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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 04:28 AM
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2 workers exposed to high radiation at Fukushima plant hospitalized
Source: Kyodo News

Two of three workers who were laying cable at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant on Thursday were exposed to high-level radiation and were hospitalized due to injuries to their feet, the nuclear safety agency and the plant operator said.

The three male workers were exposed to radiation amounting to 173 to 180 millisievert at around 12:10 p.m. while laying cable underground at the No. 3 reactor's turbine building. The two workers of plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s affiliated firm had their feet under water while carrying out the work, according to the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

The two, who were diagnosed as having sustained beta ray burn injuries at a Fukushima hospital, will later be sent to the National Institute of Radiological Sciences in Chiba Prefecture, the agency said.


Read more: http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80757.html
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 09:14 AM
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1. Update: Make that three workers
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 09:21 AM
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2. Revised Kyodo News story...
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:12 AM
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3. Evacuation Ordered After 3 Nuclear Workers Burned by Radiation
Source: Bloomberg

Engineers at Japan’s damaged Dai- Ichi nuclear plant were evacuated from one reactor after three men suffered radiation burns, the second retreat from the location in as many days.

Tokyo Electric Power Co., operator of the plant located 220 kilometers (135 miles) north of Tokyo, had resumed efforts to restore electricity to the No. 3 reactor today. The area was cleared of technicians yesterday after black smoke was detected.

The injured workers were contaminated with up to 180 millisieverts of radiation, close to the recommended limit, after working in water 30 centimeters deep while laying a power cable. Two of the workers were hospitalized with beta radiation burns on their feet after water had seeped into their boots. Dangerous radiation levels, fires and explosions at four of the six reactors have hampered repair work since a magnitude-9 earthquake and tsunami on March 11 knocked out the electricity.

<snip>

Electricity is needed to help circulate cooling water and keep the nuclear fuel rods from overheating and end the world’s largest nuclear crisis in 25 years. Tokyo Electric will stop workers from conducting similar work that led to today’s accident, said Sakae Moto, a company vice president.

<snip>

Read more: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-24/evacuation-ordered-after-3-nuclear-workers-burned-by-radiation.html
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 04:35 PM
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6. Were these radiation suits or tennis shoes with duct tape around them?

Seeped into their boots? They are sending workers into a highly cancerous and radioactive hazardous waste site with leaky boots? They could have bought better stuff on ebay and had it delivered in the 10 days they had before this happened. Maybe even quicker from some local suppliers. Who is running this tour?

So TEPCO is holding onto some profit by not providing a properly equipped safety\fire department? They surely pay taxes so sufficient responders can be properly equipped and trained. Or are the fire stations just a gift from their grateful-to-have-a-job neighbors?

We equip fire stations at airports with multiple fast trucks that can spray enough foam to put out an airliner, and we do that for the 400 or so passengers on a 747. Yet before us is a set of nuclear reactors which provide a known threat in a disaster that is today affecting the health of millions of people to varying degrees. So the response is 20 trucks who site parked near the site, one of which tehy used because it has a boom that reaches high enough to put water in a spent fuel pool or through the roof of a multi-story building. For backup they call in relatively slow concrete pumpers to dribble more water. While on tv someone (a fireman) says during an interview "We weren't trained for this".

GE: Imagination at work. Indeed. How 'bout you imagine up proper safety clothing, training, and equipment for sufficent people who might
have to respond to plant emergencies, and insist it be in place before you sell them a plant?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:14 PM
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8. And Robots
Aren't the Japanese the world's leaders in robotics?
Where are the robots?
Why do workers have to die in there?????
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:36 PM
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28. I have never seen robots that could carry a 3 1/2 inch hose through a debris field.
Edited on Thu Mar-24-11 11:36 PM by jtuck004
Though it would be something to see, wouldn't it? Hey, there's an R&D project for a few garage-based robot builders here. Since it doesn't look like there is going to be government money invested in a jobs program (except for way overpaid crooked, thieving, bankers).

On the other hand they do have robots that could serve the workers coffee and beer, build part of a Mitsubishi, and if they they need one that has a saw blade or that arm that swings over and bashes another one with a sharpened bit, they probaly have that covered.

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:08 AM
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31. Fasten the Hose to the Robot's Arm with Duct Tape
If the hose is too heavy, use a bunch of robots.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 05:18 AM
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32. Have a top rigging slinger in cork boots in max -protection suit run a strawline
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 05:19 AM by PufPuf23
to pull the waterline(s) in place and place anchors.


Edit to add: There is no excuse to not have adequate non-sea water (wo/salt) to serve suppression efforts by now.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:34 PM
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26. US forces will be helping with water spraying according to Kyodo News
some little bit of good news there.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 12:27 PM
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4. Horrific
and heart breaking.


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SylviaD Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 02:52 PM
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5. Agreed.
Can amputation be far behind for these brave men?

Stop nuclear power NOW.
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 04:51 PM
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7. Nope. Stop fear.. Coal kills, wind kills, it all kills.
radiation is just extra scary..

http://xkcd.com/radiation/

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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:24 PM
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9. Wind kills?
what horseshit
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:28 PM
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10. Link. It all kills, coal, NG (remember the 8 people killed on the job)
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:37 PM
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11. It's horseshit - and pathetic
try again
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:28 PM
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13. I see no links in your post. its cat shit..
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 09:52 PM
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16. Nope - still horseshit - please post the circumstances of those wind power "fatalities"
guaranteed they are bogus

yup
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 09:55 PM
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17. Link included above. Industrial accident involving equipment, just like US nuclear power
Edited on Thu Mar-24-11 09:58 PM by BrookBrew
you dont think anyone in a civilian nuclear plant has been killed by radiation do you?

More deaths here.. Of course we should just ban wind turbines..

http://www.wind-works.org/articles/BreathLife.html

At least two of those killed in the USA, all in California, were killed during operations connected with moving wind turbines from one site to another. One of the deaths in Denmark was also related to removing a 55 kW wind turbine in Jutland that was to be replaced with a 500 kW machine.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 09:58 PM
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18. Yup - bogus - forklift death does not equal wind turbine death
and is not equivalent to deaths from radiation exposure

What horseshit

pathetic

yup
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:01 PM
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19. Corrected post, men killed on job at wind plants. Sorry for change, but they are still dead..
Edited on Thu Mar-24-11 10:02 PM by BrookBrew
At least two of those killed in the USA, all in California, were killed during operations connected with moving wind turbines from one site to another. One of the deaths in Denmark was also related to removing a 55 kW wind turbine in Jutland that was to be replaced with a 500 kW machine.

No matter how you get power to run a pc to post here people die to make that happen. More than radiation killed here in the last 40 years.

One half of the deaths have occurred on or around turbines of the size typically installed during the great California wind boom of the mid-1980s. Still, 7 have been killed working with larger turbines.

Tragically, at least 3 people have been killed working with small turbines. These deaths dramatically skew the mortality rate because small turbines account for a minuscule amount of worldwide wind generation.

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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 06:20 AM
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34. Still horseshit
yup
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:03 PM
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20. This is a hyperlink, not a word like horse shit, or "google" which could be used to actually
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 01:37 AM
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29. Have you even read the disclaimer at the bottom of the chart you keep posting?
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:55 PM
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12. Enough with the FUD campaign.....nt
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:30 PM
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14. Sorry I paid for an education. I should just forget that and be a lemming
sky is falling..

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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 01:45 AM
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30. Are you sorry because it was a bad education? I agree, you should just forget that.
Maybe you should use your talents to manipulate some penny stocks on Yahoo message boards. You might have more success there.

:hi:
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:17 PM
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21. But nukes are always safe, LOL
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:21 PM
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22. Nothing is always safe, bacon kills
but it is very tasty.

Hey look, a link with real data..

http://www.wind-works.org/articles/BreathLife.html
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:27 PM
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23. I already did. Thank god for Ignore.
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:29 PM
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24. Did what, read that link or dismiss a non conforming idea?(nt)
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BrookBrew Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:30 PM
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25. god duplicated my post(nt)
Edited on Thu Mar-24-11 10:30 PM by BrookBrew
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:27 PM
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15. kr
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:36 PM
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27. Recommend
:kick:
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 05:34 AM
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33. The sooner this incident is contained the better.
I have no faith in humanity, if anyone disagrees.

The "incident" is bad, far from over, and is not even the worst potential incident for operating nuke plants.

The aging nuke plants are bomb or missile targets and have immediate and long long term effects on ecology and humans in affected areas.

The danger especially with no good solution for waste is of low individual probabilty but almost certain global probability. The reactors with enriched uranium and recycled plutonium fuel are not close to near an acceptable risk given a probabilty rate and pathology and half llife of plutonium.

My mind is preparing for a dead zone from Senia to Tokyo before this ends. The daily earthquakes are major and frequent.
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