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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:24 PM
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Colombia planned leaks to link Chavez, Correa to FARC: WikiLeaks
Source: Colombia Reports

Colombia planned leaks to link Chavez, Correa to FARC: WikiLeaks
Thursday, 24 March 2011 07:03
Adriaan Alsema

The Uribe administration in 2008 carefully planned the leaking of information from computers of killed FARC commander Raul Reyes to link Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa to the rebel group, diplomatic cables released Wednesday by WikiLeaks.

In a cable from March 27, 2008 -- little over three weeks after the computers were found -- then-U.S. ambassador to Bogota William Brownsfield informed Washington that the Colombian government would "selectively leak information from FARC computers connecting Presidents Chavez and Correa and their Governments to the FARC over the next 4-6 weeks."

~snip~
Interpol eventually reported that the computers had not been tampered after March 4 when the evidence entered a chain of custody. The International police organization did not guarantee the content could not have been tampered in the period between the March 1 bombing and the time the computers entered the chain of custody.

~snip~
The erroneous handling of the computers made Colombian courts reject the laptops as evidence in cases against politicians and human rights workers who were accused of having ties to the FARC.

Read more: http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/15108-colombia-carefully-planned-using-farc-computers-to-link-chavez-and-correa-to-rebels-wikileaks.html
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:25 PM
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1. We Knew this....
CONFIRMED
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:49 PM
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2. We sure did, but a lot of people have fought it as if we were trying to drown them!
Love the last line:
The Colombian government never released the full content of the laptops to the public.
That's just not going to happen!

~ Click for photo ~

http://www.reuters.com.nyud.net:8090/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080515&t=2&i=4415190&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=2008-05-15T222438Z_01_N15313068_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:07 PM
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3. Another reason for Manning to be released immediatly.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:16 PM
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4. But all those silly stories about Chavez and Correa are gospel.
Aren't they?

Oh, and Hugo Chavez smoked in my car. :)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:42 PM
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5. He's a sloppy drunk! n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:48 PM
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6. I want to gloat for just half a minute.
As soon as I read the first story about the Magic Laptop, I offered my translation services to Greg Palast and translated his article for him. I don't remember now if it went through more hands, but here it is:

$300 MILLION FROM CHAVEZ
TO FARC A FAKE

Friday, May 16, 2008
for TomPaine.com/Ourfuture.org
By Greg Palast

Originally published 6 March
EN ESPANOL

Do you believe this?

In early March Colombia invaded Ecuador, killed a guerrilla chief in the jungle, opened his laptop – and what did the Colombians find? A message to Hugo Chavez that he sent the FARC guerrillas $300 million – which they’re using to obtain uranium to make a dirty bomb!

That’s what George Bush tells us. And he got that from his buddy, the strange right-wing President of Colombia, Alvaro Uribe.

So: After the fact, Colombia justifies its attempt to provoke a border war as a way to stop the threat of WMDs! Uh, where have we heard that before?

The US press snorted up this line about Chavez’ $300 million to “terrorists” quicker than the young Bush inhaling Colombia’s powdered export.

What the US press did not do is look at the evidence, the email in the magic laptop. (Presumably, the FARC leader’s last words were, “Listen, my password is ….”)

I read them. (You can read them here) While you can read it all in español, here is, in translation, the one and only mention of the alleged $300 million from Chavez:

http://www.gregpalast.com/300-million-from-chavez-to-farc-a-fake/

(Okay, thanks, that felt good. LOL)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:56 PM
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7. This is a keeper. Good grief! Returning to re-read this a little later. Had no idea
you had done the translation.

Way to go. Very cool. You SHOULD gloat, by all means!

Thank you for that link. Gotta read it again. It's great.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:57 PM
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8. I just emailed him to say I want to re-up.
He was on it immediately.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:36 PM
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35. Great! He could use your talent, and experience.
You had a tremendous idea there, and his work is superior, always engaging, energetic, and needed.

Think what our own media could be with more highly motivated, principled people working at the same time! We're not overflowing with people that courageous.

Thanks for the info! Wonderful news.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 08:22 AM
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18. THANK YOU, EFERRARI, FOR DOING THAT!
That was a REALLY important column. Palast's sharp focus on the actual content of the "miracle laptop" was a key clue to the whole treacherous story of Uribe's request of Chavez. They were setting Chavez up. They just wanted his name in there somewhere, so they could invent this total crapola about codes.

Thanks so much for helping get that column written! Great work!

:applause:
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:25 PM
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9. The evil doers are alive and well and still in DC, trying to undermine the
South American leaders who want to help their poor. I put the current administration squarely in the bracket.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:43 PM
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10. Well well well.
Seems their are a few people that need to place an order for a little black bird. I wouldn't even bring it up but the ferocity with which they screamed that HC was guilty doesn't allow me to let it slide.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:45 PM
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11. It's like predicting the sunrise.
Isn't it?

lol
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:06 AM
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:38 PM
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36. I remember those days. They shrieked themselves hoarse!
Apparently some are still trying to travel on mere fumes, but that's gonna go, as well!
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 09:29 PM
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12. I told you so
The DU Uribistas had their squads working 24/7 to make sure everything looked real
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 09:41 PM
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13. So the information on the computers was indeed legitimate?
Interesting. There are no Wikileaks cables from the US ambassador stating that Colombia was fabricating information to leak. The cables just say Colombia was going to selectively leak data. Many here claimed that the information on the laptops was likely fake, but there is no mention of anything of the sort.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 09:44 PM
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14. I missed the part in the article that claims the leaked information was false
Oh wait, it doesn't claim that at all, does it?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 01:07 AM
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15. Meet the new talking points, everybody!
It was selective but still true.

Like, for example, the O'Keefe videos of ACORN and NPR employees...
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 09:35 AM
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19. Two separate issues
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 09:35 AM by hack89
if your enemy hands you a weapon, of course you need to think how you plan to use it. Doesn't mean that the information is false or contradictory - merely that they chose to release the information in the manner that would inflict the most damage.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:05 AM
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22. Clearly the biggest problem is with Colombians who would define Chavez as an enemy...
rather than the empire and its enablers there, those who impose the insane US drug war despite its disastrous consequences, a military that supports and organizes death squads, those who choose exterminationist conflict over a settlement and peaceful development.

It's grotesque to call Chavez an enemy when the USG applies pressure on the country to continue destroying itself through the most irrational, pointless policy ever devised.

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:43 AM
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25. Arturo Cubillas is proof enough that Chavez supports FARC
How you you justify Chavez not only giving sanctuary to a ETA leader but giving him citizenship and a government security job? The same Spanish court that everyone counts on to try Bush for war crimes says that Cubillas provided bomb making training to FARC in Venezuela.

Chavez has no credibility on the issue until he comes clean on Cubillas and turns him over to Spain. You do support Universal Jurisdiction don't you?
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 05:38 AM
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16. "Magic Laptops"
I miss the insight and wry humor of BoRev.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:12 AM
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28. Me, too.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 08:10 AM
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17. For those confused by the couple of RW comments above, defending the contents of
...the "miracle laptop" as "legitimate," I want to cite some important points in Greg Palast's analysis of Uribe/Colombia's "selective" release of info from the laptop:

-----

The US press snorted up this line about Chavez’ $300 million to “terrorists” quicker than the young Bush inhaling Colombia’s powdered export.

What the US press did not do is look at the evidence, the email in the magic laptop....

...here is, in translation, the one and only mention of the alleged $300 million from Chavez:

… With relation to the 300, which from now on we will call "dossier," efforts are now going forward at the instructions of the boss to the cojo (slang term for ‘cripple’), which I will explain in a separate note. Let's call the boss Ángel, and the cripple Ernesto.

Got that? Where is Hugo? Where’s 300 million? And 300 what? Indeed, in context, the note is all about the hostage exchange with the FARC that Chavez was working on at the time (December 23, 2007) at the request of the Colombian government.

Indeed, the entire remainder of the email is all about the mechanism of the hostage exchange. Here’s the next line:

To receive the three freed ones, Chavez proposes three options: Plan A. Do it to via of a ‘humanitarian caravan’; one that will involve Venezuela, France, the Vatican(?), Switzerland, European Union, democrats (civil society), Argentina, Red Cross, etc.

As to the 300, I must note that the FARC’s previous prisoner exchange involved 300 prisoners. Is that what the ‘300’ refers to? ¿Quien sabe? Unlike Uribe, Bush and the US press, I won’t guess or make up a phastasmogoric story about Chavez mailing checks to the jungle.

To bolster their case, the Colombians claim, with no evidence whatsoever, that the mysterious “Angel” is the code name for Chavez. But in the memo, Chavez goes by the code name … Chavez.


(MORE)
http://www.gregpalast.com/300-million-from-chavez-to-farc-a-fake/

-------------------------------

Liars and propagandists like Alvaro Uribe and his pal Bush Jr. count on the general public's ignorance of facts and details, and on the incompetence or maliciousness of the corpo-fascist press in helping to keep the public ignorant, when they create false narratives like this--that Chavez was "funding terrorists." Palast debunks key points like the spurious use of the number "300" to invent money (from Chavez to the FARC). He also makes the very important point that Uribe/Colombia had publicly ASKED Chavez to negotiate with the FARC for hostage releases. In other words, Uribe/Colombia SET Chavez UP. Of course he's going to show up in a FARC laptop as he makes contact with them in response to the Colombian government request!

This was a very treacherous business and I have my reasons for believing that it was designed by none other than Donald Rumsfeld himself.*

Understanding that this was a SET-UP is important to understanding these cables, in which the Bush Junta's tool in Colombia, US Amb Wm Brownfield, describes the issue so neutrally. I often warn people not to take the cables at face value but to understand that there are various agendas at work here--for instance, the writer of the cable may be covering his own ass about something, or covering the CIA's ass. The more you know about the context, about the cable writer and about the people and events mentioned in the cables, the easier it is to spot lies, spin, cover stories, etc. Also, these are low security cables. This is very important to know because the cable may be meant to be leaked, and/or it may be specifically intended to be useful in future legal proceedings (--the sort of thing that a judge might be asked to look at "in chambers" for "national security reasons"--it never goes public, never gets scrutinized, but is usable as mute "witness" to whatever the writer or the government wants witnessed).

I think these are multiple-agenda cables but are primarily legal ass-covering. Uribe was spying on everybody--judges, prosecutors, opposition politicians, union leaders (probably for death squad hit lists), human rights groups, embassies, the Red Cross, etc. And he was likely spying on the governments of Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina, Spain, Switzerland, France, possibly Brazil and others--anyone involved in the hostage release efforts and the peace effort to end Colombia's 70 year (!) civil war--and the U.S./Bush Junta was no doubt helping Uribe to do all this spying. And it is a very short leap from illegal spying to "dirty tricks" and worse. The Bush Junta was very likely also helping Uribe with "dirty tricks" and worse.

This was very illegal spying--and Colombian prosecutors were investigating Uribe for possible prosecution for spying. Uribe and Brownfield had removed many death squad/drug traffic witnesses who might have nailed Uribe (or gotten too close to the Bush Cartel)--they were extradited to the U.S. and buried in the U.S. federal prison system--so the prosecutors were going after the spying, when, recently, the chief spying witness against Uribe was spirited out of Colombia and given instant asylum in the U.S. client state of Panama. (My guess is that CIA Director Panetta--a Daddy Bush pal--is covering Junior's trail, and the Bush Junta's trail in so far as Bush Cartel "made men" might be brought to justice--and arranged this asylum, which crippled the Colombian prosecutors' investigation of Uribe.)

Uribe is the criminal. He's tied to death squads, drug trafficking, bribery, ponzi schemes and other corruption, election fraud and illegal spying. He was basically running the Colombian government as a criminal enterprise. His main job for the Bush Junta was probably consolidating the trillion-plus dollar cocaine revenue stream into fewer hands, with the farcical U.S. "war on drugs" as the cover. ("Farcical" except for the many deaths that it has caused.) So it's pretty hilarious that this rancid character was making accusations against Chavez/Venezuela and Correa/Ecuador, whose hands couldn't be cleaner, by comparison, and who have harmed no one. But Uribe was running a script. And, as Brownfield composes this neutral-sounding, low security report on what Alvaro Uribe was doing to slander Hugo Chavez, he was likely, point by point, covering his own ass and many others.

CABLE QUOTE: "The GOC would carefully review all material before release to filter material that could be damaging to the GOC. Then-Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos promised to give the U.S. the full set of information coming from the computers "on the condition that the USG not release any information publicly or for attribution without prior consultation with the GOC." (--from the OP) (my emphasis)

This, of course, "establishes" the impression (i.e., for legal or political purposes) that the U.S. didn't already have a "full set of information"--which it certainly did have, if my surmise is correct, that Rumsfeld's "Office of Special Plans"* designed the whole plot (or some other spook outfit within, or 'contracted' to, the U.S. government). Brownfield was/is an "insider" (as they say) and would have been fully privy to the bullcrap that Uribe was putting out. I think he's really telling a story here, to distance himself and others from the "miracle laptop" (should it go bad--which it did), complete with his giving it a faintly sleazy odor-- "selective leaking"--as if he were picking up a dead mouse and putting it outside.

One last thing: When Interpol examined the "miracle laptop" and said that it could not be used as evidence in a court of law, because of the broken chain of custody, they deliberately did NOT employ ANY Spanish translators, because they did NOT want to address the CONTENTS of the laptop. Those contents--the leaked bits--have since been thoroughly debunked--and the Colombian government didn't dare provide Rafael Correa with the full content, when he requested it. (They gave him an unreadable, corrupted disk--and that's the last I heard of the matter.) So you see how useful Brownfield's mannered description of this business is, now that the truth is out there. Brownfield didn't make it to Asst Sec of State for the Western Hemisphere for no reason. He's a clever ass-coverer. (And this isn't the first evidence of it.)

I think they were watching Raul Reyes and the 24 sleeping people in his camp--and the last hopes for peace--die, in a live feed to the "war room" in the U.S. embassy in Bogota, as the U.S. "smart bombs" found their target. A truly ugly and terrible business, these cables were covering up.

------

*(Rumsfeld published an op-ed in the Washington Post on the morning of the first scheduled, Chavez-negotiated hostage release (12/1/07), stating that Chavez's help with hostage releases "is not welcome in Colombia." Uribe had rescinded his request for Chavez's aid only a couple of days before. Rumsfeld's title is "The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants like Chavez." Among the oddities about this op-ed is the fact that Rumsfeld was no longer an official in the Bush Junta. He'd resigned as Def Secretary a full year before. What was his interest in these hostage negotiations "south of the border"? I think the whole treacherous plan was his idea. It smells of Rumsfeld. And, although the military brass and Daddy Bush had given him the "thumbs down" (over Iran) a full year before these events in Colombia, he had a proprietary interest in how well the "miracle laptop" was going to play. First, they were going to hand Chavez a diplomatic disaster, with dead hostages (the Colombian military's firing on the first hostages as they were released). Then, they were really going to shaft him with the doctored laptop "discovered" in Reyes' camp (which they'd blown to smithereens with 500 lb U.S. "smart bombs").)
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:45 AM
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26. So Chavez harboring international terrorist should not be a concern?
what are your feelings on Arturo Cubillas?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:55 AM
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27. Of course he's being "harbored", he's a Venezuelan national
and under their constitution and their agreements with Spain, he can't be extradited.

And there seems to be some question as to whether the testimony against him was coerced in part or not.



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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:57 AM
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29. He wasn't in 2001 when he arrived after the post 911 Spanish crack down of ETA
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 12:01 PM by hack89
why did Chavez grant sanctuary, citizenship and a government security job to a member of ETA?


So you reject the concept on Universal Jurisdiction? I thought it was a major tool to bring war criminals to justice. It would be ironic if by fighting this, Hugo gives top cover to Bush and Chaney.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:59 PM
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34. I don't know the details of this case. In the past, Spain has been caught
mistreating and even torturing suspected members of ETA. Whether that has anything to do with it or not, I don't know.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:18 PM
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30. Here is the latest Spanish Venezuelan extradition treaty I can find.
nothing here protects Arturo Cubillas from extradition - it specifically says that prosecution for terrorism cannot be considered a political act.

http://untreaty.un.org/unts/60001_120000/29/4/00056170.pdf

Doe you have something more recent?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:50 PM
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32. Here's an article in El Universal from October, I believe.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 09:40 AM
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20. To bad that a Spanish court thinks Chavez supports FARC
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 09:40 AM by hack89
Arturo Cubillas is an albatross around his neck that wrecks most of Hugo's credibility on the matter.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:42 AM
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24. Spain rushed to recognize the Carmona 2002 government in Venezuela
as did BushCo, only to have to backtrack and denounce it later. Their hands aren't clean, nor are their courts free of US influence, as Wikileaks showed in the matter of the investigation of American torture as well as the killing of a Spanish journalist in the Palestine Hotel.

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:22 PM
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31. The irony of Hugo giving top cover to Bush and Chaney is delicious
I thought Universal Jurisdiction was the means to bring international war criminals to justice? I am sure that Bush and Cheney would love for Hugo to make all their arguments for them.

Hugo is worried that he will be in a cell next to Bush and Cheney - that's why Arturo Cubillas will never leave the country. He has too much to tell.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:52 PM
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33. The Venezuelan government is required both
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 01:08 PM by EFerrari
to protect the rights of its citizens AND to investigate the Spanish claim.
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