Science: Artifacts in Texas Predate Clovis Culture by 2500 Years

[L. Coyote]

Source: American Association for the Advancement of Science. Brandon Bryn 24 March 2011

Researchers in Texas have discovered thousands of human artifacts in a layer of earth that lies directly beneath an assemblage of Clovis relics, expanding evidence that other cultures preceded the Clovis culture in North America. This pre-Clovis toolkit appears to be between 13,200 and 15,500 years old and it includes biface and blade technology that may have later been adapted—and improved upon—by the Clovis culture.

The Clovis people, whose tools were known for their distinctive “fluted” points, were once thought to be the original settlers of North America about 13,000 years ago. Over the past few years, however, scattered evidence has hinted at several earlier cultures. But such evidence has often been disputed in part because so few artifacts have actually been recovered.

The new site in Texas, known as the Debra L. Friedkin site, documents a pre-Clovis settlement in the region and informs researchers about the transition to Clovis culture and technology, which is later seen across North and Central America (and also into northern South America). These new artifacts comprise what researchers are calling the Buttermilk Creek Complex, and details of its excavation are reported in the 25 March issue of Science.

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Read more: http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2011/0324sp_clovis.shtml

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The Clovis Wall is down and out for sure now, and doubts about Meadowcroft and Monte Verde ought to be old history too.



THE PALEOAMERICANS:

Issues and Evidence Relating to
the Peopling of the New World
http://jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleoamericans.html

[Deep13]

1. Cool! nt

[Doctor_J]

2. 8,000 years before Adam shtupped Eve

This is going to piss off the Texas school board.

[Snoutport]

20. lol

good post

[Poll_Blind]

3. 15,000 years ago! Oh, to know the stories they told each other at night.

Oh to have seen the skies they saw and the Earth in its loamy prime, when its seas still held fish and monsters.

(sigh)

PB

[jpak]

8. That's the way I feel when I see artifacts in a museum

To spend a day with them...in their time

yup

[Ikonoklast]

4. At the end of my street, near the top of a ridge line that was one

of the shorelines of a retreating prehistoric Lake Erie is evidence of a settlement that is thought to be 15,000 years old.

Twenty miles from here is another such settlement.

Both pre-date Clovis.

[Judi Lynn]

7. Thanks for posting it. Had no idea. n/t

[aquart]

14. And how long have these sites been known?

God, those Clovis people are stubborn.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. Yes, there are several pre-Clovis sites, one (I wish I could remember

where) estimated at being 16,500 years old - but it is so far outside the accepted dates that it has been either dismissed as site contamination and not really that old, or simply ignored.

Dating in some South American sites by crypto-archeologists have been as much as 20,000 years old, but those get lumped in with 'ancient alien' theories.

[aquart]

22. When I was in school, science refused to admit that ancients had boats.

The only way to get to America was walking the land bridge. But raven/Trickster/Loki myths inhabit the entire polar circle. Nobody walked to Scandinavia from Canada or vice versa.

A lot happened here we don't begin to know about.

[formercia]

29. The reason they are no longer here

The banksters of the time foreclosed on them and sold the land to a bunch of speculators from Siberia.

[RaleighNCDUer]

36. "Lissen! You come up with three sabertooth pelts by six o clock

or you're OUTA here!"

[SkyDaddy7]

5. AWESOME!! nt.

[Judi Lynn]

6. Wonderful news. So much needed information buried right in that area.

Thanks for this article. Can't wait for more.

Rec.

[alp227]

9. Humans arrived in North America 2,500 years earlier than thought

Source: The Guardian

Humans first arrived in North America more than 2,500 years earlier than previously thought, according to an analysis of ancient stone tools found in Texas. And the people who left them appear to have developed a portable toolkit for killing and preparing meat.

Researchers found a haul of thousands of artefacts near the state capital, Austin, some of which were identified as blades and other tools. The material was buried in sediments that are between 13,200 and 15,500 years old.

Until now, the oldest evidence for human occupation in North America has come from the Clovis site in New Mexico. Scientists think that these people came to North America around 13,000 years ago by crossing the Bering Land Bridge from northeastern Asia. From there, they are thought to have spread across the northern and southern American continents.

There are problems with this story, however. Clovis-like tools, known for their distinctive fluted points, have never been found in northeastern Asia. And stone tools found in Alaska are too young (and too different) to be associated with Clovis.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/mar/24/humans-north-america-stone-tools

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Texas? The state that messes around with education all the time and tries to put in creationism and right-wing fantasy?

[derby378]

10. Yeah, that's right - TEXAS

And we've still got a few Democrats down here who are hard and determined to stop this anti-science foolishness in 2012. :hi:

[angel823]

25. right

effin on.

that is all.

[L. Coyote]

11. DUPE plus title is blatantly FALSE info

The original source release posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4785815

We have Paisley Cave in Oregon with older human feces and DNA, which the Guardian should know about, FCS!!

[Plucketeer]

15. Well.....

"Texas? The state that messes around with education all the time and tries to put in creationism and right-wing fantasy?"

Heh - why do you think those pre-historic folks aren't still living there? 6000 years ago, the Texas state board of education decreed them personas non grata.

[murphyj87]

33. And Columbus didn't discover North America

North America (probably Newfoundland) was discovered by Leif Ericson, a Norseman, in approximately 1000 A.D.

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. And St Brendan voyaged to 'The Blessed Isle' some five hundred

years before that (unless that was just a re-writing of an even earlier story, the Voyage of Bran).

[antigone382]

42. Technically, it was discovered by Native Americans.

(at the point of their actually becoming "native," of course) But I do get your point.

[Auntie Bush]

12. But, but, but, how can that be true? Man is only 6000 years old accoring to creationists.

[WheelWalker]

13. Quantum Entanglement nt

[Iliyah]

23. LOL

Don't you know what they discovered were used and manufactured by intelligent apes.

[LibertyLover]

16. That human habitation of the Americas predated Clovis is

well-known, but it's nice that finds like this keep pounding that information home. Thank you for posting it!

[Kennah]

17. So then, husbands have been wrong for another 2,500 years

Interesting

[RandySF]

19. This must be time from which Rick Perry got his philosophy.

[AnneD]

28. Snort...

gawfah.

[Doctor_J]

31. It would be, except Rick believes the Earth was created 6000 yrs ago

This news might - just might - make his head explode. Or at least his hair.

[blackspade]

21. The pre-Clovis wall has been down for the last 15 years or so.

Most of the archaeological community moved on from the 'controversy' a long time ago.
Kind of like how most scientists accept climate change as fact.

[BobbyBoring]

24. Clovis Piven

was the previous culture. They brought down the government by overloading it. Only the Clovis survived~

[blackbart99]

26. Our human history goes further back....

than anyone has imagined yet. I believe there were civilizations that the early babylonians would have considered ancient. 25,000-40,000 years ago. If we keep digging we find them. Atlantis where are you?
:hippie:

Good post...thanx!

[L. Coyote]

32. The big mystery today is Gobekli Tepe. VIDEOS here:

Stone circular buildings 7,000 years before Stonehenge

The Ur and Harran Latitudes, and Göbekli Tepe
http://www.jqjacobs.net/blog/gobekli_tepe.html

[AnneD]

27. Damed illegal aliens......

ICE needs to ship those bones back where the came from.

OK do I really need the sarcasm icon here?

[AnnieBW]

30. But according to most Texans, the Earth is only 6000 years old

They learnt that in skool. Da Buybul tellz 'em so.

[DBoon]

34. Did they find traces of Lone Star beer in the findings?

These are after all the first Texans

[AnneD]

44. They uncovered an entire....

pick up truck bed and skeletal remains surrounded by metal cylinders. They figure this was some kind of burial ritual.

[StarsInHerHair]

35. Athena Review has been saying this, I think an "ice bridge" existed btwn

South America via Antarctica not just the Alaska bridge. Findings in Peru that are older have been confusing scientists for a few years.

[L. Coyote]

38. But, Antarctica would be a frigid dead end leading nowhere.

Tho old artifacts, pre-Clovis, in South America are found at Monte Verde, Chile, near Puerto Montt and only about 41.5 degrees south. That's about the latitude of Mount Shasta in Northern California and near the ocean, not exactly a Siberian climate.

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. Suggesting a move across Australia (inhabited 40,000 years ago)

to Antarctica to S America? That could help explain tentative datings in S America at 20,000 years old. And, of course, as boats were necessary for the settling of Australia, they could have followed coast lines and then ice shelves across. Still, that's a hell of a distance from Australia to Antarctica, even if hopping over to N Zealand to the Auklands and S from there. But who knows - the ice sheets could have been hundreds of miles farther out, and sea level much lower, exposing more intermediate islands on the way.

[StarsInHerHair]

41. yeah, that's slowly dawning on scientists, how else to explain older dating of

sites in South America? They typically are using uranium dating, which can tell when the last time an object had been in sunlight; so for cave artifacts, that are dating older than Clovis.....they've tried to ignore it but I don't think they'll do that much longer.

[14thColony]

43. Increasing evidence of maritime cultures far back in time

The assumption that everyone had to walk to where they were found appears to be more a limitation of our own minds than anything real. Aboriginal Australians were in Australia over 40,000 years ago and Homo Florensis was on Flores Island probably well prior to that. Flores and the presence of Homo Erectus on Crete 130,000 years ago both strongly indicate boats aren't even a Homo Sapien invention. So if we find coastal sites in South America older than sites in North America, Occam's Razor would strongly favor the explanation that the people there came by sea.

[Rex]

40. Bullshit, everyone knows the Earth is 6,000 years old.

I read it in a book, once. :sarcasm: