because orthodox Jews beat up and kill queers all the fucking time,
get laws passed saying we can't get married, get laws passed saying they won't honor our marriages from states where we CAN get married (a blatantly unConstitutional act, BTW), fight anti-bullying measures because they want their kids to be able to bully us with impunity....

Please. Spare us. We're just not as motherfucking dumb as you think we are, and we. Have. HAD IT.

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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 04:17 PM
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19. Hmmm....
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/nov/11/world/fg-gaypride11

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Gay-Pride-March-in-Jerusalem-Angers-Orthodox-Jews-99576879.html

Nothing like what Hamas does, but not too tolerant either. Israel as a whole is actually quite gay-tolerant (even gay-friendly in some quarters), as just a few minutes of googling will demonstrate. It is the only place in the Middle East where you can be openly gay without constant fear of attack and murder. And to equate opposition to gay marriage to a state-sanctioned death penalty for homosexuals is quite a stretch. There is a real difference between societies and cultures, and despite prejudice, it is quite obvious to all but the most poisoned and obdurate that modern Judaeo-Christian societies are the most accepting of gays both now across the planet or at any point in history. Thus in a modern Judaeo-Christian society when a gay man is murdered and the murderer cites a biblical justification, the > 95% reaction is one of disgust, revulsion, and the desire for justice for the victim. No so true in almost all other societies, particularly those which mandate such punishment in their laws (Iran, Saudi Arabia,...).
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:10 PM
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9. More religious sickness.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 04:33 AM
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15. Methinks he's chosen his own method of execution.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 05:38 AM
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16. sole executor and beneficiary of the victim's will
hideous as this, my bet is that has a lot more to do with it than anything else.
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