'Troops loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi pull on to Benghazi,

[JanDutchy]

Source: ÁNP


BENGHAZI-Troops loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi pull on to Benghazi, despite a ceasefire that the regime has proclaimed. At 50 kilometers from the eastern city, one of the last in the possession of the rebels have fighting, place. Reported Friday night that the Arab news channel Al Jazeera.
The international community has in a UN resolution demanding that Gaddafi the weapons and withdraws its troops. U.s. president Barack Obama warned the Libyan leader Friday night that he comply with that requirement must be met, otherwise the United States and its allies for military action.


The insurgents left earlier in the day already know that Kadhafi's troops continue the fight, including around the cities of Misurata and Ajdabiyah. A spokesman for the regime, however, claimed Friday that there have been no military operations. He invited international observers to monitor compliance with the unilateral file

Read more: http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/5444/Buitenland/article/detail/1862105/2011/03/18/Troepen-Kadhafi-trekken-op-naar-Benghazi.dhtml

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It is clear what the answer is on Obama's and Clinton's calling, not only 'saying' , but also 'doing'`.

In my opinion Ghadaffi's minister saying he and Libya's government respects Human Rights, hasn't any power.

[Teaser]

1. no fly zone has come too late.

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[ReturnoftheDjedi]

3. it's much more than a no fly zone. it's all measures necessary to protect the Rebels.

[Teaser]

4. But they've lost almost every city they held

except Benghazi.

The rebels made a tactical decision: blitzkrieg and hope defecting military put them over the top when they got to Tripoli. This was a decent plan, but it didn't work, and when the military rallied, the rebels were already way overextended.

[joshcryer]

5. Not only that, as I have to remind people, Gaddafi bombed 3 munitions depots...

...the rebels were underarmed and underprepared to really move the way they did. Most of the defections happened because the rebels were largely unarmed. You're an army guy and you see people marching, maybe 1 in 10 has a gun. What do you do? You can't really fire on them can you? That's what happened all across Libya.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

6. new weapons are coming in from Egypt

[Teaser]

11. well good luck to them

I hope they're not doomed.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

7. they still have the second largest city in the West, Misrata

[Duende azul]

15. They made the decision to go for the kill and declined to negotiate when Chavez made the offer

to broker a deal.

Had they agreed, who knows where we would be now?
How many lives saved?

The external vultures where waiting on the sidelines.

What do you think how this will end? There will be no reconciliation. The west will push for victory of the rebels or at least for a broken up country.
Imagine the rebels win. Will the west stop the massacres that are about to come?
A good indication may be how the rebels assaulted immigrants from subsaharan Africa. At that point it was clear, those rebels weren't as peaceful as they were painted by western media.

Why did the majority of the soldiers not defect? Despite the high odds to go down with Gadaffi when the rebels first succeeded?

What was the difference to Egypt's army? The Egyptian military leadership couldn't risk to send the soldiers against the people.
In Libya it's different. Society is split along tribal lines.

Good opportunity for outside forces to stir up the flames and end up with a broken country open for looting.

[joshcryer]

23. Given Gaddafi's actions do we really believe he was actually willing to "negotiate"?

Please.

[Duende azul]

24. I really don't know. But it was never tried.

What we know is, that the rebels certain of their victory refused negotiations.
And the US also came out against the idea.

I appreciate you efforts on the matter. I respect your dedication, but I come to different conclusions.

[David__77]

12. NFZ isn't designed to protect rebels. It's designed to protext non-combatants.

It's clear in the language aimed at ceasefire, which applies to all belligerents.

[joshcryer]

17. Which doesn't preclude the protesters from marching on Tripoli, peacefully.

[David__77]

20. Unarmed? That would be a bold decision to take.

I was thinking about that. What would happen in that case, or were the Tripoli authorities to send unarmed pro-Gaddafi demonstrators to Benghazi as a provocation. Would violence necessarily result? I don't know...

[joshcryer]

22. Of course it would result. At which point the armed revolutionaries outside the city...

...would defend them. And the UN would strike mercilessly.

[meow mix]

2. i hope the world forces act swiftly

running out of time

[Duende azul]

18. They are not the world forces. They' leading western countries with their dictatorial

middle eastern buddies. Who btw. at this same time are coming down hard on their people.
With US backing.
How you can narrowly focus on Libya only, avoiding the broader picture is astonishing.

Btw: I don't question your good intentions. I simply can't agree to more bombing under false pretense.

[Turborama]

21. So far it's Lebanon (Parliamentary Democracy), the UAE (Constitutional monarchy) & Qatar (Monarchy)

And they're not "coming down hard on their people. With US backing."

[pinboy3niner]

8. K&R

:hi:

[JanDutchy]

10. A speech from Churchill to inspirate; although I don't like arms

For the unbroke spirit of Libyans who want freedom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utv9rCHlpkM&feature=related

[pinboy3niner]

13. I also don't like arms--I used them in combat, and I was wounded by them

More than 60 guys I knew died in Vietnam, including two of my roommates (one of them was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously).

I saw the carnage caused, up close and personal. And my own traumatic wounds hospitalized me for a year and a half and left me with physical deficits for the rest of my life.

When they say "War is hell," I know--too intimately--what that means.

Thanks for the link, Jan. :toast:

[JanDutchy]

14. I'm proud to be part of a rule of law.+ No one takes You and me off!!

A special sound and song for you my my unknown but Loved pinboy3niner,


Sorry, I didn`t listen earlier.

For you, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TUzaW0-K1k

[joshcryer]

16. Very inspiring coming from you JanDutchy, I know you are very much anti-arms.

I'm by no means a fan of Churchill but "never give in" was a good speech.

[SkyDaddy7]

9. Well, my guess would be they are on a suicide mission then...

If they attack that city. If they are attacking the civilians then who's to say the West does not try to decapitate the regime? The UN resolution said anything to protect the civilians!

[JanDutchy]

19. Because You are a part of it! That's the only reason we follow the responsibilities!

[SkyDaddy7]

25. Not sure I understood your comment. nt.